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DRAM Makers Accused of Price Fixing

AdamWeeden writes "According to the EETimes, many of the states in the U.S. have entered into a class-action lawsuit against a group of eight DRAM manufacturers. The companies are accused of price-fixing computer memory for over five years, beginning in the late 1990s." From the article: "Four companies and 12 executives have so far pleaded guilty to participating in the conspiracy and have been assessed more than $730 million in fines. In May, three of the four companies, Samsung Electronics, Hynix Semiconductor Inc. and Infineon Technologies AG agreed to pay a total of $160 million to settle class action suits related to price fixing. Elpida Memory Inc., the fourth company to plead guilty, is still involved in the class-action suits."

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  1. Great news! by Crasoum · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Always good to see lawyers making more money off class actions suits, and the rest of us getting a rebate.

  2. Corporate Charter by professionalfurryele · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why why why why why when these companies do crap like this don't we just abolish thier corporate charter, sell their assets to their competitors and realse their patents and copyrights into the public domain and abolish their trademarks? I'm getting very tired of hearing about large corporation X acting against the public intrest by breaking the law. Make it so that shareholders will punish them for breaking the law and a corporation will not break the law.

    1. Re:Corporate Charter by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That would involve punishing a lot of people for crimes of a handful. Most of the sharehholders had no way of knowing that such illegal activities were going on. Why should they be punished substantially more than they gained?

    2. Re:Corporate Charter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why should they be punished substantially more than they gained?

      As a shareholder in a limited-liability corporation, should the government decide to dissolve the corporation, they'd be out their stock, and that's it. This was the risk they signed up for when they invested in the company.

      My personal belief is that we should stop using the "corporate veil" to protect everyone in the company. Take Merck for instance, if I went out and gave people pills that I knew could kill them and they do, I'd probably be looking at first degree (premeditated) murder. The people there who chose money over not killing people (starting with the author of the memo regarding the millions that they could save by not letting people know that it can cause heart problems, the person who acted on the memo to supress the information, then moving on to everyone who read that report inbetween as an accomplice) should be ripped out of the corporate veil and prosecuted.

      Until this starts happening, our corporations will continue to be led and staffed with sociopaths who can and will destroy everything they touch for personal gain, and then get hired at another company to repeat. When the companies' employees recognize that they will be personally accountable for dumping the barrels of waste in the river, they will balk at their superiors' orders, who in turn will hopefully recognize that they will be personally responsible, and balk at their superiors' orders, on up the chain until finally whoever is deciding to break the law is either ignored or removed. And yes, that means that if any particular shareholders orders the company to break the law, they are as responsible for that as if someone hired a hitman to kill their wife.

  3. Was it really that bad? by RingDev · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So they fixed prices, so what, memory prices in the mid/late nineties plummited. Early 90s buying a 4 meg chip costed hundreds, mid 90s a 32 meg chip cost under a hundred, by the end of the 90s we were paying under a buck a meg, heck now it's what, under a buck for 10 megs?

    In the end, the consumers will see none of it (who's really going to go through to paper work for a $3 rebate?), the lawyers will see millions, and the government will get the unclaimed payouts.

    IOW, a complete waste of time.

    -Rick

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  4. Re:Price Fixing by arivanov · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And what if I do not want to upgrade in the next 90 days?

    This way you are actually helping them by creating a gold rush which will clear their stock inventory in the next 90 days and they can even write it off as a loss as well.

    A penalty is supposed to hurt the penalised, not the improve its financial and inventory positions.

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  5. They weren't very good at it by acvh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1993 - 4 MB SIMM $160
    2003 - 256 MB DIMM $160

    Spitzer should go after real criminals, and stop using threats and publicity to extort big settlements.

    1. Re:They weren't very good at it by Surt · · Score: 2, Insightful


      1993 - 4 MB SIMM $160
      2003 - 256 MB DIMM $160

      Spitzer should go after real criminals, and stop using threats and publicity to extort big settlements.


      That doesn't make much sense.

      Suppose I then told you that in the alternate history with no price fixing, the 2003 line looked like this:
      2003 - 256 MB DIMM $16

      Surely you'd then agree that a >$100 profit per dimm from price fixing wasn't exactly a good situation for the consumer?

      Price fixing is bad for the consumer, regardless of other improvements in the technology of memory manufacturing.

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      "Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
  6. DRM Makers Accused of Price Fixing by jaweekes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I misread the subject as "DRM Makers Accused of Price Fixing" and got all excited!

  7. Insightful?????? by Frankie70 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This way you are actually helping them by creating a gold rush which will clear their stock inventory in the next 90 days and they can even write it off as a loss as well.
    A penalty is supposed to hurt the penalised, not the improve its financial and inventory positions.


    Huh! If this is going to be good for them, then why don't they do it themselves?
    Is anybody going to stop them?

  8. Difficult situation for us anarcho-capitalists by dada21 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here is one area that is very difficult to win the anarcho-capitalist debate on -- the cartelization of this particular market in this particular industry sounds very insidious and hard to compete with without the government intervening and bringing the hammer down.

    Most people believe that memory manufacturing is a VERY expensive business. This is true in terms of overall numbers (billions), but it is false in terms of actual products required on the market. Memory is used in much more than just computers (cars, microwaves, cell phones, digital cameras, DVD players, etc), and it is a huge market, possibly a trillion dollar one coming soon. When you have a big market, a big demand and a low supply of manufacturers, it doesn't take much to raise the billions needed to enter a market where there is obvious collusion. 1 million Americans risking US$3000 in a market that you can prove is selling at a overwhelming profit is not a big risk -- and many people were aware of the over-priced memory market back in the 90s.

    Yet I think the debate is won by the free marketeers when you realize that one of the biggest reasons for the cartelization in this case is patent and copyright law. Memory chips are heavily burdened by patents, and many of those patents are cross licensed by those in the cartel. This smacks of government-paternalism and is one reason why patents generally help the cartels and the State rather than the inventor. The cartel:inventor ratio in terms of who is helped by patents is very very high (more cartels are helped than individual inventors).

    I believe the government is wrong for starting class-action lawsuits. We all know that few companies are hurt by class-action lawsuits, and even fewer "victims" are helped. The lawyers (who are the biggest supporters of the expanding State) win the most! Why don't we roll back before the cartel-State collusion and see what the real cause of this problem is? The biggest barrier to the market is NOT money -- stop thinking that! No matter what the financial cost is, if there is a profit to be made, people will invest. I don't care if it is quadrillions that are needed, as long as it is profitable (and cartels can always be beaten in price), people will risk money. The real barrier is the State -- no one can raise enough "force" to overcome the force of government patents and copyrights.

  9. err by TrekkieGod · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe because American laws against price fixing wouldn't apply to an internation organization of which the US isn't even a member?

    What do you think that we can do? We're a large consumer of oil, so we can apply economic pressue. That already happens though, and we already get very good deals. Believe me, gas is much less expensive in the US than in just about any other country.

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  10. Re-Occuring Theme by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Havent we seen this a few times in the past? " Oh, bad industry.. you are fixing prices.. *slap on wrist* .. now be good.. " then we go thru it again in a few years as nothing ever changes. Governmental 'fines' are considered a cost of doing business anymore, and have long since stopped being a deterrent.

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