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Google Launches PayPal Rival

Google Checkout Launched Roy van Rijn informs us that Google's new online payment system is now online. "Under the name Checkout, the venture offers an incorporated manner to search, advertise and pay. If you buy something on Checkout, 2% and $0.20 go to Google. Paypal, the biggest competitor uses 1,9% and $0,30. Analysts compare Google/Paypal to for example Visa/Mastercard living peacefully together, while others predict the end of Paypal." W3K adds "You can use your Google account to store an unlimited number of credit cards and addresses. The service allows you to track all your orders and shipping in one place," and adds a link to a quick video tour.

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  1. NYT article by ems2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    NYT times also has a interesting article on this with quotes about Google's plans on what they want to do with this product.

  2. Re:End of Paypal ? by grazzy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm not sure gBay agrees.

  3. Re:End of Paypal ? by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just like GMail meant the end of Yahoo Mail, Hotmail, and the myriad of other online mail services. And how Google Maps meant the end of Mapquest andd MS Maps (??). I know that Google has created some welcome competition to many online services, forcing them to improve their offerings, but it hasn't completely killed the competition. Most people I know haven't switched from their current providers. However, I'm sure they would have if Hotmail stuck to 2MB, and Mapquest didn't touch their interface. I'm happy google's here, because it makes everyone else have to try harder. Let's hope the same happens to E-Bay. They haven't changed their interface since their inception.

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  4. New Revenue Streams Trend to Conservatism by kthejoker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think the most important thing about this entire endeavor is that it is the first Google product that plans on actually introducing a revenue stream besides advertising to the company (especially since the Google Pay Video system has more or less fell through at this point in time.)

    I'm not quite sure what that means for the long-term health of the company, but I suspect that the more streams of revenue a company has, the more likely they are to become conservative, entrenched, and reluctant to embrace change. Google has managed to avoid all that because they've had a strong beam focus on a single revenue stream (ad dollars) - as they start matriculating, I suspect that beam focus will dissipate.

    But then again, they're Google - they just work smarter than basically every other company out there today. So I put nothing out of their reach.

    1. Re:New Revenue Streams Trend to Conservatism by Doctor+Crumb · · Score: 5, Informative

      Read their pricing scheme; sellers get free transactions if they use adwords, and the more they spend on adwords, the more free transactions they get. So, while this is definitely a new revenue stream, it is *also* a way to further bolster their main revenue stream.

  5. Interconnected services by SolitaryMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    OK, I acknoledge that I'm paranoid, but the thing that makes me nervous about google services is that thay use single account for all purposes. This not only allows to keep track of my whole life, but also allows a person, who hijacks my email account, take control over my mail, internet messenger (IM was used for several famous frauds in Russia), and now money directly!

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  6. Customers DON'T pay... by jsharkey · · Score: 5, Informative
    Would you be prepared to pay 2% on every single purchase you made at an online store just so you don't have to "fill out forms"?
    Remember, the $0.20 + 2% is paid by the seller and is taken out of the actual price. Consumers will see no price difference.
    1. Re:Customers DON'T pay... by Fnord666 · · Score: 5, Informative
      Does anyone know what Visa and the others charge for their service?
      The amount charged to merchants for a sale varies greatly depending on the agreement between the merchant and the card processor. Factors can include the number of monthly transactions, total monthly dollar amount, number of chargebacks, swiped vs. manually entered transactions, etc. In general the google figure is probably in line or a bit lower than what most small business merchants are charged per transaction.

      The interesting things will be how chargebacks are handled, what fraud prevention measures are in place, and who eats the cost of fraud. With a credit card I get a lot of protection and infrastructure that handles all of this. Google will have to at least match this before I will consider using it.

      Personally I still don't know how Paypal manages to avoid being classified as a bank by the government.

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  7. US residents only! by dapyx · · Score: 5, Informative
    Has anyone noticed it's only for US residents?
    By agreeing to this Terms of Service for Buyers, you represent that you are: 18 years old or older; capable of entering into a legally binding agreement; and a resident of the United States.
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  8. Need more payment options! by RemovableBait · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Before Google Checkout has much hope of usurping PayPal, they'll need to accept more payment options.

    Paypal currently allows payment direct from a bank account (I don't expect Google to need this), Visa, Mastercard, Amex, Delta, Maestro, Visa Electron, Solo, Discover, and more if you count their other services. That's at least 10 ways to pay.

    Google, on the other hand, accept Visa, Mastercard, Amex and Discover. With only 4 ways to pay, I suspect Google Checkout is not an option for many people.

    Disclaimer: I live in the UK and this is based on my experience with the UK PayPal service. I also agree with the sentiments of paypalsucks.com, and would like to see Google smash PayPal to pieces if they can Do No Evil. YMMV.

  9. Google Checkout !Paypal by d3bruts1d · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If by "Google launches PayPal Rival" you mean, "Google launches a service for merchants to process credit cards". Then yes, this is a PayPal rival. This service does not allow you to transfer money from person-to-person, nor does it allow you to pay by check, bank draft, etc.

  10. Re:Money transfers? by Poromenos1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Learn the difference between "Gpay is useless" and "Gpay is useless to me". I would pay for your English lessons, if I could use Gpay to transfer funds from Greece.

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  11. Re:monopoly at eBay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Name 412 of them.

  12. All you need to know by tomstdenis · · Score: 5, Informative


    10. Disputes

    GPC will provide various tools to assist Customers in communicating with each other to resolve a dispute that may arise between Buyers and Sellers with respect to their transaction. If Customers are unable to resolve a dispute, we can mediate disputes between buyers and sellers if either party requests assistance. If this occurs, we will review the dispute and propose a non-binding solution, if appropriate. For more detailed information, please see our Frequently Asked Questions.

    GPC may offer a feedback or other ranking system on the Service to assist you in evaluating other Customers of the Service. You acknowledge that any such feedback or ranking system represents solely the opinion of other Customers of the Service, and is not an opinion, representation, or warranty by GPC with respect to other Customers of the Service.

    You agree to release, GPC, Google, and other GPC affiliates, and their agents, contractors, officers and employees, from all claims, demands and damages (actual and consequential) arising out of or in any way connected with a dispute. You agree that you will not involve GPC in any litigation or other dispute arising out of or related to any transaction, agreement, or arrangement with any Seller, other Buyer, advertiser or other third party in connection with the Service. If you attempt to do so, (i) you shall pay all costs and attorneys' fees of GPC, Google, and other GPC affiliates and shall provide indemnification as set forth below, and (ii) the jurisdiction for any such litigation or dispute shall be limited as set forth below. However, nothing in this Terms of Service shall constitute a waiver of any rights, claims or defenses that you may have with respect to a Payment Transaction under the Buyer's card issuer agreement, the card association rules or applicable state and federal laws, such as the federal Truth in Lending Act or the Electronic Fund Transfer Act.

    If you are a California resident, you hereby expressly waive California Civil Code 1542, which states: "A general release does not extend to claims which the creditor does not know or suspect to exist in his favor at the time of executing the release, which if not known by him must have materially affected his settlement with the debtor."

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  13. Re:End of Paypal ? by grapeape · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Big difference between paypal vs google and the competing mail services. People have had a choice for years. No one complains about free email its reliable, its there, its ubiquitous. What irritates people with Paypal is the rather random enforcement of buyer and seller protection coupled with their stranglehold on ebay that pretty much makes any other method of payment impossible. After paying listing fees, final value fees, paypal fees, extra paypal fees if you want to be able to take credit cards, and dealing with buyers protection which is in my experience used in scam attempts as much as in real disputes, the ebay/paypal racket is hardly a bargain.

    After all that, I still use it on occasion because I have no choice, thats the difference.

  14. 1,9% and $0,30 ? by mochan_s · · Score: 5, Informative

    The 1,9% and $0,30 rate for Paypal is if you recieve more than $100,000 to your account and you have a merchant account!

    Normally, it's 2.9% + $0.30 USD. https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display -receiving-fees-outside

    1. Re:1,9% and $0,30 ? by Drew-NC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is 100% correct. I run a small web store and we use PayPal to process orders. We are paying 2.9% + $.30 per transaction. I would love to switch to google, but I see one issue. With PayPal people can place orders on my site, pay with a credit card, and not have a PayPal account. PayPal just processes the card. When google will let my customers pay without having a google account I will switch.

  15. Re:End of Paypal ? by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The difference between 1.9% + 30 cents (ebay) and 2.0% + 20 cents (google) might not strike you as significant, but google now works out to be cheaper for all sales under $100.00

    Don't think that the "ebay power sellers" aren't keenly aware of the difference. They know how ebay nickel-and-dimes them to death, and if they can save a few dollars a week AND stick it to ebay, they will.

    Example - item at $10.00

    eBay: 49 cents, google:40 cents. Difference: 9 cents.

    Do 100/week, and over the course of a year you're looking at $468.00 in savings ...

  16. Re:monopoly at eBay by SYRanger · · Score: 5, Funny

    I bet you don't accept African Express.

  17. Re:End of Paypal ? by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You, like some other posters, seem to think that PayPal's prices are fixed in stone forever.

    Don't put words in my mouth - I never said that. Here's the reality ...

    1. finally, paypal has some real competition
    2. a lot of people would pay more to switch from paypal
    3. this will shrink ebay's customer base no matter what, so they're going to be hit with both lower demand and lower prices
    4. for google, on the other hand, their market share can only grow - and they've got tie-ins to a lot more stuff than ebay

    Then there's the whole regulatory issue - ebay has had to make deals with regulators in almost 20 states ... google will just go out and BUY a bank. Then they'll issue their own credit cards, etc.