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Nokia & Siemens To Merge Network Business
An anonymous reader writes "Nokia and Siemens are joining forces in fixed and mobile network businesses to create a new global player, Nokia Siemens Networks. Based in Finland, the new company will have a revenue of 15.8 billion euros, and a workforce of 60.000 (before the projected "synergy benefits", that will cut costs 1,5 billions euros, and make 10-15 per cent of employees redundant, that is). More info in their press release." There's been other information released in the media as well.
make 10-15 per cent of employees redundant
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Don't worry guys, those usually are the bean counters. People that do real work usually aren't fired.
Kill the bean counter contributions are always save bets on
I hadn't the slightest objection to his spending his time planning massacres for the bourgeoisie... (P.G. Wodehouse)
I don't know about you guys, but I'm so exited about this I can hardly contain myself!
Will Siemens cross licensing deal with MSFT apply to 'Nokia Siemens Networks'? Why don't they just call it 'retard networks' and get the software patent lobby to promote it?
That's the last thing any of the employees want to hear.
For us consumers does this mean the usual reduction in R&D competition. I am not a big phone nut, but I do want to see the technology push forward.
If this were really happening, what would you think?
Well it goes to show that competition creates jobs. Where there is less competition there is less change and where there is less change, there are less knowledge-workers making the new designs.
Nokia competes against Siemens and they employ 60000 workers, Nokia stops competing with Siemens and they only need to employ 51000 or less, produce fewer designs, need fewer knowledge workers, have fewer potential hit products, have fewer knowledge workers dreaming up new ideas etc.
So much for software patents encourage IP. Competition encourages development, not mini monopolies.
Don't worry guys, those usually are the bean counters. People that do real work usually aren't fired.
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Kill the bean counter contributions are always save bets on
Maybe then slashdotters, including yourself, should grow a heart then?
Job loss is Job loss. I'm not an accountant but accounting is an important job. Yes I know, accountants are the mortal enemies of IT by being bean counters, but those are usually the managers and execs who control the purse strings, and they are evil because they are know nothing managers, not because they are accountants. The accounting "grunts" who work the spreadsheets, record the money, and take the calls are the not your enemies, and they are also the same people who typically get the axe.
Actually the other division who typically get the axe are the IT people, so don't think you as a typical slashdotter is safe.
"All great wisdom is contained in .signature files"
I enjoy Nokia products. I have never used Siemens phones. This merger is meant to combat the come-back of Motorola with their RAZR line (they were featured in Fortune magazine last week as a great team who pulled the sinking company back to the top).
Personally, I find Nokia phones more user friendly, with less convoluted menu paths.
NSN...
:)
...maybe http://www.nsn.mobi/ - nope, that one is up for grabs...can't believe they spent all that money and let the perfect url slip away. Not a very auspicious start boys.
Too bad it wasn't 'Lokia & Siemens' tho, then it would be LSN and right in line in front of MSN in the yellow pages
http://www.nsn.com/ - ouch
Take note --
This is the networks / infrastructure business, not their mobile phones businesses. This is strangely reminescent of the Nokia-Sanyo thing back in February. A bunch of "redundant" people got laid off then, too.
to BenQ last summer. http://digital-lifestyles.info/display_page.asp?se ction=business&id=2289
There are already too many misleading comments talking about mobile phones and other products made by Nokia and Siemens. Maybe it is time to remind some uninformed readers that:
This merger affects the part of each company that is dealing with mobile network infrastructure: things like the mobile switching centers, GPRS support nodes, many nodes in the radio access networks and so on... This has very little to do with the terminals (mobile phones). These companies will keep on selling and developing their mobile phones independently (or via BenQ, for Siemens)
For comparison, when Sony and Ericsson merged their mobile phone divisions, the network part of Ericsson remained independant. Same for all other parts of Sony. Nobody expected to see a Walkman(tm) or a Bravia(tm) screen added to Ericsson's network switches and nobody expected to see the Sony Vaio laptops turning into GSM base stations.
15.8 billion euros, and a workforce of 60.000 (before the projected "synergy benefits", that will cut costs 1,5 billions
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This is the inevitable result of the series of failed technologies that hang round the necks of all those involved in mobile telephone business like the large stinking albatross it is.
The whole industry is a series of calamatous errors, and before you start telling me about the huge amounts of money they make I wan't you to consider the difference between doing something "good" and making money. Drug barons make money - but their industry is hardly what you would call good. Similarly, the mobile phone companies have sytematically fought between themselves, with network operators killing off fledgling technologies like WAP by charging prohibitive access costs; to handset vendors packing so much unused technology into the handsets the network operators struggle to recoup their costs. Hardly good business practice, and let's face it the handsets are short lived unreliable pieces of junk that are pratically unuseable. I'm a geek and I can't even be arsed to use the calendar on my phone for fuxsake.
3G has been the biggest farce since the Noel Coward left the party. The technology is dreadful, truly awful to use. It is expensive, unreliable, impractical and worthless. Who in their right mind is going to hold a very expensive handset at arms length and shout at the 1" square image for the sake of making a video call? (inside obviously because you cannot see the screen in daylight and not on a train because the signal is too unreliable, nor where there are people around because you would hardly want to be seen making a prat of yourself and only to someone that has a compatible handset). Those poor network operators have had to write off the costs of the 3G license that they paid for e.g. Vodaphone's massive loss recently, and they still cannot find any way to make money off the connection. Sure, they make a few bucks/quid from laptop access but 802.11 is guzzling up paying customers faster than a $20 whore.
So, where do they go? More new technology? Like the Sony i-mode stuff? I seriously doubt that will ever be more than a passing fad for a few technophiles. No, that is not the answer. I don't know what is, and neither do the manufaturers, so in the meantime they will consolidate their costs, buy up companies like LG, Siemens & SAGEM and sell cheap handsets, that only barely work, until they find a more lucrative solution.
Cynical, perhaps, but that has been the history of this industry since the 80's. The only trick that really worked was SMS texting - and they did not catch onto that for about a year after it was popular.
The CNN article sais they are both getting a lot of heat from the far east. We are not talking consumer products you can push with the right marketing. I am sure the Vodaphone purchase director does not care how sexy the switches look. They will need to make good quality products for the right price, and a merger is probably the only way to keep Europe in the running.
10 ?"Hello World" life was simple then
"And where a market exists that can be served me new products, new companies will emerge."
Like Sendo (driven to the grave by an Ericcson Patent thicket). New companies only emerge if the big guys can't lock the market down.
Thank you, you're only the ninety-eighth person to point that out. Big fat faggot.
Instead, the first posts are talking about a handful of people losing jobs... Hello?.. That's not, what the companies are there for.
Luddites were a disgrace...
How about growing a brain, huh? "Oh, those poor Finns, what will they do now?" Better, and cheaper phones will make everyone better off. It is, likely, something worth celebrating, but nooo, our hearts bleed for the few people, who will NOT be needed to make them...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Except that my sony vaio has a GSM modem built-in ;)
One potential aspect of this joint venture that I haven't been able to find any information about is whether it includes transfer of stakes in Symbian OS? I don't imagine it would considering it is the network divisions, not the phone divisions. However, if it does it might push Nokia over 50% ownership.
PS: When visiting symbian.com at work, don't leave out the m! Looks like I'm going to be getting visit from the network overlords. Grumble, grumble.
If this were really happening, what would you think?