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The Tech Support of the Crowds
professorhojo writes "News.com reports on an innovative new use for instant messaging, meant to connect up strangers who need tech support with experts in their field. From the article: 'In my experience, the best technical support on any product will come from somebody who actually uses and likes the product, not a paid support rep following a script ... If you can't wait for a response in a message board, you can try a new service, Qunu, which is trying to replicate the message board community spirit, but in real time. [It] connects you via instant message to an expert on the topic you need help with. We already know that crowds are wise. They're altruistic and they love to talk, too. Qunu harnesses that.'"
Liability/support (for the one seeking help) and compensation for the one helping?
If somebody gets some good advice, and later needs to build something on what was already done, won't he need to explain to however is now the selected expert at Qunu what his problem is/was, what the Qunu expert helped him achieve etc.. Basically this guy will have no client file/historical so that whoever comes in later can pick it up from there.
What happens if the next expert dissagrees with what the previous expert said to be done? The one seeking assistance will be confused as hell!
Also what happens when the advice received causes a problem downstream, who's gonna get the end-user out of his misery?
On the other side, experts don't mind helping out on forum boards, and I think that the thing that makes this cooperation possible is that there is no one-to-one relationship, experts won't be necessarily reading the board all the time nor will they need to answer something they don't like/want to answer. Also they choose when they wnat ot respond.
With IM you are dictacted what problem (within a given field I concede), who you answer to and you are compelled to answer (we all know it is impossible to resist talking to somebody on IM, whereas emaied responses can more easily be delayed).
The other problem is that you won't be using this while at work (not if you are honest with your employer), nor will you want to sit at home waiting for somebody to ring you; imagine this is like doing helpdesk support on the WE in your spare time, for zit, nada! ouch.
For all this added stress/difficulty, what does the expert get? Nothing besides gratitude as far as I can tell.
All in all I think that this is a bad idea for anything else than a casual "how do you remove red-eyes in Picasa", "or what do I need to open *.rar files".
Guys please tell me how this would appeal to anybody else than the ones seeking help.
Btw; Qunu sound exactly like "cul nu" in French which means bare-ass. Funny translation I know but makes me think that's what ones seeking help are in for if things go sour.
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www.NerdFriendFinder.com?
...if you'd like to be a Qunu expert and donate a support session or two, you can register using your Jabber-friendly IM client. There are a few easy ways into the system, depending on what client you have:
- Add quser@qunu.com to your roster, or
- Register with quser.alpha.qunu.com as a "service", or
- Add quser.alpha.qunu.com to your roster via a subscribe request
Request authorization from your new contact and it will start talking to you. You can talk to it, and tag yourself with your areas of expertise like this: "tags linux ubuntu gentoo cups kde". You'll then show up in Qunu results as an expert in those things. Any help requests will get routed straight thru to your IM client as an invitation you can accept or reject. Do unregister, simply unsubscribe from the Qunu contact.
Qunu linux support - think IM mashed with tagging and search.
thats absolutely nothing like what was going on in the Mac Yahoo!Chat rooms circa 1999.
My friend Tito tells me this is called 'IRC'. It's a quaint little service where people of all kinds of tech knowledge get together and 'chat' about things. If you're not a jerk, and you go to the right room, you can get on and ask about just about anything and get an answer.
I haven't used it personally. I can usually find more, and more precise information using Google, but it's helped Tito tremendously in the past when he was stuck on a systems issue.
I'm not sure labelling a chat 'tech support' will work any better, and I've a feeling it'll be worse. It'll draw the know-it-alls like flies, for instance. (These are people that have an answer for every question, whether or not they truly know what they are doing. Some do it for attention, some do it because they 'feel the need to return the help they got.' They're just a nuisance.)
"If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you." - DM
Will anyone do tech support for free? Sure, I might reply in irc channels and mailing lists, but not in Instant Messaging. The thing with irc and mailing lists is that there is a chance that other people will get the answer, and look at it, and learn. By using a closed, 1-to-1 protocol like IM, you offset this. I think it is better to let people write good documentation for a product, than to let others provide tech support.
Tech support is mostly called by idiots anyway, and I'd not manage to answer politely to stupid questions.
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I think that this is an opportunity for people to quickly get help for a specific problem, but it REALLY depends upon the quality of the people on the other end of the line. It seems to me like an attempt at replacing the multitude of IRC channels that are out there to support all the open source projects. Another factor is that none of the solutions will be archived, which means that a google won't turn up solutions, which is the first place almost everybody goes when looking for a solution.
"I'll accept IMs from anybody who needs help with issue XYZ."
"Hello, my name is Honeypot. I have issue XYZ, and I'm a hot, horny 21-year old blonde with big boobs. I'm just sooo grateful for your help. Click here to make a date with me so I can thank you properly!"
To err is human. To forgive is good system design.
I would have thought there's a certain reassurance in knowing there's a certain guaranteed level knowledge that the guys in tech support have, rather than risking a complete stranger who could completely break your [whatever]. Also, I've always used tech support as just a required precursor to them replacing it under warrenty, as generally if the problem is fixable, Google is the only tool you need...
Still, I can see why it would be an advantage, although strictly for software based problems. Hardware problems? I'm not so sure it's a good idea getting someone else to tell you how to fix a peice of delicate machinary/hardware over IM, myself...
Now, that's a stupid statement, even for someone in Marketing.
INDIVIDUALS are wise.
CROWDS are homicidal. Occasionally suicidal. But they are never 'wise.'
I've been thinking about putting together a similar service for quite a long time. I've got a mixed reaction seeing this service, as it's not quite what I was envisioning. A few thoughts:
Using a 'standard' IM client may not be the best way - trying to do too much with 'tags' and what not instead of a dedicated/custom interface may not provide enough of a useful interface for helpers. I may be wrong tho - using just jabber opens up a lot of possibilities, and has reduced their dev time.
NOT allowing helpseekers to use IM doesn't seem right. This was always a big part I'd got stuck on in mapping something like this out. If you want to make it dead easy, let anyone use MSN/AIM/YAHOO/etc to post their questions immediately. Roundrobin those questions to another IM 'helper' until someone 'takes' the question.
Reputation - this would really be key to helping people determine whether the quality of the person they are getting help from is worthwhile or not.
Value - what benefit do I as a helpseeker get? One benefit I foresaw was revenue sharing - the more questions you'd answer, the more credits you'd earn, which would directly translate in to profit sharing based on whatever ads were run on the 'answer' site. By collecting all these Q&A, and publishing them, the system would be able to grow organically, and tossing adsense or something in there would give everyone a way to share in some money (just rotate people's adsense code in the site - don't try to collect and parcel out money directly - too much work).
If the resulting Q&A database was 'open' in the sense of publishing under a GPL or similar license, this would be a great service. If people are donating all their free time to add to a closed database without the chance of being able to use it themselves for whatever purpose, this isn't such a great service.
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pfft!!
RTFM n00b!!
So, this is basically like your friendly open source IRC channel, for example as on freenode.net (or wherever your project of choice is located)? Talk about reinventing stuff...
Hello, I re-invented Usenet.
Ok, Usenet does not have 1on1 real time conversation. It does have the advantage that you have many people looking at your problem and often hand you several solutions. There is a downside, you have to read this page first.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Take Freenode - an IRC network dedicated to various sorts of community tech support (and, well, general community collaboration for sites like Wikipedia and such). A notable bias towards open-source projects and technologies, admittedly, but the same idea applies.
So what's Qunu got over IRC then? A fluffy little search-engine? :P
The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
connect up strangers who need tech support
I'd happily play tech support. However, a real boon would be a future to filter the requester of said support, based on certain characteristics.
Female *clicks radiobutton*
Blonde *checks box*
Age *selects barely legal*
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... that the majority of those requiring help don't even know what IRC is, never mind how to get onto it in order to ask a question.
Qunu, OTOH, can be deployed on an infinite amount of servers for an infinite amount of services, and the person requiring help doesn't have to know zip about the technology driving the thing. That's probably the biggest advantage of Qunu.
Plus, and watch this space, the method we've chosen opens up a whole new field of expert services that aren't 'free'. IRC can't do that.
Not only we can't avoid the n00b relatives mooching some free tech support, now we're going to have strangers doing the same? No thanks!
Circumcision is child abuse.
It's bad enough that a Windows can be vulnerable if not properly secure, but what if someone convinces a user of this service to open up their machine (any OS, mind you)?
And before you ask, no, I didn't RTFA. I'll go do that now and see what they say about those concerns ...
I talk about stuff.
"sarcastic elitist bullshit" constitutes about 95% of /.
Every Qunu session is a MUC (multi-user-chat) session to which others can be invited. /me wonders why so many people on here on /. believe we'd spend thousands of dollars and hours on a dumb-ass service that has no discerneable benefit. Please grant us a wee little more intelligence. ;-) Not only that, but perhaps open your mind a little more, because then you'll discover many a magic thing that you can do with Qunu that is to everybody's benefit. Don't look at it with reading glasses. Take off and watch it from a distance. That's when you'll see the bigger picture.
That said, the presence of a gift doesn't imply a worthy recipient. Some will never get it, many will.
I seem to remember a little thing called IRC. Real time. Somewhat-forum-like.
I've done tech support on IRC. We're a bunch of surly bastards. Comes from years of non-TFM-Reading cluebies who can't be bothered to run a google search logging into our channels and demanding that we drop everything to help them fix their problem RIGHT NOW. After a while you can't even be bothered to redirect them to fuckinggoogleit.com anymore and you just kick 'em. These days I log in every couple of months or so to say hi but I never really hang out that long. But yeah... best of luck with that free support thing...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
After all, everyone on the Internet is female, blonde and barely legal. Hell I'm female, blonde and barely legal, too. Well... except I have a penis. And am 36. I do have big man boobs though, if that helps at all. Which, interestingly enough, is the exact description of every person on the Internet who claims to be female, blonde and barely legal. Well... anyone on the Internet who claims to be female. It's not so much that the Internet is populated entirely by men (Although it is) but rather that anyone who would actually fit that description is usually pretending to be a 36 year old dude with big man boobs.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Qunu people should rethink the search semantics on the main page.
Currently it does an OR of all terms,
resulting in bad matches (people who sure are not able to help),
for users trying to specialize the search.
read "exploits".
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security - Ben Franklin
Um it's called EFNet...
I signed up to volunteer on Qunu a month or so ago, when I saw the service going alpha on Digg.
Qunu is an interesting concept, and I think slashdotters should go to the site and sign up to be experts.
I use a special jabber account on gaim that I created on the qunu server, that I only logon to when I am in the mood to volunteer my time. I created a profile that explains what I am willing to help with.
So far, I have helped an Ubuntu newbie trouble shoot an install problem and then fix his screen resolution and helped a Windows user encrypt some files. It was a good feeling to help out.
Note that the help interface does not require the user to have a jabber client, but only access to the web.
The problem with live tech support like this is that it is very draining on the volunteer expert. It is like a real job. Too much handholding is involved. I'd rather give tech support over email.
Although the idea seems nice - how about the loss to the greater community? If I have a specific problem with something and someone answers on a forum that answer is up on the internet for scores of other people to find.
Combining this with your every day support forum in some way, say logs are posted or a summary is written by one of the sides, makes sure that the knoweledge isn't lost and can be used by others later on. Because what happens if this expert was the only one with the right answer and he isn't around?
That place looks like a prime target for those of the trolling variety. Desperate people seeking instant help are people who would more likely than not fall victim to downloading a 'patch' from people with either mischievous or malicious reasons.
A libertarian shat on my carpet once. Claimed the free market would sort it out. -Ford Prefect(8777)
No help desk or support site would be complete without a showing of the classic Internet Help Desk to all employees/volunteers.
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Someone has finally invented IRC.
It's rare that you're presented with a knob whose only two positions are Make History and Flee Your Glorious Destiny.
Quite annoying, really.
I'm sure I'm not alone in having called various 'support' numbers over the years and discovering that the caller knows far more about the subject than the call centre staff. Furthermore, basic troubleshooting skills are usually lacking, and simple thought processes seem to be a mountain to tall to climb for many of them.
p.s. It'd also be nice if it would render in Safari.
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Yeah, this looks like redundant now, but if the /. database hadn't been hosed that very moment I was going to post this, it would have been about third post. Bleh.
You might have a different view of the Internet if you could bring yourself to use MySpace. I can't decide, though -- is it more disgusting to use MySpace or to be talking to female, blond, barely legal 36-year-old men?
I'm gonna have to go with MySpace. As the more disgusting one. Yeah, MySpace really is that disgusting.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
Anyone willing to provide free tech support for any length of time is unlikely to have any real-world experience at doing so. Or they're a masochist.
As the guy who has gleefully--but more to the point, fairly--moderated you into the toilet over the last several months let me assure you of several things:
/.(other than as an occasional user) and your vitriol towards the site amuses me. A lot.
1) I am not affiliated with
2) Your frustration at it all warms my heart like a cozy blanket in front of a winter fire.