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Microsoft, Massachusetts, and IT

Andy Updegrove writes "A big story in Massachusetts last week was the announcement by Microsoft that it would give $30 million in software to Bay State high schools and universities. Less noticed was the fact that an important economic stimulus bill adopted by the legislature lacked the amendment that sought to gut the power of the State CIO to set any new IT policies that might require compliance with certain standards (like ODF) or favor open source software. Should these two dots be connected, and if so, how? After all, why would Microsoft reward Massachusetts for taking no action to curtail an IT policy that favored ODF and rejected Microsoft's own XML format, especially after Microsoft has by all accounts lobbied so aggressively to bring about a change? As it happens, the fact is that the game isn't over yet: I've learned that the IT policy language hasn't been permanently defeated — its just been shifted out of sight to an 'outside section' of the current budget bill."

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  1. Large Companies & Education by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For those software companies that don't have an academic injection strategy, I suggest you develop one.

    Depending on the complexity/use of your software, you put it either in the primary schools (K-12) or secondary schools (colleges). And you make it free and secure. Use license pools/server or anything to get your product into the learning process. That's where the money is. That's where you ensure your future.

    Back in my undergrad days, I had access to Matlab, Pro Engineer, Mathematica, MSDN licenses, Windows XP, Rational Rose, the list goes on. I think it was Macintosh that originally discovered that putting your technology into the hands of your youth ensures your future. Why? Because Americans are predominantly lazy and we hate to climb learning curves. Macs especially build a sort of security sense that the user is safe and the machine is super friendly.

    You might call this the "bottom up" approach to seeding the public with your product. Because the students aren't customers but one day they will be raised to be customers and they will decide what will be used. If you don't believe this model works, you're a fool. Time and time again I've caught myself saying, I wish I could just script this in Matlab and let it dump it to an Excel sheet. It's not that it would be easier, it's just that I know precisely how to do computations in Matlab due to my undergrad years of using it.

    Now you have Microsoft trying to stop a "top down" effect in Massachusetts. Whereby they try their "MSDN Academic Alliance" strategy targeting a state's public schools. But why are they only targeting Massachusetts? Probably because of the ODF movement in the state government. If the government mandates that everyone (schools included) use ODF files and ODF software, where does that leave Microsoft? No longer the primary tool of the children, that's where.

    What's the lesson to learn from this article? The squeaky wheel gets the oil!

    Not enough funding for computers and software at your school? Well then, simply alert your local media and just try to enforce the ODF standard. I think you'll find that Microsoft will suddenly come (with the national media) to meet all your software needs!

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    1. Re:Large Companies & Education by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Because Americans are predominantly lazy and we hate to climb learning curves.
      Oh, thank goodness! I had been thinking that laziness was an issue common to most peoples at most times. I'm relieved to hear that my own country is uniquely deserving of mention in this category, because that means the world is a better place than I thought.
  2. The kids are the winners here. by scrabbleguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Regardless of the reasons why Microsoft donated the software the end result is that the kids are the winners. Their schools are now going to have some money that would have been spent on software that can now be spent on other things to improve their education. Motives aside, is that such a bad thing?

    1. Re:The kids are the winners here. by mecanicaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh yeah???
      And having kids with the knowledge that nothing exists in this world except M$ products, it's this way all over the world, here in Egypt M$ subsidizes school software to the extent that it offers windows+office packages in the equivalent of less than $3 to students, and in the end we get students who don't know what's a spreadsheet or word processor, they only know Excel and Word etc..
      Yet even in the US I recently read on a republican blogger's page someone comparing emacs (she called it emac) with M$ Word and dubbing emacs of being a word processor of lesser quality.

    2. Re:The kids are the winners here. by autocracy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The whole state is losing on this ODF issue. Anytime you lock yourself into a vendor when you don't have to be locked in, it's a financial exposure. It's also entirely illegitimate to have to possess the software of one particular vendor in order to read public documents.

      Besides, in the end, if they go with an open document specification, they may end up saving the equivalent in money that way. It's also $30 milllion in software that was donated, not cash. It's bribery, and in public infrastructure when the company making the "donation" is the topic of hot discussion, it's clearly corruption.

      The entire process of getting ODF in Massachusetts stinks. Those arguing against it are using invalid arguments, and now it's being pushed in a bill that's unrelated (I don't care how much of a good cause something is... all these rider bills are a plague upon the public as well). Not to mention the amount of pressure a company from a different state is capbable of putting on a state government.

      P.S., I'm running the State House in my own state becuase I am that fed up with seeing this kind of thing.

      You should try it... it's a heck of a learning experience, even if you don't win. Still hoping to win, though.

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    3. Re:The kids are the winners here. by SubTexel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hrmmm... Kind of like what Apple did in the '80s and early '90s... Too bad for them it didn't work that way. But this is MS we're talking about so it MUST be some evil conspiracy.

      Break out the tinfoil hats everyone!

    4. Re:The kids are the winners here. by Pecisk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is just not a bad thing as first hit for kiddie from drug dealer.

      I just wonder how it is allowed BY law, because it is clearly dumping from monopoly in one vitally important market segment.

      Post scriptum: free software doesn't have monopoly, so don't even brother with arguing about that...

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  3. So it would seem by MECC · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the quoted article:"To be fair, the commitment of Bill Gates (at least) to education is sincere"

    Apparently, that is, up until now. Maybe this is the one of the reasons he's leaving as CIO (well that and to get out of the way of Vista, since there's no Dave Culter to tell him to stop pestering the project this time). Maybe he just doesn't want to be seen as a corporate dirtbag any longer, or at least, further legitimatize real philanthropic pursuits. Then, maybe not.

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  4. Why Assume Bribes When Extortion is a Possibility? by geoffrobinson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sometimes donations and campaign contributions are more akin to extortion payments than bribes.

    Like Microsoft's monopoly or not (I don't), they ran into problems in the late 90s because they didn't give out much campaign contributions. They learned their lesson well.

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  5. Makes sense by babbling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They want the schools to use Microsoft everything. They failed to change policy that would give people choice, so now they're just giving people Microsoft software.

    Having a software monopoly helps to hold the monopoly together. They're smart, so they seek to maintain their monopoly even when it causes them to lose money.

    In short, this is just a good investment for Microsoft.

    1. Re:Makes sense by babbling · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This isn't charity, though. That's my point. This is a good business decision.

      Maintaining a monopoly is important for Microsoft's future because the biggest advantage of using Microsoft software at the moment is that Word and Excel files will always open, drivers will always be available, and you'll always be able to play DVDs/video files/MP3s.

      Proprietary file formats are incredibly important for Microsoft. By getting people to use Microsoft software, even if it's being given away, Microsoft are benefiting. More people will be using proprietary file formats, the kids will probably continue using Microsoft software after they've left school, and no one is introduced to Free Software via their school.

      It's probably possible for schools to demand money from Microsoft in return for using Microsoft software, and if schools did do that, Microsoft would be nuts not to pay up. Not because they're charitable, but because it'd be a good business decision.

  6. Wrong.. by scsirob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft offered $30 Million in *SOFTWARE* license. That's not money. That's advertising. It's the same principle as drug dealers on the corner of the street offering free shots. Once the kids are hooked, they have nowhere else to go.

    The schools can keep their $30 Million in the pocket when they use Open Source software just as well. The difference being that in a year from now they can get the next version for free too...

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    1. Re:Wrong.. by bubkus_jones · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You really don't get it, do you? Get them hooked on the OSS software when they're young, so that is what they know best. You believe that the stranglehold that MS has on the market sucks, so how to YOU propose we fight it? By giving in and saying "Well, it's what they're going to need to know in the 'Real World?'*" No, by getting kids to learn the alternatives, like Open Office. Kids will learn it much faster than a seasoned MS Office "Pro", and they'll have more time to work with it. Once they get into the workplace,yeah, for the time being they'll likely need to use MS Office, but they'll know Open Office and they'll feel more comfortable with it (and use it at home, since it's double-free). Then, once they're in more of a position to help make decisions regarding software use, they can pimp out all the cool features of Open Office, including the rather non-restrictive licences and low cost, and help the "Real World*" break free of the stranglehold.

      *Real World is a trademark of MS Global Domination, Resistance Is Futile.

    2. Re:Wrong.. by IAmTheDave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I gotta tell you, I know people love open source software here, but kids getting free access to Microsoft Office apps while allowing the schools to spend the $30M elsewhere is not a bad thing.

      The main reason it is not a bad thing is because most jobs in this country that aren't purely physical labor require the knowledge of Microsoft Office applications. Whether it's a future you appreciate or not, there is no reason that these kids shouldn't be prepared for the future they will be dumped in to - especially if the software comes to the schools for free.

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    3. Re:Wrong.. by theStorminMormon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You know, it'd be real nice if some of the anti-MS "break free of the stanglehold", "free the children", "fight the oppressors" enthusiasm around here was dedicated to something that really mattered. Like AIDS vaccines or potable water.

      I'm a huge fan of OSS and I'm trying to get my company to adopt linux and/or open office. (I'm an analyst, not technically in the IS infrastructure, but since the IS infrastructure is one person and the entire company is just over 20 people - it may work.) But these are business decisions. What is more cost effective? OSS or MS or Apple? Not to mention the flavors of linux available. I just don't see morality or politics or "THE RESISTANCE!!!" entering into the discussion. Do any of you seriously think MS is still going to be dominating the software world in a few decades?

      The people that see some kind of moral struggle here are just very strange to me. If the biggest evil you see in the world is MS trying to maintain market share by giving away a product (OF COURSE THERE ARE STRINGS ATTACHED!!! MS is a business!) then I have to wonder what kind of a warped world you live in.

      I mean - get pissed about net neutrality, get pissed about DRM, get pissed about poverty, or crime, or education - but hating MS? I mean, come on.

      I'm not defending MS here, I'm just asking for a little sense of perspective.

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    4. Re:Wrong.. by bubkus_jones · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You know, it'd be real nice if some of the anti-MS "break free of the stanglehold", "free the children", "fight the oppressors" enthusiasm around here was dedicated to something that really mattered. Like AIDS vaccines or potable water.

      Ah, yes, because fighting for fair technological access, and freedom to choose who you give your money to are completely unimportant. There are plenty of people fighting for AIDS vaccines, hell, on my way to work each morning I pass several billboards with various celebrities pimping AIDS awareness, and that's not to mention the ones IN the mall, or the advertisments I see on TV.

      Do any of you seriously think MS is still going to be dominating the software world in a few decades?


      Do you really think AIDS is still going to be rampant all over the world in a few decades?

      Nothing will change unless people are willing to change it.


      The people that see some kind of moral struggle here are just very strange to me. If the biggest evil you see in the world is MS trying to maintain market share by giving away a product (OF COURSE THERE ARE STRINGS ATTACHED!!! MS is a business!) then I have to wonder what kind of a warped world you live in.


      No, MS isn't the biggest evil in the world, just in computers. The "moral struggle" is strange? The company has been convicted of Anti-Competitave tactics multiple times in several countries. Why shouldn't this be a little alarming? They're effectively forcing students to learn NOTHING except Microsoft products, blocking out all alternatives, so that they keep their market share.

      I mean - get pissed about net neutrality, get pissed about DRM, get pissed about poverty, or crime, or education - but hating MS? I mean, come on.

      I am pissed about all those things, too. Why "come on"? Why has Microsoft been given a free pass? What have they done to deserve not getting pissed at?

      I'm not defending MS here, I'm just asking for a little sense of perspective.

      I've got no problem with getting a little perspective, I just feel that Microsoft should not be allowed to do these things, given their history as a company.

    5. Re:Wrong.. by ciggieposeur · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We use StarOffice for most of the PCs here because Texas' stupid "Robin Hood" law strips us of about $22,000,000 a year, forcing across-the-board budget cuts.

      As a Texan myself, I say yippee. Do you really expect that if Robin Hood disappeared the multiple school districts benefitting from your $22 mil would be able to purchase Microsoft Office for _their_ students? Of course not. The whole point of Robin Hood is to force all Texas schools to suffer the consequences of extreme inequity. Poor districts can't afford things like adequate numbers of teachers and buses, hence your school can't afford software licenses for elective computer classes.

      Tell your PTA that if they really want MS Office they are welcome to individually donate licenses (at $300 each) or cut funds from more expensive extracurricular activities like football. (Maybe _your_ local community will prize computer software over football, mine sure didn't.) Or they could vote in a state corporate (or personal) income tax to shift the funding burden away from property taxes.

  7. Re:"Should" they be connected?! by SpecTheIntro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is there some sort of filtering process during slashdot's account creation process that requires you make stupid, overzealous statements about the evils of government and politics? If you honestly believe the US is a bastion of corruption, you should try visiting a few other continents. My family is from Iran, and I've been back plenty of times, and I have to bribe the goddamned luggage handlers so I can get out of the airport in a timely fashion. And that's the tip of the freaking iceberg. I've been to Japan, Turkey, Hungary, Romania (where policemen are beaten for reporting police brutality), Bulgaria, the UK, France, and let me assure you, bribery and corruption are everywhere. I'm by no means a nationalist, but I know a good thing when I see it, and you have no idea how much better the US is when it comes to the rule of law.

    P.S. Don't even get me started on Mexico.

  8. Meh... by jhjmonnee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's almost the same as when the NFL sold out to EA. M$ is just using this as good P/R and the kids will like it because, hey, it's free stuff. Then again, some of these kids don't even know the potentially disasterous effects of using a M$ OS and neither do their teachers. Who wants to bet in a year, 50% of the software donated is infested with your everyday mal/spy/adware courtesy of their M$ OS.

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  9. Large Charity Tax Deduction for MSFT by rabun_bike · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft has a long history of donating to charity and then taking a large tax deduction for the full retail price of the product. Since the physical manufacturing costs are so low for software after the initial investment of developing it, free software for education is both a PR win for Microsoft as well as well as a great tax shelter. But more importantly the schools that accept their software will now be future customers. And, the kids that use them will grow up to be consumers. They have been doing this for some time. They even give themselves the full retail sales price deduction for the software which is not customary among corporate donators (or at least it was not in the past).

    And don't forget about the anti-trust settlement which allowed them to print money in the form of free software on CDs. Now, that's a sweet deal any company would jump at. Apple's opposed the deal since it hurt them.

    1. Re:Large Charity Tax Deduction for MSFT by HikingStick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, those in tech circles have strong opinions on Microsoft and its alterior motives, but to average citizens, the big payoff here is perceived goodwill. Parents and voters will be less likely to oppose a company (any company) that give products or services to schools, especially when they hear teachers complain almost daily (as they do here in my city) that budget cuts (or freezes) have been so bad that teachers need to buy nearly every supply necessary to conduct their lessons. They get their single ream of paper at the start of the year and are pretty much told (by their peers) where they can buy the most supplies for the least money. Then, we parents get school supply lists that are aimed at stocking the classroom shelves rather than making sure that "Johnny" has his pencils, crayons, and notebooks. Unless many more techies are going volunteer many more hours of their time to help local schools migrate to (and support) other platforms, Microsoft's contributions will continue to be welcomed.

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  10. All Republicans are NOOBZ? by castoridae · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yet even in the US I recently read on a republican blogger's page someone comparing emacs (she called it emac) with M$ Word and dubbing emacs of being a word processor of lesser quality.

    Let's be fair here; being uninformed about what emacs is, and writing a poor comparison in her blog has NOTHING to do with being a Republican.

  11. I Think We Have Discovered Office's Value by MikeyTheK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Mass. can deploy OO.o or other office tools for free, then the value of M$'s office tools to those same institutions is...essentially nothing. So what we are finding is that M$ is giving away software that is being given away by others anyhow. Granted OO.o isn't the same thing, doesn't have the same shine or finish to it, and is probably several years behind M$ in terms of features, but I am willing to bet that the vast majority of schools and schoolkids won't notice the difference.

    Heck, I use office products all day every day, on one machine that has M$ office, and one that has OO.o and I can't say that I have noticed a significant difference in terms of my productivity, either.

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    1. Re:I Think We Have Discovered Office's Value by everphilski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If Mass. can deploy OO.o or other office tools for free, then the value of M$'s office tools to those same institutions is...essentially nothing.

      Not when Microsoft's version offers utilities and functionale (particularly in Excel) that doesn't exist in OO.org's offerings (as an engineer... as of the 1.9.104 release there was enough missing to make it counterproductive). I can offer you a piece of toast for a nickel, that doesn't mean that a full 5-course meal should run a nickel as well...

  12. Re:"Should" they be connected?! by Danse · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I've been to Japan, Turkey, Hungary, Romania (where policemen are beaten for reporting police brutality), Bulgaria, the UK, France, and let me assure you, bribery and corruption are everywhere. I'm by no means a nationalist, but I know a good thing when I see it, and you have no idea how much better the US is when it comes to the rule of law.

    So the gist of your argument is that corruption here in the US is ok because it's not as bad as some other places? That's got to be the weakest argument I've ever heard. Corruption should be fought whenever it is found. Yes, maybe things are better here, but they could be better still if we'd fight this kind of thing whenever it rears its ugly head. That's how we keep things better here.
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  13. Why favor OSS? by bhirsch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why should the state legislate favoritism toward open source software? Aren't they supposed to be unbiased and viewing IT policies from a strictly pragmatic point of view?

    1. Re:Why favor OSS? by tddoog · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Governments exist for the people, so they should be doing what is best for the people .

      Recently governments in the US have begun working only for people who make the most campaign donations and not doing what is best for all. If the government were to invest its vast resources into supporting OSS instead of closed solutions, then all of the people would reap the benefits of their investment and not just a select few. I agree the government should be pragmatic in determining what to spend tax dollars on, but OSS is as capable or better than most of the same closed form solutions.

      OSS also promotes transparency which always an improvement for government. The ideals that F/OSS promotes are beneficial enough for the government to spend a little extra money on implementation (if it is more expensive).

      I work for the government and I know there are many cases when the government doesn't choose the cheapest option for reasons that are far less important.

  14. Hmm, by MichaelPenne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    perhaps 'education' is best served by teaching students the principles of spreadsheets, wordprocessors, and presentations, rather than 'click button X to accomplish task Y'?

    If that were the case, then perhaps educated students would be able to rapidly adapt to new interfaces rather than being stuck when a different product (or a new version of the product they were schooled on) is put in front of them?

    IMO, kids that memorize button positions rather than learning principles are always going to be less productive, as even the same exact product will go through version changes, menus are replaced with ribbons, the UI flavor of the day (say docking windows or floating animated helpers) is tried out, etc.

    IME, the real world in IT is one of constant change, and the folks best positioned to thrive there are the ones who are able to easily cope with multiple interfaces to the same basic task or principle.

    1. Re:Hmm, by bigpat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      perhaps 'education' is best served by teaching students the principles of spreadsheets, wordprocessors, and presentations, rather than 'click button X to accomplish task Y'?

      Yes, when I left school I could write using nothing other than a "number 2" pencil. It was a tragedy which left me ill prepared for college. If only they had taught me to use any pencil, a mechanical one or even a pen, then my life would have been changed forever.

    2. Re:Hmm, by Trelane · · Score: 2, Insightful
      But we have to emphasize MSO right now because--like I said--it's the standard out there and we'd rather them learn button-pushing than nothing at all...and right now, we're having a hard time creating the third option.
      Excellent. Assuming they're freshmen/women, please tell me where I can go find MSOffice 2k9? I can't seem to find it anywhere, and it'll be what they'll be using it when they get out of school, not this 2k3 or (heavens forbid) 2k or XP. I hear the interface has changed greatly (yet again) and it's a fridge-magnet-poetry type interface in 2009, so they really need to bone up on the buttons they need to push.
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  15. Re: reward by ltwally · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "After all, why would Microsoft reward Massachusetts for taking no action to curtail an IT policy that favored ODF and rejected Microsoft's own XML format...?"


    This isn't a reward: this is good marketing. It's marketing because it costs Microsoft next to nothing to give software away (they've already paid to create it, and MA wouldn't buy it from them -- hence, very little lost $$). However, by giving it to students, they can train future generations on their software, thus helping to lock them into Windows & Office. When these students go out into the Real World, their only software experiences will be on MS stuff -- and thus, their employers will have incentives to use MS stuff rather than retrain them for something else. It's good marketing because, as stated above, it doesn't cost MS much $$. And smart companies always jump at the chance for cheap marketing.
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  16. Re:"Should" they be connected?! by SpecTheIntro · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Look, here in the United States, those of us born, bred, and fed here look at the world in a different light.

    I was born and raised in the US. My family is from Iran; I am not, at least not technically.

    On the other, we have the most corrupt and contemptible form of government imagineable, where the little guy is run roughshod over by special interests and votes in Congress and for President are for sale.

    I really can't take you seriously after this point. If you honestly believe this, you have not travelled enough. Our government provides the most avenues for recourse for the general citizen than any other form of government today. We have plenty of problems, (my particular beef is with the overbearing power of the oil lobby, and our completely asinine foreign policy when it comes to Israel), but we are light-years ahead of any other form of government, and really any other system in the world that I've seen. Most of the corruption in the American system is not institutional. Contrast this with the Iranian government, where until Ahmadinejad came into power, very little on the institutional level got done without bribery.

    Finally, the phenomenon you're describing is competition, not bribery. Microsoft is trying to convince a state legislature that their solution is the better one, and I can't think of a better way to do that than to provide the most commonly-used Office suite for free to state schools. Until you can show me that Bill Gates made a very large "contribution" to a politician's bank account, I'm not going to consider this corruption. Part of the responsibility of being a politician is balancing political image with personal responsibility. If our politicians were as incapable of doing this as you posit, we would be in far worse shape than we are now.

  17. Re:Wrong..YOU are Wrong... by bradc158 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe you are really bad at teaching your students then. The "basics" of word processing, using a spreadsheet, or creating a presentation typically apply across most office suites. Rather than teaching students to memorize exactly how Microsoft wants you to do things why not teach them to think logically and learn how to "learn" and adapt.

    When I was growing up and going through grade school MS Office didn't have the monopoly it does now. I learned on Word Perfect, a bit on Lotus products, and some other package on an old Apple. Today, unfortunately, I have the great pleasure of having to work with MS Office all the time. I am still able to do my job, and quit well. So did not learning MS Office specifically in high school disadvantage me? Absolutely not!

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  18. Wrong, the children LOST! by mangu · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Their schools are now going to have some money that would have been spent on software that can now be spent on other things to improve their education. Motives aside, is that such a bad thing?


    The schools would have a lot more than $30 million if they didn't spend any money at all on commercial software, using free software instead. Free software in schools is interesting in that it's one thing that's both better and cheaper at the same time.


    What constitutes a better education? Should children learn to push buttons, or should they learn the fundamentals? Using MS-Office in schools because that's what most of them will use professionally later is like having them read the National Enquirer instead of Moby Dick.

  19. Monopoly is Its Own Reward by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft wins when it stick a new generation of kids with its software. The kids will then be on the "Microsoft track", much more likely to use their Microsoft skills to ensure more Microsoft software is bought for them, and the people they communicate with, for the rest of their lives.

    With so many colleges, Massachusetts is very influential in forming "software habits", apart from its rank as the 4th most populous state.

    If Microsoft can use those "free bags" of smack to lure the state into making Microsoft's brand of junk into law, that's a big bonus. But just getting the kids hooked is worth doing, even if they have to wait for the state to require addiction.

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  20. Re:"Should" they be connected?! by Billosaur · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I really can't take you seriously after this point. If you honestly believe this, you have not travelled enough. Our government provides the most avenues for recourse for the general citizen than any other form of government today. We have plenty of problems, (my particular beef is with the overbearing power of the oil lobby, and our completely asinine foreign policy when it comes to Israel), but we are light-years ahead of any other form of government, and really any other system in the world that I've seen. Most of the corruption in the American system is not institutional. Contrast this with the Iranian government, where until Ahmadinejad came into power, very little on the institutional level got done without bribery.

    Then you missed the point of my expostulation. I personally don't believe this, but plenty of Americans do: on the one hand we're the greatest country in the world and on the other, the worst. I've travelled in Europe; I know how good I have it, but the majority of Americans have no inkling. They assume they are pawns in some kind of game and that's why voter turnout is so low here, because most people are convinced they have no say and that their vote doesn't change anything, whereas the opposite is true: by not voting, they perpetuate the system. It's a simple concept but too difficult for the average American to comprehend.

    And what Microsoft is doing is bribery, though more subtle despite it's publicity. They are promising Massachusettes something for "free"; in return, they "expect" the government there to quietly kill off attempts to bring OSS/ODF to the state system. It's graft on an enourmous and completely legal scale, as Microsoft is not trying to line anyone's pockets overtly. But graft is graft. Admittedly, it's not the same as having to bribe baggage handlers to get your bags after a long flight, but no matter the scale, it's flat out wrong.

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  21. "Get 'em while they're young" doesn't work by WMD_88 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I see a lot of people here saying that MS is doing this to get the kids now so later, they stay with MS software. Well, that theory doesn't work and hasn't ever worked. One word: Macintosh. They tried this for over a decade, and what do they have to show for it? About 4% market share, if that. And this is coming from a Mac user.

    No, kids will always still buy whatever their parents get for them, which usually happens through marketing, or whatever they have at work, etc. The schools haven't had any real power over this, ever.

  22. The cost of this "gift": ~$15M USD by hotspotbloc · · Score: 3, Insightful
    TFA:

    About 42,000 of the public high schools' computers, a little fewer than half, will be able to run the software immediately. But the other 50,000 are too old to handle such new programs and will be weeded out of the system anyway, said Education Commissioner David P. Driscoll .

    So 50k machines out and say $300 per seat (IMO way too low but ...) equals $15M USD in hardware upgrade costs.

    Before people freak clearly some machines would need replacing anyways but how many could be still used if they running something like ubuntu, xubuntu (lighter system requirements than the stock ubuntu) or even pupply gnu/linux? Why not phase in the upgrades and squeak an extra year or two out of the older hardware?

    This is not a dig against MS but at the MA elected folks that agreed to this IMO costly "gift".

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