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Colorado Sheriffs To WarDrive For Safety

rwx writes "The Sheriff's Department in Douglas County, Colorado says it's going to start warning computer users that their networks may be vulnerable to hackers. It plans on equipping its patrol cars with devices that detect unprotected computer networks, and distributing brochures to computer users in vulnerable areas, instructing them on how to password protect their networks."

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  1. how long by Nafai7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    before governments try to make open wireless relays illegal? I set my wireless connection at home open on purpose...

    1. Re:how long by v1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I leave my WAP open. (of course I have set the administrator's password though) My wap's SSID is "call (my phone number)". So far I've only gotten one call but there are about 1/2 dozen regular users and the odd hit from a new MAC about once a week.

      The bandwidth they use is inconsequential. I suppose if a neighbor decided to go wild on bittorrent or something I might have to take action, but for now it's free lunch if you're in my neighborhood. That's the way I'd like it to be everywhere, so it makes sense for me to help it along in any way I can.

      The city next door has a public utility that does cable modems among other things. They have set up WAPs on street lights all over town, and if you have cable modem service you can use it to login to any WAP in the city. Coverage is pretty good, close to 100% downtown. It'd be nice if they would support it with tax dollars and open it up completely, but that's not terribly likely to happen. Maybe in a few years.

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    2. Re:how long by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a distinct feeling that when the FBI kicks in your door and takes your computer to see what kiddie porn sites you've been surfing, having random unknown people using your internet connection won't seem so cool anymore...

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    3. Re:how long by Phillup · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Careful what you ask for.

      The law of unintentional consequences dictates that in order to fulfil your wishes... you will have to upgrade to the latest version of Windows to run that configuration software.

      (and yes... there are better ways to do it, but this is an industry pawning over the droppings of an 800 pound gorilla)

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    4. Re:how long by 2short · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Better be careful, and don't be nice to strangers, or some completely improbable bad thing might occur! Be afraid! Be afraid!

      I can pick up 5-6 access points from my house. All are locked down except for one named "BeMyGuest"; I've used it a few times when my connection has been down, and when I figured out who's it was, I invited them to my barbecue. So I hereby counter your hypothetical, not very logical threat of an FBI raid, with the actual, already realized threat of: Free Beer.

    5. Re:how long by MooUK · · Score: 4, Funny

      NO! Not the free beer! Save us all!

  2. As long as that's all they're doing by Jabrwock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't see the harm. Now if they are doing anything like making notes on who's routers are open for future "fishing expeditions", I'd be concerned, but if all they're doing is saying "hey bud, your front door is unlocked, just ta let ya know..."

    Seeing as how most people have no idea that their wireless routers are so insecure by default...

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  3. Limit access? by JayDot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will this limit access on that great free wireless lan called "linksys"? I hope not; I didn't want to have to actually pay for Internet access after college.

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  4. What would happen... by OctoberSky · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What would happen if they came to my house? I have a open network (really an access point). We share no files between computers and if someone (neighbors, friends, guys in cars out front) wants to hop on my signal I couldn't care less.

    They can get online and I invite them too (network is titled "OPENNETWORK"). I wonder how the cops would respond if I told them that I purposely set it up to allow people to wardrive onto my internets?

    1. Re:What would happen... by RexRhino · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I think it is great that you are running an open network for the benifit of others... and I wish that our society wasn't so damn authoritarian that it was something we had to worry about.

      But yikes, could you imagine the problems you could have if someone was using your open network for downloading child porn, or even for trading copyrighted music or movies, or for some sort of "terrorist" activity. Even if you have nothing to do with it, when the authorities have trouble catching the people actually doing the cimes they are going to look for a scapegoat, and that will be you for "recklessly enabling" the crime!

      I am not saying you are doing anything morally or legaly wrong, I think what you are doing is a good thing. But I think what you are doing is a bit unwise. Just like it is morally right for Falong Gong to openly practice their religion in China, but it is a very bad idea for them to do so... I say it is a bad idea to run an open network! Sorry, but your instinct for self-preservation should be higher than your altruism.

  5. Check to see if my front door is locked by bigtrike · · Score: 4, Funny

    While they're at it, they may as well check to see that people's front doors are locked too. Criminals might break in and use their computer when they can't get a wireless signal.

  6. This is what real cops do by MikeRT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cops aren't supposed to armed and trained like the military. Their purpose is to keep the peace and peacefully prevent crime where they can. A large part of that is politely informing private citizens if they see something that could get them victimized. It's not common anymore because riding around with a loaded gun and the ability to bust down doors to raid drug users/dealers (if your stash is big, you must be a dealer). It's just not cool to do such old granny policing when the SWAT offers you the chance to play urban warfare with targets that typically don't fight back.

  7. Re:Waste of Time by jrockway · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is very important police work. If there are open APs, people might be able to communicate freely and anonymously. We don't want any of that now, do we?

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  8. Re:Yeah by script_daddy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Heh, the first response to a story is almost always a snarky putdown; I think it's become something of a tradition. God forbid the story is a dupe, then there's going to be snark overload.

    I swear to God, if a news-item such as this would appear on the frontpage ..

    Bill Gates has announced that he's realizing that Microsoft Windows is an inferior product and has decided to rebuild Windows Vista on a Linux kernel and release it under a FOSS license. Additionally, he is reported to have bitchslapped Steve Ballmer repeatedly claiming that "[sic] Man, I've been fucking longing to do that."

    .. it's a pretty safe bet that the first reply would be something like this:

    Yeah, so why didn't he hit him with a proper blunt weapon or shoot him in the face or something like that?
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  9. Chicken, meet Egg. by Elemenope · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cases of abuse aside (and they really do happen, perhaps not as often as is perceived, but often enough that nearly everyone has had at least one bad experience), the reason that cops get such a chilly reception is that they do "too much protecting" and "not enough serving". That is, usually people only are interacting with a cop if one, they are in trouble, or two, are recently a victim of trouble. If police departments put as much emphasis on the public service announcement schtick, people might react to them with less chill. But, as you point out, they can't perform that function well if people feel chilly towards them. Its a cycle that needs to be broken somewhere, and its easier to change department policy than to spontaneously change the public's attitudes.

    Of course, it might also help if police departments changed some of the policies that feed into the disquiet that most people have with their police, such as the 'blue wall', or de facto harrassment, or discouraging legitimate complaints, or not having a system for filing said complaints anonymously. That might help too.

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  10. Here come the kiddy porn cops to sniff your ports by gelfling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    C'mon at least make up a better bullshit story than "It's for your own good". You guys are parking on WiFi LANs so that you can claim you're looking for

    Kiddy Porn
    Child molesters
    Porn Molestors
    Sexual predators
    Kiddy porn predator molestors
    And terrorists.

    And you'll catch almost nobody except some innocent person as always.

  11. Re:This isn't their 'department'... by QCompson · · Score: 4, Funny
    And that would be a bad thing?

    Yes, how could police officers going onto your private property and testing your doors to see if they are locked possibly be a bad thing?

    I actually have a local policeman that comes into my house at night and makes sure I place my wallet in a secure location before I go to sleep. He also checks all the window-blinds to make sure no terrorists or pedophiles can see into our windows. Recently, I put in a request for a uniformed officer to monitor my children while they draw pictures; I wouldn't want them to poke themselves in the eye with a crayon.

    Given the state of affairs today, I'd prefer everyone be required to pass a proficiency test and receive a license to use a computer.

    Agreed. Computers are very, very dangerous if they fall into the wrong hands. If there was some way we could pour money into a complicated beuraucratic licensing system, I'd be all for it.

  12. don't they have something better to do? by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 4, Informative
    According to their OWN statistics, crime in Douglas county is on the increase, some of it quite serious, and these mutton heads want to go around wasting resources looking for open networks.

    You can find the statistics here

    The numbers were up in all but a handful of categories.

    Murder & Non-Negligent Manslaughter - 3
    Negligent Manslaughter / Vehicle - 1
    Sexual Assault by Force - 73
    Sexual Assault on a Child - 104
    Incest - 15
    Robbery - 16
    Kidnapping - 72
    Assault with Weapon - 80
    Assault without Weapon - 551
    Burglary to Residence - 446
    Burglary to Non-Residence - 186
    Theft over $500 - 1021
    Theft under $500 and over $100 - 758
    Theft under $100 - 764
    Embezzlement - 1
    Possession of Stolen Property - 106
    Motor Vehicle Theft - 245
    Arson - 41
    Criminal Mischief - 1240
    Drug Violations- 569
    Bribery, Extortion - 22
    Gambling - 1
    Fraud - 899
    Pornography, Prostitution - 9
    Weapons Violations - 35

    The douglas county cops need to ge their priorities straight.

    RS

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