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How iTunes Hurts Weird Al

Johnny X writes "Weird Al Yankovic recently said he makes far less money when you buy from iTunes than when you buy an actual CD. This guy did the math and showed that Weird Al could be losing up to 85% of his record sales income due to the 'weird' ways the record companies compute digital sales. Are all artists getting the shaft like this?"

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  1. Still getting the raw end of the deal? by spune · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is the RIAA still in charge?

    1. Re:Still getting the raw end of the deal? by Total_Wimp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Forget the RIAA, Weird Al's record label is definately the entity in charge.

      I know you all hate the labels, but it doesn't make sense to assume they're stupid. They may be greedy, exploitive and unfriendly to their own customers, but "stupid" would not be a word I would use to describe them.

      Weird Al said that he didn't really "get" the part of his contract that gave him far less money for digital downloads. He signed it anyway. That tells me pretty clearly that what Al didn't really "get" was the business of digital downloads in general. If he had, he woul have realized that paid downloads are increasing at roughly the rate of iPod sales and those iPod sales are through the roof. If he "got" digital downloads, he would have realized that 5 years from now digital could easily be a bigger business than CD.

      The thing is, his recording label did get it. They got it so well that they presented him a deal that looks pretty good now, while CD sales are still king, but will totaly bite ass in the near future when downloads are more common than CD sales. Yes, they're little better than the slickest of con men who will tell you exactly how they will get your money in the same breath that they con you out of it, but stupid? Hell no. They're in charge.

      TW

    2. Re:Still getting the raw end of the deal? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For good or for ill, the RIAA has come to stand for the music cartel in many people's minds. Call it the flexibility of language or the laziness of human mind, but when someone says RIAA, I don't just think of the lobbying organization, I think of the cartel.

      I commend you for fighting for precision, but in this case I think you're trying to piss into the wind.

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    3. Re:Still getting the raw end of the deal? by ElleyKitten · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In America, where I'm pretty sure he signed it, the responsibility is on you, not anyone else, to make sure you understand your contract. Unless he is mentally handicapped and they were clearly taking advantage of him (which is not the case for him) then he had every opportunity to keep asking them until they explained, or hire a lawyer to explain it to him.

      He makes more money than most people ever will, I don't feel bad for him because he's too dumb to make shitloads more.

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  2. Cuplrit? by Southpaw018 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    TFA seems to blame iTunes, at least at heart. Wouldn't the actual problem here be the messed up, backwards, hacked way the (MP|RI)AA have decided to handle this newfangled technology called the internet?

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    1. Re:Cuplrit? by Babbster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, I thought the analysis seemed to blame everybody: iTunes for charging 30+ cents per dollar for their web services (that surely does seem high, which makes me wonder if the mentioned 80/19 split isn't more accurate), the record company for not splitting their cut more fairly with the artist, and the implied blame of Al for signing what seems on the surface to be a pretty lousy deal.

    2. Re:Cuplrit? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed. Here's what I understand.

      A consumer buys a record on iTunes for the flat $10 price. Apple takes its cut (30% or $3.00) but gives the rest to the record company. The record company takes out costs and then gives the artist a small percentage. For our example, let's say 10% or $0.70 goes to the artist.

      If the consumer had bought a $10.00 CD instead, the record company would still take the same of costs in terms of percentage but Apple would not have taken the first piece out. The artist would have gotten $1.00 in royalties.

      On the surface, it seems contradictory that artist would get less with iTunes and it would seem that Apple is to blame. The real culprit is what the record company considers as "costs." Every contract allows the record company to take out costs before royalties are paid. Traditionally the costs for the record company were things like distribution, marketing, and packaging for CDs and tapes. These were not minor costs.

      But in terms of digital downloads, Wierd Al (and other artists) are complaining that the record companies are taking out these traditional costs as if the work had been sold as a traditional CD or tape. What the record companies are doing are simply taking out the same percentages insteading computing the real costs.

      If the record companies had computed real costs for distribution and packaging for a download, it would have found that they are next to nothing. The artists should receive more. This is due to either the record companies not updating their accounting to deal with digital medium or purposefully shorting the artists. As a pessimist, I would think the latter.

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  3. So what's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Record companies find ways to give artists even less money. You knew it was going to happen. To the record companies, it is not about the music, but the money. Since the early days in the 50's they have been writing draconian contracts, then stealing the copyrights from the artists (remember the "musicians are craftsmen not artists" argument they were throwing around) and now this. Pretty soon, the artists will have to PAY the record companies for the priviledge of getting screwed.

  4. The Shaft by Poppler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't this interesting, after all the noise the industry made about going after illegal music downloads, all in the name of helping the artists. They then turn around and pay the artist next to nothing for the iTunes download you are supposed to buy because you want to 'support the artist'.
    Musicians will continue to "get the shaft" as long as they rely on majors.

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    1. Re:The Shaft by jd · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I don't believe in a free market, because "free markets" invariably transfer control from a (largely) unrepresentative ogliarchy of politicians to a (totally) unrepresentative ogliarchy of corporations. Yeah, I know, vote Cthulhu - why go for the lesser of two evils? The "free market", as implemented, needs so many constraints and so much oversight in order to prevent it from degenerating totally that it's not meaningfully free anyway. It's better than a lot of alternatives, but that's only because the alternatives would make a satanist green with envy.


      Really, there is almost no real way of supporting an artist. There are way too many hands dipping into their pockets. That's possibly why labels were so keen on artists getting high on drugs in the 60s and 70s - easier to steal from, if they're not concious. Even adding a token of appreciation in fan mail would be unlikely to get through. Whoever has been hired to answer the mail would be more than able to lift it without anybody being any the wiser.


      If there's a workable solution, then it will require some major restructuring of how things are done. The existing mechanisms don't cut it and cannot be patched to cut it.

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  5. apples to oranges? by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even if Al is making less per song, does that mean anyone who bought one of his songs or records from iTunes would've otherwise purchased a brand new CD? Or might they have bought a used one, or none at all?

  6. Community based business model? by Marsmensch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I remember reading a UNDP report a while back on the development of countries in Africa. The researchers observed that the international market prices of commodities such as coffee or sugar were higher then than at any time in the past, and yet in the last few years the prices payed to the small farmers was at its lowest point in the past 60 years.

    The reason for this apparent contradiction was the fact that small farmers can't sell their wares directly to the final consumer who brews coffee at home. Rather, this coffee is bought up by one of a handful of multinationals, who because they are so few, more or less dictate prices to the farmers, and then sell it on to the consumers. The fact that there are few of these middle men puts them in a position of power which allows them to make off with the king's share of the profits, and indeed they absorb the price hikes.

    Maybe its time musicians got together and set up an electronic coop to sell their music the way farmers sometimes set up "farmers markets". They could have more control over their prices, and how much of what consumers pay goes to them.

    Shouldn't the internet be making it easier to cut out the middle man like this?

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  7. Re:Read it on "Wierd Al's" actual website by xplenumx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In cases like this, I'm all in favor of the editors modifying the submitter's links. Not only does Aaron Hockley's blog offer no more information than what he submitted to Slashdot, but in his "Blogging" cattegory he clearly states that he's actively engaging in this sort of activity for his own personal benefit (don't bother, it's not worth the look nor the additional clicks to his 'blog').

  8. Culprit by Sentri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you are going to say something like that, please actually read the article.

    "Apple did work, and got paid for it. You did an arguably larger portion of the work, by creating something people wanted to buy in the first place, so Apple got a little money, and you got a good deal more."

    He is saying here you did work, they sold your work, they take a cut and pass the rest back. Fair enough. However he goes on to say "Unfortunately, that's not how this version of the universe operates. So Apple sends the check to your record label."

    And he then goes on to discuss where the money goes to the record label.

    The conclusion he reaches is basically "If all of your fans bought through iTunes rather than buying CDs at the record store you'd be looking at an overall reduction in income of 85%!" however he is quite clear through the article that the record companies take a lions share of that money

    Moving from fact into speculation, let's examine what's happening here

    Case 1:
    Man records songs, Record label puts work into creating CD labeling, packaging, promoting and so on. Record label organizes with Distribution company to sell CD's and gets money in return.
    Cost of Final Product: $15-$20.

    Case 2: Man records songs, Record label puts work into creating CD labeling, packaging, promoting and so on. Record label organizes with itunes to use all the fancy stuff they created for the CD and sell the product over Itunes.
    Cost of Final Product: $0.99 * songs or $10, whichever is less

    The same costs are involved in doing both. Until artists only release online, the CD cost will have to be recouped as well anyway, so it shouldn't be a huge shock to anyone that the cheaper product provides a worse return on investment for the same work.

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  9. Slashdot is going to hate this... by raehl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are very few people who actually have any taste in music. The vast majority of music purchases are made by shleps buying whatever is on the radio or MTV. So who is on the radio or MTV?

    Whoever the record labels SAY should be on the radio or MTV.

    So, no reason to pay the artists anything - if the artist you're talking to doesn't want to take a small percentage of the record sales, then you just find somebody else who will, make THEM the star, and then they can rake it in on concert ticket sales.

    People do not understand that pricing has NOTHING to do with what it costs to provide a service. It has to do with what people are willing to pay to get a service. And most new artists are willing to pay the vast majority of their record (or download) sales to have the services of a record label.

    Also, the article is wrong about WHO is getting the artist's money. The money the artist isn't getting isn't going to the LABEL, it's going to the CONSUMER:

    Price of Al's CD on Amazon: $14.98
    Price of Al's CD on iTunes: $11.88

    That's a difference of $3.10. Al 'apparently' loses $0.27 per song (not $0.265, article has rounding problems). $0.27 x 12 = $3.24!

    So, when Al comes up short $3.24 because a consumer got an album for $3.24 less on iTuns than on Amazon, who got that $3.24?

    The CONSUMER did!

    Now, I'm not saying this is FAIR. Clearly, the record label is making much more money on iTunes sales since, as mentioned, they don't have to pay for a lot of things they would if they distributed music by physical CD. But... why should Al get any of that? Al has agreed to pay the record company a certain amount for the record company's services. The record company gets the same amount whether the CD is sold online or on the shelves. If Al doesn't want to lose money to his stuff being sold on iTunes, he should renegotiate his contract to not allow iTunes sales. I bet most artists wouldn't do that though, because they make most of their money on concerts, and being on iTunes helps them sell tickets.

    The *REAL* problem here is not that Al isn't getting more money. The real problem is that the CONSUMER is still paying the record company CD distribution prices instead of digital distribution prices. In a free market, we would expect digital downloads to be much cheaper than $0.99, because the various distributors would compete against each other reduce the inflated margins the record companies (and iTunes) are getting based on CD priving. But since iTunes is a fairly insulated monopoly at this point, even though the CD *COSTS* of distribution have gone away, the CD *PRICING* hasn't.

    So, who is REALLY at fault for the artist getting no money AND the record company and iTunes still getting full price?

    APPLE! They've set the $0.99 price and are putting no pressure on the record labels to lower it.

  10. Re:Weird Al, an Artist? by EvanED · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Would you RTFA?

    Al's not really complaining. Someone asked him what medium gets him the most money, and here's what he had to say:

    "I am extremely grateful for your support, no matter which format you choose to legally obtain my music in, so you should do whatever makes the most sense for you personally. But since you ASKED... I actually do get significantly more money from CD sales, as opposed to downloads. This is the one thing about my renegotiated record contract that never made much sense to me. It costs the label NOTHING for somebody to download an album (no manufacturing costs, shipping, or really any overhead of any kind) and yet the artist (me) winds up making less from it. Go figure."


    He's a little sarcastic about it, but that IMO doesn't come close to "complaining".