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Judging The Apple 'Sweatshop' Charge

jurgen writes "MacWorld summarizes an article published in the U.K., stating that Apple's iPods are made in China by women who work 15 hours/day, make $50/month, and have to pay half of that right back to the company for housing and food. The article also claims the workers live in dormitories where they are housed 100 per room, and are not allowed visitors." A Wired article looks at the same story, exploring the reliability of the Mail on Sunday's claims. From that article: "The situation is too murky for a rush to judgment on Apple's ethics here, and it may well meet minimum global standards. But for a company that has staked its image on progressive politics, Apple has set itself up as a potential lightning rod on global labor standards. Sweatshops came back to bite Nike after its customers rose up in arms; and Apple can expect a similar grilling from its upscale Volvo-driving fans in the months ahead."

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  1. Re:It's Foxconn, Not Apple by eln · · Score: 3, Informative

    I agree that Apple should have the opportunity to investigate and cancel their contracts if necessary before we crucify them. However, it should have investigated this company more thoroughly for human rights issues before it awarded the contract in the first place. For failing to do this, Apple indeed deserves some heat if these allegations are true.

    Now that the allegations are out, Apple reputation as a "progressive" company relies on what they do next. If they ignore the allegations until they get too big, like Nike did, then their reputation will take a big hit. If they act immediately to investigate and take appropriate action, I think all will be forgiven and forgotten fairly quickly.

  2. read the articles before you post by geddes · · Score: 5, Informative

    You asked:

    "How, precisely and specifically, has Apple "staked its image" on "progressive politics"?"
    From the Wired article:
    Steve Jobs' Think Different campaign celebrated labor leaders like Gandhi, who used strikes as a form of civil protest, and Ceasar Chavez, who organized poor, migrant farm workers.
  3. Re:Sweatshops are GOOD by J.R.+Random · · Score: 3, Informative
    Sweatshops are GOOD. Of course it doesn't seem that way seen from our first-world perspective, but is better than hunger. It's usually the only way out from extreme poverty. We had an industrial revolution where childen worked in similar circumstances. It's not something to be proud of, the feelings are all against it, but you cannot jump from having nothing to having everyting.

    Ah yes, the excuse of greedheads everywhere. Yes, we had factories with child labor. Do you know why we don't anymore? Was it because of the glories of the free market? No, it was because legislators, under pressure by those commie do gooders, made it illegal. So factory owners were forced to hire adults, and because they couldn't get adults at the same low wages they hired children, they had to raise wages. The result -- the kids could go to school, and everyone had more to eat.

    China has the ultimate labor surplus. So long as workers can't organize (as is usually the case in Communist countries) and people in industrial countries keep making excuses the life of the average Chinese factory worker will be hell. And by keeping his wages low, you ensure even more outsourcing and a continuing transfer of wealth from working people everywhere to a small global elite.

  4. Comments from my Chinese co-worker by CokoBWare · · Score: 5, Informative

    I asked my Chinese co-worker who lived in Beijing all of her life, and she said that $50US/month (400 yuan) is very little money. She said that welfare (social assistance for the politically correct) in china pays roughly around 400 yuan/month. She said it's also possible that the workers come from rural areas, where farming pays very little. The women may earn more money in this situation than by working on their farm.

    However, she said absolutely she thought the numbers would indicate that this was a sweatshop, and the term she was more inclined to use was "slave labour".

  5. Normal for that area by DrRobert · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have spent a lot of time near the area where the ipods are manufactured. It is a huge city that is almost entirely industrial park as far as the eye can see. It is a repeating pattern of factory, dorm, factory, dorm, on and on. The workers seem to make about a dollar a day and from the plant owners I talked to there is a labor shortage and they have to bid against other factories to get the better workers, the result of that bidding is about a dollar a day right now. That is why companies are starting to leave China and farm out work to other countries with cheaper labor. On they whole though, although the people live in dorms, they seemed to have a reasonable amount of buying power. At the plants I saw, it was not required that they lived in the dorms, but it was the cheapest way for them to live. All the consumer goods in China cost absolutely nothing so I would assume the people could buy a reasonable amount on a dollar a day. It sounds like the ipod plants are normal market-competative employers for the area.

  6. Re:A few random thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hear, hear!

    I spent Aug 1973 to Aug 1974 in Thailand while in the USAF. A taxi driver there only earned $1000 per year. Shocking?

    No. Said taxi driver only had to spend thirty bucks per month for rent, nothing for water or electricity or natural gas (because there wasn't any; water came from the sky and was stored in a rooftop cictern).

    While in Thailand (no longer 3rd world, I hear) I could feed myself and three girlfriends in a nice restaraunt for a DOLLAR. This included 4 Pepsis!

    You could rent a fishing boat for 18 hours, including driver, for ten bucks.

    You could have lived like a king there for $5k/yr.

  7. Re:A few random thoughts by kotj.mf · · Score: 5, Informative
    Does the article state what conditions are like there? Do they even try?

    Yes. Did you?

    FTFA:

    According to the report (paraphrased here by Macworld UK), Foxconn's giant Longhua plant employs 200,000 workers, who work 15-hour days but are paid just $50 a month -- MISERABLE BY EVEN CHINA'S STANDARDS. It claims they work and live in the plant, in dormitories housing 100 people, and outside visitors are forbidden.

    The Longhua plant is in Shenzhen, where the median annual household income is about 24000 RMB, or about $3000 US, or $250/month. So they're getting paid 1/5 of the median household income for the area, before their employer takes half of it for living expenses. Not to mention they're working 15 hour days, probably 6 days/week - or 4500 hours/year. In absolute terms, they're getting paid about $0.13 an hour.

    The median annual household income for the US is about $50k. 20% of that is 10k, or $800/month. ($10k/year)/(4500 hours) = $2.22.

    So, in relative terms, the people who made your ipod are getting paid the equivalent of $2.22 an hour, before the employer takes half for room and board.

    In concluseion: you're wrong. Apple sucks.

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    hang brain.
  8. Re:A few random thoughts by t-twisted · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Longhua plant is in Shenzhen, where the median annual household income is about 24000 RMB, or about $3000 US, or $250/month.

    Care to link your source? Or shall I do it for you? A median income of $80US / mo is a lot less than your stated $250.

    In a somewhat related vein, I work with a lot of Indians who have moved to the US within the past 10 years to earn money to either send home now or save to retire back to India later. Many of them have told me that $12-$15K a year is a king's ransom in India, they could retire very easily on little money. When I asked why a business could not open a factory or office there and pay these "low" wages and provide good benefits, the response is always that the local governments and/or businesses would find a way to shut them down to prevent unrest from other workers who would want the same benefits. Every argument I put forward to counter this was shot down, explained with "it's a systemic problem".

    While sympathetic to what is going on in China's manufacturing plants now, I know it's not a new or easily solvable problem. I don't see US citizens demanding products made solely in the US under US bylaws and protections, and am further unmoved by peoples' outcry (what was that you said? "Apple sucks"?) when they go half-cocked on a summary of an unread report of US labor law violations in a foreign country.

  9. Doesn't hold up... by jordandeamattson · · Score: 3, Informative

    All -

    Based on what I know about labor costs in China at present, these charges don't hold up.

    For background, factory workers (usually young women), are not so surprisingly in short supply and high demand in the manufacturing areas of the PRC these day.

    Given this situation, they are demanding better wages and working conditions. The wages and working conditions are no where near what I have seen in the last 10 years of working with China and bear no resemblance to what is the market now.

    1. Wages
    Wages for factory workers are actually above those of recent college graduates (there is a glut of college graduates). A good college grad can expect to make 1500 to 2000 RMB (about USD 180 to 250) starting out. A factory work will make 1800 to 2400 RMB.

    2. Room & Board Chargs
    As part of the job package in China, a factory work receives housing and food. They aren't charged for these.

    3. Housing Conditions
    By and large they are college like and are above the average for Chinese housing for young adults who are living at home.

    Based on my first hand knowledge of China, I have to heavily discount the claims in this article and question the rest of it.

    Yours,

    Jordan