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Font Raid Spells Trouble for Publisher

rs232 writes to tell us The Register is reporting on a publishing firm that got fined for using unlicensed fonts. The firm claimed to only be actively using one font, but was found to be using approximately 11,000. In addition to their font headaches, the firm was also found to be unlicensed on 95% of their Adobe software and 75% of their Microsoft software — talk about a bad week.

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  1. Ouch. by Kid+Zero · · Score: 5, Funny

    Unlicensed software is always font of trouble in the business world, it seems.

  2. New Font Released soon! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft Sans Licence.

  3. Re:the beast of the nature by GGardner · · Score: 5, Funny
    Every new article I read about any of these pushes me further from commercial offerings (not that that is any great deal anymore).

    I'm sorry, but this is an unlicensed thought. Please change your mind or pay up.

  4. Re:Licensing woes by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 5, Funny

    lol... "Oh shit, it's the WinZip police! Hide!"

    It's all about cost versus risk. In this case, the risk of WinZip stormtroopers crashing through the skylight and throwing flash-bangs is so low as to be laughable. Microsoft, not so much...

  5. Re:Licensing woes by totallygeek · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's all about cost versus risk. In this case, the risk of WinZip stormtroopers crashing through the skylight and throwing flash-bangs is so low as to be laughable. Microsoft, not so much...


    I would have thought the same thing about fonts.

  6. Re:What the heck is the BSA? by taniwha · · Score: 5, Funny

    Th Boy Scouts of America are a paramilitary organization known for tieing their opposition up in knots ....

  7. Re:Wha...? by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny
    How is it even possible to use 11,000 different type faces??
    Ever read Wired Magazine in the 1990s?
  8. Re:Wha...? by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not that hard, actually. Remember that high-end fonts (which is what I'm assuming we are talking about here) have seperate faces for bold, italic, bold-italic, smallcaps, 'light', 'display', 'caption', and any and all combinations of the above. One font-family can easily include thirty or so fonts, all of which are sold seperately. (Or, of course, you can buy the bundle. But if you don't acutally need the caption-oblique version and a few others it might not be worth the whole bundle.)

    So, a couple hundred font-families is several thousand actual fonts. For a publishing house, where you need the right font for every occasion, that's a small collection.

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  9. Re:the beast of the nature by spun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In the publishing business, managing your fonts is an important part of doing business. Technically, I'm not even sure that customers are allowed to include fonts, but they do it all the time. Typefaces are not copyrightable, but computer generated fonts count as programs, and so they are copyrightable. Generally speaking, if I bought a page layout program, "PageFoo," and my printing house did not own a copy, I could not include a copy of PageFoo with my files to enable that printing house to print them out. Is it technically legal to do the same with font files unless the license permits this? I don't think so. Does everyone do it anyway? Yes. Do publishers keep customer font around in case the customer forgets to send it in? All the time.

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  10. I told you! :-) by writermike · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Gahdammit. I am one of hundreds of thousands of /. users and NO ONE listened to my prophetic vision back in April? Dammit. I called the cops. They wouldn't listen either. I am just too darned potent! ;-)

    Uh... Oh... maybe the didn't listen to me.

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    I've worked with and on computers for nearly thirty years and I'm frequently surprised by the amount of piracy in workplaces. Oh, I'm not talking about out-right piracy like bittorrented copies of cracked Photoshop, but lots of little things.

    For instance, I've worked in commercial printers that literally had thousands of typefaces. Let's say you have a job you need printed on a printing press. You collect all the images, layout files, typefaces, etc., and you send that to the printer. The printer is supposed to delete those fonts when the job is complete. They don't, of course, so you have millions of pirated typefaces out there.

    Another example: images that are only supposed to be used once, logos "retouched" and used in other publications, templates you're supposed to pay for obtained from non-traditional (i.e. free) sources, trials that miraculously seem to go on forever, etc.

    Stuff like this happens in all kinds of offices all over the planet. There are so many companies out there who, if they took a real and honest accounting of the software and tools and plug-ins they have, would find that if they did actually purchase everything they own, they'd likely not have half of it. And if they did, they would have spent themselves into bankruptcy. But they rationalize that it's all necessary, it's something they need to do in order to do business. Indeed, many companies couldn't perform some of their services without the stuff they obtained.

    I dunno. I think that, one day, someone really large with lots and lots of locations and chances to pirate stuff is going to get slammed with a huge fine and it's going to open a very large can of worms. If Best Buy really did use Winternals products illegally, it would not surprise me in the slightest, and it would be very, very typical of most companies, large and small.

    P.S. And, yes, I can't claim my hands are completely clean.

    P.P.S. Don't copy that floppy.

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  11. Re:Wha...? by Rorschach1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    How is it even possible to use 11,000 different type faces??

    You've never been on MySpace, have you?

  12. Re:Fonts = Typefaces = not protected in the USA by avalys · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the US, you can copyright the program that draws a font: i.e. the Truetype font definition file.

    However, you cannot copyright the font design itself: meaning, if someone wants to design their own font that looks exactly like yours, they're free to do so.

    I'm guessing what this company did falls into the former category, which would still be illegal in the US.

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  13. Re:Wha...? by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Funny

    How is it even possible to use 11,000 different type faces?

    One overenthusiastic manager and a copy of Powerpoint.

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  14. Re:the beast of the nature by WoodstockJeff · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The problem is complicated by the fact that some fonts can arrive as part of other people's documents and can sometimes stay, unlicensed, on a network.

    And the fact that several Microsoft and Adobe applications will "helpfully" insert font files into documents and even emails so that you can have a proper "presentation" with the end user (who might not have the same fonts installed) doesn't do much for anyone trying to keep things legal. If I open a PDF with embedded fonts, am I now a pirate?

  15. Re:Widespread by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do it. You know you want to do it. DO IT.

  16. Re:Simple solution by anaesthetica · · Score: 5, Funny
    The simplest solution is to use Courier or Courier New. Noone uses typewriters anymore, so it will confuse everyone and set you apart from everyone else.
    Why isn't your post in courier new then?
  17. Other side of coin by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 5, Interesting
    On the other side of the coin, I wonder how much software is paid for but never used?

    Windows licenses on computers running Linux.
    Software purchased, but never installed.
    Software lost or stolen and identical replacements bought.
    Software purchased and installed on computers that are no longer in use because either the computer was replaced with a newer one, or the company has gone out of business.
    Volume purchases that over-buy the actual amount needed or used.
    Other causes.

    I never hear figures given on excess and redundant software purchases.

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  18. Re:the beast of the nature by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Go get some free fonts and leave the "trendy" fonts to the companies willing to eat eachother and their customers alive. There are font creators out there who want you to use their fonts without their pound of flesh, but they are being driven away from a very controversial and cruel industry.

    You're joking, right? Most of the free fonts offered online are not suitable for publishing. Commercial fonts are carefully, painstakingly tweaking for maximum visual effect, and most font hobbyists just can't put that much time into theirs.

    Furthermore, these free fonts usually have limited coverage of Unicode. What can you do with them if you have to typeset a text with many usual glyphs, such as IPA characters, Eastern European Latin characters, or even non-Latin scripts such as Cyrillic, Arabic, or CJK?

    There are only a very few free-in-as-freedom fonts that are actually of sufficient quality that publishers can use them. The Computer Modern fonts used with the TeX typesetting engine is one example, but that's only appropriate for the sciences, and if you want a TeX font for the humanities you have to cough up money for the Lucida commercial font.