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Google Launches Cost Per Action AdSense

rustybrick writes "Google has launched an invite only test of CPA (cost per action) AdSense ads. So instead of getting paid per click or per impression, you now can get paid for an action, such as a sale or lead referral."

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  1. That's where the money is. by celardore · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The point of sale or is right where the money is, so it makes sense to test the market with it. I'm sure that Google would deem a direct referal to a sale to be worth more too. It will be interesting to see how the revenue for the publisher and the costs for the marketer woulr work out.

  2. This is something I've been waiting for by Orange+Crush · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Working at a company that manages pay-per-click ads, pay per action is something we've been waiting for a long time to come over the horizon. I'm so glad Google's rolling it out, even if it is only on a test basis.

    "Clicks" are abstract concepts and very difficult to sell to less tech-savvy business people. They want a better measure of their return on investment for their ad campaigns. A number of companies offer call tracking, which is easier for businesses to grok . . . but a call != a sale . . . or even an actual lead.

    This is a welcome step in the right direction, IMHO.

  3. Trust issue by crummyname · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How do I trust that the advertisers will accurate report sales generated by my leads?

    1. Re:Trust issue by shird · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I imagine Google would use your reporting of conversions to determine how effective your ad is, which in turn would affect how often it is displayed. If you report no conversions, youre ad wouldn't show up as often. Report plenty of conversions, and your ad is more likely to be shown. So it would be in your interest to accurately report your conversion rate.

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  4. Who on earth clicks on ads? Do you? by Bromskloss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I still don't get it! (and sorry for nagging about it, again) Is there a single Slashdotter here who clicks on ads? (assuming you haven't got them filtered (thank you, Firefox extensions)) I'm not sure I have even done it for experimental purposes. I _never_ do it. Not the flashy ones, not the discreet text ones. Why would anyone do it? If you're looking for something, you go get it. If not, you don't want anyone telling you to go get it. Gah, giving up control of yourself like that!

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    1. Re:Who on earth clicks on ads? Do you? by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I still don't get it! (and sorry for nagging about it, again) Is there a single Slashdotter here who clicks on ads?
      Yes, especially on niche hobby forums where the ads are very often for things that both meet my interests and with which I was not previously familiar. Ads, in any medium, can be useful; OTOH, they can also be stupid. I don't block ads (I do block popups) -- if I site has ads that annoy me, I avoid the site.
    2. Re:Who on earth clicks on ads? Do you? by Bloodwine77 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have never clicked on an ad to immediately buy something, but I admit that I have occasionally clicked on an ad to get more information.

      Case in point, on Slashdot not too long ago I clicked on an advertisement for rsync.net because I've been trying to think of a good backup solution for one of my colocated servers. It was at rsync.net that I was introduced to the wonderful world of FUSE and SSHFS. I then googled a bit and installed FUSE and SSHFS on one of my other servers and now I use an SSH filesystem mount to backup files from the colocated server to another colocated server at Rackspace that has managed backups.

      I would have never known about SSHFS if it weren't for advertisements on Slashdot.

      Of course, this means I didn't give my business to rsync.net!

  5. Yeah, but who will actually see this crap? by KiloByte · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem is: most people on /. either know how to use Adblock (and thus don't see this kind of bullshit), or show ads themselves (being on the webmaster's side of the deal and thus being a part of the problem themselves).

    For now, the "mere mortals" cope with the problem, just like they accept Windows and spyware, but with more than 33% of all http requests being relate to adverts, the situation just goes worse and worse.

    Those who win: Google and advertisers.
    Those who lose: users and network providers.

    The current state of net advertising is that someone else is paid for stealing your time and your bandwidth.

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    1. Re:Yeah, but who will actually see this crap? by shmlco · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a user you're probably paying a fixed rate for bandwidth anyway, so you're not paying any more money to get the ads as opposed to blocking the ads. Given that fact, one could make a good case that you're "wasting" your bandwidth by blocking ads, as otherwise your paid line is sitting there unused.

      And if you want to use the "stealing" metaphor, let's not forget that by blocking ads you're in effect "stealing" the content they've provided without "paying" for it.

      Of course, I'd expect someone who refers to others as "mere mortals" to regard themselves as above such silly considerations, and probably a charter member of the "if they didn't want it stolen they shouldn't have published it" crowd.

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  6. Re:Oh crap... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's exactly what I was thinking.

    With a pay-per-click I don't really care what gets advertised on my site as long as its relevant to the content of the site (which, thanks to Google, it is). I'm getting paid for sending folks there way.

    With a pay-per-action system, I'll have to care about what gets advertised on my site, because if no sale is made, I don't make any money. So I'm not going to want to advertise (say) $3,000 hottubs, because even if it does result in a sale, its probably not going to be purchased immediately after follwing my link. Likewise, I'm not going to want to advertise for sites that make it difficult to make purchases or don't effectively sell their products.

    And when you think about it, why shouldn't I be paid for helping spread brand recognition, regardless of the immediate results? Billboard space isn't leased based on the number of people who make a purchase after viewing the billboard. It is leased based on the number (and demographic) of people expected to see it.

  7. Re:Advertiser Fraud by leonmergen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, since the CPA ads are in a separate pool... will this pool also work in a similar way as the "other" pool, as in, that the highest-revenue ads are the most likely to be picked?

    If this is a case, an advertisers who frauds will logically be picked less and less, so the damage done will not be that big. Something along this line sounds like a "natural" solution to the problem, /me thinks..

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  8. Re:Advertiser Fraud by Ark42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm more worried about the 3rd party advertiser committing fraud, since that is basically all Commission Junction seemed to be back when I tried it. I paid lots of good money to sign up for a service where 3rd parties would place ads linking to my website on their webpage via CJ, but almost every single sale that results from that channel was the 3rd party themselves using a stolen CC and placing an order so that I pay CJ, CJ takes a cut of the money, and the advertiser who placed the fraudulent sale gets a cut of the money, then I get stuck with a bunch of chargebacks. CJ really didn't have any incentive to stop that kind of behavior, or weed those people out, since they still get a cut of all the sales themselves either way.

  9. I do because I like the internet by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If everyone blocked ads you'd have no internet to block ads from.

    I do click on ads, for some sites I like a lot I make sure to follow ads every now and again. But mostly I click on an add if I find the content interested, so very targeted ads are more likely to reach me. Interestingly I'd say the site I visit ads from most often is Penny Arcade, and not just out of support but because I am interested.

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  10. Re:Advertiser Fraud by panaceaa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Then what do you does Google do with all the stuff they just bought? Return it? That doesn't sound like an attractive proposition for online retail stores.

  11. +4? by mnemonic_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is one of the least insightful posts I've ever read. Yes, sales make money; this is true. "It will be interesting" ok, anything else?

  12. It already does work by NineNine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It already does work better than per-click for many reasons. The porn industry switched from per-click to per-sale, for the most part, about 5 years ago. Of course, as always, the porn industry online is ahead of the curve.

    1. Re:It already does work by rtaylor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course, as always, the porn industry online is ahead of the curve.

      There are few industries with as many curves...

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  13. Re:Oh crap... by panaceaa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're worrying too much. Google has just as much interest in receiving revenue from the advertising placement as you do. If someone posts an ad for $3,000 hottubs and the conversion rate is excessively small, Google won't want to display the ad either. Instead they'll display an ad that's more likely to result in conversion, and you'll both get to prance around in happy land.

  14. This is a very limited market. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Most internet users look at different sites and compare before making a final decision to purchase something. Anyone that has a website with shopping carts that allows users to save should know this -- users come back later or don't come back at all and THEN they buy. If it's a shopping cart model, then you could store the referrer as well (google), but the question is, what else do you store? What they searched for? Does google get a flat fee if they come back to the site and buy something different? What if you don't have a shopping cart save, or they come back 10 days later for something else -- does google get the money because they ONCE visited the site via an ad???? Charging by action isn't just technically complicated in terms of integration and compliance, it's logically a fuzzy area -- between the cost of integration and the increased visibility google would have into the businesses (think wal-mart and its supply chain), many sellers may resist this model. Marketing is a process, not a one shot deal, and suggesting that a single ad is actionable is inflates the importance of a small part of the whole process of building a customer relationship and a brand and selling products.

  15. Re:Advertiser Fraud by blooba · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The "other" pool to which you refer is a process known as yield optimization. All the P4P companies do it. They all have algorithms that determine which ads get served where, based on click-through rates and revenue. I imagine that most companies use the good old greedy algorithm.

    Fraud detection is actually much easier with actions than with clicks. Sure, there will be some credit card fraud, but no more so than any other retail transaction.

  16. Re:Advertiser Fraud by kesuki · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All I have to say is that companies who resort to 'fraud' aren't going to be fooling anyone for very long, and in the long run they will only hurt their own reputations.