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On Software Patent Lawsuits Against OSS

Bruce Perens writes "We've warned you for a decade. Now the monster has finally arrived: patent holders are filing suit against OSS developers." From the article: "We should not be confident that we will continue to have the right to use and develop Open Source software. A coordinated patent attack by a few companies, or even one large company, could completely destroy Open Source in the United States and cripple it in other nations. Funds and patent portfolios that have been established to help defend Open Source would not be sufficient to defend it. Only legislative changes to the patent system can fully protect Open Source and maintain it as a viable source of innovation for our future."

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  1. Re:That's ridiculous by Total_Wimp · · Score: 4, Informative

    The only thing that can destroy Open Source is if people stop writing Open Source Software.

    Which they will if they get sued into oblivion.

    TW

  2. Patent Reform by Reverend528 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It costs too much money to buy patent reform from congress. The only true path to Patent Reform involves reforming the USPTO into a pile of rubble.

    1. Re:Patent Reform by Reverend528 · · Score: 4, Informative
      How the heck did that get modded informative?

      It's a theory of mine that linking to a reputable site, such as Wikipedia will get any post modded informative, even if the link is completely irrelevant.

    2. Re:Patent Reform by Dun+Malg · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's a theory of mine that linking to a reputable site, such as Wikipedia will get any post modded informative, even if the link is completely irrelevant.

      You may be right.
      Chicken (gallus gallus domesticus).

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  3. Re:That's ridiculous by Halo1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    AFAIK you can't get sued for patent abuse if you only release the source code - at least, this seems to be the consensus with a lot of MP3 libraries

    You most certainly can be sued for patent infringement by simply releasing source code, but probably only for contributory infringement (although in case of program claims, the source code may event directly infringe on the patent).

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  4. Re:They have every right to their works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you invent something, you have every right to it. If the OSS developers want to develop software, they should be innovative rather than stealing someone elses ideas.

    What part of "there's prior art" do you not understand?

  5. Re:Not in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    That won't really help, since developers and users of supposedly infringing software in the US could still be sued. Also attempts to get software patents ratified (by the back door, against the wishes of the electorate) in Europe are well documented and ongoing.

  6. Re:Anonymous development model by tgd · · Score: 2, Informative

    If they can't get the developers, they can get the users.

    Patent violation isn't a creation issue, its a use issue as well.

    The best solution is for individual developers to get a patent on something stupid and use it as a form of nuclear detente. If they can't do it, grant the copyright to an organization like EFF that can handle patent cross licensing. Until the whole concept is thrown out, writing software and not being armed with something you can threaten back with is like walking into a minefield.

    And the need for software developers to have a patent portfolio for defense just makes the situation worse.

  7. Re:That's ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    What corporation wants to take the brunt of the backlash when they successfully sue an OSS provider ?

    The IP sharks who will do most of the suing don't care about their public image. They are just there to make money.

    ..only to have some major Net functiionality suddenly become unavailable?

    Again, they won't give a @#*&, as long as they make a few $million out of it.

  8. Re:Protect Innovation by peragrin · · Score: 3, Informative

    againist MSFT? hundreds. Eolas comes to mind. of course most simply settle for a couple hundred million.

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  9. Letter to your Senator by Logger · · Score: 3, Informative
    Here's a sample letter I sent to my Senator. Modify the pro-blah blah part to fit whatever ideology your senator perports to. A good lobbying tip is to get your congressman to think eliminating software patents is in the best interest of their public agenda, regardless of whatever that may be. Tie your agenda into their's, or you won't easily get their attention. You can do thay by putting some of their mantra in the first sentance, and tieing it into your issue.

    Notice I put the additional information link at the bottom. Probably no one will look at it, that's why it's at the bottom. The Amicus Brief I inlined. Since it is being heard by the supreme court, it's a Washington issue and more likely to actually be of interest to those inside the beltway.

    Dear Senator/Representitive blah blah,
    I'm pro-small business, pro-innovation, and pro-low taxes. Software patents are bad for all those stances.

    Large companies which previously were all for broader and broader patents are beginning to realize the error of their earlier ways. As is seen in this case currently before the supreme court.

    http://patentlaw.typepad.com/KSR%20MicrosoftCisco_ Amicus.pdf

    Lawsuits which are now starting against OpenSource software developers and users will be a terrible drag on innovation and consequently our economy. Half the internet (or more) is power by such software, and that includes government networks. A high cost will be bore by the tax payer if OpenSource software is made illegal by software patents, and the government has to replace thousands of networks running on free software with commercial solutions. Not to mention the transitions costs.

    I am not an OpenSource software developer, but by my business relies on software from companies such as RedHat, IBM, and MySQL which do. If they cannot deliver their OpenSource software, my business will not survive.

    Software patents are stifling innovation and consequently our economy. Please take action to roll back or completely eliminate software patents.

    Further information about software patents can be found here:
    http://technocrat.net/d/2006/6/30/5032
  10. Re:People NEVER learn when it comes to corporation by CompSci101 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, sir, you're an anarchist.

    Communism is about setting up a large entity (Government or otherwise) to control production and resources as common property of all citizens.

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  11. Interesting insights on legal landscape in Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just days before the European Commission's next hearing on patent policy that is still being hatched despite the last directive's overwhelming defeat in Parliament, several recent publications discuss developments of the law on Tux' home continent, and successful steps to avert software patents: The huge new book on "The War over Software Patents in the European Union" by the founder of NoSoftwarePatents has just been released for download. If you prefer a few hundred pages less, see the latest issue of the International Journal of Law and Information Technology for a scholarly article.

  12. Re:Protect Innovation by jgs · · Score: 2, Informative

    The big suits settled a bit more than 10 years ago, but Robert Kearns, inventor of the intermittent windshield wiper, fits the description.

  13. Re:Revolt by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 4, Informative

    >The closest we have come to having no voting rights was the last predential ellection, where the liberal parts of Ohio had far too few voting booths

    Closer than that: http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=385 . Pick a largely African-American district near a military base. Do a mass mailing there. Mark the envelopes "Do not forward". Collect the bounces from the addresses of African-Americans who are in Iraq. Build a spreadsheet of them. You now have the ability to walk into the election offices and say that everyone on the list doesn't really live at their registered address. If the would-be Democratic voter walks into a polling station, they can still fill out a provisional ballot. If still overseas, their absentee ballot will be treated as invalid and simply not counted.

    You also have no voting rights if someone opaquely controls the counting of the votes.

  14. Re:This isn't like Perens by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2, Informative
    Bruce Perens sells some sort of patent insurance, so he has a profit motive to FUD this issue.

    I have never sold patent insurance, nor am I associated with the company that attempted to create a patent insurance business any longer. It might have helped protect us if that business had actually been able to sell patent insurance, but that has not worked so far.

    Bruce

  15. Re:IBM? by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2, Informative
    IBM didn't pledge their patents for defensive use, anyway. They just said we could use 500 patents, not all of value to us (one is for setscrews) out of their hundreds of thousands and that they would not sue us for that. There is another entity called Open Innovation Network started by Novell that actually has patents pledged for defensive use.

    Bruce

  16. just who is financing FireST~1 by rs232 · · Score: 2, Informative

    FireStar Software, Inc. .. today announced a go-to-market agreement with Microsoft,

    Mark Eisner, CTO, FireStar .. has been a consultant to .. Microsoft ..

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  17. Patent Commons patents are not pledged for defense by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Informative
    The patents in the patent commons are not pledged for defensive use. They are only patents that we are allowed to use without being sued.

    Indeed, some of the patents in the patent commons can be withdrawn at any time. It seems to be a half-hearted effort. Why? Look at the companies on OSDL's board. They are the ones that most profit from software patenting.

    If you want to understand the truth about the patent commons, start at LWN's coverage of their disclosures.

    There is another project called Open Innovation Network, started by Novell, that is supposed to contain patents that really are dedicated for defensive use.

    Bruce

  18. Re:Thank you, Bruce Perens! by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2, Informative
    Dear AC,

    I checked just now, and have made $5.36 so far. That is about what the site normally makes on is other articles, this particular article is not getting ad hits. The site has operating expenses of $500/month for the paid editor and the dedicated server, and if it breaks even this month that will be the first time in 10 years.

    Unfortunately, I can't control slashdot's editing, only that on Technocrat.net

    Bruce

  19. Interesting insights on legal landscape in Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    scholarly article
    Brilliant but pricey. Oh the magic that Google can do...
  20. Patent suit against Red Hat and Jboss Hibernate... by donigan · · Score: 3, Informative

    In 1997 the following paper was presented at the 6th International Python Conference: "Persistent Storage of Python Objects in Relational Databases" by Joel Shprentz (http://www.python.org/workshops/1997-10/proceedin gs/shprentz.html) This paper describes exactly what the Firestar patent claims to invent. Appears that the patent office is: A) Lazy, B) un-informed, C) unable to keep up with the imense amount of discovery that is going on, and/or D) an out of touch wreck that is going to destroy inovation in the civilized world. I am a small software developer that was recently forced to abandon a very promising project that I spent 2 years on. This, brought about by a patent troll in NY city. I could not afford the $Millions they wanted or the cost of defending myself against an absurd patent that they bought from the ashes of a bankrupt company. My attorney sugested that I just let it go and not bring my product to market. Oh yes! The patent office is promoting inovation left and right.......in the field of creative litigation. Perhaps, instead of changing the patent office, we should elect people to office that can change the court system in this country to force the people who file un-warrented law suits to pay the legal costs of the defendants, should the suit be shown to be without merit.