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Plasma Needle to Replace Dentist's Drill

dylanduck writes "From the New Scientist Tech article: "Sticking a needle with a flaming plasma tip into your mouth may not at first strike you as much of an improvement on conventional dentistry. However, the plasma needle, which is cold and painless to the touch, could be just the panacea we have been waiting for.""

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  1. Article is more than dentistry... by sisukapalli1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It seems that the other promising uses such as killing cancerous cells, triggering programmed cell death, etc., are described as "surgery without the needle".

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    1. Re:Article is more than dentistry... by klenwell · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A friend of mine in dentistry tells me that general medical technology that can't find a market sometimes gets rebranded as dental solutions. Lasers were the example he studied.

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  2. Maybe a little better..... by Mayhem178 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To me, it seems like the pain involved with getting cavities filled is due to the high frequency vibrations caused by the drill, not the actual drilling itself. While I have my reservations about having a plasma tip stuck into my mouth, I guess I'd be willing to give it a go.

    Of course, I don't plan on having any more cavities, so...

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    1. Re:Maybe a little better..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To me, it seems like the pain involved with getting cavities filled is due to the high frequency vibrations caused by the drill, not the actual drilling itself.

      Drilling doesn't hit any nerves. As I understand it, the heat caused by drilling is what triggers pain receptors in the pulp. If you want to say that this heat is due to "vibrations" rather than "the actual drilling" (whatever that means), then fine. Either way, if this "plasma needle" doesn't heat up the tooth, it should be painless, which is the point of the article.

    2. Re:Maybe a little better..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Of course, I don't plan on having any more cavities, so..."

      I do. I plan on having like 80 cavities before they just rip out my teeth and put in dentures.

      "Go easy on the soda", fark you Mr. Dentist man. You go easy on controlling my life.

    3. Re:Maybe a little better..... by wolfponddelta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There used to be a group of dentistry (and probably still is) that believed in not using painkillers when filling cavities, especially with children, so they'd learn to brush better and not get any cavities. That, or the dental schools pre-screened for sadists.

  3. Incomplete Summary by Penguinoflight · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This "plasma needle" apparently will be good at killing bacteria and surgical cuts. It does use Nitric Oxide to function however, which is poisonous to inhale.

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    1. Re:Incomplete Summary by falcon5768 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They dont seem too worried about that, so either its a microscopic amount, or it completely burns it all at the tip.

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    2. Re:Incomplete Summary by Mayhem178 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think the real problem would be with nitrogen dioxide (NO2, as opposed to nitrous oxide, N20, which would actually be preferable!). Nitric oxide is very volatile; it'll react with oxygen in the air almost immediately.

      2NO + O2 = 2NO2

      It's been a while since chemistry, but I think that's right.

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    3. Re:Incomplete Summary by lagfest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Nothing is poison and everything is poison; the difference is in the dose." - Paracelsus

  4. Jesus Christ... by vishbar · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was scared to go to the dentist BEFORE they had lightsabers...

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  5. Hasta la Vista by David+Off · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lets hope the power control software isn't buggy and doesn't run on Windows (okay okay I'm karma whoring now!). I would hate to have my head blown off by a dentist sporting a phased plasma drill in the 40 watt range. Sounds far fetched but Canada's Therac-25 radiation therapy machine zapped some cancer sufferers killing three. I seem to recall there was a similar failure with a laser surgery machine in France which blinded some people but I couldn't find a reference, the French probably covered it up.

  6. Re:Isn't "Panacea" derogatory? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Informative

    It means "miracle cure" which, in the modern age of sarcasm, is probably used more often as an insult.

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  7. Fear... by tygerstripes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, the thing most people fear about the dentist is needles-in-the-mouth. They're an uncomfortable and sometimes shockingly painful experience (depending on the dentist and the location of the injection), and it's the act of deliberately subjecting yourself to pain that gets a lot of people worked up. All the other fears tend to be associative.
    Root-canal and other invasive surgery notwithstanding (and I'm going through a lot of that right now, thank you very much), if this technology can allow minor surgery - fillings, mainly - to be undertaken without needles, I daresay it'll be a brilliant breakthrough. If the patient feels confident they are not going to feel pain, they won't be (as) afraid.

    That being said, my latest dentist is a sodding genius, who managed to perform a re-root-treatment without anaesthetic, and without pain, within an hour.

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  8. Most important question: by RyoShin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Will it still have that "WHIIIIIRRRRR" sound?

    That is most likely the number one most feared sound in America. Not a police siren. Not a gun shot. Not a cry of pain. The dentist's drill.

    As a kid, there was nothing like that sound to make me remember to brush my teeth (well, for a few days, at least.)

    Even as an adult, the sound makes me cringe whenever I go to the dentist (which, granted, hasn't been for a few years :).

  9. Re:Isn't "Panacea" derogatory? by MindStalker · · Score: 4, Funny

    Except I read it as Pancreas the first few times over.

  10. The cure is not putting off dental care by nighty5 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Two close in-laws have had major dental problems, and have avoided it for years, decades even.

    One of them got to a point where she couldnt eat properly, and was FORCED to goto the dentist.

    I don't know what was worse, the pain she experienced from remediation work required, or the dental bill - (around AUS $18,000).

    Major reconstructive surgery could of been avoided if she went when her problems first arose.

    So heres a lesson kids - when you need to go, GO!

  11. I don't care what they claim. by blcamp · · Score: 3, Funny


    It's the DENTIST.

    It's a NEEDLE.

    It's not normal to have needles stuck into your MOUTH.

    Therefore... it's still going to friggin' HURT.

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  12. key factor by bitt3n · · Score: 4, Funny

    sure the plasma needle sounds better than the drill *in principle*, but the article fails to mention key factors, namely: what's the reload time and how much ammo can you carry?

  13. More Info, With Pics by MrCopilot · · Score: 3, Informative
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  14. No drills = About damn time... by Khyber · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My last trip to the dentist involved driling and excising my 3rd right molar from my upper set of teeth. Needles don't bother me (hell I count how many times they have to poke and inject me just to gauge how much of a tolerance I've built up to such anesthetics,) nor does having to suck gas or hearing the whine of the drill. What does bother me, is that my teeth, even when decaying, are rather strong. The drill bit broke in my mouth without the dentist realizing it. She went right on ahead with a broken drill in my mouth to remove my tooth. A week later, while in Texas on vacation, I take a drag off of a cigarette, and something moves around in the cavity where the tooth once existed. A little fishing around with my tongue in the hole, and out comes the broken drillbit. Do you knwo what those things look like under a microscope? Imagine an allen wrench - now grab both ends and twist until it spirals. Sharpen the edges, THEN SERRATE them. That is what these drill bits look like.

    Sorry for the story - but it's about damned time we had drill-less drilling/dentistry. And without heat, we're fairly well-set on the way to needing less anesthetics in this field of medical science. GO PLASMA!!!

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  15. I'm a dentist...so I thought I could help. by kwshank · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm a dentist, so I thought I might be able to help out with a couple areas of the discussion. First of all, there's a slight problem with the article. The plasma needle they talk about won't work on a tooth...it's just not possible. The outer layer of your teeth (the enamel) doesn't have any live cells in it (the formative cells die off just before the teeth erupt)...'inducing cell death' doesn't work if there are no live cells present. (The cells that are alive in the tooth are on the outer edge of the pulp, the third layer down, so you have to get through the hard mineralized outer surface first) So this won't replace the drill, but could theoretically replace current electrocautery methods for doing biopsies. With regards to what's causing the pain when you're getting a tooth filled - If you're experiencing pain when you're getting a filling put in, then your dentist hasn't numbed you up properly. Once you get through that outer layer of enamel, you reach the dentin. The dentin has little tubes running through it that go down to the pulp. When the ends of those tubes are opened up and exposed, the fluid in those tubes shifts and triggers nerve endings in the pulp which your brain interprets as pain (slightly simplified explanation). If you've been anesthetised properly, you shouldn't feel any pain. Anything else I can help with? Let me know. If I've talked above or below your head, my apologies...trying to make sure it's 'understandable' to all.

    1. Re:I'm a dentist...so I thought I could help. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      I am a PhD student in the Eindhoven group that developed the needle, although my research is on novel ultra-compact plasma accelerators. The needle definately has an impact on living cells-sometimes it causes detachment, sometimes it causes apoptosis, and sometimes it promotes growth. They don't really know what is causing this. It's probably not UV radiation. The best bet is probably not NO2, but singlet oxygen, a rather stable, excited oxygen state.


      At the moment, the plasma side of the story is fairly well understood-it's essentially a glow discharge, not too much unlike that in a plasma TV, in which both the helium that is used as a shutter gas and the air that diffuses in play a role.


      The dental use, incidentally, is for cleaning cavities, not drilling them. The plasma can kill the bacteria that live in the cavity, at least, in theory.