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Five Men Arrested in LexisNexis Data Theft

An anonymous reader writes "Five men aged 19-24 were arrested last week in connection with the reported theft last year of some 310,000 personal records from database giant LexisNexis. The Washington Post reports that some of the individuals were also involved in the theft and online posting of revealing photos from socialite Paris Hilton's cell phone. All are being charged with 'aggravated identity theft,' which carries a mandatory 2-year jail sentence for those found guilty."

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  1. Wait ... by Sonic+McTails · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only a two year jail sentence? That seems extremely light, considering that once you have your identity stolen, it can easily take over two years to put everything back in order, especially if the guy who did it isn't caught. That's more like a slap on the wrist then a real punishment, and I don't see it as a deterrent in commiting in this crime.
     
    Think about it, very few people who commit identify theft ever get caught, and in addition, you can make a lot of money or get a lot of free stuff while it lasts, and if you get busted, you're out in two years and you can do it all over again.

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    1. Re:Wait ... by EndlessNameless · · Score: 4, Informative

      Punitive fines can exceed the amount of profit gained by criminal actions, and this is in addition to seizure of assets acquired illegally. Furthermore, it is possible for victims to file civil suits, although I wouldn't want to guess at what their outcomes might be.

      It is quite possible to ensure that crime does pay with current laws if that is your only concern. I suspect that the two year minimum is applied to less severe offences.

      Also note, from the article: aggravated identity theft "is defined as the use of a stolen identity to commit other crimes". Therefore, they're already being accused of other crimes in addition to this offence (and, if the description is accurate, cannot be guilty of this offence if they are not found guilty of another offence as well). The sentence for this crime will in addition to any other sentences they receive.

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    2. Re:Wait ... by enrevanche · · Score: 2, Funny

      it should be 310000/5 * (1-2 years) = 31000-62000 years each

    3. Re:Wait ... by Darkhorserus · · Score: 1

      So when are the commercial privacy exploiters going to be held accountable?

    4. Re:Wait ... by waferhead · · Score: 1

      Sounds fair to me.

      I have no problem with 2 years per record.

      In 660,000 years, they'll be out of jail and back in society.

      Oh, wait...

    5. Re:Wait ... by apflwr3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Only a two year jail sentence? That seems extremely light, considering that once you have your identity stolen, it can easily take over two years to put everything back in order

      Well, first, a victim of ID theft doesn't spend two years of straight time fixing the problem. There's a difference between two years of dealing with bureacracy for a few hours a week and two years of your life spent in a prison cell. I'm not making light of ID theft, I was a victim of it myself and it was certainly a bitch to deal with... But hell, I'd take eight years of doing what you have to do to get everything back in order over eight months of prison time. Prison really, really sucks.

      So two years doesn't sound that harsh to me. These guys are not violent criminals. They aren't gang members and will not be at the top of the prison food chain. Those two years will not exactly fly by, and being 19-24 they will lose some of what should have been the best years of their lives. When they get out they will be felons and will lose many rights (including foreign travel), and will have to check in with parole officers, and will find it much harder to find work and a decent place to live. They may even be prevented from using a computer for a period of time. I think losing two years of your life would deter most from d

    6. Re:Wait ... by LegendLength · · Score: 1

      So when are the commercial privacy exploiters going to be held accountable?

      When you hire a lawyer and sue them. You do have evidence that will hold up in court don't you?

    7. Re:Wait ... by freakmn · · Score: 1

      As funny as your comment is, I believe that your math may be a little off. (310000/5)*[1,2] is [62000,124000]. I believe you did 310000/(5*[1,2]). Either way, it's funny, and I hope that my nitpick does not detract from that.

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    8. Re:Wait ... by Robocoastie · · Score: 1

      what's scary isn't that these hackers broke into lexis-nexis but that lexis-nexis has that much information about us to obtain!

  2. call for investigation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sad to say, which brought about the investigation. 31000 peoples personal data or Paris Hilton's contact list. Unfortunately, it was probably the latter.

    1. Re:call for investigation by LegendLength · · Score: 1

      I know, don't you hate it when rich people help put villans behind bars.

    2. Re:call for investigation by kevinadi · · Score: 1

      I don't know. I thought villains should be behind bars whether rich people are involved or not. It is especially good if rich villains are also behind bars, of course. So to sum it up, if you're poor, you're screwed, villain or not.

  3. Meh. by FatSean · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think LexisNexis is more amoral and unethical than the hackers.

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    1. Re:Meh. by bcat24 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Two wrongs don't make a right. (Now, two Wrights can make an airplane, but that's another story.)

    2. Re:Meh. by 77Punker · · Score: 1

      Amoral means that morals have no place in its existence. Animals are amoral.
      Immoral means that they break decent moral standards. Bad people are immoral.

  4. Of course... by WindozeSux · · Score: 1

    How do we know that they stole the photos? It could have been someone else that just gave it to them and they put it online. It seems to be that the police are eager to arrest these guys.

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    1. Re:Of course... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      How do we know that they stole the photos?

      We don't. I suspect the police and the prosecutors have a wee bit more info ther we do, though.

  5. Identity theft or Digital Shoplifting? by smokeslikeapoet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hardly believe they would have been arrested if they purchased the info from LexisNexis. This wasn't identity theft, it was digital shoplifting.

    1. Re:Identity theft or Digital Shoplifting? by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Interesting
      This wasn't identity theft, it was digital shoplifting.
      The identity they stole belonged to the Police.

      They used Police 'credentials' to access Accurint, which is a subsidary of Lexis-Nexis.

      The aggrivating factor, was that he used that account to create other accounts "which he then allegedly shared with the other co-defendants."

      It doesn't matter what they used the information for. They are pwn3d.
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    2. Re:Identity theft or Digital Shoplifting? by wish+bot · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It's not theft - it's COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT. Isn't that what we keep saying regarding copying of electronic data?

      (only half joking).

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    3. Re:Identity theft or Digital Shoplifting? by Joebert · · Score: 1
      The aggrivating factor, was that he used that account to create other accounts "which he then allegedly shared with the other co-defendants."

      Here I thought Hilton was aggrivated that she didn't get paid for that set.
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    4. Re:Identity theft or Digital Shoplifting? by hey! · · Score: 1

      It's not theft - it's COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT. Isn't that what we keep saying regarding copying of electronic data?

      You're right that you can't, technically speaking 'steal' information. But copyright doesn't apply in this case because you can't copyright information. Only expression with originality.

      Therefore they can't be busted for copyright infringmenet, only something closer to trespass: unauthorized access to the system.

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    5. Re:Identity theft or Digital Shoplifting? by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1
      Therefore they can't be busted for copyright infringmenet, only something closer to trespass: unauthorized access to the system.

      Lucky them, actually. If they had been committing copyright infringment instead, the RIAA would probably have tried to get the death penalty.

  6. His name is trademarked? by Psychotria · · Score: 5, Funny

    But according to interviews washingtonpost.com had with at least three of the accused, the group accessed information on Hilton, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R)

    Why has he trademarked his name?

    1. Re:His name is trademarked? by ELProphet · · Score: 1

      California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R)

      That was a typo. It should read: California Gov. Arnold (The Governator (R)) Schwarzenegger.

    2. Re:His name is trademarked? by freakmn · · Score: 1

      I believe that it was due to a preemptive strike against his data being stolen. Identity theft is a minor crime in comparison to the horrible people who violate the DMCA.

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    3. Re:His name is trademarked? by Millenniumman · · Score: 1

      O -Joke

      *whoosh*

      O -You
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      Is that clear? And, since /. says my post has too few words per line, I'll type more here.

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  7. Sue? by NexFlamma · · Score: 1

    I imagine (and actually support the idea) that not only will they get prison time for their actions, but that Ms Hilton will be suing these gentleman into the Stone Age.

    I'm sure she has a rather high powered cadre of lawyers, and if she doesn't, I'm sure her father has a few who would be more than willing to take vengeance on these guys for sullying her good... er... decent... er... human name.

    1. Re:Sue? by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

      Decent? You didn't see the pictures from her Hiptop did you? Pretty indecent, if you ask me.

  8. let's be opportunistic by scrambledhelix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope to god someone cites these guys to congress as a reason *against* data retention legislation. It's not big brother we should be worried about, it's his jackass cousins...

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  9. What happened to the good old days... by Mewtwo · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...when hacking into a computer system automatically got you a job working for the company you hacked into?

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    1. Re:What happened to the good old days... by qbwiz · · Score: 3, Funny

      It was never really automatic. You always had to hack into the payroll system to do that - I guess these guys forgot that step.

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    2. Re:What happened to the good old days... by csplinter · · Score: 1

      haha mod parent up

  10. Re:I left in the *moral for the religionists. by LordKazan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Since morals seem to be universally attributed to religious codes...perhaps it was disingenous of me to do so.

    not in my book

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  11. O/T by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

    Does (R) "restricted rights" have any use outside it's ability to limit U.S. Government usage of software?

    A quick google search seems to suggest that is all (R) is good for.

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    1. Re:O/T by alfrin · · Score: 1

      Um, no, it means he's a Republican. He's a politician. They do that for politicians

  12. But LexisNexis holding these data is Ok? by mi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is not about privacy, but about information, which, in the prevailing Slashdot opinion, "wants to be free".

    So I'm surprised, no one is outraged at LexisNexis collecting (and selling) these data in the first place.

    The thieves are thieves, of course, and LexisNexis is not doing anything illegal, but sympathy for them is something, I just can't master...

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    1. Re:But LexisNexis holding these data is Ok? by toppk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not only that, but they have the audacity to call it personal records!

      Federal authorities last week arrested five men in connection with a 2005 database breach at LexisNexis Group that the database giant said led to the theft of personal records on more than 310,000 individuals.

    2. Re:But LexisNexis holding these data is Ok? by LegendLength · · Score: 1

      The thieves are thieves, of course, and LexisNexis is not doing anything illegal, but sympathy for them is something, I just can't master.

      I understand the sentiment. I've never had to deal with ID theft personally but it's not hard to imagine the pain in the ass it would be.

      But I think it's easy to say for example, that two years jail is too leniant (as has been said a few times here). You need to temper your opinion by comparing the jailtime to some other violent crimes. Two years in jail would be hell for anyone when faced with the prospect for real.

  13. Cake Walk by Joebert · · Score: 1
    All are being charged with 'aggravated identity theft,' which carries a mandatory 2-year jail sentence for those found guilty

    Shouldn't be too bad.
    Once everyone knows they're the ones responsible for the stuff they've been wankin off to, nobody will mess with them.
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  14. High Crimes and Misdemeanors by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Seisint, the Florida Lexis/Nexis subsidiary that these jerks stole access to, was started by Hank Asher, the Iran/Contra cocaine smuggler. Just remember that those criminals have access to all that personal data, even if they do pay for it legally.

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    1. Re:High Crimes and Misdemeanors by concinnate · · Score: 2, Funny

      The funny part is, Lexis-Nexis bought Seisint to get their hands on Hank Asher's whizbang technology. Seems they had an IT department in Dayton full of old fuddy-duddies who insisted on running lexis-nexis on those creepy old IBM mainframes. You know, the ones that had never been hacked.

    2. Re:High Crimes and Misdemeanors by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's amazing how the scum always seems to rise back to the top. Sociopaths run the world.

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    3. Re:High Crimes and Misdemeanors by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Dick Cheney never went away. And Admiral John "Iran/Contra" Poindexter was pardoned by Bush Sr. When Bush Jr got the White House, the Iran/Contra "secret government" just got all their old parking spots back.

      Of course, the scum floats atop the mud that elected it. 50M Americans who voted for them can't be written off as "a few bad apples". It's a bad orchard, poison fruits. To put it another way, the Bush administration is a turd blossom.

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  15. LexisNexis --better pay your rent! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For the younger crowd...

    If you live in an apartment complex managed by a corporation and you live in a county with fast-track eviction, like Orange and Los Angeles and many others..you probably already know you have to pay by the 4th or you get a 3-day notice to pay or quit and a $50-$100 fine. On the 10th, their accounting person pushes a button and all of the accounts that haven't paid --in certified funds-- get FAXed to an attorney chop-shop that immediately adds a $300 fee and a couple days later files an Unlawful Detainer action against you. That filing immediately goes on your LexisNexis report --forever and ever. It never comes off. Not in 10 years, not in 50 years. Even when your bank finally clears your deposit and you come walking into your landlord's office on the 11th and say "here's your rent, $100 fine and $300 attorney's fee", the landlord picks up the phone, taps an auto-dial button and declares "this is Bee at the Pink Taco Apartments, we have a pay-n-stay on unit #3920...yeah, that's right, ok thanks." --your life is still ruined. No, LexisNexis is not used to grant credit. No the attempted eviction will never hit your credit report. But the first and subsequent time someone is thinking about filing a lawsuit or counter-suit against you, for example during a car accident, or during a dispute about a real estate commission when you go to buy a house, or some technical work you've delivered working as a contractor, or maybe a prior employer investigating a theft that occured around the time you left --they all get your LexisNexis report, which is linked together by your current and previous addresses. They see a couple of Unlawful Detainer lawsuits and they don't even bother checking to see they were withdrawn a few days after being filed --they just think, you're a broke-ass trailer-trash bustout and if their lawsuit is more strategically motivated than financially motivated (for example, suing you before you sue them), they open up on your but where they otherwise might not. The public record is what it is, but there is no g'damned reason for LexisNexis to show dismissed Unlawful Detainer lawsuits on people's reports for 10, 15 even 40 (entire commercially productive lifetime) years.

    1. Re:LexisNexis --better pay your rent! by alshithead · · Score: 2

      So pay your rent on time. Sounds kinda like flamebait but I don't mean it that way. You have done a great service in supplying this information...I didn't know. It's absolutely a big scam all the way the around. The jurisdiction gets their fine, the lawyers get paid, the landlord gets paid (plus late fees), and the renter gets to eat ketchup soup again. Plus, the information is available via Lexis/Nexis. Don't for minute think that information isn't likely to be seen. Every lawyer in the country has Lexis/Nexis access if they can afford it. Doing a background check on a tenant prospect? Call your lawyer and have him check Lexis, won't cost you much. "Oh, I see you have previous problems paying your rent/car/whatever...we'll need double the deposit or charge you a hundred dollars a month more." Got a civil suit against you? Don't think for a second that Lexis won't be checked. I think in this day and age you need to try and stay out of these databases. Pay your rent on time, don't get your car repossessed, pay your other bills on time, try your damndest to stay out of these databases. The databases are legal, the data is maintained legally, and the people who are paying to access it have a legal right to do so. I think it sucks but it's not going to change in the future exept to get worse.

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    2. Re:LexisNexis --better pay your rent! by Cernst77 · · Score: 1

      What if its already too late - you've lost your ass because you didnt see the dot-com shakeout ahead of time and the recession. you're racking up school loans so you can get back into the tech industry that declared you unwanted and unemployable since 2001, and there are already people trying to sue you for money you borrowed when times were good?

  16. cracking LexisNexis? by zephc · · Score: 1

    Nerdiest. Crime. Ever.

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    1. Re:cracking LexisNexis? by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1
      Nerdiest. Crime. Ever.

      Maybe. Definitely sounds like something Spamtec would rap about. Any rappers who can work LexisNexis, Linux, HPAV, spamming, ROKSO and even SCO into their rhymes can't be all bad. This story made me think of them immediately, and I kind of hoped they weren't getting busted.

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  17. What we need is the good old days by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

    When Presidents got oral sex and lied about it, and mishandled the Middle East so brilliantly we all had to wait in line for gas. Oh man, I wish it was the 70s all over again.

    1. Re:What we need is the good old days by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Nixon didn't get oral sex, though he did bungle the Mideast and our own oil companies into an "oil crisis" and global oil tyranny.

      Carter didn't do much wrong in the Mideast other than shelter the Shah, covering for the CIA which promptly scored him Oliver North's scuttled desert helicopter rescue boondoggle, setting the stage for the 1980s Iran/Contra. Carter did negotiate the first Egypt/Israel peace in millennia. The 1970s were pretty good, as long as you weren't wearing polyester leisure suits like a Republican.

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    2. Re:What we need is the good old days by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      or you needed gas to get to work, so you could feed your family.

  18. Move along now... by chillicockoff · · Score: 1

    ...yes sir