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Slashback: Disney Copyright, Alaa Freed, Kelo Repealed

Slashback tonight brings some clarifications and updates to previous Slashdot stories including: Egyptian blogger Alaa freed from jail, Executive order repeals Kelo decision, Disney's trouble with Pooh bear, NASA engineer fired for opposing shuttle launch, Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance, open source Java months away, and the net neutrality amendment defeated in committee -- Read on for details.

Egyptian blogger Alaa freed from jail. FleaPlus writes "Egyptian blogger, open source advocate, and Slashdot interviewee Alaa Abd El-Fatah has been released from jail. He had been imprisoned for 45 days after being arrested (along with several others) for taking part in a pro-democracy election reform rally, on charges which included "insulting the Egyptian president." In a blog post Alaa describes the conditions he was subjected to in the jail, as well as his worry about the hundreds of other activists who are still in prison."

Executive order defuses Kelo decision. physicsphairy writes "President Bush has issued an executive order whose effect is to undo the previous Kelo decision of the Supreme Court. From the article: 'It is the policy of the United States to protect the rights of Americans to their private property, including by limiting the taking of private property by the Federal Government to situations in which the taking is for public use, with just compensation, and for the purpose of benefiting the general public and not merely for the purpose of advancing the economic interest of private parties to be given ownership or use of the property taken.' The downside is that what was once affirmed consitutionally is now affirmed only in federal law."

Disney's trouble with Pooh bear. bbernard writes "It seems that the same laws that allow the Mouse to continue generating money for Disney have prevented Disney from taking control of Winny the Pooh. The Supreme Court has denied Clare Milne's bid to get the rights back for Pooh and his buddies. Clare is A.A. Milne's granddaughter, and her court battle was funded by Disney, as she was going to reassign the rights to them. Interesting to see a company foiled by the laws they insisted on in the first place, isn't it?"

NASA engineer fired for opposing shuttle launch. quad4b writes to tell us The New York Daily News reports that Charlie Camarda was has been removed from his post at NASA for questioning the safety of this Saturday's launch. From the article: "Camarda's removal heightened the turmoil over NASA Administrator Michael Griffin's decision to take the 'acceptable risk' of launching the Discovery orbiter despite warnings of potentially fatal blastoff debris. Camarda, who flew aboard the troubled flight of Discovery last July, told colleagues in an e-mail that he was fired from his post as chief engineer at Houston's Johnson Space Center and given another NASA engineering job."

Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. An anonymous reader writes "A new insurance company in Sweden is offering a new policy to protect you from the RIAA [Swedish]. For a mere 140 SEK ($19 USD) per year, they will pay all your fines and give you a t-shirt if you get convicted for file sharing. Interesting development in Sweden indeed."

Open source Java months away? bl8n8r writes "A Sun Microsystems Inc. executive said Tuesday said the company is "months" away from releasing its trademark Java programming language under an open-source license. Simon Phipps, chief open-source officer for Sun, said the company is ruminating over two major issues: how to keep Java compatible and ensure no particular company uses market forces as muscle for its own implementation, a move that would threaten Java's "write once, run anywhere" mantra."

Net neutrality amendment defeated in committee. DeathPooky writes "While not the end of the road for net neutrality, the latest vote isn't a good sign. From the article: 'The Senate Commerce Committee on Wednesday rejected a network neutrality amendment, handing cable and phone broadband access providers yet another victory over a coalition that has demanded the application of strict nondiscrimination standards against entities that control access to millions of Internet users. The panel voted 11 to 11 to defeat an amendment sponsored by Sens. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) and Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.), who had backing from Google, Yahoo!, eBay, Amazon, Microsoft and other firms that deliver voice, video, and information services and applications.' All 10 Democrats on the committee, as well as Republican co-sponsor Sen. Snowe, voted for the amendment. The other 11 Republicans voted against."

260 comments

  1. Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why does this remind me of Volcano Insurance from family guy?

    1. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      That depends whether it's only valid in Sweden, or if us Americans can get it too. For us, $19/year is a bargain!

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    2. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Commit piracy and get a free T-shirt PLUS all your fines paid???!!! Sign me up! I'd pay that small price for those bonuses. Oh why did I have to be born in the country I was... Grrr...

    3. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by AxsDeny · · Score: 2, Funny

      Touché salesman.

      I too have an uncle.

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    4. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by suffe · · Score: 1


      Yes, offering insurance for this is a great idea. Not for the reasons that might pop in to peoples head though. If I remember my, somewhat meager, law classes correctly then you can not contractually take on liability for illegal actions. This sounds to me like the companies that insure you against speeding tickets. Sure, they might pay up when you make your claim, they might just as easily say "Hell no!", take the money and run when the shit hits the fan. You won't have a legal leg to stand on.

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    5. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by Arker · · Score: 1

      That depends whether it's only valid in Sweden, or if us Americans can get it too. For us, $19/year is a bargain!

      Sadly, the answer is no.

      Tankafritt.nu verkar bara i sverige och tar inte emot medlemmar från andra länder.

      Which says it only applies in Sweden and will not accept members from other countries. Which only makes sense. The cost of litigation is far higher here.

      I really love the domain name, in english it would be 'thinkfree.now' - quite appropriate.

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    6. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by antic · · Score: 2, Insightful


      New RIAA scheme:

      1. Start RIAA insurance company
      2. Wait for P2P-using "pirates" to sign up
      3. Send each of them a settlement offer for $2k ;)

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    7. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by d97mno · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually it doesn't mean 'thinkfree.now' you are confusing "tänka fritt" and "tanka fritt", the first one is literally 'think freely' while the second one means 'fill up freely' or considering Swedish slang 'download freely'. Allthough one might make the point that since special characters are not allowed in URLs, at least not widely, there is a nice ambiguity to it.

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    8. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by ThomasW · · Score: 1, Informative

      This way of making an insurance of it is not a new thing here in Sweden. We alreay have http://www.planka.nu/ which will pay your fines if you get caught not paying in the subway.

      It's not really an insurance, more of a solidarity fund...

    9. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by salec · · Score: 1

      Hmm, what about obligatory car insurance? You pay up front insurance fee and if you are responsible for accident, insurance company pays for damage on other driver's car. If we follow that analogy with existing insurance policy, then they wouldn't pay your penalties (fines) mandated by law and ordered by judge in criminal process, only the damages RIAA sue you for, if they win, in civil litigation.

    10. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 1
      If I remember my, somewhat meager, law classes correctly then you can not contractually take on liability for illegal actions.


      I think the insurance is more to protect the occasional "granny" who gets accused of filesharing because someone else used her computer to get the music. Why a granny would even be aware or consider the need for this insurance, I'm not sure. But it's more like it should be called I have a teenage grandkid that visits me often and uses my computer insurance, instead of RIAA insurance.
    11. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Which says it only applies in Sweden and will not accept members from other countries. Which only makes sense. The cost of litigation is far higher here.

      Oh, in that case it really is like "volcano insurance" since there'd be no grounds for the RIAA to sue anyone in Sweden to begin with -- it's $19/year to protect from nothing.

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    12. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by Rick.C · · Score: 1

      Why does this remind me of a sting operation?

      You pay your $19 and get put on a list of active downloaders. Not just any downloaders, but ones who think they are doing something illegal enough that they need insurance.

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    13. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and the second field on the signup sheet is your social security number. To be fair, Swedes don't have to rely on security-by-obscurity regarding the SSNs like we USians do.

    14. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they're not liable for the speeding ticket, they're guilty of fraud. Maybe not a good deal for you, still, but they'd go to jail.

    15. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by suffe · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the real world, where it is not illegal to be in an accident. Well, at least not in Sweden. I can't talk for other countries. It might not be good, but then again, you won't be arrested for it. On the other hand, if you drive head on in to a school class of children while screaming "I'm going to take you down" then good luck with that insurance you've got. See the difference? Legal/Not-legal.

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    16. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by suffe · · Score: 1

      I highly doubt it. It is sort of these contracts that contain every disclaimer under the sky for one side and only demands on the other. You can sign every paper on earth stating that you give up the rights granted to you by Swedish law as a consumer (while dealing with a company) yet you still retain those rights and the other party of the contract simply can't enforce them. No jail, just not enforceable. Of course, it is a bit more complex then that, but in essence, this is how it is.

      Like I said in another reply, this is from SWEDEN. Best of luck trying to convince your local judge to apply the same rules to you in case you live in some other place. Unlike the impression I get of the American legal system where the law is there to set down strict rules so that you can know what happens if you do this or that or this, Swedish law asks the question "Who should we protect in case of a problem". You see, there are most always two sides to every coin and not everything can be solved in the pure sense of "justice".

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    17. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by Arker · · Score: 1

      Yes, I understand tanka, and I assumed they meant tänka instead. As you mention, that happens frequently with URLs.

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    18. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by salec · · Score: 1

      Apparently you misunderstood my post. Car insurance is there so that you can't say "Oups, I'm sorry, I damaged (or caused damge to) your new fancy car(s) with my rolling wreck here (may it rest in pieces now as it fell apart after we hit) but you see, I don't OWN enaugh of anything to make it up to you". So, in my country (and I am somehow sure that it is so in Sweeden and most other countries, too), insurance company will pay for the damage you caused on other's cars (and raise the amount you pay for insurance next time, as your odds are now lower).

      However, that is of course, not all that you are due, although it is all that concernes insurance company.

      In most cases, the accident is consequence of not observing the law that regulates rules of the road traffic. Therefore, if you caused a severe accident, it is very likely that you will be booked by traffic police and later summoned before magistrate court, where in most cases you will be ordered to pay fine, surrender your driving licence for fixed amount of time (in some countries even for good... or untill you pass drivers exam again). I am not quite sure (couldn't find the law on the web), but I believe that even if you didn't kill anyone, but "just" caused severe injury or endangered lives by extreme recklessness or disrespect to traffic safety regulations, you may be even sentenced to jail.

      So, I never saw anyone beeing *arrested* by traffic police on the scene of accident, but if you were extremely dangerous driver, you may as well serve time by sentence of the magistrate. When you think about it, especially from the victims' viewpoint, the nature of (attempted) unintentional manslaughter or injury is not somehow less serious just because it takes place in context of traffic.

      Drive carefully.

    19. Re:Swedish pirates provide RIAA insurance. by suffe · · Score: 1

      It would seem I did. I take it all back. =)

      Like I said though, Swedish law generaly takes a different viewpoint. Again, I'm not even close to a lawer and the classes I've taken has been more about general law and finanse related law. Still, it DOES make a different from the laws viewpoint if the nature was intentional or unintentional. Now, if you do things wrecklessly (or under the influence of some substance for that matter) yet unintentional then we are talking about an entirely different thing.

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  2. Disney learns.... by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 4, Funny

    the infallibility of karma. It is not so forgiving...

    1. Re:Disney learns.... by truthsearch · · Score: 1

      Really? I get modded down every rare once in a while and I'm still at Karma: Excellent.

      Problem is Disney hasn't built much positive karma in the last many years. But it would take a massive amount of mod points for us to silence them.

    2. Re:Disney learns.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Another lesson has to be that nothing good comes out of enlisting the help from the dumber half of Sonny and Cher.

      Watch out for that tree!

    3. Re:Disney learns.... by Firehed · · Score: 1

      I'm sure if Congress takes bribes, CowboyNeal and CmdrTaco will. And I'd wager they'll cave for a whole lot less, too.

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    4. Re:Disney learns.... by d99-sbr · · Score: 1

      Really? I get modded down every rare once in a while and I'm still at Karma: Excellent.

      Might it be that your name is Earl?

  3. Kelo Untouched by blamanj · · Score: 5, Informative

    While the executive order makes for nice PR, it has no effect on Kelo or any other action taken by local governments. Bush's order only applies to Federal emiment domain. Furthermore, it's probably really only good as "advice" to the Attorney General. If you want to get a law passed, you actually have to go through Congress, not that the Bush administration cares to bother with respectin separation of powers.

    1. Re:Kelo Untouched by alshithead · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And of course Federal eminent domain isn't being used like state eminent domain. It is used much less frequently and affects a much smaller group of people. Many states are rightly revising their eminent domain laws because of a couple of well publicized cases. It has been far too easy for local/state governments to take people's property away and this is one area where you might be able to say that the local/state electoriate is actually affecting policy in a big way. Of course, it doesn't hurt that rich people don't want their property taken for "local economic improvements" either.

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    2. Re:Kelo Untouched by truthsearch · · Score: 1

      That's exactly right. The executive order is an order to every member of the executive branch. Certain acts of congress give the president discretionary powers, making some executive orders effectively law, but not in this case AFAIK.

    3. Re:Kelo Untouched by anaesthetica · · Score: 5, Informative

      Executive Orders function as law until repealed by the President, overruled by subsequent Congressional legislation, or perhaps overturned by the Supreme Court (although I'm unaware of the Supreme Court ever hearing a case to decide the constitutionality of a specific Executive Order). They are most certainly legally-binding on the actions of the federal government and not just "good advice."

    4. Re:Kelo Untouched by Tx · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, wikipedia disagrees with you, FWIW.

      Presidents of the United States have issued executive orders since 1789. There is no United States Constitution provision or statute that explicitly permits this, aside from the vague grant of "executive power" given in Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution and the statement "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" in Article II, Section 3.

      Most executive orders are orders issued by the President to United States executive officers to help direct their operation, the result of failing to comply being removal from office. Some orders do have the force of law when made in pursuance of certain Acts of Congress due to those acts giving the President discretionary powers.


      If wikipedia is accurate, then an executive order only has force of law if made with the backing of a congressional act. Also sounds like you couldn't be jailed or fined for ignoring it.

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    5. Re:Kelo Untouched by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Indeed. When local governments mess with peoples' property, they cause otherwise rational people to construct killdozers and go on rampages of mass destruction. (scroll past the annoying bit to the story, it really is worth it)

    6. Re:Kelo Untouched by Steve+B · · Score: 1
      While the executive order makes for nice PR, it has no effect on Kelo or any other action taken by local governments. Bush's order only applies to Federal emiment domain.

      And, of course, it can be reversed at the stroke of a pen by Bush or any future president.

      Federal legislation would be a bit harder to undo, and has the further advantage of possibly having a strong influence on state/local governments (if it includes a "don't do this if you like the idea of ever getting federal funds again" clause).

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    7. Re:Kelo Untouched by iocat · · Score: 1

      Actually, it carries the same weight as law, in practice, because the AG reports to the president, so if the president is like "yo, don't do this," the AG won't. It doesn't have the same force of law in that future execs could overrule it. Executive orders are something all presidents do. Clinton had one notable one that banned logging on huge swaths of previously loggable federal land.

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    8. Re:Kelo Untouched by M0b1u5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Eminent Domain" - LOL - what bullshit. It sounds like a boy band.

      What you really mean is "Compulsory Purchase".

      Never trust lawyers to name ANYTHING!

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    9. Re:Kelo Untouched by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Executive Branch is unilaterally responsible for engaging in executive functions (including those which invoke the Eminent Domain clause of the Constitution), pursuant to the powers granted to it by the Constitution and those granted in statute by the Legislature. Therefore, if the head of the Executive Branch says in an executive order that his government shall not do X, and X is not otherwise required by legislation, then X will not happen (under penalty of being fired - and possibly civil or criminal penalty if an agent of the government does not comply with the executive order, depending on the circumstances). (Obviously, this ignores cases where the executive branch doesn't follow up on violations of the order, in particular when X might be something done in secret.)

      In this case, since the federal government, per executive order, is not to take property via eminent domain when the property won't be used specifically for the public good, the federal government simply won't do it. No other part of the federal government has the capability to exercise such power, so the order is as good as law until a subsequent president revokes the policy, even though it's not statute.

      It's essentially the same thing as a federal regulation - these are things defined not in statute, but rather by the Executive Branch of the government. Some things in the CFR are there because the legislature specifically requires them, while others are regulations crafted under the broad discretion that Congress sometimes gives. In the case of the anti-Kelo executive order, (fairly) broad discretion is granted by the Constitution, and the executive order sets a specific procedure under which that power is exercised. The entirety of the federal Executive Branch must abide by that order (under penalty of at least getting fired, and possibly incurring substantial civil damages against oneself if one attempts to bypass the order), and so it's as good as law as long as it's not revoked.

    10. Re:Kelo Untouched by alshithead · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yup. I absolutely mean "Compulsory Purchase". Hell, even that's way too polite for what it is. Don't show up on my property and say you want it for your town, county, state or federal project because it will help SOMEONE ELSE make money. I might have to go Rambo or Charles Bronson on someone if I don't have a really, really good reason to persuade me that giving up my property is the best thing for a whole lotta people and ME.

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    11. Re:Kelo Untouched by tambo · · Score: 2, Informative
      While the executive order makes for nice PR, it has no effect on Kelo or any other action taken by local governments.

      As well it shouldn't - such an order would be an unjustified intrusion into the powers reserved to the states, and hence unconstitutional under the Tenth Amendment.

      Furthermore, it's probably really only good as "advice" to the Attorney General.

      Not just the AG, but the entire executive branch - which is almost always the branch that invokes eminent domain on behalf of the federal government. From TFA: "The Attorney General shall: (i) issue instructions to the heads of departments and agencies to implement the policy..., (ii) monitor takings by departments and agencies for compliance...," etc.

      But you're correct that this is pretty limited, since virtually all eminent domain cases involve a state or local government. Nor could it (unless it were done in another manner, e.g., tied to state funding via the commerce clause.) And it's further weakened by the host of exceptions - see Sec. 3.

      ...not that the Bush administration cares to bother with respectin separation of powers.

      Generally I agree with you, but in this case, your vitriol is unsupported. Also, the headline here ("Kelo repealed"... the decision "undo[es] the previous Kelo decision") is completely wrong and misleading and stupid. The poster, physicsphairy, should stick with physics.

      (For once,) Bush isn't trumping the statement of the judiciary - he's not even addressing it, since his order doesn't use the word "constitutionality" at all.

      Read as: "Whether or not the Supreme Court correctly granted us this power, we're ordering ourselves not to use it."

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    12. Re:Kelo Untouched by tambo · · Score: 1
      What you really mean is "Compulsory Purchase".

      Yeah. And we may as well rename the police to the "Ass-Beating Brigade."

      My point is that both powers - police and eminent domain - are forceful powers that can be outrageously abused, but that also can be (and usually are) exercised for the public good. If you break a law, even for a damn good reason, then you're probably going to be arrested (and perhaps roughed up in the ordinary course of police work.) And if your house is in the way of a new and much-needed interplanet^K^K^K^K^K^K^K^K^K^K^K metropolitan highway, then it really sucks to be you, but the public needs your land.

      Of course, with great power comes... nah, never mind, that fruit is too low-hanging.

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    13. Re:Kelo Untouched by tambo · · Score: 1
      And, of course, it can be reversed at the stroke of a pen by Bush or any future president.

      Yeah, but imagine the political backlash. Kelo stands apart from almost every other recent SCOTUS decision by engendering bipartisan, across-the-board irritation. If the majority justices could've been voted out of office, they would have been. (This is one instance where the constitutional checks-and-balances system works admirably well: even though I disagree with the justices, I support their right to rule in their best conscience.)

      Now, Bush may be underwiring his sagging ratings with this feel-good order - but can you really imagine a president announcing that he's changed his mind? Political seppuku, I tell ya...

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    14. Re:Kelo Untouched by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      And if your house is in the way of a new and much-needed interplanet^K^K^K^K^K^K^K^K^K^K^K metropolitan highway, then it really sucks to be...
      ...the general public, because they have no right to take your private property. Of course, that also means they get their *own* property protected.

      When it comes to the disposition of private property, only the people who own it should get votes. After all, it sounds nice to take someone *else's* private property for your use, but not so nice to take *yours*. Eminent domain often offers prices in excess of fair market value, but sellers have every right to demand arbitrarily more than fair market value. If your family has lived on the same plot of land for 150 years, you have every right to refuse to sell, and you also have every right to ask ten, a hundred, or a thousand times the fair market value before you'd even consider parting with it.

      In other words, if the government wants to run a highway, they should have to factor in the *sellers'* prices for the land through each possible route.
    15. Re:Kelo Untouched by Arker · · Score: 1

      Actually, the word you're looking for is 'theft.'

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    16. Re:Kelo Untouched by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Executive Branch is unilaterally responsible for engaging in executive functions (including those which invoke the Eminent Domain clause of the Constitution), pursuant to the powers granted to it by the Constitution and those granted in statute by the Legislature. Therefore, if the head of the Executive Branch says in an executive order that his government shall not do X, and X is not otherwise required by legislation, then X will not happen

      This is why the executive parliamentary model is so much superior to the executive presidential model. In a parliamentary model, power rests with the prime minister, and he can only pass legislation my a majority vote in the parliament. What's more, if he does something outrageous like spy on the states own citizens, he has to go into parilment the next day and be bawled at by the opposition, something executive presidents never have to do. They live in their own, insulated and detached little world, running the country with hardly any oversight for the length of their term. At least prime ministers have their oppositions, and sometimes their backbenchers, watching their backs all the time, often for a place to stick a knife.

      The executive president is simply a holdover from the days of monarchy. Some people simply think that "strong government" needs an eleceted dictator or else it won't be powerful enough to get the job done. Whatever. Time and again the parilimentary model has proved superior, with nearly every jumped up dictator now holding the position of a supreme executive presidency. In some parilentary democracies, that position doesn't even exist.

      So the next time the president is revealed to have been breaking the law and violating your rights, remember that this isn't a bug in the system. It's a feature.

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    17. Re:Kelo Untouched by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this case, since the federal government, per executive order, is not to take property via eminent domain when the property won't be used specifically for the public good, the federal government simply won't do it.

      Yes, but the government has already ruled in the Kelo decision that takings for a private interest are able to be specifically for the public good. So, consistent with the interpretation of law laid out in Kelo, Mr. Bush's executive order has no effect on Kelo-envisioned takings that benefit private entities. Put more simply, Mr. Bush's executive order has no effect.

    18. Re:Kelo Untouched by takeya · · Score: 1

      Things like Kelo are indeed the power of the states. My state, New Hampshire, recently passed a constitutional amendment reclarifying what eminent domain is to be used for, which is only when the government A) can not really use any other land, B) it is for the betterment of the community, C) it must be for explicit public use, not increased tax revenue, and D) the owner must be compensated at the same rate that he would normally settle on selling his house for, not what a government "appraisor" would have him sell it for.

      Not a perfect world, but better.

    19. Re:Kelo Untouched by Mikkeles · · Score: 1
      '... power rests with the prime minister, and he can only pass legislation my a majority vote in the parliament.'

      You may wish to look up "Order in Council"; though this is not exactly the equivalent of Executive Order in that there is minimal backing in legislation. That legislation, however, can transfer an aweful lot to cabinet.

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    20. Re:Kelo Untouched by Pendersempai · · Score: 1

      "No other part of the federal government has the capability to exercise such power"

      Congress does.

    21. Re:Kelo Untouched by tambo · · Score: 1
      When it comes to the disposition of private property, only the people who own it should get votes. After all, it sounds nice to take someone *else's* private property for your use, but not so nice to take *yours*.

      Right. And since we'd need the unanimous consent of about 500 homeowners in order to build any freeway, we can count on never again building a municipal highway in America.

      And yet, highways must be built.

      Why should we tolerate the injustice of forcibly evicting a homeowner based on eminent domain? Because democracy = collective action, and except in the case of unanimity, someone is going to lose or be disappointed. We're balancing individual liberty vs. community progress... and since this is Slashdot, I'll quote Mr. Spock: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

      So where do we draw the line? Let's put someone in charge of the city's best interests, someone who's removed from the biases of the interested parties, and let's have them decide. And if they choose wrongly, we can replace them with someone more trustworthy...

      ...which is exactly the system we have.

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    22. Re:Kelo Untouched by makomk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In a parliamentary model, power rests with the prime minister, and he can only pass legislation my a majority vote in the parliament. What's more, if he does something outrageous like spy on the states own citizens, he has to go into parilment the next day and be bawled at by the opposition, something executive presidents never have to do.

      In theory, possibly. In practice, the UK at least doesn't work that way anymore, no thanks to Tony Blair. Besides, with a suitably well-whipped majority, it has to be something truly outrageous (or just really, really unpopular with the party's MPs - which shouldn't happen too often, if they're chosen correctly) for any law not to go through. To be honest, sometimes I'm not sure even a law declaring him dictator would be blocked, if it was well-worded and sweetened suitably... the newspapers would kick up hell, and the opposition wouldn't be happy, but that doesn't matter.

    23. Re:Kelo Untouched by sesshomaru · · Score: 1
      To be fair, part of the problem is that the UK has the same Supreme Executive President as the United States, currently. Him being George W. Bush.

      Of course, Bush really only directs UK foriegn policy and some domestic policy. I'm sure he leaves the big decisions, such as whether to allow fox hunting or not, to the UK government.

      Hey, Blair needs to think about his future, and a cushy job with the Carlyle Group is probably looking better and better.

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    24. Re:Kelo Untouched by DDX_2002 · · Score: 1
      It's essentially the same thing as a federal regulation - these are things defined not in statute, but rather by the Executive Branch of the government. Some things in the CFR are there because the legislature specifically requires them, while others are regulations crafted under the broad discretion that Congress sometimes gives.

      The first paragraph of your post is right, but I'm not sure you can compare executive orders to regulations. A regulation is binding on everyone and has the force of law because the legislative arm has authorized the regulation to be made. If you break it, you've broken a law. Regulations are laws, they're just laws made by the executive instead of the legislature, but this is okay because the legislature says "we really don't give a damn HOW you do this, we just want to make sure it gets done. We also don't want to be called back to washington every damn time you change the serial number on the forms or the name of the machinery you're planning to use, so please, just take care of the details by regulations you make up yourself in the following enumerated areas: [etc]".

      An executive order by contrast has no statutory or constitutional power behind it and therefore is not a law, except where a previous statute has said the president can do some things by executive order, for much the same reason they allow regulations to be made. Otherwise, an executive order is s basically an overblown memo/press release from the chief telling his various employees and agencies how he wants them to do their job. If I don't work for the government, an executive order isn't binding on my behaviour.

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    25. Re:Kelo Untouched by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Then they can kill you and take the property, way to go.

      Newsflash: Not really your property. can you Drill for oil? claim any mining rights? No? Not really your then is it?

      And yes, I am a home owner, and yes it is crap to take property for someone elses profit. Going 'Rambo' will not solve anything, in fact it would hurt the fight.

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    26. Re:Kelo Untouched by ncc74656 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      When it comes to the disposition of private property, only the people who own it should get votes. After all, it sounds nice to take someone *else's* private property for your use, but not so nice to take *yours*.

      Right. And since we'd need the unanimous consent of about 500 homeowners in order to build any freeway, we can count on never again building a municipal highway in America.

      And yet, highways must be built.

      Nothing in this executive order (or in state and local laws that are being enacted all over the place) would stop eminent domain for needful public works. If your community needs a new freeway, school, or firehouse, eminent domain is still an option (preferably the option of last resort). What is being stopped is the abuse of eminent domain, such as wiping out a residential neighborhood so that a strip mall can be built in its place that'll pay more in taxes.

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    27. Re:Kelo Untouched by alshithead · · Score: 1

      That's said primarily tongue in cheek. Killing a couple of cops and hiding in the North Carolina mountains until caught is not my idea of a successful resolution. You still don't get to keep your property and then you eventually end up in jail for life or possibly killed while being captured. I'd most likely hold out for as much money as possible and then take the money and run. You can bet I'd be really careful about trying to pick another place to buy that seems the least likely to suit some possible future "public use".

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    28. Re:Kelo Untouched by Phoenix+Rising · · Score: 1
      The number of exemptions listed in the Executive Order effectively neuter the entire order. Does the Federal Government ever take private property for reasons outside of those listed below?

      Sec. 3. Specific Exclusions. Nothing in this order shall be construed to prohibit a taking of private property by the Federal Government, that otherwise complies with applicable law, for the purpose of:

      (a) public ownership or exclusive use of the property by the public, such as for a public medical facility, roadway, park, forest, governmental office building, or military reservation;

      (b) projects designated for public, common carrier, public transportation, or public utility use, including those for which a fee is assessed, that serve the general public and are subject to regulation by a governmental entity;

      c) conveying the property to a nongovernmental entity, such as a telecommunications or transportation common carrier, that makes the property available for use by the general public as of right;

      (d) preventing or mitigating a harmful use of land that constitutes a threat to public health, safety, or the environment;

      (e) acquiring abandoned property;

      (f) quieting title to real property;

      (g) acquiring ownership or use by a public utility;

      (h) facilitating the disposal or exchange of Federal property; or

      (i) meeting military, law enforcement, public safety, public transportation, or public health emergencies.

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    29. Re:Kelo Untouched by tambo · · Score: 1
      Nothing in this executive order (or in state and local laws that are being enacted all over the place) would stop eminent domain for needful public works. If your community needs a new freeway, school, or firehouse, eminent domain is still an option (preferably the option of last resort).

      You're missing the context of this discussion thread. The post to which I was responding stated: "When it comes to the disposition of private property, only the people who own it should get votes." I was pointing out the problems with this position.

      As you'll see in my other comments to this post, I like the text of Bush's executive order - and I think that the pre-Kelo eminent domain process was a very good balance. In other words, I agree with you.

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  4. I really hope that part about Java is true by John+Courtland · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... so that I can personally add the 'unsigned' keyword.

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    1. Re:I really hope that part about Java is true by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry to disappoint you, but it's entirely possible (and reasonable!) to open-source an implementation without letting people mess with the standard too.

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    2. Re:I really hope that part about Java is true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unsigned data types were a bad idea in C, and they'd be a bad idea in Java, too. You don't need them. Don't use them. They cause bugs.

    3. Re:I really hope that part about Java is true by John+Courtland · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      What the fuck are you talking about? I simply want unsigned integers.

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    4. Re:I really hope that part about Java is true by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Right, but unless the standard is changed to add them, those unsigned integers will only work in your particular patched compiler, which is of dubious use.

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    5. Re:I really hope that part about Java is true by John+Courtland · · Score: 1

      I don't care about anyone else. This is something I would like on my implementation, and I could even "open source" it so others could share in the glory of unsignedness.

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    6. Re:I really hope that part about Java is true by John+Courtland · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Tell these guys that too: http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id =4504839
      Working on unsigned data coming in from another source is VERY bug prone in Java. Writing file format readers in Java is a nightmare.

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    7. Re:I really hope that part about Java is true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a better idea: Don't use Java.

    8. Re:I really hope that part about Java is true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... so that I can personally add the 'unsigned' keyword.

      Upcoming next on TheDailyWTF..

      unsigned bool isPaulaBrillant = true;

    9. Re:I really hope that part about Java is true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you have to wait for Sun to open source their reference version of Java for that? Why don't you simply patch GCJ?

    10. Re:I really hope that part about Java is true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Signed types are what's causing the most bugs. If a number can't reasonably be negative, it should be unsigned.

    11. Re:I really hope that part about Java is true by makomk · · Score: 1

      Working on unsigned data coming in from another source is VERY bug prone in Java. Writing file format readers in Java is a nightmare.

      Incidentally, I discovered recently that the Java classfile format makes quite heavy use of the "unsigned short" data type - which, of course, doesn't exist in Java itself...

  5. If it's a hit in Sweden, US will hopefully follow by QuesarVII · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If the company does well in Sweden, the service will likely be available in the US soon after. Insurance companies are always looking for more ways to make money.

  6. More Disney details please by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    So what were the issues in the case and how was it tied to the laws Disney wanted passed? The article was slim on the details.

    1. Re:More Disney details please by glowworm · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Washington Times has a slightly better writeup. Not exact but way better than that poor link.

      By the way - to the editors.... It's Winnie not Winny.

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    2. Re:More Disney details please by novus+ordo · · Score: 5, Informative
      Look into apellate ruling summary. Intro:
      This copyright action arises from a termination notice sent by the appellant to the appellee, seeking to recapture rights to various characters created by her grandfather, Alan Alexander Milne, who authored the "Winnie-the-Pooh" children's books. Milne originally granted various rights in those works to the appellee in 1930. Then, in 1983, due to a change in copyright law in 1976, Milne's heirs considered terminating the 1930 grant outright, but instead entered into a new agreement that revoked the original grant and re-issued rights in the works to the appellee. The appellant seeks to invalidate the 1983 agreement based on 1998 legislation. The 1998 legislation only authorizes the termination of copyright agreements executed before 1978. Because the 1983 revocation and re-grant were valid, we affirm the district court's decision.
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    3. Re:More Disney details please by sootman · · Score: 1

      Maybe he meant that "Winny the Poo" will be Disney's new, non-infringing character?

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    4. Re:More Disney details please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      The article explains the decision right here:

      The Supreme Court declined to hear the case and let stand decisions by two lower courts that Clare Milne could not void a 1983 agreement renewing the Slesingers' license.
      This was a licensing dispute which hinged on whether or not an agreement could be voided. It had nothing to do with "laws Disney wanted passed". The writeup is inaccurate.
    5. Re:More Disney details please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently Pooh was invented well before 1930, and would have been in public domain for years now where Disney could use the characters for free, except for the retroactive copyright extension from N years after publication to M years after death.

      Won't be the first time Disney got bit in the ass by "their" copyright law. They had snatched up The Jungle Book the moment it went into public domain, so when the extension was passed, suddenly they owed a lot of royalties ;)

    6. Re:More Disney details please by hachete · · Score: 1


      > By the way - to the editors.... It's Winnie not Winny.

      Neigh, neigh

      Thankyou, thankyou, I'll be here all week, try the chicken

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    7. Re:More Disney details please by zbik · · Score: 1
      Apparently Pooh was invented well before 1930, and would have been in public domain for years now where Disney could use the characters for free, except for the retroactive copyright extension from N years after publication to M years after death.

      If Pooh were in the public domain, Disney wouldn't have to pay for the merchandising rights, but neither would anybody else. So this would hardly be a win for them.

  7. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  8. Try "double-digit" months away by -benjy · · Score: 4, Informative
    The source of the Java release estimate, Simon Phipps, indicated that he was misinterpreted:

    I replied as I usually do, indicating it's "months rather than years", making it clear that the way to interpret that comment is that it's double-digit months and not September!"
    1. Re:Try "double-digit" months away by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1
      I replied as I usually do, indicating it's "months rather than years", making it clear that the way to interpret that comment is that it's double-digit months and not September!"
      Yeah, that's about at clear as a block of wood.
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  9. sure, but it DOES matter by r00t · · Score: 1

    It means that some random US agency like HUD is unable to go grabbing property for random unjustified purposes without violating instructions from the big boss.

    A law would not be much better. I suppose a law could cover congress itself (but they always exempt themselves) or the court system. Nearly everything is in the administrative branch of the government, which this takes care of.

  10. Re:Regulation, Good or Bad? by RLiegh · · Score: 2, Funny

    >we've had some bright spots in our 200+ years of history. I sure would like to see those come along more often. Or indeed, ever again...

    I wouldn't hold my breath, if I were you.

  11. Re:fp by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 3, Funny
    Why do I have bad karma?

    It comes from mixing peanut butter with saliva then kissing. And kicking orphans to the ground and stealing their iPod. And putting SCO on your grandma's PC. And setting her up with Kazaa and no firewall then anonymously emailing the RIAA. That's the starter list.

  12. Re:If it's a hit in Sweden, US will hopefully foll by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 1

    Its really not a good thing, the deals the RIAA offer you for breach of copyright are only small compared to what they are entitled to sue you for, this will only encourage the RIAA to more vigourously prosecute and increase fines.

    Thats really bad for anyone who isn't paying insurance.

    It may seem like a good idea, but the only people who are going to profit from this is the RIAA and the pirates. It may save you once when you get prosecuted, but when the pirates jack the insurance from $19US to $99US because the RIAA has decided to sue for $200,000 per breach of copyright everyone is going to be in a world of trouble.

  13. What an opportunity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    All 10 Democrats on the committee, as well as Republican co-sponsor Sen. Snowe, voted for the amendment. The other 11 Republicans voted against."

    It is clear here that the Democrats are on the side of the average person on a straightforward issue which is easy to explain and easy to get people excited about-- and the issue is framed in a way which makes it clear that a slight change in the partisan balance of power would have a direct effect on how Congress treats the issue.

    With the upcoming Congressional elections, this represents a wonderful opportunity for the Democrats to completely fail at either communicating a message to the American people or presenting a credible alternative to the Republicans. I am sure that Democratic strategists are as we speak working around the clock trying to find some way to fumble this opportunity which has been dropped into their laps.

    1. Re:What an opportunity by identity0 · · Score: 1

      "We will put network neutrality in a lockbox for future generations, and use it to give our seniors a perscription drug discount plan. I will put all uses of the network to a 'global test', so that our alies will be with us, not against us when we immanetize the eschaton. We will make sure there is no controlling legal authority on the information superhighway of the future, depending on what the definiton of the word 'is' is. Keep hope alive!"

  14. Re:If it's a hit in Sweden, US will hopefully foll by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

    No insurance company would do this in the US under current laws. It simply wouldn't be worth the risk.

    First, the US has significantly different copyright protection laws than Sweden, including the so-called contributory infringement (IANAL, my memory may be off) which allows sites that distribute torrent-like material (files that link to infringing works) to be considered guilty of copyright infringement as well. By defending people who infringe copyright, it would seem to me that the insurance company themselves could be found guilty of contributory infringement, and I doubt many insurance companies would want to be practicing a legally questionable business.

    Second, the government in the US is much more willing to listen to the RIAA et al when it comes to policy decisions. If a company tried to insure customers against RIAA lawsuits here, you can bet that the lobbyists would have the federal government laying the smack down on them quicker than you can say "The Pirate Bay".

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  15. Re:If it's a hit in Sweden, US will hopefully foll by Durrok · · Score: 2

    This would be akin to getting insurance for speeding tickets. If it is an illegal act you can't have someone just have someone pay the supposed settlement for you. Since PB isn't "technically" doing anything illegal in Sweden I suppose you can technically get insurance for it, although IANAL and definetly not well versed in Sweden law. This kind of thing will unfortunatly never fly in the US due to file sharing of copyrighted material being illegal.

    Actually, now that I think about it, this kind of thing makes the *AAS even more reckless. After all, why do they care if they sue you if you have an insurance company who is just going to pay them off?

    Got slapped with a huge fine because your 12 year old downloaded the latest britney spear song? Damn, guess you should have gotten the *AA insurance!

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  16. +5 Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on guys... why mod this down? It's funny! (Or at least I though it was....)

  17. Re:What a hypocrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seeing as how that's one of the jobs required by the office, it's not funny at all. Besides, it's not legislating, it's issuing a directive to the executive branch, "his" employees.

  18. Re:STFU already by John+Courtland · · Score: 1

    Troll? Please describe how I'm trolling so that I may better understand.

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  19. Re:What a hypocrite by Cyphertube · · Score: 2, Informative

    Issuing an executive order is not the same as legislating. As the head of the executive branch, the President can authorise or limit the actions of any agency under the executive branch as long as doing so would not contradict any legislation.

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  20. Re:What a hypocrite by MindStalker · · Score: 1

    Hu? Bush is the head of the federal branch. He is setting policy for his branch, thats his job.

  21. Re:If it's a hit in Sweden, US will hopefully foll by TheSpoom · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Copyright infringement is a crime in Sweden as well, AFAIK. What isn't a crime is distributing torrent files, which link to the material in question that is actually provided by other users, not the site from which you downloaded the torrent.

    This is why sites like The Pirate Bay are able to stay alive; they aren't actually infringing copyright, they're simply indexing user-uploaded torrents.

    In the US, this would count as contributory infringement I believe, and would be shut down.

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  22. Swedish Insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2008 - Swedish file sharing insurance company Tankafritt is sued by the RIAA. Their servers were raided by "Swedish" police who happened to be wearing FBI jackets wink wink.

  23. Re:If it's a hit in Sweden, US will hopefully foll by MindStalker · · Score: 1

    Hell, your chances of getting sued in any one year are http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=769
    1 in 1840. Damn this was initially supposed to be a counter argument but 200K/1840 is $108.

    Nevermind :)

  24. lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, of course. Needing twice the space to express many of the same integer values is unquestionably worth the convenience of not having to learn how to use data types properly. Let's not forget how much fun bitmasks are when using signed types, either. Oh, fucking joy.

  25. Re:STFU already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    'mrchaotica' already replied to your post saying why it's a stupid idea yet you repeatedly insist on doing something stupid (adding something that's not in the spec and won't compile on anything except your own hacked up version).

    And not only that but you won't STFU about it and keep posting the same "I don't care--I'm going to do it and I need to tell Slashdot so they can see how stupid I am" posts.

  26. Not "months" away.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    Phipps said today in his keynote speech at GUADEC that he was probably wrong to say that it would be a matter of "months, not years".

    Basically he said it would be ASAP, but seemed to imply that (lengthy) legal issues were pretty much the cause of delays.

  27. Re:What a hypocrite by syrinx · · Score: 1

    I'm sure it was difficult to manage to get in a shot at Bush when he does something that's pretty much universally a good thing, but congratulations, you managed it, even if it doesn't, you know, make any sense. (As has been pointed out, he's setting the policy for the executive branch of the federal government, of which he is the head. It's not legislating any more than your boss saying that you can't read Slashdot at work.)

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  28. Disney story unrelated to copyright by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Interesting to see a company foiled by the laws they insisted on in the first place, isn't it?

    Well it would be, but the Disney case is all about Milne selling the merchandising rights back in the 30's and the daughter basically wanting to back out of that contract. What does that have to do with copyright again?

    I don't think it's right of Milne (or Disney) to try and break this contract either but you have to feel a little sorry for Milne who had her grandfather basically give away a vast fortune in return for some smaller sum. Still, I think she's doing well just with her contract to Disney...

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    1. Re:Disney story unrelated to copyright by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why do you have to feel sorry for Milne? Because she can't freeload off work her grandmother did a century ago?

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    2. Re:Disney story unrelated to copyright by Bob+of+Dole · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. What did she do for that money?
      She had ancestors who created marketable characters. Well, great for her.
      You can use that fact to make small talk about yourself, but make your own damn money.

    3. Re:Disney story unrelated to copyright by slowbad · · Score: 1
      the Disney case is all about Milne selling the merchandising rights

      The judges found in favor of Mickey when he easily proved that Minnie is fucking goofy.

    4. Re:Disney story unrelated to copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      make your own damn money

      I agree. This is precisely why there needs to be a 100% inheritance tax. So many of the problems in this world are caused by people who freeload of the acheivements of their ancestors.

    5. Re:Disney story unrelated to copyright by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1
      Interesting to see a company foiled by the laws they insisted on in the first place, isn't it?

      Well it would be, but the Disney case is all about Milne selling the merchandising rights back in the 30's and the daughter basically wanting to back out of that contract. What does that have to do with copyright again?


      Perhaps it has to do with the fact that Milne and her grandfather would simply be footnotes in history rather than Disney business parters if copyright terms weren't being extended. The very same copyright extensions that have benefited Disney in the past. A. A. Milne's copyright on Winnie the Pooh would have expired (or due to expire shortly) under previous copyright laws and entered the public domain. It would then be a moot point on what merchandising contracts were signed in the 1930s.
    6. Re:Disney story unrelated to copyright by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      That'd never work. For one, it'd be too unpopular, and any politician who wanted in to office could offer to repeal that law in return for votes. Second, people would just put most of their estate into the hands of their children before they died - obviously, that wouldn't work for people who died suddenly or unexpectedly, but those are often situations where inheritance is most often needed (for instance, if a couple dies in a car crash and leaves three young children behind).

      That's the main problem I see with capitalism in its purest form, as espoused by people like Ayn Rand. Money is equivelant to work only when there's no way to pass it on to people who didn't earn it.

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    7. Re:Disney story unrelated to copyright by Generic+Guy · · Score: 2, Interesting
      What did she do for that money? She had ancestors who created marketable characters. Well, great for her. You can use that fact to make small talk about yourself, but make your own damn money.

      Seeing as how Clare Milne has cerebral palsy, that was a crummy thing to write.
      In actuality, IIRC, Christopher Robin (Milne) refused any 'Pooh' money until his daughter was born with that medical condition. He realized she would need money so as to be looked after, when he was gone.

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    8. Re:Disney story unrelated to copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incidently, let this be a reminder to us all that first cousin marriages are thought to have roughly double the rate of cerebral palsy in offspring. I'm absolutely not criticizing Christopher Robin's marriage. I'm just saying: cousin-fanciers, be careful out there.

    9. Re:Disney story unrelated to copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Socrates had the logical conclusions all figured out. The only way to eliminate nepotism is to make sure that the children of the ruling class are raised in common, so that no one really knows who their own children or their parents are. Mating can be arranged according to a random lottery.

      Then you don't have to worry about nepotism, inheritances, or many other forms of corruption. Also, a side benefit is that the rulers emeritus who are beyond the breeding age can take this opportunity to secretly rig the lottery, in order to make breeding choices that are designed to benefit the population as a whole.

      Okay, so what Plato described is actually something of a totalitarian nightmare. But these minor bugs will be worked out by the time The Republic 2.0 is shipped.

    10. Re:Disney story unrelated to copyright by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      Nepotism isn't really too much of a problem, if you buy into the premise of this sort of capitalism. The idea is that if society is totally based around results, if you start giving cushy jobs to your relatives, your business will suffer and eventually fail. Of course, in reality, this doesn't work, because big businesses have such huge cash reserves, it takes more than a couple of incompetant managers to burn through a significant amount, and it's easier to fire a couple of low-level workers than till the owner's son he sucks and is out of a job.

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    11. Re:Disney story unrelated to copyright by Cederic · · Score: 2, Insightful


      wtf does her medical condition have to do with it?

      It's still wrong that people have an expectation that they can freeload off their ancestors.

    12. Re:Disney story unrelated to copyright by the_weasel · · Score: 1



      Absolutely. I mean, the whole idea of inheritance should just be thrown out. Upon my death, all of my rights and priviledges can just be assigned to the state, where they can be managed most effectively.

      Why should my family benefit from my labours. After all they are the reason I have to work so hard, to feed and clothe them, and ensure they have opportunities I never had. Far better my assets get assigned to an impartial comittee of politicians and industry leaders.

      Or to be more specific, perhaps Winnie the Pooh's character should be assigned to the public domain, so anyone can do anything they like with it? I myself never had anything to do with Winnie the Pooh, but I have been looking forward to publishing my illustrated childrens book "Pooh smokes a pack!", developed thanks to a generous grant from Phillip Morris. Once it reaches the public domain, there will be nothing preventing me from expressing my vision of a sexually deviant bear who LOVES the honey. Just like the creator wanted.

      I never really understood the whole complaint against artistic copyright. Mickey Mouse is subject to copyright for all time? So what. Make your own animated character. Why exactly do we NEED Mickey Mouse to reside in the public domain? Its a serious question.

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    13. Re:Disney story unrelated to copyright by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Kdeep it in perspective, we are talking about copyright, in inheritance.

      "Just like the creator wanted."
      Once public domain, what the creater wanted no longer matter, nor should it. It is societies at that point.
      That is why copyright should be limited. Look at how copyright controlled effect England prior to the revolutionary war. Once something is released to the public it beomes part of the culture, and it grows beyond what any author could possible of dreamed of.

      A medical condition is no reason to excuse a bad law.

      People trying to control and own information in this manner might want to loko at Pythagoras when people got fed up with him trying to own the math he created. There's a lesson there.

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    14. Re:Disney story unrelated to copyright by Teancum · · Score: 1

      The counter argument to what you are saying is that you, as an individual, can decide for yourself who you want to give your (presumed) millions of Euros, dingbats or whatever to when you die. If you don't want it going to your kids but instead to the government, fine, do that with your own money. Just don't tell me as an individual where I should put it, and please don't hold a gun to my head and tell me where to spend it.

      Yes, government taxation is just armed robbery done legally, nothing more. There may be "public good" that comes from it (often not, and with corruption as well), but that is not the point. I can make my own decisions on how to deal with my own property and money, and I believe that I can make that decision much better than some silly government board or entity.

      I support limited taxation for government "services" that are essential, and what is considered essential can be debated. The problem is that attitudes like yours encourage raw confiscation of wealth on the idea that working hard and building a comfortable life is something evil and wrong. And that I'm a stupid idiot who doesn't know where to spend my own money, but some other people (supposedly "enlightened" and "intelligent") can do a much better job of doing that then I can. That and you don't believe that millions of ordinary people can't come to a conclusion of trying to support worthy causes on our own without a government telling us what to do instead.

    15. Re:Disney story unrelated to copyright by yakovlev · · Score: 1

      Are we talking financial assets or copyright? Either way: My family does not have a right to indefinite income just because I did something good.

      Upon your death, your spouse should receive all of your financial assets, since you are essentially partners. Once both you and your spouse have died, a "reasonable" inheritence should be available to provide for your inheritors, and any remaining *excess* financial assets should be divided between the state and your inheritors, as the state has no interest in concentrating all national wealth in a few families who produce nothing of value.

      As for artistic copyright, there are two reasons why it should not be indefinite. The weaker argument is the same as the inheritance argument. The public has no interest in concentrating all knowledge and art within a few families (or businesses) who no longer produce anything of value. It's reasonable to expect your efforts to provide for your immediate family, but there is no reason to expect your grandchildren to continue to have significant income from a book you wrote 50-100 years ago, let alone even longer.

      The stronger argument against artistic copyright is that knowledge and the written word are a part of our culture, and once produced, only partially belong to the original author. The framers of the constitution understood this. Copyright was a way to ensure that authors would be compensated for their labors, and as a result the public would have a rich culture and body of knowledge. However, copyright is a double-edged sword. By extending it for too long, it ceases to become an incentive to produce new works. Instead, the focus becomes on preserving the income from old works. The case in question is an excellent example. Instead of becoming an author and producing new books, Clare Milne, Disney, and the others involved are fighting over the rights to an existing work whose original author is dead. The public is worse off because they neither have access to the old work, nor do they have any new works, since the parties involved are too busy fighting over the old one.

      An interesting viewpoint on your text above is that most likely an "illustrated childrens book "Pooh smokes a pack!"" would be a fair use parody even if the book isn't out of copyright. What being out of copyright would allow is for the general public to universally share and benefit from a work, and would encourage the previous copyright holders to continue to produce new works that would overall increase our literary and artistic heritage, or otherwise contribute to society as a whole. If not that, then it would at least allow new authors to expand on the existing work in new ways. Either way, once the original author has been sufficiently provided for that they are willing to produce and distribute the work in the first place, futher copyright creates no benefit for the public.

    16. Re:Disney story unrelated to copyright by Tycho · · Score: 1

      Problem is is that Disney has been acting even more scummy that usual in this case. From what I understand Clare Milne isn't exactly mentally competent. She probably doesn't understand what the agreement with Disney means or what effect is has. For all we know a Disney lawyer could have offered her a cookie for agreeing to have someone sign or stamp the agreement for her. (Clare Milne probably doesn't have the motor functions to sign or even stamp anything.) The lawyers from Disney have taken advantage of this poor, disabled woman. The agreement that Clare Milne "signed" almost totally transfered the rights to Pooh over to Disney forever, and probably even left only a pittance for her. Also, since Clare Milne has no children or other family I believe that all of the rights to Pooh would end up in Disney's hands after her death according to this agreement. Doesn't this make you feel all warm a fuzzy for Disney now?

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    17. Re:Disney story unrelated to copyright by bogado · · Score: 1

      Well said, I was going to answer this but you said much of what I would have said in a better and less "karma point loosing" way, ehehe. But I was also going to sujest that copyright should be a right that could only apply to people, enterprizes and other could buy rights to use them but never stop the author, or authors, to sell the work to somebody else. I also believe that copyright should die with the author, or at least with the last author of the work.

      I don't buy it that the beatles songs are now owned by Michael Jackson, or that the actual ministry of culture of Brazil, Gilberto Gil, that has made several pop songs in the past could not make his own music creative commons, becuase warner did not allow him. Copyright should protect authors and not deep money, scumbags like the RIAA associates.

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  29. Bush can't ever get it right! by TinyManCan · · Score: 2, Funny
    "President Bush has issued an executive order whose effect is to undo the previous Kelo decision of the Supreme Court. From the article: 'It is the policy of the United States to protect the rights of Americans to their private property, including by limiting the taking of private property by the Federal Government to situations in which the taking is for public use, with just compensation, and for the purpose of benefiting the general public and not merely for the purpose of advancing the economic interest of private parties to be given ownership or use of the property taken.' The downside is that what was once affirmed consitutionally is now affirmed only in federal law."

    God Damn, President Bush can never get anything right. I can't believe he is trying to overturn the power of the courts with this balancing action from another branch of the government.

    Oh wait. I guess he did something good here. Darn, going to get moderated for pointing that out :)

    1. Re:Bush can't ever get it right! by himurabattousai · · Score: 0, Troll

      In the eyes of many people worldwide, he's done very few, if any, things right (and they wouldn't get an argument from me). It's a shame that what is probably the BEST thing he's done while in office is also the easiest to undo.

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    2. Re:Bush can't ever get it right! by Guuge · · Score: 1

      Actually, the executive branch just gets to appoint justices. It has no veto power over their decisions. When the supreme court tells the federal government to keep its paws off states' rights, the president can't just issue an executive order to undo the decision.

    3. Re:Bush can't ever get it right! by onemorechip · · Score: 1
      It's a shame that what is probably the BEST thing he's done while in office is also the easiest to undo.

      This is easy to undo? Well, maybe if they discovered oil there, we'd find out.

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    4. Re:Bush can't ever get it right! by 1ucius · · Score: 1

      I think you are misreading Kelo. The ScT didn't say governments cannot regulate the practice. It just said that the courts will only apply a rational basis test to practice (basically, the government unit needs to be able to articulate a public use that passes the so-called laugh test). Federal/state/local governments are still free to pass laws forbidding the practice or raising the public-use required. The Feds can even forbid the states from seizing property via the supremecy clause. All that would be consistent with Kelo.

    5. Re:Bush can't ever get it right! by Guuge · · Score: 1

      I didn't mention Kelo. I addressed the original poster's claim that an executive order is a "balancing action" to be used to overturn a court's decision. You'll notice that the executive order itself has nothing to do with Kelo because it only applies to the federal government.

  30. lousy t-shirt by Elminst · · Score: 4, Funny

    I got convicted for file-sharing and all i got was this lousy T-shirt!!!

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  31. Re:fp by novus+ordo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Apu: I have come to make amends, sir. At first, I blamed you for squealing, but then I realized, it was _I_ who wronged _you_. So I have come to work off my debt. I am at your service.
    Homer: You're...selling _what_, now?
    Apu: I am selling only the concept of karmic realignment.
    Homer: You can't sell that! Karma can only be portioned out by the cosmos. [slams the door]

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  32. Re:STFU already by John+Courtland · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Ok.

    Well, there's a whole slew of developers who want unsigned types. They would be really happy to have them in Java, instead of having to use something like C# to get the same functionality. Therefore, someone aside form me might like it. Maybe more people want it than don't, and just maybe the only way to get it is to have someone put it in there and commit it?

    Simple enough for you? Now you can take your gay little acronym (just say fuck for crying out loud, this is a big boy site), and shove it. And where the fuck do I 'keep posting' I don't care. I said it once. Your argumentative skills require work.

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  33. Re:STFU already by QuantumG · · Score: 1

    It's hardly stupid to extend a compiler (and virtual machine) to have the functionality you want and share that functionality with others. In fact, I'd say you'd have to be pretty damn smart to do that.

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  34. You don't have to extend the VM though by lokedhs · · Score: 1

    You could do it entirely in the compiler

    1. Re:You don't have to extend the VM though by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      How's that gunna work? Unless you're suggesting the unsigned int type in Java be 31 bits or something.

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    2. Re:You don't have to extend the VM though by Per+Bothner · · Score: 1
      One option is to *represent* an unsigned int using a signed int, but generate code that simulates unsigned int arithmetic using signed int arithmetic.

      Obviously, addition and subtraction are trivial:
      unsigned_add(i,j) == (unsigned int) (signed_add((int)i, (int)j)

      Other operations can be implemented by casting to long, though of course that begs the question of how you handle unsigned long. Comparisons can be handled by flipping the sign bit. I.e. comparing two unsigned long (or int) can be done by flipping the sign bits, and then doing a signed comparison.

      The only hard ones are multiplication and division. For those you could call suitable library methods.

    3. Re:You don't have to extend the VM though by djmurdoch · · Score: 1

      Multiplication doesn't care about the sign, if you just throw away the overflow (assuming the usual two's complement representation of signed integers).

    4. Re:You don't have to extend the VM though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This breaks the type system since from the JVM's perspective you're providing signed integers. Thus from the perspective of reflection or VM type verification A::Foo(unsigned int) = A::Foo(int) because of the necessary type erasure in the compiler. This mirrors the same problem Java has with generics, since A = A from the VM perspective since all of the added type information is lost being little more than a compiler hack.

    5. Re:You don't have to extend the VM though by denelson83 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      ..."the company is ruminating over two major issues: how to keep Java compatible and ensure no particular company uses market forces as muscle for its own implementation,"... **cough**Microsoft**cough** Of course, Sun sued Microsoft's Java implementation out of existence, so I don't think that's really a problem.

    6. Re:You don't have to extend the VM though by Per+Bothner · · Score: 1
      This breaks the type system since from the JVM's perspective you're providing signed integers.

      The latter does not imply the former. I agree that standard JVM reflection won't be able to distinguish between signed and unsigned integers - though one could use annotations or some other mechanism so one could distinguish between signed and unisgned field and method types. Also, "type system" usually refers to the system of static types, and that is not broken - just different from standard Java.

    7. Re:You don't have to extend the VM though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such annotations are not enforceable and thus the type system is underminded. In fact such annotations would be necessary for any implementation because it would be impossible to perform any type analysis of distinct packages compiled with your compiler extensions because the type information only exists in the source code. Implicit conflation of signed and unsigned integer quantites is weak typing and prone to erroneous behavior. The type system of "Java with Unsigned" is indeed broken when used on the JVM. Much unlike the use of generics which maintains type integrity through instrumenting type checks, there is no such instrumentation even possible with your proposed compiler hack. It is also impossible to create code that is safe when used with any compiler that does not reconstruct the intended type.

    8. Re:You don't have to extend the VM though by Per+Bothner · · Score: 1
      In fact such annotations would be necessary for any implementation because it would be impossible to perform any type analysis of distinct packages compiled with your compiler extensions because the type information only exists in the source code.

      Yes - unless you put then in the class file, as I indicated.

      i>The type system of "Java with Unsigned" is indeed broken when used on the JVM.

      You mean the same way "C++ with unsigned" is broken?
  35. A good Mubarak joke by cvd6262 · · Score: 4, Funny

    When Nasser became president, he sought someone less intelligent than he to be the vice president. He found Sadat. Sadat did the same and found Mubarak.

    Mubarak still doesn't have a vice president.

    I heard that joke in the El Maadi district of Cairo.

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  36. Not only net neutrality by Wylfing · · Score: 3, Informative

    My submission got rejected, but net neutrality is not the only bad thing on the way via bill S.2686. This is the same bill that grants the FCC the power to require audio and video broadcast flag recognition on every device made or sold. This is one of the last opportunities you have to contact your Senators to let them know you are opposed to this bill before it gets voted through in the middle of the night.

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  37. Kelo decision by tsotha · · Score: 1
    OK, the blurb on the Kelo decision is just wrong. First of all, an executive order isn't a law; it can be changed by the next president on a whim. Executive orders are simply the president's directions to his employees in the executive branch regarding some aspect of how business is conducted. It doesn't have the force of law, it's just something a civil servant could (in theory) get fired for disobeying.

    Secondly, Bush's order only applies to federal use of emminent domain, which doesn't occur nearly as often as city and county use of said power. In fact, almost never. In the specific case of Kelo, the "taking" was done by the city of New London, so the executive order doesn't apply.

    Really, the order is just political posturing, nothing more. What the court held in Kelo was this is a matter the constitution leaves to the states, and there's no reason for the federal judiciary to get involved. If the federal government actually did transfer ownership of land from one private party to another, the federal courts would have jurisdiction and might very well rule it unconstitutional.

    1. Re:Kelo decision by hunterkll · · Score: 1

      Executive Orders carry the force of federal law....

  38. Kelo as viewed from the perspective of a local by Shrithe · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not from New London, but a neighboring town, and I feel obliged to point out that there's a lot of general support around here for what New London has done. It's still controversial, but the general feeling is that it's overall a good thing.

    See, the thing is, New London is dirt poor. It's been in decline since it's peak in the 1800s, ever since whaling and fishing stopped being a reasonable basis for a small New England city's economy. For a long time now New London has been the poorest town in the area, with the most densely packed suburban sprawl, and a small downtown area which is mostly boarded up. Over the past twenty or thirty years, New London has been slowly building itself back up. They've cleaned up a lot of the bad crime that was going on, and businesses have been moving back in to areas that had lain dormant. They're developing themselves as a cultural center for the area, and doing a good job of it.

    Now, with the whole eminent domain issue, here's the thing: It didn't particularly benefit the company much at all. Pfizer was going to build in the area, at comparable price, regardless, just not in New London. The government of New London saw the opportunity to bring that economic boon into their own town, and jumped on it. Now, there was no readily available area to give to Pfizer. New London is very small, with a high population for it's size. They had to move some people in order to make this go through, or they'd lose the tax base of having that industry to a neighboring, richer town.

    The money generated for the town by having Pfizer there is going to allow them to increase the quality of their public services greatly. The school system is going to improve, the police effectiveness is going to improve, the quality of life for the entire town going up as a result of this. It's unfortunate that some people had to be removed for this to happen, and even more unfortunate is the level of malcontent some have felt over this act, but the town and it's inhabitants are going to benefit tangibly. The business received some benefit in order to entice them to the town, but that's a marginal amount. Big Business didn't trump the people here. The town made a heavily debated and difficult decision, and made it for the benefit of it's residents as a group.

    Now, as a precedent, Kelo is undeniably dangerous. I'm not arguing that. I'm saying that in the particular case of New London, it was the right choice to make.

    1. Re:Kelo as viewed from the perspective of a local by frogstar_robot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now, as a precedent, Kelo is undeniably dangerous. I'm not arguing that. I'm saying that in the particular case of New London, it was the right choice to make.

      Since New London was foolishly permitted to make that choice, a multitude stand to lose homes, property, and businesses anytime bigger fish feel like greasing palms. Expediency for New London is no excuse for what is going to happen now.

    2. Re:Kelo as viewed from the perspective of a local by bobbuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well nothing will help property values like having a nationwide reputation for government that doesn't respect property rights. You got Pfizer, you'll lose all else. Would you put a business there, knowing that someone with better connections could take your land once you get on your feet?

    3. Re:Kelo as viewed from the perspective of a local by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      Now, as a precedent, Kelo is undeniably dangerous. I'm not arguing that. I'm saying that in the particular case of New London, it was the right choice to make.

      And how many other Supreme Court decisions were the same type of situation? I have no idea, but I'm guessing it's more than a few.

    4. Re:Kelo as viewed from the perspective of a local by Mr.+Arbusto · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Lets take a look at the text at hand.



      "nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

      There is no doubt that increase tax revenue is good for a budget but the problem with me is two fold. First, Private property taken for private use is not public use. Or at least wasn't until recently. Obviously all taxed properties in a cities tax base are for city the to use because they collect taxes, and of course taxes are for public use. Bamm dangerous prescient (Which I'm certain you agree with)

      The other issue I have is with just compensation. If the land, which is taxed, is being taken then given to someone else so it can be taxed more, then what compensation should that person receive? I don't think just compensation means the cost of the property. It means the loss of liberty, the cost of moving, all expenses associated with being force out of your property, cost of employment, sentimental value, the cost of a new property (Which now wouldn't be yours anyway because it would be taxed and all things taxed in the city is now for public use.) It is very dangerous and I don't think the City of New London will be justly compensating any of the people/land owners force for forfit.

      On a side note, if they would just plant some Chaffseed, Gerardia, or Pogonia which are considered endangered, it might make the property even more of a hard pill to swallow, since it would require yet another expensive law suit, since the property is already planned to be mowed over with new development.

    5. Re:Kelo as viewed from the perspective of a local by Shrithe · · Score: 1

      In my opinion, there needs to be a requirement for substnciality of improvement. I'm not convinced that this is going to go down the slippery slope that's made possible by this precedent. In New London, I think it was the right decision because of how badly the town needed something like this. In any already stable town, this shouldn't be allowed to happen. I haven't read the court opinions, but I'd suspect they say something about this, as court opinions of this nature are generally fairly comprehensive. If and when another town tries to act under this, it'll probably be brought to court again, and we'll see if some sort of standard like this emerges.

      As for your second point, I agree with you. New London handled the removal of the people horribly, which was a large reason for the backlash, and I don't think they have adequately compensated the individuals involved, which needs to be done, but that's not the issue the supreme court ruled on.

    6. Re:Kelo as viewed from the perspective of a local by bratwiz · · Score: 2, Funny



      I think New London and the surrounding area would be an excellent place for a Nuclear Waste Dump site; a Toxic Waste Dump site; a National Crematorium; an Industrial-sized Water & Sewage Treatmentf facility; a combined-forces military proving ground, ordanance-testing facility, and live-fire practice ground; a Super-Max Prison for Extra-Violent Sexual Offenders (Mother Stabbers and Father Rapers); a Minute-Man Nuclear Missle facility; and a shelter for abandoned and wayward buzzards & skunks...

      It would be in the public's interest to concentrate all of these facilities in one place-- way out of the way of the rest of the country...

      And I'm sure that once the news gets out, property prices will quickly become affordable... all around a good deal for everyone... ... everyone that is except for the poor folks in New London and surrounding areas.... they'll get royally screwed-- but hey, its all for the public good. They should feel proud they were able to do their civic duty and show they believe in the American values that made some rich bastard great...

    7. Re:Kelo as viewed from the perspective of a local by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      New London is very small, with a high population for it's size. They had to move some people in order to make this go through, or they'd lose the tax base of having that industry to a neighboring, richer town.

      Sorry, but my response to this is "Boo hoo". So New London is a small town that zoned too much land for residential, then got upset when it didn't have space for commercial developments. Yes, too much residential land without a good tax base sucks - but that doesn't mean that you can or should go around the constitution (regardless of what SCOTUS said) to fix it.

      The way for the city to fix what it did was simple and legal: rezone properties from residential to commercial. This won't seize the land or evict the residents, but it will keep them from making substantial new investments as residences. Then, the city can set up a separate development corporation, which could make offers to buy properties from residents who wished to sell, and hold the land for commercial deals. This might not get a large, cohesive lot all at once, but it would be a legal method to turn residential properties into commercial ones.

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    8. Re:Kelo as viewed from the perspective of a local by onemorechip · · Score: 1

      You should get extra credit for the Alice's Restaurant reference. Me? I was arrested for littering once...oh, and creating a nuisance.

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    9. Re:Kelo as viewed from the perspective of a local by hyfe · · Score: 1
      To quote Chavez:

      "We respect individual property rights, but I would like to stress that we do not think of those rights as absolute"

      Only difference is he was referring to old colonial lords sitting on masses on undeveloped land; eg aristocrats, so his interpretation actually have some morally and economically redeeming factors.

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    10. Re:Kelo as viewed from the perspective of a local by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly, the more harmful version is common in southern california. If you own a nice piece of land but are sitting on it to sell it at a big price, like, in the case of farmers who own a few acres in a growing urban area, but not fully urban yet, housing developers who love building on anything and everything know that they will have to pay a good price for the land, will get the local government (city or county) to claim "eminent domain" on the land, and the owner of the land gets outright shafted, they get a very small sum of money for their land (we're talking like $4,000 for like, 10 acres of land here as compared to $400,000 per acre or more) and the developers basically get the land on the cheap, and turn around and reap MASSIVE profits on the land they virtually stole. ($800,000 for houses on each lot, which 10 acres can fill a few hundred houses, now do the math)

      That's where the Kelo thing is really, REALLY bad. It allows outright robbery.

      Your case is a somewhat justifiable case, but in many others, it's outright abused, where the "public good" is really the good of the city council's own paychecks and the amount of taxes the city will get in return.

      This mostly applies to all the "new" cities you see in southern california, which are mostly housing. nothing more than that, some dont even have room for their own City hall and library and most other basic public services. Chino hills' city hall and library are portables on a tiny flat lot on a hill surrounded by houses. The sheriff's office is a portable on a street corner surrounded by business and houses.

      GREED!

    11. Re:Kelo as viewed from the perspective of a local by tweek · · Score: 1
      The money generated for the town by having Pfizer there is going to allow them to increase the quality of their public services greatly.
      And what happens when Pfizer decides to bugger off because the place in New London is worth the cost anymore? I'm surprised they didn't just say "screw it" because of the bad publicity already. The problem with justifying a taking to give to a private business is that there is no guarantee that the economic boon will happen. To me that's justification enough to NOT take the land. I see it all the time with greyfields..empty former walmart shopping centers that have only been there a year or two.
      The town made a heavily debated and difficult decision, and made it for the benefit of it's residents as a group.
      You can't make decisions that overrule someone's personal rights as enumerated by the Constitution (not an absolute statement mind you). Just because a town decided it doesn't like black people, doesn't mean that town can make "a heavily debated and difficult decision, and made it for the benefit of it's(sic) residents".

      As someone else said in reply to your comment, "boohoo for New London". I feel for the town personally. I really do. Growing up Deep South, I see poor rural areas all the time. Hell, I've lived in a few. The point is that at some point you have to fish or cut bait. If the population and tax base isn't enough to justify a full fledged city government then maybe it's time to disband the city government and absorb into a large entity.

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    12. Re:Kelo as viewed from the perspective of a local by sesshomaru · · Score: 1
      Yes, people should never forget that in some towns the town council is just an extension of the largest land developers. Local governments can be even more prone to sleazy backdoor dealings than state and federal governments.

      In some places, things are actually run by the Mafia! I'm serious here, especially in the Northeast.

      The last thing I want is Tony Soprano deciding whether or not taking my property and legally turning it over to his cronies is a "public good."

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    13. Re:Kelo as viewed from the perspective of a local by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No it wasn't.
      Displacing people for a private company is wrong no matter how much money it brings into the community. Of course, I doubt they (pfizer) will be paying that much in taxes, so the tax will be generated by taxing the goods the workers purchase. Now, how to you garantee all those purchases happen in new London?

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      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    14. Re:Kelo as viewed from the perspective of a local by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, why was eminent domain absolutely necessary to accomplish this? It sounded like the price offered was not particularly good, in general - "market rate", no moving expenses. It should be clear that the value the person places on their house is higher than the market rate - otherwise, they would have sold it already. I had the impression that a lot of people were willing to move out, given an offer. If you gave a better offer, possibly something guaranteed to cover the cost of a similar or somewhat nicer house nearby plus moving expenses, most of the holdouts would be willing to move. Contrary to the developer whining "I need all of it!", I don't see why you can't build around the few remaining people who are unwilling to move at any cost. Furthermore, many of those will probably choose to move, rather than live in the middle of an office park. (If all your neighbors sold except for you, and you knew you were going to be surrounded by factories and office buildings, and there was a fair offer for your house, wouldn't you be inclined to move?)

      Here in New Haven, we have a lot of neighborhoods that could use some improvement. But that doesn't mean it's a good idea for the city to speculate on better uses for the land. (As far as I can tell, they care less about running a city than about BS like making resolutions against the Iraq war, or nuclear power, or whatever...regardless of what you think about the issue, it's completely irrelevant to city governanace. I certainly wouldn't trust them with absolute authority to rezone and bulldoze vast blocks of the city.)

      By the way, I definitely wouldn't buy property in New London after this. I'd have no faith in the city government there, now.

  39. Swede T-Shirts: by rts008 · · Score: 1

    Are we supposed to chant: "Been there, done that, have the t-shirt?"
    FTA:
      "For a mere 140 SEK ($19 USD) per year, they will pay all your fines and give you a t-shirt if you get convicted for file sharing."

    I can get a t-shirt for next to nothing at any yard/garage sale, flea market for 1$ US or less, WTF?!?!?!

    Skip the middlman, print your own t-shirts, and stay off of the server logs.txt, or whatever!
      Win!

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    1. Re:Swede T-Shirts: by Lord+Crc · · Score: 1

      I can get a t-shirt for next to nothing at any yard/garage sale, flea market for 1$ US or less, WTF?!?!?!

      I think you missed the bold part:
      "For a mere 140 SEK ($19 USD) per year, they will pay all your fines and give you a t-shirt if you get convicted for file sharing."

      Might come in handy when RIAA knocks on your door to claim $5000 in damage per cd you have potentially managed to distribute had you been uploading it at full speed since you were born, or whatever they do...

  40. Re:fp by M0b1u5 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Hmm. Wait! I have excellent karma. How'd **THAT** happen??

    However, I don't believe in karma: it's an invention by wronged people, to make themselves feel better about being wronged. In the real world, there's no force which balances good against evil (or laziness, or whatever) out there. That's religion - and religion sucks.

    Wait - wait - I want one more crack at it:

    I don't believe in karma, because my karma ran over my dogma.

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  41. Sun doesn't understand open source... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Sun may release the source code to the JVM however they'll use a license that has serious restrictions. After reading lots of Sun blogs and talking to several people at Sun, I'm convinced that Sun really doesn't get open source or how it works. Solaris is a perfect example of this. In terms of Java, the license will almost surely contain clauses that disallow forks of the JVM.

    Unless Sun really steps up or releases Java under a real open source license, without ridiculous restrictions (so other people can pick up Suns slack), I believe Java is in for a really tough time trying to survive the next 5-10 years. Look at how long its taken Swing to become reasonably decent, and yet even in Java 6 it still has serious problems. Look at the mess that is the Date API, NIO, JMF, Netbeans etc. Examples of terrible design decisions exist all throughout the standard API and additional Sun packages. Even a lot of people at Sun admit this, however these issues don't get fixed because Sun refuses to lose backwards compatibility (even though they've failed at that several times already). The API has so many depreciated methods that it's practically disgusting to look at.

    The JCP process is not transparent, is way to slow and is a serious pain in the ass to get involved with. You want to get involved and fix bugs/write code, not gonna happen unless you sign a myriad of forms and sign lots of your rights over to Sun. Just being involved also means that you can't work on other JVM implementations. Furthermore, with the JCP you get the privilege of writing extensive JSRs and then waiting for them to take years to start seriously looking at them. You want to fix a bug or add an additional feature to Java, write a JSR and maybe it will be included in Java 10 in 10 years! Look at the bug list for Java, some of the bugs have been around for years.

    For an example of the JCP not being a transparent community process, we only have to look back a few weeks when Sun out of the blue decided to include Apache Derby in the Java 6 JDK (which they've renamed JavaDB for inclusion with the JDK...). No JSR and no warning given to the JCP, just Sun unilaterally making the decision on what's best for Java. What a stupid decision that was... Who the hell, besides total beginners, wants a database included in the JDK? Are Java programmers really so inept that they can't go to the Derby website and download a jar file? What happens when a serious bug is found in Derby? Are they going to release an update to the JDK? How long will it take before the version included in the JDK is outdated? A few weeks, a few months tops... What are they going to bundle next with the JDK? That POS Netbeans? Glassfish? JOGL? Suns control over Java is running it into the ground.

    Oh by the way, when Sun says "a couple months" they really mean 10 or more months.

    1. Re:Sun doesn't understand open source... by RLiegh · · Score: 1

      >I'm convinced that Sun really doesn't get open source or how it works. Solaris is a perfect example of this.

      How so? Even Richard Stallman called OpenSolaris 'Free'.[1] It's not "gnu compatible" but that's the fault of the GPL more than anything else. The FreeBSD people don't seem to be having any licensing problems using DTrace.

      So, again I ask; how is Solaris a "perfect example" that "Sun really doesn't get open source"?

      [1]
      "The current license of Solaris is a free software license, which means
      it is basically ethical. But it would be a more useful contribution
      to the free software commnuity if it had a GPL-compatible license, and
      I wish Sun would make that change."
      http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/message.jspa?messa geID=7785#7785
      (emphasis mine)

    2. Re:Sun doesn't understand open source... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      The FreeBSD people don't seem to be having any licensing problems using DTrace.
      That's because the BSD license is one of the few open source licenses that is compatible with the CDDL. Even with that said a lot of people from the BSD camps don't want to and refuse to touch it. I definitely wouldn't call Solaris a "perfect example" as the grand parent posted. But Solaris can't use any code that has been licensed under the GPL and several other prominent open source licenses. Because of this, incorporating code from the Linux kernel and many other open source projects into Solaris, or the reverse, can't be done. Sun managed to choose a license that achieves incompatibility with several open source licenses, including the most popular one. If they didn't want to use the GPL fine, but why didn't they use the LGPL, a BSD license or one of the Apache licenses? Or even offer dual licensing like so many other projects do? Instead they made an MPL derivative that leaves out the dual licensing clauses.

      The CDDL causes problems in a variety of situations, especially in one of the areas where Solaris is weakest; hardware support. Linux has vastly superior hardware support and most Linux drivers cannot be ported to Solaris since they're licensed under the GPL or licenses that are not compatible with the CDDL. I've seen several cases where a company was seriously considering using OpenSolaris/Solaris, but since they would've had to program certain drivers from scratch they decided to go with a Linux or BSD derivative instead.

      Last time I checked, if you wanted to contribute to the project you also had to sign up on the website and sign several waivers that hand over some of your rights to Sun. The Sun Contributor Agreement also included several clauses which seemed especially unusual for an open source project. Admittedly, the policies on this issue may have changed as I haven't looked at it in a while.

      Just like Richard said in the post you linked to, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux (IIRC even Darwin) and the repositories of the FSF have complete cross pollination and this is something OpenSolaris doesn't have. Even with the BSDs people are very wary of using anything licensed under the CDDL. Several lawyers have also come out and advised open source programmers not to even look at the OpenSolaris source code in fear that you may become tainted and unable to continue committing code to GPL'd projects.

      Lastly, I don't see this as a fault of the GPL. Most of the other open source licenses seem to handle this scenario fine, the CDDL being the exception. Furthermore, most projects with a licensing problem like this offer dual licensing and, as far as I'm aware, OpenSolaris does not. It also seems odd that Sun purposely created a license where the code cannot be used in anything licensed under the GPL or several other open source licenses...
  42. Permalink by -benjy · · Score: 1

    Oops, I didn't use the permalink for Simon's blog entry referenced in the parent.

  43. Not Even Wrong, Just Stupid by MSTCrow5429 · · Score: 1

    Kelo was not "repealed" (not that you can repeal a court decision, only overrule it). The executive order only stated that land can be taken "in the public interest," which is exactly how some private entities took the land, such as in the Kelo incident, as they were able to argue that it was "in the public interest." RTF case history and understand the executive order.

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  44. Re:Kelo Untouched, but still living at home. . . by treeves · · Score: 1

    Slashback tonight brings some clarifications and updates to previous Slashdot stories. . .

    Phew. That's a relief! For a second I thought maybe /. had got some facts wrong and were having to publish corrections or something!

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  45. Yikes Slashdot, stick to tech, not law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Oh my goodness gracious Slashdot, stick to technology, not law.

    "Kelo repealed"--not even close! The President cannot "repeal" a ruling of the Supreme Court with an executive order! He certainly cannot repeal Kelo, which interpreted the scope of the U.S. Constitution!

    "undo the previous Kelo decision"--wrong again! As another commenter pointed out, the executive order has no effect on what state governments do. Frankly, it's also unclear what effect the EO has on the workings of the federal government--even if we ignore the question of what authority the President has in matters such as this, just look at the wording of the EO! "It is the policy," it says. So what? Would a court overturn a taking due to a violation of "policy" expressed in an EO? Who knows? Lots of wiggle room in "policy"...

    "[EOs] are almost certainly binding"--says who? Can you cite an example of someone enforcing an EO in a court? Of anyone going to jail for not following one? Did you know that most EOs have boilerplate language stating that they do not create any enforceable legal rights, so that private parties cannot sue to enforce the EO?

    "it's essentially the same thing as a federal regulation"--not even close! Regulations are promulgated pursuant to the Administrative Procedures Act as well as pursuant to specific statutory authority. Neither is true for this EO!

    And yes, I am a lawyer--and please don't consult Slashdot or Wikipedia for legal knowledge! I don't read Legal Times or the Harvard Law Review to find technical advice...sheesh...

    1. Re:Yikes Slashdot, stick to tech, not law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And yes, I am a lawyer ...

      Then you should well know that it isn't the "Administrative Procedures Act".

    2. Re:Yikes Slashdot, stick to tech, not law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "please don't consult Slashdot or Wikipedia for legal knowledge!"

      In regards to Wikipedia. Why not. A lawyer, judge or law professor could have contributed to the Wikipedia information. It has just as much weight, if not more, as your legal comments here on /.

    3. Re:Yikes Slashdot, stick to tech, not law by onemorechip · · Score: 1
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    4. Re:Yikes Slashdot, stick to tech, not law by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Yes but it can also be an unqualified person adding to the article which is why you shouldn't consult either of these instead of proper legal documentation. Wiki will tell you a lot but none of it is guranteed to be correct. That's also why students regularly fail because they used Wikipedia as their main source. Wiki is a starting point but not a replacement for texts written by experts.

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    5. Re:Yikes Slashdot, stick to tech, not law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      A lawyer, judge or law professor could have contributed to the Wikipedia information.

      I love wikipedia, and you could be right that any given piece of information in an entry was written by an expert in the field. But I wouldn't take it to the judge.

      Moreover, when parties have a direct disagreement over a fact, reference to wikipedia is pointless. After all, you can make it say what you want it to, and I can change it.

  46. If true, NASA is terminally ill by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If, after two shuttle disasters, you overrule your safety chief and your chief engineer to proceed with a launch, and you punish someone for giving you advice contrary to what you want, you're incurable. No shock, no external event can overcome the rot.

    This incident should put an end to the allegations that engineers with decades of experience were just engaged in CYA when they warned about safety problems. This is a guy who's had his A handed to him for speaking up. A bureaucrat would have gone along: he was willing to lose his job rather than toe the line(*).

    Unless the reporting on this was seriously wrong then it is time to scrap NASA and start over.

    (*)Sorry, forgot where I was. Make that "loose his job rather than tow the line".

    1. Re:If true, NASA is terminally ill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Engineers, of all people, know that nothing is ever perfectly safe. They also know - the decent ones know, anyway - that at a certain point you have to accept that there will be some risk and move forward anyway. It may be that this engineer was unable to do that. Which we can all understand, I think, since it's quite clear the shuttle is fundamentally unsafe in several serious ways; but that said, we do have a need for a space program in some form. We're working on getting a safer replacement done, but for now we have to get by with stopgaps and flawed technology. Which is, of course, another problem: if you've spent decades working on the shuttle, it becomes your baby and you want to fix it instead of throwing it out with the bath water.

      I'm not saying that's what happened here. I'm just saying that at a certain point, fighting for a feature - even a really important one like safety - ceases to be advocacy and turns into whining and getting in the way of actual work. In which case it'd be good that he was let go.

      Something to consider, anyway.

    2. Re:If true, NASA is terminally ill by lostchicken · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem with these sort of things is that NASA is placed in an absolutely impossible situation if someone cries wolf to the press, and there isn't a wolf to be found. The same sort of thing happened with the A380.

      This engineer felt that there was a fundamental design issue with an IC used in the pressurization system of an airliner. His bosses and fellow engineers, all the way up the chain felt otherwise. This has been an absolute nightmare for Airbus, and even if we assume that the directors have no sense of morals and are just looking at the bottom line, it would likely have been cheaper just to fix whatever problem was there than deal with the aftermath of some engineer writing to any newspaper that'll print him, so they looked. And, in the opinion of all the other engineers in the program, there wasn't a problem. Now what? You either keep him on and let this guy spout off forever about how dangerous your product is, likely causing the shareholders to demand a vendor switch even with nothing at all wrong just because it will look bad for the airframe, a hugely expensive gamble for the Airbus group, or you fire him and try to shut him up, and now everybody screams cover-up.

      I'm not necessarily saying this is an analogous situation. I don't know what went on in the meetings where he got transferred, or what he said to piss people off. I am saying that it's not always as simple as people think.

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    3. Re:If true, NASA is terminally ill by PatrickThomson · · Score: 1

      Maybe the difference between that engineer and all his superiors is that the engineer knows what he's talking about and the others only see "expense vs no expense"

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    4. Re:If true, NASA is terminally ill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The person who fired the lead engineer for voicing safety concerns is a Bush political appointee. I do not think NASA should be penalized for the decision of Bush's delegate.

      It should be noted that the two major shuttle disasters in NASA's history have happened under Republican-president political appointees. It is interesting that the party whose value is small government seems to beg the question by incompetent governing (they then use the resulting problems as justification for cutting programs they do not value). FEMA is but one example.

    5. Re:If true, NASA is terminally ill by Teancum · · Score: 1

      One huge difference in this case is not because he is merely an engineer, but the **Chief**, or somebody who is in a position to specifically make this call... or should be.

      If there is anybody who should make this sort of call, and to whom it is expected should make a decision like this, it is this individual. By ignoring this advise, it is ignoring essentially the entire engineering team and the person who speaks for all of the engineers as a whole. It is not just one lone nut job that should be ignored.

      God, I would hate to be in the position to replace this engineer, but the "honorable" thing to do here is for all subsequent engineers at NASA to follow suit, deny the request, until nobody is left to put into that position. Unfortunately not everbody is willing to stand for principles like this and eventually "sombody" will be found to sign off on the launch even if the concerns are not addressed. This is also a strong sign that bean counters and lawyers are making the decisions that are much better left for engineers, and that safety is not being taken seriously.

      Comparing this to the A380 would be like having not just a single engineer who objects, but the whole engineering department, or at least the department head. If I were a shareholder and heard that department heads were being fired over safty issues that they objected to, I would be very concerned myself.

      As a taxpayer (shareholder of sorts in this sense), I am very concerned about this issue regarding the Shuttle, and in some ways hope that this flight fails just to prove that NASA is screwed up and needs to be killed completely as an agency. Or a major overhaul where a guy like Camarda isn't just fired, he is promoted and made the agency head instead.

      Furthermore, this guy is an astronaut to boot, and knows that his ass is on the line in terms of a flag-draped coffin if he is wrong. That sort of focuses your attention on these matters in a more personal way.

  47. Republicans love Regulation by sheldon · · Score: 1

    Where they differ is over who ought to be protected.

    Republicans believe that Business should be protected from Competition.

    Democrats believe People should be protected from Business.

    This isn't a new thing, this has been the way the Republican party has been for the past century or more.

    1. Re:Republicans love Regulation by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      And liberals believe that competition should be protected from the people?

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  48. Re:Regulation, Good or Bad? by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
    I know none of this comes as a shock to anyone reading /. but when will it escape being a truism and start being a concern for voters!?

    When there's a qualifying exam for voting, like there should be for parenting.

    Yes, I realize there's a whole other can of worms there. But, I just learned that two companies (Diebold and ESS) count 80% of all votes in the US. The punch line? The owners of both companies are brothers. (Actually, one is president, the other is a VP.)

    Democracy is dead.

    Oh, and don't expect to see close races like the last two. Nor 99-100% like Saddam received. It'll be 60/40 in Republican favor: that's not a landslide, and it's also not "too close" to receive support for a recount.

    I wish I was joking.

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  49. As Reagan begat Bush... by Lev13than · · Score: 1

    When Nasser became president, he sought someone less intelligent than he to be the vice president. He found Sadat. Sadat did the same and found Mubarak.
    Mubarak still doesn't have a vice president.

    Sounds like it's a good time for Dan Quayle to brush up his resume.

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  50. Returning to a Constitutionally Limited Government by usurper_ii · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Constitution (Article I, Section 1) states that only congress has the power to make laws. The executive branch and the judicial branch have no legislative powers, whatsoever. And Congress does not have the constitutional authority to delegate its legislative power to institutions that are beyond electoral accountability to the American people.

    So why is there never a word said about the fourth branch of the federal government: the unconstitutional and entirely illegal regulatory branch?

    What are the alphabet agencies -- FDA, EPA, OSHA, and so on -- doing when they pass laws? And, while these laws are called regulations, so as not to upset anyone who might actually read the Constitution, the Webster's dictionary defines regulation as a rule, ordinance or law.

    If America is ever to return to its constitutionally limited government, these illegal federal agencies must be abolished. If laws are needed in certain areas they must be passed by Congress. If laws are unpopular, the citizens should be able to vote out the lawmakers that enacted them. This is not possible in the regulatory branch of the government, the majority of whom are not elected nor held accountable to the people.

    Usurper_ii

  51. Protecting the Java trademark:No Problem by rfc1394 · · Score: 2, Informative

    If Sun wants to protect the use of the Java trademark so that others implementing Java runtime systems remain compatible with the standard, there already is a method available. It's called a "certification mark" or "membership mark" class of trademark or servicemark. If you live in the United States, you're almost certainly aware of one very famous certification mark, the "UL" label on electrical appliances. Companies supply samples of their equipment to Underwriters Laboratories, which basically tests the device to destruction, then if the fail point is higher than the minimum standard, UL grants them permission to affix the UL certification mark to their equipment.

    A "membership mark" would be used where some organization is allowed to use a mark to show it's a member of a group or has qualified to show the particular mark. I think the "Energy Star" label from the Department of Energy would fit here.

    The only requirement to do this is that someone else — that does not distribute the software — has to be the certification authority (you can't be both owner of a certification mark and a user of it, that would be a conflict of interest.) But they'd probably want to do that anyway, the way IBM turned over the Eclipse IDE to a separate foundation after they decided to release it open source.

    So, there's already plenty of existing systems available for Sun to use a system to "protect" the Java trademark and the "write once, run anywhere" concept. And a small license fee for those who want to use the mark to cover testing costs for verifying compliance could make the whole thing self-funding.

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  52. lousy t-shirt & unlimited downloads? by usurper_ii · · Score: 1

    Personally, I think that if you have to sell your house, use your college funds up, or spend the next 20 - 30 years of your life working to pay off your fine...that at least that should get you a lifetime of unlimited downloads.

    Usurper_ii

  53. Bad deal by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Why do you have to feel sorry for Milne? Because she can't freeload off work her grandmother did a century ago?

    It would either be her or this other company freeloading - in reality of course it should all be public domain by now. But given that is not possible it's kind of a shame that the granddaughter does not have fuller control over what is essentially a family legacy.

    You are thinking of her only as a freeloader but her responsibiltiy to her grandfather is that of a steward, and without full rights she cannot complete that task as well as she might be able.

    For instance, perhaps she would have been able to stop the development of horrid pooh bears dressed in bee outfits. *shudder*

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  54. Totally Wrong About Kelo by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1, Informative

    Actually, Bush's executive order says nothing that has any effect. What it "means" is subject to lots of discussion. But of course an executive order cannot contradict an express Supreme Court decision. Even if that decision is unjust, or if the court is loaded with Bush's corporate appointees.

    The only way to counter a Supreme Court decision, which interprets actions in the context of American laws, is to make new laws. That power is reserved to the Congress, not the president, as anyone who ever saw Schoolhouse Rock knows.

    Despite the neocon "unitary executive" ("king") philosophy, the president is optional (when Congress overrides a presidential veto), but Congress never is, when making laws.

    Of course, with Republicans controlling all three branches of our government, it's hard to tell how the powers are separated. Of course, that's why Republicans are doing all these antiamerican actions, while they have the chance.

    And when Bush can sign such a BS order, and have naive people post, publish and read on Slashdot that it somehow "repeals" a Court decision (the correct term is "rescind", even when that is actually the effect), we can tell why they do it. Because when people believe it, it has effect. Even when it's the kind of destruction of America that our enemies have always dreamed of.

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    1. Re:Totally Wrong About Kelo by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Moderation -1
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      My original post is factual, linked to references, and uses simple logic. No wonder TrollMods hate it: they hate America. Or at least the America we used to know and love, until about 6 years ago.

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    2. Re:Totally Wrong About Kelo by spun · · Score: 1

      Nah, Doc my man, they just hate you, because you are a liberal who won't just lay down and die when they bark at you, like liberals are supposed to do. You come back swinging and they hate that, that's their prerogative.

      Try using that good old fashioned liberal conciliatory tone once in a while, you know, "I can see your point, and it is valid, and I respect your right to have it, but in my opinion..." Oh wait, that's for namby-pamby hippie liberals who actually give a fuck how those asshats feel. Here's another idea: kick 'em in the nuts, then kick 'em again for me.

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    3. Re:Totally Wrong About Kelo by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Moderation -1
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      TrollMods have modpoints to spare for lying about the Supreme Court.

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    4. Re:Totally Wrong About Kelo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you've been misinformed about the executive order in question, or have misread the order. What's essentially happened is this:

      SCOTUS: You have the constitutional power to do X.
      Bush: I will never exercise my power to do X.

      Though, true enough, since the president can change his mind at any time, it's fairly meaningless. And since local governments aren't bound by executive order, this would not have affected Kelo. Even so, it gives me some fleeting hope that the president isn't a total douche.

    5. Re:Totally Wrong About Kelo by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I read it, and I read the analysis and discussion to which I linked, among others.

      Of course the president is a total douche. If it's law, he has to execute it, regardless of his bogus "executive order". If he doesn't, someone damaged by his inaction can sue him, and the court must find that he must act. That's how our balance/separation of powers system works.

      If he weren't a total douche, he would get his Republican Congress to change or create a law supporting whatever policy that roundabout order actually says. Or just saying that the government cannot confiscate private property without a compelling emergency, no possible other alternative, and providing overcompensation. The basic law that every reasonable American thinks is in control, that everyone actually watching that order would like it to mean. Instead, it's just grandstanding to the actual conservatives who prioritize property rights and are fleeing Bush's voter alliance. And also building a constituency of people who prefer the power of executive order to our balanced/separated powers system.

      You know, "tyranny". The preferred government of our total douche president.

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    6. Re:Totally Wrong About Kelo by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I'm not really "liberal". I'm a libertian - a libertarian who stands for a popular government protecting people's liberty. A libertarian who doesn't just want to get away with shooting someone.

      I'm from the Hunter Thompson "Freak Party" school - again, without the gun fetish. Though I'm a crack shot since the Boy Scouts taught me survival in paramilitary camp.

      I get off on frying fascists and other robots who dare say something stupid against me. In person, I enjoy persuasion when it works: concilliation, common ground, acceptance of disagreement. But even in person, slamming counterattacks before a live audience wins more converts to think for themselves than just "inclusion". Including the rapist gets you raped, and I'm not available for that dance. I'm up for the downstroke in any good "stomp the fascist" party, though. Keeps my humor coursing my veins like a greased snake.

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    7. Re:Totally Wrong About Kelo by spun · · Score: 1

      You must be a little "l" libertarian. You seem to have a social conscience and care about the little guy. Big "L" Libertarians are often social Darwinists, I find. Libertarian's rabid focus on property rights can be a tad disconcerting. Property is Theft after all. But Proudhon also said, "Property [is] a triumph of Liberty. For it is born of Liberty ... Property is the only power that can act as a counterweight to the State, because it shows no reverence for princes, rebels against society and is, in short, anarchist." So I tend to take the syndicalist view towards ownership of natural resources. But anarcho-syndicalism still supports the basic idea that the fruits of a person's labor are there own.

      There really is something innately satisfying about stomping the fascists, isn't there? Most humans are born with a desire for equity and justice, and stomping the fascists satisfies those drives like eating a gourmet meal satisfies the hunger drive.

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    8. Re:Totally Wrong About Kelo by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Stomping the fascists combines defending my community (the province of heroes), kicking bully ass (as we're trained by Hollywood), besting the machine (the geek's true hunger) and pure, uncut vindication (my favorite drug).

      I'm not quite a "libertarian" because I'm a realist. It's clear to me that 1/3 BILLION Americans (to say nothing of 6 BILLION humans) are unable to communicate among ourselves adequately without the structures of constitutional republican democracy. I'd love to see us ready to drop at least one of those words, eventually able to describe our governance as "liberty". Or better yet, evolved enough that a single syllable, like "free", could describe us. Maybe we'd be anarcho-syndicalists. Meanwhile, we need government to protect ourselves from ourselves and from others.

      Libertarians, even merely philosophical (not the poser political party), don't acknowledge the distortion of mutual freedom that technology brings to mere humans. Expression tech like publishing requires some moderate limits (like "truth in advertising"), transport requires more (like educated drivers), weapons even more (like competence and law respect). Real libertarianism doens't recognize how rights differ from those privileges, but libertism does.

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  55. Alaa Freed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you mean: Alan Freed?

    Come on, let's rock and roll with the Ramones...

  56. Re:Regulation, Good or Bad? by nateman1352 · · Score: 1

    Remember that its not only Republicans taking campaign donations, democrats take them too.

  57. Another lesson for Disney from Pooh by carlos92 · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Another lesson for Disney from Pooh by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Ah, Winnie the Grim Reaper

  58. Re:What a hypocrite by kimvette · · Score: 1

    "hey let's override the constitution at whim" is a universally good thing?

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  59. Camarda, who flew aboard the troubled flight of... by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 1

    ...Discovery last July

    Can someone tell me what this means? Did I miss a launch last year?

  60. You can't do that by Rydia · · Score: 0

    You can't simply sign an executive order saying "the supreme court is wrong." Even given the rather permissive language the court uses in Kelo, it would be the legislature, not the executive, that would be given the opportunity.

    Anyone who tries to justify this because they don't like Kelo is being intelectually dishonest. Good systems don't work like this.

    1. Re:You can't do that by tweek · · Score: 1

      I *THINK* this only applies to federal agencies. Sort of a mandate from the Boss. This wouldn't affect any STATE and lower governments from taking.

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  61. Yes, I did. by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Never mind.

  62. Re:Returning to a Constitutionally Limited Governm by tambo · · Score: 3, Interesting
    So why is there never a word said about the fourth branch of the federal government: the unconstitutional and entirely illegal regulatory branch?

    There's plenty said about them. The CIA has been in the news an awful lot recently, as I recall. Even the dingy old U.S. Patent & Trademark Office is getting a suprising amount of ink these days.

    The reason they're not discussed more is because their functions are pretty mundane. The public doesn't care how the NIH decides to award federal grants, or how the SEC polices the stock market. Just printing the letters "IRS" in an article headline will guarantee that the public ignores it.

    This is an extremely deleterious consequence of America's love of drama - the undramatic goes unmonitored. Meanwhile, our politicians keep us amused (and distracted from their actions) by waving flags and conjuring images of terr'ists.

    What are the alphabet agencies -- FDA, EPA, OSHA, and so on -- doing when they pass laws? And, while these laws are called regulations, so as not to upset anyone who might actually read the Constitution, the Webster's dictionary defines regulation as a rule, ordinance or law.

    :shrug: Webster's is for colloquial English; I recommend trying Black's Law Dictionary. Unfortunately, my copy isn't here, but I'd bet my eye teeth that it does more than merely suggest that "law" and "regulation" are synonyms.

    Agency regulations are not laws. Laws are rules that apply to your actions: things that you may do, or must do, or must not do. Agency regulations are rules that apply to the actions of an agency: how it can utilize a power (that has already been given to it by the Executive or Legislative), how it cannot utilize a power, etc.

    It's true that an agency sometimes relies on its own regulations to determine how to treat you. But the agency's power to deal with you in such a way was given to it by a law. And if the agency oversteps its legal authority, then a regulation won't save it.

    Example: The IRS has many regulations that dictate how you must pay your federal taxes. Yet, these regulations aren't laws - the law passed by Congress is that:

    1. You must submit an annual federal income tax payment; and
    2. The IRS is responsible for creating a tax formula that adheres to the dictates of the legislature; and
    3. You must use the IRS formula, and follow the IRS submission procedures, to prove that you're paying the correct amount.
    Now, what happens if the IRS believes that you've failed your legal duties under #1 or #3? It can't do anything to you! It has no such power. It merely tells the executive branch that you've violated the tax laws, and the executive prosecutes you for evasion - under the general tax laws passed by Congress.

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  63. We don't believe you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ensure no particular company uses market forces as muscle for its own implementation, a move that would threaten Java's "write once, run anywhere" mantra."

    Ha! Given how long and hard it was to get Java on FreeBSD, the 'run anywere' part isn't right.

    And, how Mac OS X customers in the printing industry have to wait for the java code to be redone so it works on Intel Macs the same way as it used to work on PPC Macs...the write once part ain't right either.

    I'd have to say if Sun is 'worried', they should have been doing something about it sooner.

  64. Re:Regulation, Good or Bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Don't worry, things just might get better after all if enough people find out whats really going on: http://www.freedomtofascism.com/

    One can only hope anyway...

  65. Re:If it's a hit in Sweden, US will hopefully foll by tambo · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Its really not a good thing, the deals the RIAA offer you for breach of copyright are only small compared to what they are entitled to sue you for, this will only encourage the RIAA to more vigourously prosecute and increase fines.

    Two flaws in this argument:

    1. The RIAA's settlements are already calculated to maximize their return. These are business decisions based on how much money they can extract from you without a fight. If you'd decline any settlement over or equal to $100, then they're going to offer you $99.99. The mechanics of this decision are driven by (1) their costs in fighting the suit, (2) their odds of winning at trial, and (3) their perception of your likelihood to settle - if none of these things change, then their settlement offer won't, either.

      As for their perception of your likelihood to settle:

    2. You don't have to tell them that you're insured, since it's irrelevant to the case. And I don't think that the Piratbyran Insurance Group is going to reveal that information to them voluntarily! So the RIAA would have no way to know if you're insured, and would have to act accordingly (i.e., by assuming that you're not.)

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  66. Re:What a hypocrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My boss does allow me to uh... you know... read Slashdot at work...

  67. Protection money, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm, $19 to protect me from the music mafia... because, if I don't pay it, something *bad* might happen to me. Oh yeah, great news. FUCK YOU RIAA. You're not getting a dime from me.

  68. 4th of July fireworks for the shuttle by plopez · · Score: 1

    I have a suspicion that the launch date is driven by a desire to be in orbit for the 4th 0f July? Marketing driven launch dates.

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    1. Re:4th of July fireworks for the shuttle by mjwx · · Score: 2, Funny

      I see, this is how NASA plans a fireworks show.

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    2. Re:4th of July fireworks for the shuttle by popsicle67 · · Score: 1

      And there is not a damn thing wrong with that. Why are people so interested in keeping man tied to this planet. I for one would cheris the chance to go into space regardless of the risk. Why does everything have to be perfectly safe before we le it happen? I think lawyers have ruined this country's spirit by legitimizing every whining little bitch's ache and moan and turning it into money(mostly for the lawyer) so that if something truly stupendous is going to happen we all have to worry about what kind of lawsuits may be filed. The worst part about this is that now they have a billion little soldiers just like you all running around saying "Your doing this to make money" and "If anything goes wrong your nuts are in a vice"

  69. Re:If it's a hit in Sweden, US will hopefully foll by Bonker · · Score: 1

    Being insured against lawsuits is the single quickest way to get sued.

    That said, I'm-a thinkin' about sending these fellers $19 for merely the piece of paper. I doubt a Sweedish firm would be a lot of help for Americans sent to Guantanamo and summarily tortured for their file sharing offenses, but I'd certainly like to see such a business model be proven worth-while.

    This kind of protection boils down to "We'll insure you against racketeering." Right now, I'd love to have that here in the U.S.. I try to keep my nose clean, but I had a friend get reamed not too long ago for many thousands of dollars because he was caught with a card writer during the whole Dish Network fiasco.

    He even wanted to fight it, but his lawyer advised him that the settlement would be cheaper in the long run. Defacto tyrrany by lawsuit is a growing norm. I'd *LOVE* to be a facless $19 statistic in some anti-tyrrany organization's counter.

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  70. Hell if I know, I sent my rep a "screw you" note. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Are Republicans for or against regulation? The answer is "yes." Regulation is a bad thing, if their current "donors" say so. It's also a good thing, for the very same reasons.

    I honestly don't know any more. At one time, I agreed with them about what I thought to be the most important issues, but now all I see is them selling me up the river to telecom bastards. I've registered as a Republican since I was first able to vote, and I've never failed to vote for *anything* no matter how minor the office.

    For whatever it's worth, I sent my representative a SCREW YOU! type note explaining that I wasn't going to stand for this. In the mean time, I think I'll consider myself a Pirate Party member at heart and vote for whoever I think is best able to undermine the bastards currently screwing me over.

  71. Re:Returning to a Constitutionally Limited Governm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    And Congress does not have the constitutional authority to delegate its legislative power to institutions that are beyond electoral accountability to the American people.

    Not quite. Congress cannot delegate "its legislative power" to an administrative agency (neither, at the risk of parsing your statement too finely, can it delegate "its legislative power" to an agency). That would be too broad a delegation, which the Supreme Court has found unconstitutional. That is, Congress could not say to the Securities & Exchange Commission, for example, "here, you guys go make the laws for a while."

    but your main concern is well founded. In finding certain (sweeping) delegations of legislative power to agencies unconstitutional in the 1930s, the Supreme Court made the constitutional question turn on whether an act of delegation is too broad rather than whether it is a delegation of legislative power. [In all fairness to the Supreme Court, though, it is impossible to take a purely "functionalist" perspective of separation of powers. Any "rule" that either requires people (or any legal entity) to do something or forbids them from doing something can be said to be "legislative" in nature. But this can be indistinguishable from an act executive power. For example, to enforce a law forbidding certain accounting practices, an agency may require companies to submit or retain certain documents.]

    In making it a matter of how broad a congressional delegation can be -- whether Congress has delegated its "essential legislative function" -- the door was thrown open to very wide delegations of law-making power that are (ostensibly) pursuant to very vague congressional standards (i.e. "intelligible principles" of Hampton v. US). Thus Congress has delegated to (unelected) agency heads the power to do such things as set "just and reasonable" rates that firms in various industries can charge, to "prohibit unfair trade practices", etc.

    So I very much appreciate your point: Congress has delegated to unelected, and largely unaccountable, agencies a vast amount of power to make laws, within their regulatory scope or jurisdiction, usually subject only to highly vague "standards". While Congress may not be able to legislate down to the finest details, to me that's rather the point: government that does not encroach personal freedom any more than necessary to accomplish certain, limited purposes does not need to regulate the fine details!

  72. Not subcomment in story by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    While indeed the whole issue would be moot without copyright that's not what the snide remark was implying. It was saying specifically that the courts ruling was a direct result of Disney's support of copyright extensions when all they were doing was upholding a contract!

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    1. Re:Not subcomment in story by cei · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Paramount Wins 'The War of the World' Rights
      Fri Apr 19, 2002, 7:41 PM ET

      NEW YORK (Reuters) - The grandchildren of author H.G. Wells lost their bid to control "The War of the Worlds" when Paramount Pictures was granted exclusive television rights to the science fiction novel in a ruling made public on Friday.

      Manhattan Supreme Court Judge Ira Gammerman, in a six-page decision, said the Wells grandchildren, who filed a suit against Paramount nearly 18 months ago, "are unable to sell the right to produce and distribute a television motion picture/miniseries based on the novel to Hallmark Cards Entertainment Productions LLC."

      The novel earned a place in pop culture after actor Orson Welles set off a nationwide panic with his famed radio broadcast of "War of the Worlds" in 1938.

      When H.G. Wells died in 1946, he left all his rights and interests in the novel to his son, Frank. After his death, Frank Wells' children, Martin and Robin Wells as trustees of their father's estate, began negotiations with Hallmark to produce and distribute a TV miniseries based on the novel.

      When Paramount learned of the negotiations in 1988, it asserted exclusive ownership of the television rights, based on a 1951 contract signed by Frank Wells.

      The grandchildren and Hallmark as plaintiffs in the action had argued that while the 1951 contract gave Paramount "extensive motion picture rights" this was "not television rights."

      But the judge ruled that "any motion pictures that Paramount has the right to produce, it also has the right to televise."

      The grandchildren in their suit had attempted to draw a distinction between "motion pictures" and "television miniseries."

      "Such a distinction is untenable," the judge wrote.

      Paramount is owned by Viacom Inc.
      WotW was first published in 1898. Wells died in 1946. His heirs signed a contract in 1951. Is contract law trumping copyright law now? Shouldn't WotW be in the public domain, and thus allowing anyone to make derivative works regardless of medium?
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    2. Re:Not subcomment in story by geekoid · · Score: 1

      You could always sign a contract to give some permission, or exclusice permission, to your copyright.
      I believe the current copyright length is an obscene authors death plus 75 years.

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    3. Re:Not subcomment in story by cei · · Score: 1

      That is, in fact, the current copyright length. But as written, that only applies to works created after 1978.

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  73. No Sign Bit by dna_(c)(tm)(r) · · Score: 1

    Java uses the Twos complement notation

    There is no 'sign' bit

    1. Re:No Sign Bit by dna_(c)(tm)(r) · · Score: 1

      Well, actually, there is a sign bit. But I meant to say that it is not sufficient to flip the sign bit to make the corresponding positive/negative number.

    2. Re:No Sign Bit by Per+Bothner · · Score: 1
      But I meant to say that it is not sufficient to flip the sign bit to make the corresponding positive/negative number.

      I didn't say that. I said it suffices to flip the sign bit to compare two unsigned integers using signed integer comparisons:
      (unsigned) X > (unsigned) Y
      iff: (int) (X^0x80000000) > (int) (Y^0x80000000).

  74. Java by fabu10u$ · · Score: 1
    Open source Java months away? bl8n8r writes "A Sun Microsystems Inc. executive said Tuesday said the company is 'months' away from releasing its trademark Java programming language under an open-source license. Simon Phipps, chief open-source officer for Sun, said the company is ruminating over two major issues: how to keep Java compatible and ensure no particular company uses market forces as muscle for its own implementation, a move that would threaten Java's 'write once, run anywhere' mantra."
    I'll believe it when I see it. Sun has gotten cold feet and reneged on other similar announcements before.
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  75. I'm Illiterate by NexFlamma · · Score: 1

    I read the headline as "Allah Freed". For a moment I was amazed that the DoJ was able to detain a major deity.

    1. Re:I'm Illiterate by Rick.C · · Score: 2, Funny
      For a moment I was amazed that the DoJ was able to detain a major deity.

      Deities who don't show up for the weekly DoJ prayer meetings are automatically placed on the "potential terrorists" list and subject to detention/interrogation whenever or wherever they are found.

      It's in the DoJ bylaws somewhere.
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  76. Re:What a hypocrite by Majik+Sheff · · Score: 1

    The universally good thing the GP referred to is the limiting of the federal government's ability to take private property away from its rightful owners. While eminent domain has been present throughout US history, Kelo sets an unprecedented standard of what is considered "public use" that left a bitter taste in the mouth of every citizen who is concerned about their property rights.

    Since you seem to like Kelo I can only assume that you do not own any land. I do own land (a whopping 1/3 acre) and this judgement frankly scares the willies out of me. What will the government decide to take next?

    If you do own land, consider this: A developer decides they want to build a mall where your neighborhood now stands. The developer, empowered by the Kelo judgement, convinces your city council that the land would bring in more property taxes as a mall. The council approves change and now it falls on the developer to purchase your land.
    The developer gives you an offer of about 80% of what your land is worth. You naturally tell the developer to take a hike, as do most of your neighbors. The developer then sends you an offer of 85%. A few more of your neighbors sell out, but you stay. At this point, the developer is tired of playing games.
    The developer goes to the city council again, this time with an appeal for some help in acquiring the land. City council responds by rezoning the neighborhood (commercial zone brings in more taxes, thanks Kelo!). This renders your property worthless. The developer now offers you 20% of the value of your(?!) land. You have no choice now but to take whatever they offer as your house is now no longer legally a residence.

    After this has happened, you can take comfort in knowing that your land is now doing much more for the public good. I hope it keeps you warm.

    This is not a scenario that I pulled out of the air to make a point. This happened in my home town. The city council now has a lot of new faces, but that doesn't give the displaced people much comfort.

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  77. Re:If it's a hit in Sweden, US will hopefully foll by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

    Being insured against lawsuits is the single quickest way to get sued.

    Many (most?) frivolous lawsuits are only threatened when the one suing is expecting the victim to back down without a fight because the cost of fighting is too high. If the victim can afford a defense the chance of anyone attempting to sue them is much lower since a victim that fights back is usually not worth the trouble.

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  78. Re:Regulation, Good or Bad? by Alsee · · Score: 1

    Q: What's a hundred times worse than tax-and-spend-liberals?

    A: Borrow-and-spend-conservatives.

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  79. Absolute rights by bobbuck · · Score: 1
    Rights that are not absolute are just suggestions.

    I guess I should get as much wisdom from Hugo Chavez as I can right now. He might be kinda quiet from now until the next election in 2026.

    1. Re:Absolute rights by hyfe · · Score: 1

      1. Stop spreading lies. Please. This meme is even worse then the 'I invented the internet claim'-meme.

      What he wanted was 'If the opposition refuses to run in presidential elections (which they have done to delegitamete the elections as much as possible, due to them having no popular support whatsoever), he wanted the possibility of running in consecutive elections.

      2. And property rights are absolute in the US? Did you read GP, did you read the article? Confiscating property has been common practice a long time, only difference is the US is more corrupt (although you seem to have implemented it as a feature instead of a bug).

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    2. Re:Absolute rights by bobbuck · · Score: 1
      1. Dude, Chavez is Castro Jr. Don't defend him. Even the Left is backing away from this guy. Do you really think that there will be any fair elections in Venezuela in the future? Do you think that someone who tried to violently overthrow the government before he got to power will suddenly see the virtue of democracy (without threats and intimidation)? The reason he wants to be able to run in consecutive elections is pretty transparent, just like when he packed the Supreme Court with his men.

      2. I didn't say property rights are absolute in the USA, but you can't seriously suggest that the US is more corrupt than Venezuela. At least the editor of USA Today didn't have to worry about 'having an accident' after publishing the Kelo story.

    3. Re:Absolute rights by hyfe · · Score: 1
      1. Ooohh.. he is evil, don't defend him! The elections has been deemed fair by the international observers time and time again. As usual, it was the opposition, without popular support, who were crying foul. Does it not strike as strange that the opposition are consentrating their PR-campaign on foreign-media? They've given up on winning elections back home. The people will not support the Aristocrats, and I surely don't blame them. Given how rich Venezuela is, it's a bloody outrage they have so many poor people. (my country, was in the same situation 30 years ago, ridicilously shit poor and then found oil. We chose sosialsm from the start, and we're now bloody well off)

      ..packing the Supreme Court with his men. That doesn't happen in any other Western Superpowers now does it?

      The reason he wants to be able to run in consecutive elections is pretty transparent,
      I agree; but as long as he's upholding the elections I hardly see the problem.

      2. Yes, I can. It depends a whole lot on your definition of corruption though, but mine is somewhere near 'anytime an elected official does something detrimental to the general populace in area; ie putting special financial interests ahead of the population (and yes, occasionally helping special interests is for the good of the general populace, but that doesn't break the argument). No-Broadcast-flag, DMCA and microsoft-case being dumped are all clear cases of corruption in my opinion; ie special interests of the few being put ahead of what could have made society better.

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    4. Re:Absolute rights by bobbuck · · Score: 1
      "The elections has been deemed fair by the international observers time and time again."

      Who besides Jimmy Carter and Hugo Chavez endorsed the election? The EU wouldn't for lack of transparency. Even the written endorsement from Jimmy Carter amounted to "Hugo's a great guy and I just trust him." Many voted for him because they would lose their government benefits if they didn't. Not that the programs would go away, but that specifically the people that didn't support him would be cut off. Even if you think socialism is the greatest thing in the world, Hugo is still a criminally minded thug. I'm firmly in the capitalist camp but I don't think every capitalist is a saint worthy for dictatorship. The Venezuela media are afraid to critcize Chavez. People are starting to disappear. In the next 'election' you will see Hugo get all of the vote and that is not possible with a fair national election.

      "Given how rich Venezuela is, it's a bloody outrage they have so many poor people."

      It's getting worse...The money they take in from petroleum is going to arms, not social programs.

    5. Re:Absolute rights by hyfe · · Score: 1
      Who besides Jimmy Carter and Hugo Chavez endorsed the election?

      I was under the impression that there were inspectors there under UN governance, aswell as various volunteer organisations. I'll check sources. In the meantime, feel free to find anything near credible sources saying the opposite (and right-wing papers who willingly spread the 26-year lies without correcting them does *not* count)

      Many voted for him because they would lose their government benefits if they didn't.

      And that's an argument against what? People voted for him because the opposition would have stripped away their benefits? That's as inane as another guy on Slashdot who was complaining about their democrazy because Chavez was giving state money to the poor and of course they were going to vote for him then!

      The Venezuela media are afraid to critcize Chavez.

      Yes. The state-run media don't. The corporate media do. They're both tainted as **** and any argument useable against one side is useable against the other though. Media there simply isn't working. That said, I think the situation there is actually more balanced now than when the you only had one one-sided view, the aristrocrats. Now you have two one-sided views, which is a helluva lot better.

      People are starting to disappear.

      I'll believe this when I see it from a credible source.. I sincerely hope I'm just blinded by the hope that Venezuela can turn themselves around, and considering the amount of FUD that's certifiably not-true I'm really not inclined to take this at face-value from you. I mean, you believed the 26-year old myth, which means you're really not bothering reading alternate news-sources.

      In the next 'election' you will see Hugo get all of the vote and that is not possible with a fair national election.

      Yeah right. Even if you're right, and he's a criminally minded tug he's way smarter than that. Please, try and put away *some* of your emotions.

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    6. Re:Absolute rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember seeing an article on Chavez in National Geographic recently. I don't recall if they mentioned any issues with the election, but they did have a few interviews with some of Chavez's party leaders in the parliamentary body (forget whether it's a parliament, or a congress, or what). They sounded extremely partisan - "you're 100% for us, or you are our enemy" taken to an extreme. Not that we haven't heard that from Congressional Republicans, particularly during Bush's first term. But the fact that it happens in the US doesn't mean that it isn't a bad idea, either in the US or in Venezuela.

      The article also generally painted a picture of Chavez as doing things for show, not because they are the best thing, or sustainable. They suggested that a lot of the spending programs are probably unsustainable, and are relatively ineffective at reducing poverty. It sounds like a lot of it is funded by redirecting oil money from a government trust fund to pay for programs, and that his foreign spending is generally out of line with the country's best interests. Again, unsustainable spending and ineffective programs are nothing unusual in the US...but don't do it just because we do. It's still a bad idea.

  80. No Wonder by mkw87 · · Score: 1
    No wonder it didn't go through, who's gonna trust some crazy DnD player?

    and Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.)

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  81. Re:Returning to a Constitutionally Limited Governm by thebdj · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wow, you really have no understanding of the US Government do you? Most those agencies you named are part of the Executive Branch, not some mystery fourth branch like you say. These are all "policing" agencies, which technically fall under the Executive Branch, if you read the Constitution. Now, I cannot speak for all the groups, but most of them were assigned their powers through...get this...Congress!

    The FCC, for example, was created as part of the Federal Communications Act of 1934. Their powers are relegated to them by Congressional Acts, and they have been slapped by SCOTUS before for overstepping the bounds laid before them in the law and for acting without Congressional approval. The USPTO, as another example, is given some support by the original Constitution, but all the laws for it were written through acts of Congress. The laws were merely "clarified" in some instances by the CAFC and SCOTUS. They also have a set of regulations, but in their case, the CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) which are applied to patents do not hold the weight of law.

    While the EPA was created by a President, Nixon to be exact, many of its "regulations" actually come from Acts of Congress. OSHA was also created by an act of Congress, conveniently having the same acronym.

    Really, please read up a little bit before accusing these groups of blatantly creating and enforcing laws. These groups did not just magically appear and are hardly some sort of rogue 4th branch of US Government.

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  82. Sun's concern very valid... by mi · · Score: 1

    I'm afraid, the folks at Open Office.org, for example, will start bundling their own Java with their next release.

    The fools are bundling so many other 3rd-party packages already (license be damned), it is frightening...

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  83. Re:Regulation, Good or Bad? by (trb001) · · Score: 1

    It used to be a Republican mantra, until they managed to win power, now suddenly old "tax-and-spend" liberals are thinking federalism isn't such a bad idea.

    I agree that Republicans are quite the federalists they used to be, but liberals/Democrats still aren't the better option for a limited government. Nowadays, they just want to spend our tax dollars on different programs than the Republicans do. There may be a few fiscally conservative, limited government liberals out there, but I can't name many, and certainly none of the ones who get the majority of the limelight fall into that category.

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  84. Re:Regulation, Good or Bad? by (trb001) · · Score: 1

    Sigh.

    I agree that Republicans aren't quite the federalists they used to be...

    --trb

  85. Open Source Java by HitScan · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't know what they're worried about, Java threatens Java's "write once, run anywhere" mantra.

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  86. OT: amusing visual image... by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

    Cut to Baron von Frankenstein (that's Frahnkunsteen) laboratory:

    Baron (yelling): Its ... ahhh ... NUISANCE!!!

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  87. Not officer material by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

    I have to wonder if Allah qualifies as a major deity, much more likely a victim of conscription by the fanatics, indicating a corporal deity, sergeant at best. Sadly the term of service is "for the duration".

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  88. Re:If it's a hit in Sweden, US will hopefully foll by Pendersempai · · Score: 1

    "In the US, this would count as contributory infringement I believe, and would be shut down."

    No more so than medical malpractice insurance is contributory malpractice. Insurance for legal liability is a common thing.

    The real reason this is not a long-term solution to the RIAA's lawsuits is that so far the RIAA has been settling for only about $5000 per case. If the party was insured, they might bring it to court and insist on the full $150,000 per infringement. No insurance could stand up to that; the provider would either go bankrupt or have to start charging obscenely high premiums.

  89. Real Winnie the Pooh by PhraudulentOne · · Score: 1

    Here is the link that explains where Winnie actually came from. I used to live in the town where Winnie was purchased and named. A few years back, they erected a big Winnie the Pooh statue. Check This link.

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  90. Law.COM Dictionary on regulations by jordandeamattson · · Score: 1
    Hi David -

    While it isn't Blacks (a wonderful reference which every polymath should have at hand), dictionary.law.com, has the following definitions for regulation and law:

    Regulations

    n. rules and administrative codes issued by governmental agencies at all levels, municipal, county, state and federal. Although they are not laws, regulations have the force of law, since they are adopted under authority granted by statutes, and often include penalties for violations. One problem is that regulations are not generally included in volumes containing state statutes or federal laws but often must be obtained from the agency or located in volumes in law libraries and not widely distributed. The regulation-making process involves hearings, publication in governmental journals which supposedly give public notice, and adoption by the agency. The process is best known to industries and special interests concerned with the subject matter, but only occasionally to the general public. Federal regulations are adopted in the manner designated in the Administrative Procedure Act (A.P.A.) and states usually have similar procedures.

    law

    n. 1) any system of regulations to govern the conduct of the people of a community, society or nation, in response to the need for regularity, consistency and justice based upon collective human experience. Custom or conduct governed by the force of the local king were replaced by laws almost as soon as man learned to write. The earliest lawbook was written about 2100 B.C. for Ur-Nammu, king of Ur, a Middle Eastern city-state. Within three centuries Hammurabi, king of Babylonia, had enumerated laws of private conduct, business and legal precedents, of which 282 articles have survived. The term "eye for an eye" (or the equivalent value) is found there, as is drowning as punishment for adultery by a wife (while a husband could have slave concubines), and unequal treatment of the rich and the poor was codified here first. It took another thousand years before written law codes developed among the Greek city-states (particularly Athens) and Israel. China developed similar rules of conduct, as did Egypt. The first law system which has a direct influence on the American legal system was the codification of all classic law ordered by the Roman Emperor Justinian in 528 and completed by 534, becoming the law of the Roman empire. This is known as the Justinian Code, upon which most of the legal systems of most European nations are based to this day. The principal source of American law is the common law, which had its roots about the same time as Justinian, among Angles, Britons and later Saxons in Britain. William the Conqueror arrived in 1066 and combined the best of this Anglo-Saxon law with Norman law, which resulted in the English common law, much of which was by custom and precedent rather than by written code. The American colonies followed the English Common Law with minor variations, and the four-volume Commentaries on the Laws of England by Sir William Blackstone (completed in 1769) was the legal "bible" for all American frontier lawyers and influenced the development of state codes of law. To a great extent common law has been replaced by written statutes, and a gigantic body of such statutes have been enacted by federal and state legislatures supposedly in response to the greater complexity of modern life. 2) n. a statute, ordinance or regulation enacted by the legislative branch of a government and signed into law, or in some nations created by decree without any democratic process. This is distinguished from "natural law," which is not based on statute, but on alleged common understanding of what is right and proper (often based on moral and religious precepts as well as common understanding of fairness and justice). 3) n. a generic term for any body of regulations for conduct, including specialized rules (military law), moral conduct under various religions and for organizations, usually called "bylaws

  91. Compulsory Purchase by spitzak · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't that really be "Compulsory Sale"? It's the one selling the property that is being forced, the government could change their mind and not buy it, so the purchaser is not being compulsed. Then again, maybe I'm not reading the grammer right.

    This is an intesting point, as you are right that this is a newspeak/doublespeak term. However it is an "old" one, like from last century or something, right? Does "newspeak" become "oldspeak" when it gets old enough, or does it remain "newspeak" forever?

  92. Kelo wasn't REPEALED dummy by delong · · Score: 1

    Kelo wasn't repealed, you can't "repeal" a court decision.

    The Supreme Court in Kelo set the Constitutional minimum, stinky as it was. Legislatures are then free to set higher bars than the Constitutional minimum. 31 state legislatures (and counting) have done so. The President's Executive Order only orders the federal executive agencies to limit eminent domain proceedings to the "public use" as defined by either law (Congress) or the Executive Order.

    Precision in language, people.

  93. Re:If it's a hit in Sweden, US will hopefully foll by Bonker · · Score: 1

    If God is omnipotent, can he run on Linux?

    Not only can God run on Linux, but Linux can run on God. This creates a sort of Deus ex Virtual Machina where You have have Linux running on God running on Linux running on God running on Linux, and so on.

    God also releases both His sources and binaries in a variety of formats. You've got Adam and Eve, the Immaculate Conception, and Holy Communion. Not only are you made in His image, but you've also got His DNA.

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  94. Absolutely Correct -- and More! by pacergh · · Score: 1

    First, most eminent domain situations occur at local levels as the above poster suggests. This affects those local levels not at all.

    Secondly, Kelo did nothing more than confirm the rights of the individual 50 State governments to define public use. This right had been laid out in case after case before Kelo, and if people take the time to read the Kelo opinion the realities that this case creates no new law is evident.

    Most property law professors were not surprised at the outcome, but many had hoped and wished that a more conservative court would overturn or modify some of the previous decisions. As it is, if a property professor was surprised by the outcome after reading the opinion, then that professor needs to leave their self-idealistic world and read some more caselaw on the matter.

    Kelo does nothing more than confirm States' rights to manage that States' property.

  95. Re:What a hypocrite by geekoid · · Score: 1

    "The universally good thing the GP referred to is the limiting of the federal government's ability to take private property away from its rightful owners."

    which, of course, Bush didn't do.
    He just said "We shouldn't do that."
    That is stilla good thing, but it's not like it has any real backing.

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  96. Re:Regulation, Good or Bad? by Tweekster · · Score: 1

    you seem to beleive that politics are black and white. Republicans believe this, democrats beleive that. WRONG.

    Regulation isnt always considered bad by one group or the other. It is a give an take situation.

    You cant simplify politics into these sweeping statements that fit into a single sentance.

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  97. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  98. Read what you posted by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Dude. Your own story states that the copyright fell to Frank. Frank then signed a contratc based on owning that copyright. Copyright is what made that contract binding because otherwise Frank would have no rights to sell!

    The article was about a differing opinion on the contract being only for movies,not TV rights. But "moving pictures" can be rebroadcast on TV. Read the last few paragraphs of your own story! Copyright, again, had nothing to do with THAT case either other than being the reason why the contract was still binding to all parties.

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  99. Re:If it's a hit in Sweden, US will hopefully foll by Thuktun · · Score: 1

    You don't have to tell them that you're insured, since it's irrelevant to the case. And I don't think that the Piratbyran Insurance Group is going to reveal that information to them voluntarily! So the RIAA would have no way to know if you're insured, and would have to act accordingly (i.e., by assuming that you're not.)

    Why would they choose that course? If someone *can* get ensured, and they're used to jacking up their prices until they reach what people are willing to pay, why wouldn't they raise their amounts to match what an insured person would pay? Then people worried about it *would* get insurance.

    In fact, RIAA might be able to make that into a money-making venture over and above the lawsuits themselves. Buy into one or more of the insurance companies offering this insurance and keep the pressure up just enough so that the demand for the insurance is high but they're not spending too much money paying themselves off. (Would that fall under the RICO Act?)

  100. Re:If it's a hit in Sweden, US will hopefully foll by tambo · · Score: 1
    Why would they choose that course?

    Because the supermajority of defendants will be uninsured.

    Let's start with the presumption that the RIAA has presumably already set its settlement offers to maximize return on uninsured people. This means that altering these offers in any way will result in lower yield for the RIAA for uninsured defendants.

    Now let's develop that presumption as a hypothetical equation:

    • P = the probability that any defendant will be insured. (The RIAA can't determine this value for any defendant, making this a crap shoot.)
    • G = the gained money that the RIAA could make off of an insured defendant (on average) by adjusting the insurance rate.
    • L = the money that the RIAA would lose off of an uninsured defendant (on average) by adjusting the insurance rate.
    The critical equation is: N = (G * P) - (L * (1-P)).

    N, here, is the net profit or loss of the adjustment. If N is positive, then adjusting the RIAA settlement policy results in more money, so it should change. If N is negative, then adjusting the policy would result in less money, so it should not change.

    I posit that N will undoubtedly be negative. I base this suggestion on the inference that P will be 0.00001 or smaller, i.e., only one out of every 100,000 defendants will be insured. So even if an alteration nets an additional $100,000 from an insured defendant but loses $1 from an uninsured defendant, then at an insurance rate of 0.00001, the RIAA only breaks even.

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