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Handheld Device Reads Printed Words to the Blind

geekotourist writes "3,000 people in Dallas this week for the National Federation of the Blind convention are getting a demonstration of what life is like when you can read printed menus, mail, business cards and memos," reports the Dallas Morning News. The NFB spent two million dollars developing the $3,495 Kurzweil-National Federation of the Blind Reader, which weighs 15 ounces and combines text-to-speech with sophisticated OCR. The device 'gives the user an initial "situation report," describing what it can see. The user then makes a decision about whether to take a picture. After a few seconds to process the image, the contents of the document are read aloud.' Beta testers describe the joys of reading receipts, CDs, food labels, bulletin boards, conference printouts, or of simply reading books with privacy, without another person's help."

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  1. Real-world Zork: by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 3, Funny

    >You are driving on I-80. You are surrounded by cars.
    >*turn wheel right*
    >You have crashed your car. It is on fire.
    >*Run away*
    >I don't understand "away." ...

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    1. Re:Real-world Zork: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yeah, when I read the blurb stating "3,000 people in Dallas this week for the National Federation of the Blind convention," I was thinking, gee, those guys were just in Seattle last weekend, driving up and down I-5...

    2. Re:Real-world Zork: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now I gotta be skeptical about this "device". It's obviously a small commercial digicam (looks like an ELPH, strapped to a PDA. All the buttons and access controls are easily visible-no hardware developement was done, not even a cursory "case mod" to throw it into a shiny project box.

      $2 Million to develop this? Built out of off the shelf hardware available retail for around $800? And a fancy case to bungee it all together?

      It takes a snapshot, loads it, processes it and speaks it back in Project Gutenbergian audiobook monotone. It only needs to read printed text. The rest is software. And I'd think that $2M USD to modify existing OCR (stuff that even comes bundled with HP scanners now) is also a little excessive. I bet it doesn't meet any sort of "mission critical" criteria either. And then to add insult to injury and charge over $3000 for this device, just to suck up government and charity subsidies?

      I love hacking stuff together as much as the next guy. But I couldnt sleep at night if I sold a duct taped device for handicapped access for such a ridiculous sum.

      Hell, this thing looks as bad as my small-office "digital copier" I built for a friend using a cheap flatbed scanner, a small compaq 486 pizza box, and a inkjet printer. Screwed the whole thing to a short prefab bookshelf. Cost a lot less than the models at the time, and was slow, but it did the job. Theres no way in Hell I'd try to fleece people by selling it for *more* than current offerings, just because it was on wheels and could be disassembled for portability and upgraded in modules.

  2. why not braile output? by DaCool42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wouldn't braile output be better? It would allow for more privacy without the need for headphones, and I suspect most blind people could read it faster.

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    1. Re:why not braile output? by alphakappa · · Score: 5, Informative

      A device that would produce braille output on a surface would be much more expensive than one that had to simply convert words to spoken voice (using one of the many excellent text-to-speech technologies available today). Also, where's the lack of privacy when you are using headphones :-)

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    2. Re:why not braile output? by uncle_riley · · Score: 1

      something like this would do the trick braille reader.

    3. Re:why not braile output? by Dis*abstraction · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Smartest, wittiest, most stylish guy I ever knew was blind. Got all the ladies. Rhodes scholar, too. And he wrote a screen reader for Linux.

    4. Re:why not braile output? by jfmiller · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Braile is not necessarly always the best solution. First a large number of vision impaired people never learn it, esp those that go blind late in life. Second while braile can be read as fast as typed print, it takes a good deal of space. This device is too small for a good surface.

      As a side note, my supervisor is blind and has a device like this of the desktop varity. He can "read" about 300 words per minute, and be doing other things at the same time. I have fine vision but the though of being able to listen to my textbooks while doing the dishes almost justifies the $2500 price tag.

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    5. Re:why not braile output? by hooeezit · · Score: 5, Interesting
      This is a common misconception that Braille is the easiest form of presentation for the visually impaired. But that is not so.

      Mind you, I use the word 'visually impaired', and not 'blind' for a good reason. A large proportion of the people considered legally blind do have some vision - they fall into the category called 'Low Vision'. There are about 2 million people in the US at present who have Low Vision, but number will swell significantly as the baby boomers age into 50+. Most visual impairments are actually age related, and when you've had vision till age 55 and you suddenly lose it in 6 months, it's a very disturbing experience. Most people who undergo that experience either do not have the ability to or don't care about learning tactile braille at that stage. Even as of now, only a fraction of the visually impaired population can actually read braille.

      Also, as the other poster mentions, braille devices are extremely expensive, require a lot of power and are bulky (both in size and weight). A braille display with 40 braille cells will cost an additional $2500.

      All that said, I should also mention that building a purely verbal user interface for 'describing' things is a very challenging task. I've been working the last 2 years on a similar device but purely for addressing navigation issues for the visually impaired. We already have a prototype device that can read special barcodes at a distance of about 6 feet, and then that barcode can be looked up in a database to determine the user's location. But how to describe their current location in a manner relevant to their task is proving to be a very tricky problem to solve. Every few months, we feel that we are very close and then discover one more issue that sets us back another few months.

      So, it's encouraging to see that someone has been successfully able to build a verbal only interface for descriptive tasks.

      - Rudrava Roy
      Minnesota Laboratory for Low Vision Research
      University of Minnesota, Minneapolis

    6. Re:why not braile output? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      This is a device to give the blind the ability to read written words. Audio hardware is cheap and abundant. This is more designed to give blind people the same level of capability in business than to give them situational awareness. Also this device gives the blind the ability to read publications that haven't been transcribed to Braille, like a newspaper or magazine. Most blind people aren't able to read newsprint as so little of it is available in Braille.

      Anyone who has not experience blindness really has no idea just how much you miss out on. Try being blindfolded for a few days (I had to be for 4 days after an eye operation)

      P.S. by "blind" I don't mean "really drunk". Thought I'd head that one off at the pass.

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    7. Re:why not braile output? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YoU ProBabLy Run WindOws You Terorist racISt prEjUiced FREEEEEEEEK

      -Kaos

    8. Re:why not braile output? by Nuffsaid · · Score: 2, Funny

      What about buying a dishwasher machine? They are much cheaper than $2500.

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    9. Re:why not braile output? by owlstead · · Score: 1

      I don't think blind people are really waiting to use headphones. I mean, there is no reason why to obstruct one of the other senses when your main sense is already missing. But maybe for privacy in e.g. public transport, I could see them use headphones. Any blind person reading this on his braille terminal is of course invited to confirm/reject this statement.

    10. Re:why not braile output? by karnal · · Score: 1

      Actually, couldn't they use something like the old 24 pin printers did? Just have that under a fairly tough membrane....

      I know the 24 pin head would be a bit small; but the theory would be the same. Just make a long pad (maybe 30 characters long?) with these things poking the surface enough to act like braille.... :)

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    11. Re:why not braile output? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      Also, as the other poster mentions, braille devices are extremely expensive, require a lot of power and are bulky (both in size and weight). A braille display with 40 braille cells will cost an additional $2500.

      I could look it up, but this sounds like something worth discussing: why are braille devices so large and expensive? Aren't they basically a bunch of little solenoids that poke rods up from a surface? Unless I'm missing something, a 40 character (same as cell, right?) device would need 2x3x40=240 actuators. To my naive thinking, that seems like a pretty easy thing to make.

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    12. Re:why not braile output? by cr0sh · · Score: 1
      Have you ever played with a solenoid or a bare relay? If you had, you would know just how weak they are, and how size matters when it comes to these devices.


      To form the 2 x 3 cell pattern for a braille character, you have only a limited amount of space to put it in, because a single cell needs to fit in the area of a adult's fingertip, or about 1 cm^2. Furthermore, when the tips of the rods are pushed up, they need to stay up under the light pressure of the users fingers. It won't be great pressure, but it will exist (if they get pressed down and aren't sensed, the character might be misread). Finally, the rods need to be big enough for the user to sense them - too small of diameter, they won't be read, too big, and they won't fit in the area.

      Now, the solenoids that activate the rods, in order to accomplish this, may end up being wider than the rods themselves. There are ways around this mechanically and design wise, but you still need to deal with the fact that the coil of the solenoid has to be large (compared to the diameter of the rod tip) and composed of many windings to get the strength needed. Then there is internal spacing of the coils (I would imagine the coils to be packed in a staggered manner with the rods being flexible shafts - in other words, rod position and coil position would not be the same internal to the device to minimize final size of the product). These are only some of the considerations to take into account.

      Finally, realize that the market for these devices is what is called a "niche market", and thus market forces allow the seller to set a fairly high price for these devices as well (not too mention that the government picks up part of the tag via disability payments and such - ah, subsidies - but in this case, it is a worthwhile use of my taxes since it is for disabled citizens).

      That last little bit should tell you something: if you can develop a better a device for helping people with disabilities, you too might be able to become rich (warning: tons of government regulations ahead - not to mention a patent jungle). Therefore, can you develop a better braille reader for blind people? I will even give you a hint, which might lead to a new device: ferromagnetic fluids. Please note that I am probably not the first to think of this...

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    13. Re:why not braile output? by cr0sh · · Score: 1
      Have you seen a braille reader? That is almost precisely how they are designed, except instead of a "tough membrane", the pins just stick up out of the surface (they are rounded, not pointed, and only stick up a millimeter or so above the surface of the reading area). Yes, they are located on "one long pad", so many characters wide.


      Also, have you ever looked at an entire dot-matrix print head? While the area where the pins meet to print is fairly small, the solenoid driver end is actually pretty large - typically a circular case around two inches or so in diameter and about 3/4" thick. Plus, it tends to get very hot depending on how much it is used (sometimes it can get so hot it can jam). Now, imagine packing all of that, times 30 or 40, into a case for the braille pad. Yes, it can and has been done, but it isn't easy, and it doesn't turn out to be cheap, either (that, and the whole "niche market" thing).

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    14. Re:why not braile output? by binarysins · · Score: 1

      My mom's been blind since birth and she's a braille speedreader...and she prefers for things that have audio. She has had talking calculators (the one she had in the '80s was the same model that The Pet Shop Boys sampled in "Two Divided by Zero"); talking clocks; talking fluid level meters (hang it on the side of the cup and it tells you when it's full); tape machines for listening to books on tape from the Library for the Blind; a JAWS card, scanner and screenreading software for her PC, an iPod nano for books...you name it. Through my work I have an account with a library in New Jersey that offers audio book downloads from a collection and I gave her access, she loves it. I'm gonna send her and my dad the link to this, it's perfect for her.

    15. Re:why not braile output? by jfmiller · · Score: 1

      I have one of those. Unfortunatly it's as old as I am and the apartment manager doesn't see anything wrong with that. In addation to needing to get all but the most microscopic bits of food off the plate, it also does not hold two of my favriot pots, and of course wooden utensils.

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  3. How long until we see this on cameraphones? by FleaPlus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wonder what sort of camera resolution and processing power this requires. It would be great if in the near future something like this could be loaded onto an off-the-shelf cameraphone.

    As far as current cameraphones go, (picking semi-randomly...) a Treo 700p has a 312MHz XScale processor, and a PPC-6700 has a 416 MHz XScale. Both have 1.3 megapixel cameras.

    1. Re:How long until we see this on cameraphones? by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      As far as current cameraphones go, (picking semi-randomly...) a Treo 700p has a 312MHz XScale processor, and a PPC-6700 has a 416 MHz XScale. Both have 1.3 megapixel cameras.

      Those are smartphones, not camera phones. Don't expect the average camera phone to have anywhere near that much CPU power.

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  4. Awkward! by andrewman327 · · Score: 4, Funny

    This has just made your commute to work that much more awkward when the blind gentleman next to you pulls out a Playboy.

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    1. Re:Awkward! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      so thats who reads the articles

    2. Re:Awkward! by hapoo · · Score: 0

      What would be awkward is if the device was advanced enough to describe the pictures: *device placed on the magazine* Redhead, 5ft 4in, Double D cup, Shaved, Bent over...

    3. Re:Awkward! by Soko · · Score: 2, Funny

      That may also indicate why he went blind in the first place...

      Soko

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    4. Re:Awkward! by mcmonkey · · Score: 1
      Beta testers describe the joys of reading receipts, CDs, food labels, bulletin boards, conference printouts, or of simply reading books with privacy, without another person's help.

      Ok, I hope I'm not the only one reminded of David Cross's impression of Stephen Hawking having phone sex.

      I wonder what the voice options are. Sign me up for Alice from the Brady Bunch.

    5. Re:Awkward! by deblau · · Score: 1

      Holy cow, somebody reads Playboy for the articles?!

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    6. Re:Awkward! by siriuskase · · Score: 1

      Headphones, please

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  5. Nice phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, uh, cool. My phone does that and cost a whole lot less, weighs less, and looks really sweet.

    1. Re:Nice phone by Dis*abstraction · · Score: 2, Funny

      Great! Then you, too, can sell these for $3,495 a pop. Or maybe it's not quite the same thing, hmm? What's more likely?

  6. National Federation of the Blind Reader? by Solra+Bizna · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wasn't aware that one blind reader constituted a federation.

    </sarcasm>

    I seriously had to read that two or three times before it came out right.

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  7. Inventor is Raymond Kurzweil, Singularity guy by FleaPlus · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's probably be noted that the inventor/developer discussed in the article is Raymond Kurzweil, who's recently gotten a lot of press for his book about the technological singularity. Here's a brief blurb from the Wikipedia article about Kurzweil's inventions:

    Kurzweil was the principal developer of the first omni-font optical character recognition system, the first print-to-speech reading machine for the blind, the first CCD flatbed scanner, the first text-to-speech synthesizer, the first electronic musical instrument capable of recreating the sound of a grand piano and other orchestral instruments, and the first commercially marketed large-vocabulary speech recognition system.

    1. Re:Inventor is Raymond Kurzweil, Singularity guy by treeves · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I went to a concert back in 1984 in college where everyone in the audience put on headphones and the performer (I can't remember his name) used a synthetic human head with microphones embedded in it to simulate acoustically the human head (and this was a Kurzweil invention IIRC).
       
        He placed the head inside a grand piano and played - the effect was striking (no pun intended). He tapped and scratched the head and it sounded like he was doing it to my head. What a memory!

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    2. Re:Inventor is Raymond Kurzweil, Singularity guy by geekotourist · · Score: 2, Informative
      And the K-NFB reader could count as a demonstration of what Kurzweil means when he talks about the Law of Accelerating Returns. Looking at the beta tester article:

      The 1975 reader cost $50,000 (over $150,000 in today's dollars) and was the size of a dishwasher. This new reader "is about a thousand times smaller than the original Kurzweil Reading Machine, the PDA in the portable Reader is two thousand times faster. In fact, the portable Reader can execute about 500 million instructions per second as compared to 250,000 instructions per second for the Kurzweil Reading Machine. It also has a thousand times more memory (64 megabytes as compared to 64 kilobytes)."

    3. Re:Inventor is Raymond Kurzweil, Singularity guy by Qubit · · Score: 1

      Oh, don't worry about it --

      If you look at the numbers, {1975, $150000}, {2006, $3500}, you can extrapolate that COST = -4725.8*YEAR + 9483455 (roughly speaking). By next year, they'll be paying people around $1200 just to take them off their hands...

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    4. Re:Inventor is Raymond Kurzweil, Singularity guy by ralmin · · Score: 1

      Your linear regression is a mind-blowingly stupid way to interpret the decay in price. It's more likely to be an exponential decay. I calculate that COST = 1.358E+109 * EXP(-0.1212 * YEAR). By next year, they'll cost $3100, the year after that, $2750. They will hit the $1000 barrier some time in 2016.

    5. Re:Inventor is Raymond Kurzweil, Singularity guy by Qubit · · Score: 1

      Due to a grave travesty of justice I'm not allowed to both moderate and post in the same discussion (*shakes fist at CmdrTaco and /. rules*), but next time I'll try to remember to put a [HUMOR] tag at the bottom of my post for the androids and Vulcans in the audience.

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  8. Didn't we have these? by bky1701 · · Score: 1

    Maybe I watch too much TV... but I can sware I seen these before.

    1. Re:Didn't we have these? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes you have. I was in one of the news pieces that aired in Chicago where we presented the "original" technology called the iCare Reader (Link to video) This is a technology that was invented at Arizona State University a LONG time before Kurzwile ever dreamed about it. The research center called CUbiC has been working on developing devices for the blind since 2003. I personally helped develop the software for this and I can say we did it for a LOT LOT Less than 2 million.

      Oh and not only that, we took 6 months to develop a product and deploy it to a few locations around Arizona.

      This is just an example of the big corporation copying an idea and having the resources to mass produce it. We tried to get some disability companies involved in this but unfortunately they all fell through (I believe the original sale price after all the figures were crunched were around $1500 and it included an 8MP camera too).

      Its sad but technology in the market these days for individuals who are blind are VASTLY overpriced. This is because most of this is subsidized by the government so they charge extra knowing that it will be covered by some organization with ties to the government. Not only does this stifle competition but it stifles creativity since the big companies have the the capital to market anything they want and since they have a virtual monopoly on this industry, they can charge whatever they like.

      That said, I'd like to welcome our new blind overlords and remind them that I can be useful in rounding up some slaves.

    2. Re:Didn't we have these? by z4pp4 · · Score: 1
      Maybe I watch too much TV... but I can sware I seen these before.
      I saw it last night on a rerun of Smallville where Lex Luther's father was using it to read a book.
      But the coolest movie machine is the one that types out Braille from the screen as seen in Sneakers (kinda old but still nice movie). PLUS that guy could crack encryption from his fingers IN HIS MIND.
  9. Re:why not braille* output? by rea1l1 · · Score: 0

    Braille output would be MUCH LESS expensive. All the machine would have to do is determine the letter and then move 6 sticks up or down to the positions of the braille letter instead of outputting entire words.

  10. Re:why not braile output? non-braile readers 'yet' by callingalloldhippies · · Score: 2, Informative


    As one who is sporadically losing her sight, I would find this very helpful, but do not, as of yet know braille, nor in the middle of medical procedures which may or may not improve the issue in the possible near future, have the time, energy or immediate need to add one more semi-difficult skill to the list of "Help! I'm overwhelmed".

    BUT BOY! It would be a handy addition for the research I need right now.

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  11. Seems Expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $3495 seems like a lot for what is basically a high-end PDA with a camera. It doesn't even need a screen, should be cheaper...

  12. Now the blind can play text adventures. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The device "gives the user an initial 'situation report', describing what it can see.

    "You are in a maze of twisty passages, all alike."

    1. Re:Now the blind can play text adventures. by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Maybe in the big City... but for country folk...

      "You are standing in an open field west of a white house."

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  13. Re:why not braille* output? by robbak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The comparison is between a complex device made in the dozens, and a complex device made in the billions.

    A braile display, which needs to display a line of text - a single changing character wouldn't work, as users slide fingers across the characters - is expensive to produce in the small numbers required.

    A sound chip and headphones are used in every mp3 player, HPC and computer in existance. Probably ~50c in bulk amounts.

    And as for speed: People who use file readers often have them set to run at 2x-4x speed. As long as the diction is good, it's easy to understand. Especially if you are used to it.

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  14. Okay, so the bar has been set... by Qubit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How hard would it be to come up with a FOSS system to do the same thing? It sounds like the software makes up a good deal of the cost of the device -- with the proper patrons (like the NFB), perhaps you could come up with some system that would just cost as much as the hardware. I mean, heck, the NFB sunk $2 million into the project, and the blind will still have to pay $3500 for the device.

    So you'd start with a good digital camera and a small handheld device. Then you need OCR -> text and text -> speech. What's the state of research or code that one could use in FOSS projects? It's been a year or so since I last checked, but AFAIK the current OCR software that's Free just doesn't stack up with that latest commercial products....

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    1. Re:Okay, so the bar has been set... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kurzweil was given yet another honorary degree by Depaul University's School of CTI. At the ceremony (which I attended as a degree recipient), he gave a demo of the device and in his speech he talked about timing being crucial to success. Assuming he wasn't being hypothetical, it took his around 5 years to develop the software "while waiting for the hardware to become available." His CV is here -> http://www.kurzweiltech.com/raycv.html Considering the advantages (and patents) Kurzweil has in pioneering both OCR and text-to-speech, I'd imagine a comparable FOSS platform would, unfortunately, not appear in the near term future.

  15. But for how long? by neatfoote · · Score: 1

    This is a cool toy, but I wonder how they'll sustain demand for a purely visual text-recognition device when so many of the written items we encounter everyday are going digital anyway. Already many restaurant menus and conference programmes and utility bills are accessible over the Web, local street signs via GPS, and poster/event info via listservs and email lists. Come 2010, what exactly are we going to need to read off slips of paper?

    1. Re:But for how long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Already many restaurant menus and conference programmes and utility bills are accessible over the Web

      YoU aRenT oN thE wEb wheN yoU're In pUbliC. WheRe thIs deViCe wOuLd mOstLy bE uSeD.

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    2. Re:But for how long? by cwgmpls · · Score: 1

      I actually don't think it would be too hard to put together a FOSS version of this. OCR has been around for a long time now, and there are FOSS OCR packages available. Also, text-to-speech is nothing new and there are FOSS options for that as well. The only reason a device like this was not made before, either is FOSS or comercial versions, was that small, powerful hardware needed for a hand-held solution was not affordable. The software has been around for awhile, but today's small, afordable digital cameras and computers are making it possible to hold the whole package in your hand rather than run it on a desktop they way its been done for the last 10 years.

      As of yet, there is not even FOSS desktop version of a text-to-speech book reader available, even though the technology is ten years old. Put together a FOSS desktop book reader and it would be rather trivial to port it to a digital camera / palmtop setup like this device. The pieces are available, someone just has to do the work of gluing them all together.

  16. Regarding privacy by a302b · · Score: 1

    Regarding privacy, is extreme privacy really such a major concern in this situation? I mean, it isn't private information that is being passed along, as much as just reading one's (public) surroundings. I am sure this is much more private than the current method of having a friend reading and explaining everything!

    I have a friend who is extremely dyslexic, and thus can't really read. He loves walking down the street listening to books on tape, as it is his only chance to "read". How much more so for someone given a first chance to experience their surroundings like that! Having headphones instead of braille output allows someone complete mobility, instead of having to constantly hold something at all times.

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  17. Re:Why fucking bother with the God Damned blind by 1984 · · Score: 0

    I am. Rather than use my mod points. Fucktard.

  18. great for blind grad students by gareth.fletcher · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A cell-phone for the blind was recently made available to visually impaired people in New Zealand, costing around $300USD. It seems like only a small step further to add some sort of camera/document scanner... This particular device will unquestionably help visually impaired students of particular sciences (e.g. advanced math), where there is almost no demand of Braille versions of textbooks (and even the regular textbooks!) and too many books to pay the conversion to Braille (here I believe it's at least $500?).

    1. Re:great for blind grad students by michaelwigle · · Score: 1

      Actually, even Kurzweil's desktop version can't do usable COR on advanced math. Advanced math still needs to be manually transcribed by a Braille Transcriptionist into a form of Braille called Nemeth code. Then it can be read and used by a blind student who knows the advanced math code. I'm not sure why there is no demand in New Zealand for advanced math and other science textbooks in Braille other than perhaps not enough blind studetns there are interested but in the U.S., strategies for getting advanced math formulas into Braille from the textbook is in the forefront of discussion in schools because so many blind students need to take those courses.

      Michael Wigle Cincinnati Association for the Blind

  19. Portable vs handheld- different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    You talking about the portable reader- the one that was about the size and weight of a laptop? I saw it a couple of years ago. That isn't the same as software running on a handheld: putting pattern recognition on a Treo sized thing takes some development.

    it doesn't look like either of Kurzweil or the National Federation of the Blind are big corporations, or not even a small corporation. And since Kurzweil started working on readers in 1975, I think his dreams could have been big enough to see this coming. It's what all his books are about.

    1. Re:Portable vs handheld- different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "putting pattern recognition on a Treo sized thing takes some development"

      Your right! However, this technology has existed as a commercial product for a long time now. I still say he stole this idea. Just because he may or may not have dreamt of this does not mean he was the first to do it!!!

      Go hunt the net for devices that do just this and you'll see that the iCare Reader was out there WAY before anyone else may or may not have dreamnt of it.

      Oh and in the blindness world that you obviously don't live in, Kurzwile and NFB are akin to Microsoft.

  20. It looks stupid by s-twig · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wait a minute, it doesn't matter.

  21. Marketing Blows by ratboy666 · · Score: 1

    Ok, I think this could be a very useful device. But... (as usual) I am annoyed.

    I hate pricing like "3495". Why not suggest 3500? Especially for a big ticket item such as this. More reasonably, how about 20% over cost? (given its a medical item). Pick a number, and go with it. 3495?

    I know -- those pricing tricks work... Oh well.

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    1. Re:Marketing Blows by Kyace · · Score: 1

      Yes, I'd like to bid 3496 on the showcase, Bob.

      What do you mean, I went over by a dollar?!?

  22. Ray Kurzweil started in 2002, or 1975... by geekotourist · · Score: 2, Interesting
    In a news article interviewing Ray Kurzweil, it says that he started on the software for the K-NFB reader in 2002: "Kurzweil said the key to being a successful inventor is predicting what the technology will be years from now. That's what he did with this reader. He started developing the software four years ago." Given that he also has a decades long track record in building reading machines, and that other groups have worked on reading machines, the idea that ASU was the first or the only group to be working on this in 2003 isn't entirely plausible.

    The first description of this idea - although not as a handheld- seems to have been made in 1934, where ' In his 1934 story The Lost Language, writer David H. Keller describes a device that is actually able to make speech from printed text--the sound-transposing machine.'

    1. Re:Ray Kurzweil started in 2002, or 1975... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In 2002 we had a portable desktop prototype of the reader I'm talking about. In 2003 we took the prototype and made it into a product.

      The big difference is....while Kurzwile was starting on this in 2002, we already had a prototype and people using it.

      Just because he has a history of building scanners does not mean you can automatically credit him with this idea. The actual idea for this device was thought up in 2000 I believe when we held a user session of individuals who are blind and asked them what they wanted. One of them said, "I've always wanted to go to a library, pick up a book and read it." That is what sparked our idea!!

  23. I saw it by SiliconEntity · · Score: 1

    I saw this demonstrated by Kurzweil a few weeks ago at the Singularity Summit conference at Stanford. He held up the gadget above his book, pushed a button, and it started talking! So simple in concept but so hard to do. The audience went crazy, it was so clear how this would be a world changing gadget for blind people.

  24. Come on governments, subsidise it by DavidV · · Score: 1

    The high price for a device that would increase the quality of life of the blind is to me a really good reason for governments to subsidise these for their citizens. I hear americas medical system is expensive and not well supported by government, but Australia has a pretty good record of supporting its citizens medically, this is another opportunity to offer better service than their american counterparts, hopefully america will catch up with their compassion.

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    1. Re:Come on governments, subsidise it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the reasons the cost is so high is that it is subsidized. With insurance companies and others buying them for the blind they have no reason to charge a reasonable price.

    2. Re:Come on governments, subsidise it by cwgmpls · · Score: 1

      That's right. Not only will private health insurance pay for these as medical devices, U.S. government health insurance, Medicaid, which most blind people qualify for because of their disability, will also pay for these. In addition, individuals can apply for government assistance through local vocational rehabilitation programs to pay for these. Plus, may public schools systems will be picking up the tab for these for their students.

      So the high cost is caused precisely because these are ulimately payed for by government programs and private insurers. What is actually needed is less subsidy on the purchasing side of these devices to drive the price down, not more subsidy.

      Only a small number of well-off blind people will be buying these with their own cash. The vast majority of these devices will be paid for with government subsidies.

    3. Re:Come on governments, subsidise it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With unconstitutional government subsidies, the price will be inflated big time. I somewhat agree with the troll that kept say 'why not let natural selection take its course' What I mean by that is let them or their family pay for it, not from money that was taken from me at gunpoint. I still think the device should be made, just not subsidized by money that was taken from me at gunpoint.

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  25. Japanese by Benzido · · Score: 1

    Now I just want a handheld device that reads Japanese kanji characters out loud in English.

    1. Re:Japanese by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      "AIIEEEEEEE!! RUN! GOGIRRA!"

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    2. Re:Japanese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I live in the USA, I want one that will translate spoken Spanish into spoken English, especially if I visit Chicago or Miami or anywhere at all in California!

      Because my skill at speaking Spanish is really mierda.

  26. have they really thought this through? by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

    I mean, I'm sure it's great for the blind people. But how are all those dogs going to get jobs?

    Won't somebody please think of the dogs?

    1. Re:have they really thought this through? by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      Something tells me Guide Dogs won't be going away any time soon. A trained Guide Dog can get the user out of trouble, what's this going to do?

      "You are stood on a road."
      "There is a car."
      "There is a mangled body."

      A dog will stop you wandering onto the road unless it's safe.

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    2. Re:have they really thought this through? by Kyace · · Score: 1

      Plus, most guide dogs only read at a 5th grade reading level. Thats ok if you only want to read a newspaper, but some of those menus are hard.

    3. Re:have they really thought this through? by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      I didn't say the device was useless, I said it wouldn't replace dogs entirely. The dog can't read, this device can't stop you walking into the road.

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    4. Re:have they really thought this through? by Kyace · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth; I was just agreeing with your example of crossing the road: guide dogs and print-to-speech solve two different problems dealing with lose of sight and blindness.

  27. Hey that's my idea! by Zzeep · · Score: 1

    I (and no doubt thousands of other people) had similar ideas. My idea was actually a bit better; how about a phone that can scan menus and read them out loud? How about when you're on vacation and you don't speak the language. Wouldn't it be nice to scan a menu at a restaurant, to have the contents translated to your native language, so you know that you'll be ordering monkey brains? Use it as your mp3 player, and we might also add GPS functionality to it, with mapping software. Small effort to add a tiny DVB receiver so you can watch TV as well. I believe that killer devices like that will soon become possible; the only thing holding them back is power; usually almost half the volume and more than half the weight of portable devices is being used by the battery pack. Once fuel cell technology is efficient and reduced in size enough, you'll see those very usable devices come to the market.

  28. Porn? by tcdk · · Score: 1

    How does it handle ... images?

    "I see a blond babe, with huuuuuge...."

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  29. Re:why not braille* output? by sarahemm · · Score: 2, Informative

    It sounds simpler than it is. Braille cell displays are extremely expensive today, unfortunately. an example of braille cell display pricing

  30. Money and anti-counterfeiting by MasterC · · Score: 1

    I remember reading back many moons ago that photo software (Photoshop for one I believe) recognized money and refused to work with it on the chance the user might be trying to counterfeit it (never mind the number of legal uses for doing such a thing). I sure hope that that algorithm made it into this gadget but instead to recognize both the currency and amount.

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  31. Re:Why fucking bother with the God Damned blind by michaelwigle · · Score: 1

    I realize this was a troll but I can't resist because there some people who actually think they feel that way until they start to think. Natural selection, eh? OK, run naked into the woods with no tools, no supplies, and live off the land for one year. You're not allowed to make primitive tools because this is natural selection, right? Survival of the fittest? Oh wait, you mean you were given a brain to use? Imagine that, so just perhaps, our ability to think, work in groups (tribal hunting), and have a variety of skills and strengths and being able to make use of them *IS* letting natural selection take it's place. Believe it or not, there are blind people who have contributed to society.

    As a side note, since you are probably between 18 and 35 (notice I'm trying to give you the benefit fo the doubt) I can guarantee that if you haven't died in 50 years (which is quite likely) you will be going blind if not already legally blind. Are you going to kill yourself? Sit in your home and never go out letting someone else treat you like an incompetent child? Or are you going to take some Mobility lessons, fork out a few grand and move about with independence and read your own restaurant menus and street signs and food labels.

    When you're young and healthy it's easy to be cocky. But I assure you, nobody gets out of here alive and those who live the longest all lose their vision. Do you wanna live forever, punk?

  32. Stevie Wonder by ArcherB · · Score: 1

    For some reason, I remember seeing Stevie Wonder with a device like this on a commercial about 15 years ago. He was using it to read fan mail. Was that device fake or is this story non-news?

    Anyone else remember this ad?

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    1. Re:Stevie Wonder by shizzle · · Score: 1
      Hard to say what you saw... certainly similar technology was around 15 years ago, but in a much much larger package.

      Your mention of Stevie Wonder brings up what I think is an interesting little factoid: he's the link that got Kurzweil into music synthesis. He was an early user of Kurzweil's reading machines, and at some point complained to Kurzweil about the state of music synthesis technology, which inspired the whole Kurzweil line of music synthesizers.

      More details here: http://www.kurzweilai.net/bios/bio0005.html?printa ble=1

    2. Re:Stevie Wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ray Kurzweil developed the first "reading machine" (with the National Federation of the Blind fronting him the money) back in the 70's. It was a large machine (dorm-fridge sized) that you lay printed matter on to scan & it reads it back. It was a BIG deal when it came out. It was on "60 minutes" as well as the "Today Show". Stevie Wonder saw it on the Today Show & called to ask if he could get his hands on one. At the time, Ray had only built the first one! They hurried up and made their second machine, and that is the one that Stevie got. Interestingly, this has led to a lifelong friendship between them and a lot of Ray's inventions have been made with Stevie's help/input. (he has a music division of his products) If you check out Ray Kurzweil's website you'll read all about it. He is truly an amazing inventor- you'll be surprised at all of the stuff he did first.

      Anyway- so the reading machine has been around since the 70's, but the new Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader is portable!!!! They are working to get it smaller, but it is already totally portable. It took 4 years and 2 million dollars to get it where it is, but it will only go further. Can you tell I'm a big fan?

  33. Natural Selection = Reproduction by Dareth · · Score: 1

    Plain and simple. If being blind doesn't impact your ability to reproduce, then you are still "fit" by the only meaning of the term in natural selection.

    It does not matter if you have an IQ of 150+ or have 20/10 vision. In the end we are all less fit than Sultans with big harems and hundreds of children, or even many NBA players with dozens of children who have no talent beyond a good jump shot!

    Can be pretty humbling. Which is good. Maybe us "intellectually fit" people need to reproduce more if we want our genes to pass on and eventually be a sign of fitness.

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  34. Barcodes? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    Why not use gps? That can be so precise nowadays you could even use it for in house navigation.

    What do the barcodes offer that GPS does not? And if you are going to use something like barcodes why not rfid instead?

    I can understand the logic of barcodes 10-20 years ago but in this day and age it sounds like a project that has been around to long and been surpassed by technology. Am I wrong?

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  35. Text/OCR device alignment? by zanderredux · · Score: 1
    In the case of the severely visually impaired / really blind, how do they keep the scanner aligned with the text, to prevent reading gibberish?

    I didn't read TFA, but isn't *some* sight required to perform alignment tasks?

  36. Very cool, but.... by Cruciform · · Score: 1

    How long under we see custom designed ones that fit into an eye socket? :)

  37. Better tech than this gizmo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does a story have to concern electronics in some way to make slashdot?

    I've worn corrective lenses since 1959 (second grade), glasses until 2003 when I switched to contacts. My uncorrected vision two weeks ago was worse than 20-400; I could read at 20 feet what normally sighted folks could read at over 400 feet.

    As I got older, I'd pull my glasses down my nose to read. When I got contact lenses I got reading glasses, changing me from "four-eyes" to "six-eyes".

    Last year I was informed by my eye doctor I had a cataract in my left eye, and my vision could only be corrected to 20-40 in that eye. He sent me to an eye surgeon.

    I was offered a new technology, approved by the FDA only three years ago. It is a new cataract implant that cures cataracts, nearsightedness, farsightedness, and astigmatism.

    I spent the extra cash on it and got the implant a week ago. Now I'm "three-eyes" as my left eye is 20-16 and I no longer need reading glasses! For the first time in my life I have no restrictions on my driver's license!

    In effect, I was worse than blind without my glasses as legally blind is uncorrectable 20-200 vision (although, of course, mine was correctable). I can now see at 20 feet what normally sighted folks have to be no more than sixteen feet away to see, And for the first time in my life I can read without glasses! My sight is so good I can read the date on a penny at arm's length, and it gets better every day.

    So I searched slashdot for the 2003 story on this piece of miraculous technology I have implanted in my left eye, and got nothing. A search for "cataract" also turned up nothing.

    I'd think that as this is a nerd site, probably over 95% of its readers wear corrective lenses of some sort. Your bad eyesight can be completely cured, if it is caused by one or more of the four medical conditions I mentioned!

    A cure for blindness trumps a gizmo that reads to the blind any day, and they had a reader like this thirty years ago (albeit the size of a washing machine).

    Somebody submit a atory about this fairly new tech. After all, OCR isn't very earth shaking. Curing blindness is!

  38. OT: With huuuuuge... by Spaceman40 · · Score: 1

    ...tracts of land?

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  39. Isn't this really old news? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    I recall seeing little $100-ish devices in the catalog you get on airplanes that claim to read a word from paper, translates it into another language, and speaks it for you in that language. Why is something that only does a fraction of that somehow interesting? Because it is intended for use by visually impaired people instead of tourists?

    *rolls eyes*

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    1. Re:Isn't this really old news? by cr0sh · · Score: 1
      Remember, these devices are to be used by blind people, not by sighted people who can see where to place the reader.


      Given this constraint, you now have a bigger problem on the software side: How much of the "material" to be "read" is visible? Are there letters and words on the paper? What if the media the words are written on is non-planar (ie, wrinkled reciept, curved or bent menu, etc)? What if the media has contrast issues (lighting, shinyness of laminate, etc)? What if the media to be read is presented upside down to the reader (furthermore, can you detect this and let the blind user know)?

      These are all just a few of the possibilities that I can see causing the price to be high. Sure, it is all in software, but you must be aware the Kurzweil has just about dedicated his and his company's life on developing solutions to all of these issues. It started with his reading machine, I imagine it won't end until eye implants are available (I could also envision a smaller version of this as a monocle or headset style device in which the camera sits, coupled via bluetooth or similar to a belt-mounted computer, plus a pair of headphones - such a device might be helpful to read pedestrian signage in a city or park environment, to aid in navigation, perhaps also coupled with some "Steve Mann" inspired wearable recognition software in which it could "recognize" and store familiar faces and audio notes about them - the possibilities are immense).

      Yes, it seems like such a device should be easy to develop, simple to use, and cheap to sell - but the reality of it is that it isn't, mainly because of the constraints of its primary user - a blind person.

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  40. Couldn't they use a newer TTS voice? by assassinator42 · · Score: 1

    The one in the video seems pretty old. Is it limited by processing power or something?

  41. Copyright by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

    I certainly hope they aren't planning to take any pictures of copyrighted works...

  42. A use for an ebook device I'd not thought of by Catbeller · · Score: 1

    This puts me in mind of another use for a nice, cheap ebook device. It could read books to the blind. Call me blind as well, I never thought of it before I read the article.

    At risk of going even further offtopic, what would be the chances of makezining a cheap ebook device from parts? I only ask because this article causes me to think that its a cultural travesty that no one makes an open-spec ebook for less than a hundred bucks. We need reading devices for so many things; textbooks, saving paper, saving our backs when we lift those boxes of books on moving day, and now letting blind people read without assistance. We need them, and never will know how much we can't live without them until someone makes one that people want to use.

  43. Barcodes? Sure, why not? by cr0sh · · Score: 1
    GPS doesn't work well in situations where there isn't a fairly clear line of sight - I just started doing geocaching, and while I realized this long before I started, I didn't really have a feel for it until I tried it. Even out in the clear sky where the device could see four satellites, your best average fix is still +/-3 meters - regardless of the GPS unit you are using. For full disclosure, I was using a cheap Garmin Etrex bought used off of Craigslist, but from what research I have done, this limit applies to all standard commercial GPS units.


    To get better positional accuracy, you need to move to differential GPS (DGPS), which is GPS coupled with precisely located ground-based transponders (LORAN and others) to get a differential positioning which is used to average and reduce the error level of standard GPS to something much more precise. Depending on the equipment used, this can be very accurate (in +/- X centimeters, in some cases).

    I would imagine if you wanted to do something like this for a home or other indoor location, you wouldn't do it with standard GPS but rather with some other localized positional transponder system just for the area in question. Even so, it seems like it would take a lot of relatively expensive equipment which may or may not work all the time, possibly leaving "dead spots" and such which might make interior navigation more difficult (and not to mention, more expensive to install).

    The choice to use barcodes is actually a very sound and wise decision, in my opinion. It is easy to deploy (need a new barcode to tag a new description to? Print it out and stick it up!), and it is something that, given a high enough resolution camera with a wide enough field of view (or multiple cameras, more likely), coupled with enough processing power (to decode and read barcodes from a distance and/or at an angle and under different lighting conditions), becomes very easy to use. For a sighted person, seeing barcodes everywhere might not make good asthetic sense, but to a blind or otherwise visually impaired person, they probably don't care.

    It isn't that you are wrong, you are just falling for the fallacy that "new and high-tech" means "better and cheaper", which can sometimes be the case, though in many cases another choice (of a mature, reliable, time-tested, and inexpensive technology), might be the better solution for the problem at hand.

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    1. Re:Barcodes? Sure, why not? by siriuskase · · Score: 1

      Okay, why not LPS? I just made that up, it means Local Positioning System. It's like GPS, but instead of receiving satalite signals, it receives signals transmitted from 3 corners of the building that you are in. Obviously, each building has it's own database that can be transmitted while wondering around inside the building with the most useful part received just after entering.

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    2. Re:Barcodes? Sure, why not? by cr0sh · · Score: 1

      Such systems do exist - they are mainly used in warehousing and other industrial buildings to track machinery, supplies and (sometimes) workers. But they tend to be very expensive technology (mainly because of the niche market they are in, but the technology figures in to it). Barcodes and simple cameras and/or laser scanners are way cheaper to develop and deploy...

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  44. Edge detection by Too+many+errors,+bai · · Score: 1

    Perhaps now with a combined Dobelle implant (Google it, can't find any one official site) and this reader, they can see the lines of what they're viewing AND have it read to them. Getting closer and closer, just need to add color and we're 90% of the way there.

  45. cowardly reply but Genuine Information Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the mid-1970 I worked with a blind programmer who used a tactile reader about 1/4 the size of a typical deck of playing cards - about two fingers wide and one long. He would insert his finger tip into a hole in the reader onto a pad of pulsing/vibrating pins and scan the device across a line of text, allowing him to read quite rapidly. I belive it just produced a lager image of what was under the scanning window rather than Braille but it obviously suited his needs well.

  46. Re:Price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or better yet, how about $50 so the fucktarded blind will get them and eventually explode from some design flaw and the fucktarded blind are out of the god-damned gene pool?

    GO AHEAD FUKING FLAME AWAY!