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Workplace Romance A No-No at Gates Foundation

theodp writes "The past week has brought NY Times coverage of the workplace romance of Gates Foundation co-chairs Bill and Melinda Gates, as well as Newsweek coverage of the workplace romance of Gates Foundation CEO Patty Stonesifer and her subordinate, Slate Editor-in-Chief Michael Kinsley. So the Foundation's Conflict of Interest Policy comes off as just a tad hypocritical: 'Additionally, certain types of relationships between co-workers may create impermissible conflicts of interest. For example, a romantic relationship in the workplace may raise perceptions of bias and favoritism.'"

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  1. Re:I heard it through the grapevine... by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, one night he borrowed his friend's lotus, and couldn't get the thing to shift right, and he got lost... wait, that's not it.

    All those policies of 'no workplace romance' are b.s., the foundation of American small business is the mom-and-pop shop, not the mom-or-pop shop.

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  2. Definitely a Slow News Day by Apple+Acolyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I was furiously searching for something insightful to write, I determined that this story is essentially devoid of value. I don't even know if there is an opportunity to trash Gates here. I know this is effectively a four day holiday for many people, but certainly there must be other stories with a modicum of news value worth posting.

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  3. How is this hypocritical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    For example, a romantic relationship in the workplace may raise perceptions of bias and favoritism.

    Isn't that just a factual statement? Relationships aren't forbidden, they're just telling you to exercise caution.

    Besides, when an organization's mission is essentially to push money out the door, there is indeed more potential for conflict of interest. EVERY transaction is subject to scrutiny, because there can be legal consequences for favoritism. Less so with a corporation.

  4. RTFA Submitter by sparkhead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't say they're forbidden, it says they should be disclosed to HR. It's a fairly common practice.

  5. What's wrong with office romances? by dk-software-engineer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the company I work in (danish company) more than 10% of the employees are married to each other. And we are hundres of employees, so I think there's enough statistical data to toy with.

    What if office romances was not allowed here? Why shouldn't it be allowed, as long as they are not romancing in the office? I regularly see people coming to work holding hands, and people from different departmens eating together, and that's it. I don't see any problems here. (But if people here keep marrying each other (or hiring spouses), this could be a family business in a few generations...)

    1. Re:What's wrong with office romances? by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Where I went to high school, we had 4 or 5 teacher couples who were working in the same school. I'm not sure why, but it seems like teachers have a very high rate of being married to other teachers. Probably has something to do with meeting in teacher's college. Anyway, I don't think it really caused any problems. I think the problem comes more from starting new relationships within the organization. You go out for six months, and then she cheats on you with tim in the cubicle next to you. This could create some very bad team dynamics. This is why I wouldn't recommend pursuing someone you have to work with on a daily basis. On the other hand, if you work in a large company with a thousand employees in the one building, and you spend 8 hours a day there, then it's probably your best chance for meeting someone. Outright banning office romances is a bad thing. If people get into relationships, and they break up, and then can't work properly together, then it's probably time for management to step in.

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    2. Re:What's wrong with office romances? by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Probably has something to do with meeting in teacher's college...


      I think it has more to do with meeting in the teacher's lounge.

      The fact is proximity provides opportunity for these relationships to flourish - regardless of what line of work you are in.
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    3. Re:What's wrong with office romances? by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But romance isn't necessary nor sufficient for office fights. If I'm friends with Bob at the office, and I lend him my car, and he crashes it, then wee might get in an argument. If someone eats my day-after-thanksgiving turkey sandwich that I put in the fridge, then that might cause some kind of conflict. It's when the conflict gets in the way of us doing our jobs that they should step in. They can't stop conflict from happening all the time. All they can do is make sure that it gets resolved when it becomes a problem.

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  6. FUD by EnglishTim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, not exactly FUD, but certainly wilfully misinterpretation.

    If you read the linked-to guide, it is primarily talking about situations in which an employee of the foundation has a relationship with someone who is a beneficiary, or potential beneficiary of the foundation.

    Remember that a large part of the foundation's work is to give other organisations money. Obviously they need to ensure that conflicts of interest are known about and that people aren't using their influence to get money passed on to their loved ones. In their position, it would be madness not to have a policy like that, and I'm sure most similar organisations have something similar.

    The document is mainly about relationships with people external to the company, but there is a small section about coworker romances. That section makes it quite clear that disclosure of office romances is only encouraged in situations where a conflict of interest could be a problem. The guideline is really very reasonable:

    When deciding what kind of relationships should be disclosed, consider the situation from the perspective of an outsider and whether the relationship is of such a nature that it could raise an allegation of an apparent or actual conflict of interest, and then err on the side of transparency, as disclosure helps to alleviate or avoid future misunderstandings.

    I assume then they would be talking about relationships where for instance the career advancement of one partner would be decided by the other partner in the relationship.

    Nowhere in the document does it seek to discourage such workplace relationships.

    The poster is just trying to whip up a bit of anti-Gates feeling out of thin air.

    Nothing to see here, move along!

  7. Re:I heard it through the grapevine... by babyrat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know that I've ever heard of a no workplace romance policy. And the policy that this article links to certainly isn't a no workplace romance policy. There are policies that deal with romances between employees and their supervisors and employees and contractors, and employees and beneficiaries because that opens up a whole realm of legal implications, and should be avoided, or if they are not avoided need to be dealt with very specifically in order to keep conflict of interest accusations out of the picture.

    Let me explain it to you in simple terms - you are in charge of deciding whether company A gets a million dollar grant, or company B gets a million dollar grant. You are banging the CEO of company A. Company A legitimately deserves the money over company B so you make the decision to give the million to company A (regardless f your current relationship with the CEO). Company B finds out you are in a relationship with the CEO of comapny A and sues over a conflict of interest. Whether they are successful with the lawsuit or not, you've just cost the company a lot of money in legal fees.

    The policy states (as does the policy in most corporations I've seen) that you should try to avoid those situations, but if you find yourself in that situation, talk to HR about it, and they will assign that decision to someone else if applicable, or make sure the decision process is monitored and well documented to provide a quick defense of any decision.

    And why are you bringing 'small business' into a discussion that involves a multi billion dollar foundation started by a man who until recently ran a multi billion dollar company? The story has absolutely nothing to do with small business.