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Microsoft Developing iPod, iTMS Competitor

Software writes "Reuters reports that Microsoft is developing an iPod and iTunes Music Store competitor. Few details are available, but it's known that Robbie Bach (the man behind the Xbox) is heading up the project." From the article: "Most iTunes rivals charge monthly fees to access a catalog of entertainment, but some allow consumers to buy individual songs for about $1 each. Microsoft's service will emphasize the pay-per-download, or a la carte, model, the sources said. A subscription component will also be offered, according to early accounts of the planned service. One source, who has seen a demonstration of the service, said it was an improvement over iTunes."

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  1. Won't work. by DarkHelmet · · Score: 3, Informative
    I can only see this working along with Microsoft's monopolist strategy:
    1. Bundle this itunes clone in with windows vista
    2. Have free music available from new artists for download (myspace style) through the service along with paid songs
    3. Make sure the device they have under development is as easy to use as the ipod, and that their ad campaign makes them as stylish and trendy
    4. Find a way to grandfather in support for the ipod for people who have ipod hardware already, but wouldn't mind transitioning software, not hardware

    The odds of Microsoft successfully pulling this off successfully are practically zero. One of these key components are bound not to show up, so I imagine people will have a copy itunes installed on their machine along with whatever Microsoft has.

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  2. Re:OK... but why by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 3, Informative
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Microsoft stop production of WMP for OS X?

    Correct. They (MS) now endorse a 3rd-party plugin for Mac called Flip4Mac that makes a QuickTime wrapper for Windows Media content. It works.. ok.

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  3. Re:It'd have to be an unmicrosoft solution by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 2, Informative
    So if ms did support both the iPOD and their on Plays4Sure players, then i think they would stand a good chance to uprooting Apple. Especially considering they can run the store at a loss for years.

    They have a better chance of buying Apple than they do of finding proper support for iPods without breaking the law. Which is to say, no chance at all. Real tried it, look what happened.

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  4. Oh no, not again! by norminator · · Score: 3, Informative

    The way I remember things, in WMP version something or other, MS included support for a few stores, but defaulted to Napster. Sortly after that, didn't Microsoft try an MSN music store, suddenly making that the default over the 3rd party stores in WMP? Then there's a bunch of news about this MS/MTV Urge online music store, I wasn't sure where that leaves the MSN service. It sounds like they're grasping at straws, trying the same things over and over again.

    I agree about WMP being lousy... I've tried to use it do sync music with my small (256MB) mp3 player. It's incredibly frustrating to try and get your music ready to copy to the mp3 player. I never use WMP to transfer my music now, I just do it through Explorer, or on Linux, but then I don't have control over the overall order of music. It seems that music within a single folder gets played all together and in the intended order, but I don't know what order the folders will be played. On my sister's non-iPod mp3 player, she can't make the music play in the order she wants, even if she creates a playlist in WMP, and syncs based on that. I never used to understand why non-Apple products don't get as much attention as iPod/iTMS (it seems like a simple thing to copy music to an mp3 player, how bad could everyone be screwing it up?), but now that I have one of the non-Apple players, I can see what a frustrating experience it can be.

    I'm not really expecting a brilliant turnaround in Microsoft's next attempt at doing the same thing, the same way, all over again... (what was Benjamin Franklin's definition of insanity, again?)

  5. Re:OK... but why by mah! · · Score: 2, Informative
    (MS) now endorse a 3rd-party plugin for Mac called Flip4Mac that makes a QuickTime wrapper for Windows Media content. It works.. ok.


    They probably sponsor Flip4Mac to distribute it (it's not a QT wrapper, it's a codec) for free. However, Flip4Mac does not support all Windows Media content. Specifically, no protected content at all, and very spotty performance on high-bandwidth video. Furthermore, Flip4Mac is an even worse resource hog than WMP for Mac OS X was.

  6. Re:AAC to WMA converter? by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 5, Informative

    The AAC lock-in is the only thing I hate about my iPod. It's supposedly possible to play AAC's on Linux, but I haven't been able to get it to work, even after downloading gtkpod, faac, faad, xine, amarok1.4, etc. And you're right that AAC lock-in makes 'plays for sure' a joke.

    Not that microsoft lock-in'd be any better, but what if Microsoft were to write a utility to seemlessly convert and/or copy your exisiting iTunes library from AAC (including DRM-AAC) to WMA?


    DRM laden AAC is no different form DRM laden WMA, except for the base file format. Each can exist in a form which has no DRM, but the people selling you the music, such as iTMS add it there. If you can remove the DRM appended onto the AAC file then it should play anywhere. Don't forget AAC ( Advanced Audo Coding) is the audio encoding format that is part of MP4, and the licensor is Dolby.

    For a given bit rate AAC is actually superior to MP3. I have AACs encoded with iTunes (not iTMS) that play quite happily with Winamp. I won't tell you how to remove the DRM from AACs because I don't know how to, and should testify having as much issue with WMA in this form.

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  7. Re:It'd have to be an unmicrosoft solution by Jason1729 · · Score: 2, Informative

    So let the labels sue Microsoft. Microsoft's main business strategy for the past 25 years has involved winning in the courtroom.

  8. Re:It'd have to be an unmicrosoft solution by MoriaOrc · · Score: 2, Informative
    Maybe they can leverage the Xbox, perhaps a plug on the side of an Xbox for their music player

    You may be suprised to find out that there is an optional software update for the 360 that lets you plug in an iPod that lets you plug it into one of the USB ports and play music off of it. How much more could they do with a console tie in?
    (Hint: sell songs on the marketplace! But that's probably less convenient then a PC).
  9. They don't stand a chance. by JohnsonWax · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apple now has it sewn up due not to iTMS or Fairplay but to that little connector on the bottom. Unless MS has that same little connector, they're fucked. Everyone with that iPod connector in their car, stereo, etc. won't buy in and it'll take ages for the market to come around to MS. Apple surely has a response to MS as well. We know that they've got the subscription service primed if they need to deploy. There's a new generation of iPods coming. There's video build-out still taking place. I just don't see how MS can jump ahead of all of that.

  10. Re:It'd have to be an unmicrosoft solution by jb_02_98 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was able to get a 256 MB Ogg, WMA, MP3, voice recorder, jump drive, FM Radio player thingy for around 50 dollars. It probably doesn't compare to an ipod, but it works great for me.

  11. Re:It'd have to be an unmicrosoft solution by RichardX · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's amazing how the prices on these things have come down.
    My first MP3 player was about the size and weight of a small elephant, had 128 Mb storage, and cost me £130..

    Now you can get a 256 Mb MP3/WMA player/voice recorder/flash storage drive from the bargain bin in Tesco for a tenner.
    Granted, they're not brilliantly built, and only USB 1.1, but they store files and play music, and the sound quality's not even too bad.. for £10 you can't really complain.

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  12. Re:It'd have to be an unmicrosoft solution by mmeister · · Score: 2, Informative

    This sure sounds like Microsoft using its monopoly on the OS in an attempt to dominate a new market, just like they did with the browser.

    And unlike Microsoft, Apple essentially CREATED this market and created their position in a legal manner. Apple doesn't have OS tying issues because 1) they're OS is not a monopoly and 2) iTunes runs on Windows as well.

    Microsoft talks about choice -- but they offer only one choice -- Windows. They offer zero Mac support for any of their Windows media stuff.
    At least Apple offers Windows support for iTunes. So you can be a Windows user and use iTunes. Microsoft's solution says that if you're a Mac user, "buy Windows". Ah, choice!

  13. Try moderating at -1 some time. :P by argent · · Score: 2, Informative

    The reason you don't see articles that say "I'm probably going tobe modded down" modded down so often is because that's kind of a vaccination against the effect.

    But I've seen well-written "against the grain" articles get modded down, and I've modded a few up again.