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Microsoft's Mundie to Continue OSS Outreach

Techie writes "In an interview with eWeek Craig Mundie, Microsoft's new co-head-honcho and chief research and strategy officer, says he plans to continue to push the Redmond software titan forward with its goal of greater interoperability with software licensed under the GPL." From the article: "Even in Bill's own public remarks, he pointed out that he thought his iconic status and the way that was reported tended to overemphasize his role in the company's innovation and execution. This is really a transition that has been in the works for a couple of years, with a couple to go before, and we will see the emergence of a lot of great talent that has today been portrayed as all Bill. This is a company with, in many cases, the best people in the world. "

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  1. You can only trash something for so long by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think they are realising that OSS isn't going away, each year it continues to get stronger and because of its structure they cannot aggressivly compete against it in a traditional sense.

    We are already seeing huge benefits of OSS and what it can achieve and I think Microsoft have realised if they are going to have any future in it they need to work with it to some extent.

  2. Let's see if I have this right... by greenguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am neither a programmer nor a lawyer, so there may be some nuances I'm missing, but here's how I see it.

    - FLOSS reveals everything there is to know about how it operates and interoperates.

    - Microsoft reveals as little as possible about how it operates and interoperates.

    - Microsoft has a high-profile, highly-paid person trying to figure out how to make the two work together. So far, this appears to be quite a challenge for them.

    Unless I've missed something crucial, Microsoft will never fix this problem to everyone's solution. The problem isn't in their software. The problem is in their business model. But they can never admit that, so they'll go on trying to figure out which size wrench to use to hammer the light bulb into the socket.

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    1. Re:Let's see if I have this right... by Coryoth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not all free software (let alone all open source software) is easy to read, nor well maintained. In many cases, it's just barely more readable than a disassembly.

      Sure, but that's because Free software is a ridiculously big umbrella. Not all commercial software is particularly easy to read (even if you could get the source) nor well documented, nor well maintained. For every random crappy sourceforge project you care to point out, I can find a crappy Win>insert name here< demoware program that's just as bad. What we're talking about here is major Free software products - you know, the ones that Microsoft might actually give a crap about interoperating with, like Linux, Apache, Mozilla, OpenOffice, etc. I think you'll find those projects are actually relatively easy to read, quite well documented, and well maintained. In fact I'll bet that they are at least as easy to read, and at least as well documented as Microsofts own stuff - the issues with turning over documentation of APIs in the EU antitrust case strongly pointed to the poor and chaotic state of even Micorosofts internal documentation.

  3. M$ finally learning the IBM lesson by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IBM was the Microsoft of it's time and now it's a darling of geeks everywhere. All companies eventually have to learn to transition from being an entity that makes standards to merely contributing to them. Microsoft will learn this lesson albeit the hard way but they will learn.

    Then in the future we can adjust our ire towards future threats like Apple for closing Darwin off to development and Google who is probably amassing more power than any one company should.

    1. Re:M$ finally learning the IBM lesson by rm69990 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is Apple closing off Darwin any more of a "threat" than Microsoft never opening Windows in the first place? You're being ridiculous.

      How is Google amassing so much power....by launching a bunch of free services that next to no one actually use? I'd be far more scared of a company like Yahoo!, which has far more data about its customers than Google will have in the next 5 years. Yahoo! offers the full range of portal services, and unlike Google, people actually use these portal services. Portal services can amass far more data than search records ever could. Gmail is far behind Yahoo! Mail in terms of users, as is Google Finance, Picasa Web, Google Calendar, Froogle, Google Maps, Google Talk, etc. Despite having better technology (IMHO), Google is an also-ran in the portal market.

      With a Calendar service, for instance, the Calendar provider could potentially view your entire life schedule and what you do in your time and use that for advertising purposes. With a Mail service, they have access to your communications. With the majority of people using google.com, they have access to search records attributed to a random IP address, and they have absolutely no way of actually tracing that IP address to a person without a court order, which they simply would not get.

      Wow, Google has like so much data about like the 5 million people worldwide that actually have accounts on Google.com! Oh, and they can trace your IP ADDRESS!!!! *shivers* (/sarcasm)

      Oh, wait, I'm on Slashdot, conspiracy theories and fearing all companies that make more than $10 million a year in profit is the norm here. Carry on then!

      (disclaimer: I use services from both Yahoo! and Google, depending on the service, and also MSN Messenger. I have no problem doing so, because I'm not paranoid of everything that exists to make money)

  4. Re:I'm not following the question by killjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Looks it's a computer journal. The job of a computer journal is not to ask hard hitting questions. It's to suck up to your advertisers and to make sure you get their press releases published as articles and to generally act as their publicity agents.

    If Ms wants to play nice all they have to do is the publish some specs. NTFS, SMB, Active Directory, Office file formats etc. I mean full disclosure. They could also remove the DRM from their file formats which prevents open office from even attempting to open their files.

    Ask yourself this question. Is a company which makes sure that the sample files it ships with office can only be opened up with MS office serious about playing nice? I don't think so. NOTE TO SHILLS: The previous statement has nothing to with the capability, the files are locked and refuse to be opened by open office.

    Anyway this is Mundie we are talking about. If he doesn't lie a dozen times by lunch he feels quesy.

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  5. outreach? please don't bother by argoff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I tell you what. If MS puts their patents on the table and removes their support of SCO and copyright liability, then I'll consider talking. Until then, forget it, actions speak louder than words.

  6. Re:You forgot a line. by donscarletti · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The source is Starwars VI Return of the Jedi nomatter where else you've heard it. IIRC Admiral Akbar utturs these highly profound words when he witnesses the power of the "fully operational battlestation".

    It is not supprising you have heard the line elsewhere though. George Lucas was never one for highly momentous lines, witness the usually talented Natilie Portman looking like a moron when she says pearls like "hold me like you did on naboo" and "you're breaking my heart Aniken". Hell, the only memorable lines in the 6 movies were Han Solo's which were probably snuck on the script when Lucas was visiting the shrine to himself for his daily devotion.

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  7. Proof precedes belief. by HiThere · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With some groups, I'm willing to extend trust. MS, however, has a track record. They will need to PROVE that they are trustworthy before I will trust them. Even then it will be an iffy kind of thing for a decade or so.

    But proof comes first.

    1) Stop campaigning for closed standards. This is the first step towards earning trust.
    2) Stop attempting to corrupt existing standards. This can be done simultaneous with 1.
    3) Stop spreading FUD. If you continue to act like an enemy, there's no way I'll be willing to trust you.

    Those steps are negative, but essential. Until those conditions are met there is no possible positive action that I would trust.

    4) Do something positive. There are lots of options here, but if a government forces you to it, then it doesn't count as a positive action from you. Merely neutral (at best).
    Possible examples of positive actions are:
    1) Pushing an open standard, and adopting it in your own programs.
    2) Opening the file format specifications beyond what the EU is demanding. (Alternatively, creating a new Open file format specification and adopting it...but this is 1 again.)
    3) Releasing a version of MSWind that doesn't automatically remove the ability of other OSs on the same drive to boot. (Yeah, Linux isn't so good about this either. SuSE seems to do this, but most distros presume that they are the grand PooBah *AND* the Lord High Executioner wrapped into one bundle.)
    4) Other. (I said there were lots of choices. There's really too many to enumerate.)

    But proof comes before belief.

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  8. Re:Bad analogy by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a company with, in many cases, the best people in the world.

    I don't know which is more disturbing. I mean, I use windows, I form an impression about the quality of its makers, and I think how scary it is, that good management can bring such a bunch of monkeys to world domination. Then I read something like this, and I think how scary would be if he was right, that bad management really can cause the best people in the world to produce something like windows.

    He can't be right, can he?

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