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Is Distributed Computing Being Distributed Badly?
Carl Bialik from WSJ writes "Distributed computing could help researchers studying climate change or Alzheimer's, but SETI@home's search for extra-terrestrial intelligence continues to dominate. Wall Street Journal columnist Lee Gomes says that's a big waste, especially because SETI doesn't seem likely to yield results: 'This continued fascination with living-room SETI comes as professional setiologists concede that early assumptions about the search for intelligent life -- notably those popularized by astronomer Carl Sagan -- have proven naively optimistic. For instance, it's now conceded there is little chance of detecting the "leaking" transmissions of another planet -- its version of "I Love Lucy" broadcasts. Those signals are too weak to stand out from the universe's background noise.' Gomes also traces the origins of SETI@home to Berkeley computer scientist David P. Anderson, and explains that users stuck with the ET search rather than medical investigations in part because of nationalistic competition. Yet Anderson no longer runs SETI@home. 'Instead, he donates his spare computer power to a global warming project. But he doesn't presume to tell others what they ought to be doing with their CPU cycles.'"
Right now I'm attached SETI, Einstein, Rosetta & LHC. It works on one for a bit and then will switch to another for a bit. And so what if SETI@home will never find anything, it's a cool looking screen saver!
"Instead, he donates his spare computer power to a global warming project"
Does this attempt to determine how much global warming is being caused by donating CPU cycles.
I think that issue is answered pretty well in the FAQ. When it comes to the real experiments being run by that particular project and their results, you can start here.
Being bitter is drinking poison and hoping someone else will die
of course the WSJ would much rather you where crunching numbers for their drugs companies under the guise of "fighting cancer" or "protein folding" so your results can be turned into their profit (you didnt think that cure/treatment would be free like your CPU did you?)
From the Folding@Home FAQ:
"Folding@home is run by an academic institution (specifically the Pande Group, at Stanford University's Chemistry Department), which is a nonprofit institution dedicated to science research and education. We will not sell the data or make any money off of it.
Moreover, we will make the data available for others to use. In particular, the results from Folding@home will be made available on several levels. Most importantly, analysis of the simulations will be submitted to scientific journals for publication, and these journal articles will be posted on the web page after publication. Next, after publication of these scientific articles which analyze the data, the raw data of the folding runs will be available for everyone, including other researchers, here on this web site."
Being bitter is drinking poison and hoping someone else will die
No unix/linux clients, but then I don't really want my linux boxes running at 100% anyway.
You do know what "nice" means right?
My main linux box is running at 99.7 for Distributed.net but when something else needs CPU time the dnetc process is set for maximum niceness and it gives it up.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Personally, I always felt SETI was not very philanthropic - more like an amusing experiment in grid computing.
I have been running grid.org for many years. They focus on medical research. They provide great features for managing all your computers that run the grid projects. You can even choose which research to participate in. And, to satiate a geek's lust for power, they have rankings for your aggregate compute time.
"No matter where you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai
Personally, I think protein folding is lame because I know that the IP generated is going to be locked up for the next 70 years.
Since people posting FUD gets modded up like crazy here I guess I have to repost this:
From the Folding@home FAQ
"Folding@home is run by an academic institution (specifically the Pande Group, at Stanford University's Chemistry Department), which is a nonprofit institution dedicated to science research and education. We will not sell the data or make any money off of it.
Moreover, we will make the data available for others to use. In particular, the results from Folding@home will be made available on several levels. Most importantly, analysis of the simulations will be submitted to scientific journals for publication, and these journal articles will be posted on the web page after publication. Next, after publication of these scientific articles which analyze the data, the raw data of the folding runs will be available for everyone, including other researchers, here on this web site."
For instance, you can read the 37 papers generated so far here.
Being bitter is drinking poison and hoping someone else will die
And that is why I won't do the ones for the drug companies. My grandfather was denied a chance at surviving cancer in the 60's, but the big drug companies went to the FDA against the doctor who had a good success rate for curing colon/stomach cancer because one of the chemicals used was not FDA approved. The big drug companies are not looking for cures, they are looking for drugs to sell.
Inflation can only go through the roof if the government print lots of extra money. Money's a commodity like anything else, supply and demand.
Do you think inflation is something magic which only applies to money? Did you think money just magically decreases in value? It decreases in value because either nobody wants it (they don't believe it's worth anything) or because there's lots more of it around. e.g. The government prints a load of money to... say... finance a war, instead of raising taxes.
Funnily enough, the dollar has been falling in value rapidly against gold, it's nearly $600 per ounce now. In 2000 it was about $270 per ounce. Hmmm I wonder what is magically causing the dollar to decrease in value over the last few years.
If you live in the US, you have a boatload of inflation coming your way in the next few years.
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If you don't know what to do with your CPU cycles : install Grid Agent from WorldCommunity.org.
It's a grid computing application like SETI@Home, and you can choose which project(s) you want to participate in:
- FightAids@Home,
- Human Proteome Folding,
- Human Proteome Folding - Phase 2.
Hopefully, more projects will start using this same "platform", so we don't have to install one application per project...
As you can see by their actions, rather than their words... Notably at Stanford University, Washington University, Munich University, Scripps Research Institute, Oxford University etc.
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http://folding.stanford.edu/about.html
http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/rah_about.php
http://boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de/boincsimap/project.ph
http://predictor.scripps.edu/about_team.php
http://www.grid.org/projects/cancer/index.htm
So... Who are you again? Yeah, you're a guy reading Slashdot... Getting much research done?
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If these distributed projects were in fact run by the big pharma companies, I would agree with you. But as I have already stated in three earlier posts for this topic, they are in fact not, they are run by universities or non-profit organizations, they make the results publicly available and can research things that the big pharmas don't see much profit in. For instance - medicines for the HIV subtypes currently spreading in poorer nations.
Being bitter is drinking poison and hoping someone else will die
Pro's: 1 You are contributing to scientific research done mostly by universities, which, by definition, are independant / non profit, and do not have the funding for supercomputer hardware. 2 The scientific software is highly optimized for PC processors, with assembly routines and SSE(1,2,3) optimizations, so even though your PC is using maximum power at 100% CPU, it is on the other hand working as efficiently as possible. 3 The newest processor designs are not just faster, but also aim at consuming much less power, so running the projects on these is even more efficient. Con's: PC processors are too general purpose for some tasks, and floating point performance is somewhat weak in e.g. P4's. Specialized hardware provides increased computational performance and on the other hand decreased power consumption. Older PC's have inefficient processors which consume too much power. Just a few considerations ;)
Because the profits in industries like pharmaceuticals arent free market profits, they're derived from artificial government granted monopolies. As a citizen and consumer of such goods, it's therefore entirely reasonable to complain about the level of profit derived from such monopoly legislation, just as it's reasonable to complain about tax money being misused, without wanting to be part of the misuse.
And do take a care to note that about 80% of the patent derived income of the pharmaceuticals is wasted in non R&D activity; that means we'd get _five times_ the current R&D levels for the same money if we simply revoked patent legislation and paid for the R&D outright.