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Lab Tuned to Gravity's 'Ripples'

Krishna Dagli writes "One of the great scientific experiments of our age is now fully underway. Success would confirm fundamental physical theories and open a new window on the Universe, enabling scientists to probe the moment of creation itself. The experiment is trying to detect ripples created in the fabric of space-time that sweep out from merging black holes or exploding stars and detection would be a final test of Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity. "

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  1. Re:Will they measure the speed of gravity as well? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Right now we are uncertain of the exact speed of gravity.

    We are always "uncertain" about the exact value of any physical quantity, because no quantity can be measured with infinite precision.

    There is very little doubt that the speed of gravity is equal to the speed of light.

    Some measurements resulted in speed between 0.8 and 1.2 times the speed of light

    The Taylor-Hulse pulsar measurements have measured the accuracy of that speed to within a few percent, much better than the 20% figure you cite. Furthermore, most of the gravitational physics community is convinced that the experiment mentioned did not measure the speed of gravity (as the Wikipedia article alludes to).

    If the speed of gravity is greater than the speed of light, does that violate the general relativity?

    Yes. It also violates special relativity and the laws of cause and effect.

    It is important that we find what gravity is, because if it is a wave of particles, then maybe there is a possibility to find a way to shield gravity away.

    Gravity being "a wave of particles" does not imply that it can be shielded, and gravitational wave detectors are unlikely to tell us anything about that issue.

    Even if it were possible to "shield gravity" (very unlikely), it is almost certainly impossible to do it with any realistic technology, because we already have a thorough understanding of gravity on the scales that our technology can reach in the forseeable future.

    A little realism: LIGO and its kin may teach us something new about gravity near neutron stars and black holes, but the most likely outcome is that it will simply serve as a telescope to probe astrophysical phenomena not detectable in visible light. It is very farfetched to think that it will lead to antigravity or any Star Trek type applications.

  2. You can participate by mike449 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am surprised nobody mentioned Einstein@home - http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/.
    This experiment uses distributed computing to process their results,
    and you can participate.

  3. Re:let me be more precise by Open_The_Box · · Score: 3, Informative

    OK. I wasn't going to get involved in this thread, but I really have to jump on that one.

    It's not just about confirming Einstein's theory of general relativity. Or, in fact any of the other relativistic gravitational theories - most (if not all - been a while since I checked on the basic theory and they might have come up with some new ones) of which require the existence of gravitational waves. It's not simply a case of checking that the theory is correct - there are indirect measurements which have already done this, it's about directly detecting something we're sure is there. Don't get me wrong; in part, you're correct - if the outcome is negative, then we can set an upper limit (i.e. the waves must be of lower magnitude than X at frequency Y). This in itself allows corroboration with cosmological models and provides a valuable experimental check against predictions of numerical relativity such as the strain effect on space due to the merger of black holes.

    But when a positive detection is made it will provide confirmation/empirical data on the processes involved in such violent astronomical phenomena. What are the physical processes involved in the inspiral of a binary system? Do pulsars with asymmetrical mass distribution really lose energy as gravitational waves? We know about the cosmic microwave background, what about the gravitational wave stochastic background?

    It's not just a case of "There's a peak on the trace! Well, that's our job done! Who's for tea and biscuits?" The potential gains in knowledge of astronomy, astrophysics and even particle physics are vast. Not to mention the gains in laser technologies, control systems, material science and computational analysis that such a project brings. Just by designing and building these instruments we push the boundaries of what's known. Of course there will still be tea and biscuits (well, maybe beer and doughnuts) but that's half the fun right there.

    OK. Rant over. Everyone back on your heads.

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