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World Firefox Day

kbrosnan writes "Are you a fan of Firefox? Want to spread the word to a friend who hasn't heard of it yet? If you can convince just one person to switch to Firefox before September 15th, you'll both be immortalized in Firefox 2.0's source code."

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  1. Alternative to the promotion by patio11 · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you want to be known for all eternity as someone who did not spam your friends and family, post here and be immortalized on Slashdot and the will-someday-be-omniscient Google Cache.

    1. Re:Alternative to the promotion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I just wonder what would happen if my name was

      */ do_virus();

    2. Re:Alternative to the promotion by Jaysyn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My question is, what if you've already got 10-20 people to switch?

      Jaysyn

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  2. Alternative Method by jvalenzu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about fixing some bugs, or shrinking that memory footprint. Then you can be immortalized in the code *and* you don't have to be a nuisance to your friends.

    1. Re:Alternative Method by Threni · · Score: 4, Informative

      > Hell yea. My idea of celebrating worldfirefox day is getting the HUGE memory leak squashed.

      It's not a leak it it's intentional - it's simply huge memory usage.

    2. Re:Alternative Method by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "It's not a leak it it's intentional - it's simply huge memory usage."

      If it's by design, then there's no excuse for not providing an off switch for it.

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    3. Re:Alternative Method by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "there fucking is you moron. Every time firefox gets mentioned in a /. article, a thousand morons complain about the memory problem. It is something due to be repeated from now until then end of eternity."

      If they didn't put a clear UI into FF to change this setting (or pick a better default), then of COURSE it's bound to be repeated from here until eternity. As I said, no excuse.

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      "I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)

    4. Re:Alternative Method by riscthis · · Score: 2, Informative
      Also the awful start up time !! Even the best IE basher will accept that IE is far better in this case!!!!
      Then Firefox Preloader is what you need: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffpreloader/

      If your user account has higher-than-user privileges you can combine this with SysInternals' PsExec to launch Firefox Preloader with limited permissions -- this ensures ensures Firefox will always run with low privs even if it's opened via a hyperlink from another program:

      C:\bin\psexec.exe -l -d "C:\Program Files\FirefoxPreloader\FirefoxPreloader.exe"
      (I first saw this tip in a blog comment on SysInternals site regarding PsExec and have used it ever since)
    5. Re:Alternative Method by XchristX · · Score: 2, Informative

      One way to reduce start-up times is to always keep it in memory using Firefox Quickstarter:

      http://mozillaqs.sourceforge.net/

        This chap built quickstarters for both Mozilla & Firefox. Doesn't addres the huge RAM usage, but it does effectively 'speed-up' starting the frontend (which does seem to have a tiny memory footprint, the main footprint is in the runtime environment itself...)

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  3. now this... by joe+155 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...is a good idea, it gets people like us who like firefox, and would secretly like to have their names in the code, to go out and really try to get other prople to use Firefox in a way that costs nothing for them (well, almost nothing). So everyone wins... I'm going to do it now.

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  4. not a person, but a company. by lanswitch · · Score: 5, Funny

    Add Microsoft. They make people switch to firefox.

    1. Re:not a person, but a company. by stunt_penguin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yea like burning ships make people switch to lifeboats.

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  5. self-fulfilling prophesy? by griffjon · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, we all know that as the user-base increases in size and diversifies, the code tends towards bloat, but really, do you have to make it a 1:1 ratio??

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    1. Re:self-fulfilling prophesy? by smokeslikeapoet · · Score: 4, Informative

      I assume that all the names would be inserted into the code as comments, meaning the names won't be compiled into the binary. I'm not a cvs master or anything but I assume you can exclude the directory that contains the names when you update your source locally.

  6. Wow, an explanation I've been waiting for so long. by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 5, Funny
    you'll both be immortalized in Firefox 2.0's source code
    This finally explains the recent bloat in Firefox. :-)
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  7. And what a fitting tribute by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because we know how many people will read through that to find your name... one... you! Anyhow, I think I'll refer tons of people just to get a really large font mention in the source, maybe I can get every other line even. Of course, I'd prefer to have all the variables named after me, carmen electra, and awesome. Awesome = me * carmen electra. That would be sweet!

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  8. Kids by Joebert · · Score: 5, Funny

    Amongst some of the names allready registered,

    1) Harry Sachs
    2) Hugh G Rection
    3) Ivana Tinkle

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  9. What's the point? by Bodero · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's the point? I'll probably just be commented out.

    1. Re:What's the point? by vrwarp · · Score: 5, Informative

      From the FAQ: How will our names be included in Firefox 2? If both you and your friend opt-in to have your names included, we'll add your names to an interactive Firefox friends display that will be accessible from within Firefox 2.

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    2. Re:What's the point? by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm starting to be afraid that PR is crushing what dare I say, used to be, a geek browser.

      Firefox 2.0 gives us, what:

      - Builtin spellchecking. Woohoo! I don't want that in Firefox. There is already an extension to do just exactly what this feature does. If someone wants spellchecking, go install the extension. - Firefox friends. I don't want this much evangelisation. I will most likely never look at the thousands of names listed. Why would I? I want a technological masterpiece not a PR one.

      This PR push makes my approval towards FF dwindle, what do you think an average people would say? "Geez, it's just a friggin browser...". Separate PR from the browser. That is why spreadfirefox.com, NY time ads and stuff like that aren't totally useless, but as soon as you touch the maximalist geek perfection idea of mine how a browser should be like, you lose the rubber stamp of geek approval.

      I want a secure, fast, technically elegant, standards supporting browser with a flexible extension system. That's it. Stop the bloat. Stop the PR. I don't even need extra special tabbing, just some basic one, if it doesn't suck ram like a madman.

      I know feature creep is tempting. It gives you a nice feeling that you've implemented something, etc. BUT IT LEADS TO BLOAT. I think inevitably the Netscape -> Mozilla -> Firefox cycle will start again soon. "Hey, let's create a new fast , slim browser and let's call it firebird!" What an innovative idea...

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  10. I can't help... by excelsior_gr · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...all the people that I know have already switched to Firefox. The people that refused to switch, I now pretend not to know.

  11. Waste of bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Lets say I download firefox 2 source to compile on my linux boxen. I am also forced to download kilobytes (megabytes?) of useless information embedded in comments. What is the point in this? I would like a dollar amount for what this campaign is costing in bandwidth and man hours. Would this be funds donated to the Mozilla Foundation in order for them to improve their browser? This wastage annoys me.

    Furthermore we now run the risk of "that fox-fire thing" being associated with unwanted, unsolicited email advertising.

    One step forward, two steps back.

    1. Re:Waste of bandwidth by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Funny

      I would like a dollar amount for what this campaign is costing in bandwidth and man hours.

      I would estimate that the amount of bandwidth/man hours wasted by this campaign will roughly equal the amount of bandwidth/man hours wasted by your post (and my reply :-)

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    2. Re:Waste of bandwidth by FooBarWidget · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Text can be easily compressed by 80-90% by bzip2. Suppose that there are 100.000 names in the code, and the average length of a name is 15 characters. Counting newlines and comment prefixes (in the form of " * [name here]"), the space taken will be 100000 * (15 + 4) = 1900000 bytes, or 1855 KB. If the file is compressed by 85% then it'll become 278 KB. In comparison, the current Firefox 2.0b1 source tar.bz2 is 32 MB. 278 KB is about 0.8% of that. Hardly significant comparing that you as a Slashdotter probably has a broadband connection.

      There are many things to worry about but worrying about wasting bandwidth on names is just rediculous.

      Besides, marketing is important! You as a geek may not realize it, but crappy products can be more popular than your oh-so-mighty technically correct ones if the former is marketed better than the latter. While you're screaming on forums about the technical superiority of product B, everybody else is using the 'inferior' product A and couldn't care less what you moan about.

  12. Ok so... by vivin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is just bragging rights... right? I guess at the very least you convince someone to switch to Firefox. I mean... so they put umptybillion names into Firefox Code, that would be accessible from Firefox 2? Isn't that unecessary (and frivolous) bloat? Unless they plan on having you access it online - which means I guess you won't be able to view it offline... hmm...

    And how do they verify that my "friend" has Firefox? I can just send off an invitation to some fake email I create and then accept it. Or send it someone that I know already uses firefox and wants their name on the list too... Seems like there's no real way to verify it.

    Then what happens when Firefox 3.0 comes along? Hmm? Do the names get carried over?

    I'll go try it anyways...

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    1. Re:Ok so... by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you go to the site it says you can access it from Firefox. If the names are comments, you won't be able to access it from code, because like you said, they won't be compiled. So they have to be part of the code.

      ummm - news flash - firefox is a web browser/b>. All they have to do is include a link on the toolbar to a web site, some AJAX, and there is your "interactive access from firefox".

  13. Do we need to encourage evangelism? by gihan_ripper · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Firefox has reached sufficient popularity and code maturity that it doesn't need to encourage evangelism. Sure, I use Firefox and I'd recommend it to most Explorer users, and I've already converted those close to me. However, I'm not going to go on a Firefox Crusade as that would stink of zealotry and probably hurt the cause. As other posters have said, Mozilla should put their efforts into bug fixes and usability issues. Yes, I know this isn't a zero-sum game, but we'd all be more likely to recommend Firefox if they could clear up the excessive memory usage 'feature' and the odd keyboard scrolling problem that took me ages to figure out.

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  14. Ah man... by nother_nix_hacker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...as if firefox wasn't already bloated enough! :D

  15. One thing that makes me uncomfortable... by alex_guy_CA · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One thing that makes me uncomfortable is being asked to proselytize. If someone wants FF, great. but it is not my job to convince them. I learned a meditation technique and was turned off when the class teachers asked to get my friends to do it. World FF day makes me feel the same way. People can make their own decisions.

  16. Re:Wow, an explanation I've been waiting for so lo by wtmcgee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How is that insightful?

    Funny perhaps, but not insightful.

    The names will be commented out, therefore will not be complied in any binary that sees the light of day.

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  17. parent is a troll by Eric+Coleman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have no idea how the parent post got modded as "interesting". Or perhaps since it's posted anonymously the person modded his or herself.

    This quote is funny because it's retarded: "I am also forced to download kilobytes (megabytes?) of useless information embedded in comments." News flash, this is slashdot. You download useless information embedded in comments every day. And this is one of them!

  18. NO Mention of source code by linuxci · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's no mention at all on the world Firefox day website that the names will be listed in the source. From what I can see this'll just be a link to a site that lists the names (probably accessible from the 'about' box). So there'll be no bloat to the source, not even as a comment.

    1. Re:NO Mention of source code by zlogic · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's the quote from http://www.worldfirefoxday.com/en/faq.php#q11

      "How will our names be included in Firefox 2?

      If both you and your friend opt-in to have your names included, we'll add your names to an interactive Firefox friends display that will be accessible from within Firefox 2."

      It says interactive so I guess there will be some XUL/AJAX hybrid that displays 10 names at a time, probably with a search function.

      On the other hand:

      "How do I see the names in Firefox 2?

      We're working on the details of this and will share this soon."

  19. Firefox does a good job marketing... by cyclocommuter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I gotta hand it to the Firefox team though... They do a good job marketing Firefox. In this day and age, it no longer is enough to have a superior product or have a better mousetrap especially if the competion has the desktop monopolized... every opportunity to spread the word helps.

  20. It's inexpensive marketing and it works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's called Marketing. They probably hired an individual or an agency with marketing experience. One ultimate goal of this type of marketing is to get people to use your product and/or "make the switch" over.

    Don't worry about the man-hours...this was not a hugely difficult thing to code, and if they didn't outsource it, the programmer involved might even have been glad to break away from his/her normal routine, and perhaps increase the popularity of the project.

    Don't worry about the "bloat"...we're talking about plain-text, and while it's potentially a lot, it isn't going to kill RAM usage, create incredible download sizes, or introduce more vulnerabilities into the Firefox suite.

    And don't worry about your name being in there, because if you think it's a dumb idea, you're not going to go over and fill it out, and you might even have told friends and family about it already via email (complete with a handy link to the Windows self-extracting installation binary).

    But for the world's non-nerdy Internet users, this might catch a few in the "net" (no pun intended). The target audience (of the IE persuasion) may take a "recommendation from a trusted computer-knowing friend" + the attractive-yet-gimmicky-to-nerds chance to be written into "source code" and say "why not, I'll try it!"

    There's good (switch to Firefox) and bad (marketing has your email) implications to this. But if you consider the minimal effort this will take to give it a try...this really isn't a bad idea folks.

  21. Testtify! by quakeroatz · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I want a secure, fast, technically elegant, standards supporting browser with a flexible extension system."

    Stand up, load and proud with the rest of your .0005% market segment and say:
    "I'm statistically irrelevant! Listen to meeeeeeeeeeeee!"

  22. Firefox uses more mem than IE because by jsharkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Remember how IE is tied directly into the Windows core? "iexplore.exe" says it's using 32MB, but remember that any memory used by SHDOCVW is being handily rolled into another process like "explorer.exe" or "System." Firefox doesn't live by those shady tactics, and shows you its actual memory usage all in one process.