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DHS to Send Widespread Alerts

MarsGov writes "The Department of Homeland Security is gearing up to be able to periodic test 'alerts' to cable television stations, satellite radio, as well as any text-capable device — PDAs, cell phones, and web sites." From the article: Some glitches remain as telephone companies and other networks grapple with potentially trying to alert all of their customers at the same time without jamming their systems, Lawson said. But the alerts could be transmitted by text messages, audio recordings, video or graphics, he said, opening the possibility of sending out additional detailed information to specific sectors, like hospitals or emergency responders."

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  1. Invasion? by cb8100 · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, if the U.S. gets invaded I'll get an SMS saying "All our base are belong to them?"

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  2. kind of scary by Twillerror · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As much as I think this could help in the event of disaster, I hope that some legislation is passed to limit it's use. It would be very easy to abuse it for propogand purposes.

    1. Re:kind of scary by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not to mention possibly clogging up vital pieces of infrastructure that would be most needed in an emergency...

      "We're sorry, your call cannot be completed as dialed, this cell node is currently attempting to send 104,000 SMS messages..."

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    2. Re:kind of scary by mrxak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can only seeing something like this causing panic. "UR IN DANGER RUN 4 LIFE" getting sent to thousands of people all at once can't possibly be a great way of alerting people to an emergency. At least with television alerts they give you a decent amount of information, but text messenging, especially at this large a scale, any message sent would probably not be able to include a lot of information.

    3. Re:kind of scary by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 5, Funny

      and 5 minutes later a 2nd SMS saying:

      No, the OTHER way!


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    4. Re:kind of scary by dougman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Clearly you did not RTFA. It states, "Only the president can order a national emergency alert" and "The new digital system will update the emergency alerts planned -- but never used -- during the Cold War in the event of a nuclear strike". More legislation...uggh.

      While you can pretend to predict what will happen, over 55 years of history (this program started in 1951) shows that it is unlikely to be used. Only the President can issue the alert and the current President didn't on 9/11 or any other time since. Other than your own FUD, what reason do you have to believe that it will suddenly be used for evil?

      Again, DHS is updating the technology to deliver the same old message (which they apparently have yet to send).

    5. Re:kind of scary by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm on a couple of these kinds of lists already.

      I've been on the the CERT lists (and the Old system for 9 years now, and they have never abused the system to my knowledge. Granted, CERT is only for computers, but it is similar to some of the new proposed lists.

      I also signed up for the Safe Community Alert Network, which is some sort of private-public partnership between SBC/ATT & various other organizations. Various government State, County & City agencies in California have referred me to ScanUSA.

      ScanUSA does send me Amber Alerts, notifications about nearby fires, etc. However some of those Amber Alerts & Fire Alerts are from San Diego, which is 500 miles from me. Not very relevant.

      The vast majority of the messages have been spam-ish -- I got notifications about the COPS program (COPS uses *very* agressive fundraising techniques), non-urgent warnings regardiing West Nile Virus, reminding me to wear sunscreen, and notifications about upcoming meeting for the County Health Department.

      Here's the kicker: I'm only signed up for "Critical" alerts. I shouldn't be getting any of these--- but I do.

      I would never sign up for SMS alerts from this organization. Way too much Spam.

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    6. Re:kind of scary by geobeck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It would be very easy to abuse it for propogand[a] purposes.

      Unlike the regular news media, which has never been used for propaganda purposes, of course.

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    7. Re:kind of scary by dougman · · Score: 4, Informative

      AFAIK, it hasn't been used on a national scale, but the EBS has been activated over 20,000 times at the local level since 1975 (http://www.fcc.gov/eb/eas/FCC-94-288.pdf). I've heard tornado alerts over the system several times in my life, and frankly getting it via cell phone text message would be an asset.

      Here's a couple articles on the subject in the event you were honestly wondering.

      The Emergency Alert System (EAS) page
      National Alert System In Disarray
      The Partnership for Public Warning

      Facts that can be found in the above links:

      President Truman established CONELRAD in 1951.
      President Kennedy established the EBS in 1963.
      President Clinton established the EAS in 1995.
      Clinton Administration updated the EAS to all digital in 1996.
      President Bush began procedures to amend the EAS rules to include Digital Media Technologies on November 3, 2005.

      With all due respect, you're spreading FUD, not FACTS.

  3. Just in time for the fall election season by BroncoInCalifornia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They have to push the fear buttons before the fall election. It will make the difference between winning and losing.

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    1. Re:Just in time for the fall election season by dougman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The difference between winning and losing for whom? Again, everything is about "the timing" and has to have an agenda.

      First off, if you RTFA, it says, "The Homeland Security Department, through the Federal Emergency Management Agency, expects to have the system working by the end of next year." Furthermore, this is extending 1950's policy (President Truman, Democrat) to 21st centrury devices. Lastly, it has never been used and only the president can issue its usage. But hey, feel free to don your tinfoil hat. I guess only time will tell - we should follow up on this after the elections.

      What I find unfortunate is that DHS can't win. If they send out any kind of alert and nothing happens, they overreacted (even if there was a real threat and the perps simply scratched their mission once they were exposed.). If they don't send an alert and something happens, they take the blame for that. If they use it to send out emergency information on a hurricane bearing down on New Orleans... well, they won't do that right, because you believe this tech will only be used for political gain (though TFA says it may be used for natural disasters).

      Again, this is a case where the technology can be used for good or evil. Looking back at how things unfolded on 9/11, it would have been highly beneficial to have system in place to alert officials of what was happening. It is amazing how much lag there was between the time we suspected we were under attack and when all the airlines found out and began issuing orders to their pilots.

    2. Re:Just in time for the fall election season by lawpoop · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "What I find unfortunate is that DHS can't win. "

      I think it's a little early for you to come to this conclusion.

      "If they send out any kind of alert and nothing happens, they overreacted (even if there was a real threat and the perps simply scratched their mission once they were exposed.). "

      If you look at a timeline of terror alerts, they all seem to coincide with the release of news that was damaging to the Bush administration.

      "If they don't send an alert and something happens, they take the blame for that. "

      Has that actually happened (yet)? That's why I say it is perhaps too early for you to say that they can't win.

      "If they use it to send out emergency information on a hurricane bearing down on New Orleans... well, they won't do that right, because you believe this tech will only be used for political gain (though TFA says it may be used for natural disasters)."

      Did they issue such a warning for hurricane Katrina? I honestly don't recall if they did. If they did, kudos to them.

      If this is a tech that can be used for good or evil, based on historical evidence, I think the Bush administration will use it for evil.

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    3. Re:Just in time for the fall election season by dougman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you look at a timeline of terror alerts, they all seem to coincide with the release of news that was damaging to the Bush administration.

      Something "damaging" is headlined about the Administration every week, if not daily. It takes no skill to "correlate" these alerts.

      If this is a tech that can be used for good or evil, based on historical evidence, I think the Bush administration will use it for evil.

      Again, FUD. This tech *has* been available to the President during his entire term. The fact that it is being extended beyond 20th century technology (tv, radio) is a natural evolution. In fact based on historical evidence, there is no reason to believe they will use it now.

      Anyhow... showing any signs of conservatism is bad for karma these days, so I'll stop now.

  4. Good for Disaster Preparedness. by couchslug · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A standard message format for disaster warning would be useful when prompt response could save lives. Tornado warnings come to mind as an ideal use for this. Not everyone is watching the boob tube or listening to conventional radio these days.

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  5. "Test Alerts" My Ass by Chagatai · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The real reason for these alerts is to keep people as scared as possible. A building blew up in New York two days ago? Must be scary terrorists. Your flight was delayed? Be scared--it may be terrorists. Flat Coca-Cola, small puppies getting kicked, and cable rates being raised? Be terrified, because these were likely caused by terrorists.

    The truth is that these events will continue during the 2006 elections and we should start seeing a few Orange Alerts or even a planned attack here in the next several months. No, wait, I got it. There will be an attack immediately followed by news of Osama bin Laden's death. Yeah, that will do it.

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    1. Re:"Test Alerts" My Ass by geobeck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There will be an attack immediately followed by news of Osama bin Laden's death.

      They can't kill off Osama! He's the goose that lays the exploding eggs! After all, 'terror' is just an abstract concept. But when you have such a charismatic poster child, it becomes a war on "that guy with the turban".

      And that creates even more terror, as the resulting xenophobia makes people see 'terrorists' around every corner. Your cab driver? He wears a turban just like Osama! He must be a terrorist! (Actually, the stereotypical Sikh cab driver's turban looks nothing like Osama's, but who pays attention when they're whipped into a xenophobic frenzy?) That engineer at X-TechCo looks kind of like Osama--he must be stealing technical secrets for terrorists! And that airline pilot doesn't look 'American'--ohnoes, we're all going to die!

      Without Osama's pretty face in the news every day, the war on terror would fizzle into a war on apathy.

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  6. SMS charges? by yellowbkpk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So does this mean that when I get an SMS pushed to me by the DHS via my cell carrier that I'll get charged $0.10 for the feature, or will it be a free-of-charge alert?

  7. Who are the terrorists? by McGiraf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The terrorists' goal is to spread fear to help them get to their political goals. They are going to be very happy everytime this alert system is used, they're going to reach a lot more people to scare them now. And with this no need to plan expensive real terrorist acts, you just have to convince the USA intelligences services that something big is going to happen. But who is spreading the most fear? Who's political agenda is pushed by this? Who are the terrorists?

    1. Re:Who are the terrorists? by geobeck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The terrorists' goal is to spread fear to help them get to their political goals. They are going to be very happy everytime this alert system is used...

      And that's exactly why they are going to use it.

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  8. Whatever happened to. . . by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    that wonderful color-coded scale that was touted to alert people to the current state of readiness? You do remember that chart, don't you?

    Me neither.

    So tell me again how sending the entire nation into a tizzy everytime bin Laden sneezes is going to be any better? Don't we have enough dumbasses living in a swamp coming on tv and telling everyone how afraid they are that their double-wide will be bombed whenever they see someone whose skin isn't white?

    Do we really need this crap other than to keep people in a state of panic?

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  9. Can't wait... by ph43thon · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...until some guy hacks that system to send out "Test Alerts" about his large penis.

  10. *text msg chime* by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny

    FROM: DHS
    SUBJECT: omgwtfbbq
    BODY: big missls cmg oshit run awy now pls kthx

  11. Re:Interesting. by FLEB · · Score: 3, Funny

    It means we go into Emergency Bureaucracy. May God help us all.

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  12. Bass Ackwards by 955301 · · Score: 3, Interesting


    This is exactly the type of information broadcasting was intended for now we're going to try to distribute it on systems that are intended to reach single devices? WTF?!

    They would be better off requiring all computers and phones to have a built in emergency broadcast radio receiver permanently fixed on the channel and on at all times. At least then they won't bog down general bandwidth.

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  13. WRONG - they have been abused. by JetScootr · · Score: 3, Informative

    When Hurricane FEMA^H^H^H^HRita was due to hit the Texas coast, I received 3-4 phone calls in a 15-minute span telling me to leave. Forced evacuations mean the gov't won't allow individuals to plan for themselves. I've lived within 15 miles of the Gulf since 1967, and have never needed to leave for any hurricane. I could tell that Rita was going to weaken, from experience. Hurricanes that start up quickly in the Gulf also weaken quickly as they approach Houston.
    I spent 5 days on the road for no good f******* reason.
    That's abuse of power.

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  14. a good thing, or FEMA's job? by moosesocks · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't know about you, but this system actually has some appeal to me.

    I wouldn't want to be receiving messages everytime Osama Bin Laden sneezes, or some vague insubstantial threat warning is released, but some type of good, reliable system for distributing information when there is a clear and present danger would be immensely helpful to our country.

    An effective information distribution system would have done wonders for getting people out of New Orleans ahead of time, rather than at the very last minute.

    Likewise, if such a system were activated during the big NYC blackout a few years ago, it would done a lot to let people know that there was no sort of terrorist attack or other emergency.

    As long as such a system is kept under tight control to only be used in *extreme* emergencies, I have no problem with it, although I do agree that such a system could very easily be used for propoganda purposes...

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  15. Re:Indeed by The_Unforgiven · · Score: 3, Informative

    I could be wrong, but I think you're probably thinking of Fahrenheit 451, rather than 1984.

    Not trying to be picky or anything, just figured I mention it.

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