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Internet Gambling CEO Arrested by FBI

tightpoker writes to mention the news that several key individuals associated with online gambling site BetonSports have been indicted in a Missouri courtroom. Founder Stephen Kaplan, CEO David Carruthers, 9 other people and four corporations have been charged with crimes ranging from racketeering to fraud. The Sunday Time reports on the story as well, addressing fears this may be a prelude to a crackdown on all online gambling by U.S. law enforcement. From the article: "Nigel Parson, leisure analyst at Williams de Broë, said the move would 'throw online gambling stocks into a spin,' adding: 'David Carruthers is a prominent advocate of online gambling. The fear that this is an escalation of the anti-lobby will trouble markets.' Greg Harris, an analyst at Cannacord, said: 'It is too early to say if this is part of a broader strategy on prevention of internet gambling in the U.S. or if it is the Department of Justice flexing their muscles and trying to influence legislation.'"

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  1. It's only a matter of time by vijayiyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    internet gambling does not allow the government to take their cut and is therefore in direct competition with them. Expect many more such crackdowns soon.

    1. Re:It's only a matter of time by Jtheletter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If by values voters you mean Indian casinos contributing to campaign coffers. It's interesting to note that many of the reps against online gambling seem to have no problem at all supporting local tribal casinos. It's all about who's greasing palms and playing nice with the government (ala taxes).

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    2. Re:It's only a matter of time by gowen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True, but "Voted least crazy religion" is not a great selling point on your advertising literature.

      They'd be better off sticking with the tried and true "Sole chance of avoiding everlasting damnation", or failing that, "We allow up to 7 wives".

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    3. Re:It's only a matter of time by Usagi_yo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The U.S just arrested a CEO of a foreign Corporation for doing internet business that was contrary to U.S law. Next time we complain about Google or Yahoo bending over backwards to adhere to Chinese law, we should take into account our own policies.

    4. Re:It's only a matter of time by TubeSteak · · Score: 1, Insightful
      The U.S just arrested a CEO of a foreign Corporation for doing internet business that was contrary to U.S law.
      The guy was still a U.S. citizen, had been arrested in 1980something & currently had an arrest warrant out on him.
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    5. Re:It's only a matter of time by rainman_bc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's ultimately unfair, but mostly unavoidable if you care at all about people with poor self control (gamblers and other addicts). Social problems never have easy solutions.

      Under that premise, we should outlaw:

      Buffets -> ever seen the size of the fat bastards at a Buffet? Those poor fat bastards are doomed if they continue to eat at that rate.
      Candy -> sure it's okay once in a while, but causes tooth decay
      Alcohol -> it's the scourge of society - too much alcoholism
      Casino Gambling -> wtf is the difference between gambling online and gambling in a casino? Only difference I see is the greedy govt doesn't get a cut. Tough shit for them for not legalizing internet gambling IMO.
      Sex -> too many pervs out there that can't control themselves. We should sterlize everyone.

      I realize that I'm drawing a slippery slope, but I'm just doing it to prove a point. Truth is, some people just can't control themselves with anything, and we shouldn't outlaw choice. /me works for an internet gambling company in a round about way.

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  2. Of course they lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The government gets a healthy cut from the earnings in Las Vegas and Atlantic City. Politicians get hefty contributions due to the earnings from Native American casinos. And lotteries like Powerball are the government's own game.

    So it's no wonder that online gambling sites lose, and will continue to lose in court. You've got to pony up to the bosses if you want to work in this town. (Preferably, both Democrats and Republicans.)

  3. Amazing by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What part of "bread and circuses" does this latest incarnation of fuedalism not understand?

  4. YRO by LunaticTippy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I see it like this: Some people think they should have the right to gamble online. Other people think they shouldn't. Other people yet might think gambling online should be legal, but taxed and regulated.

    Right now, there is no such thing as legal online gambling in the US. Because of that, all online gambling businesses are breaking the law. This particular case might be cut and dry, but the larger issue of our rights online can still be debated.

    I think gambling is a tax on people who are bad at math, and should be 100% legal.

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    1. Re:YRO by Zzesers92 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right now, there is no such thing as legal online gambling in the US. Because of that, all online gambling businesses are breaking the law.

      wait one minute there.... the absence of a law legalizing online gambling does not, in fact, make the activity illegal. There's no law legalizing mowing your yard (oh God, at least I hope there's not!), but it is legal to do so. IMO, gambling is something should remain regulated at the state level regardless.

      On the other hand, I'm not a lawyer. Maybe the Federal government has a law criminalizing online gambling. But it seems like these guys are (like most of the "gambling bad guys" from yesteryear) getting hit with TAX law. That doesn't make online gambling illegal, the Feds have just make it impossible to run an online casino AND pay federal wager taxes on the income. Who's the real crook? Note they're dragging years of non-online gambling into this story as well, trying to make a case against online gambling by throwing traditional bookmaking in the mix.

      For me, if they get these guys for not paying US wager taxes on gambling wages placed by US citizens, then any online retailer who only collects Sales Tax for the state their entity exists in should be charged with racketeering too.

    2. Re:YRO by pete6677 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The purpose of YRO is to post sensational stories that get a reaction out of the Slashdot tin-foil-hat crowd. When Slashbots gather by the thousands to post comments and trolls, OSDN gets more ad revenue. Following the money trail should adequately explain the purpose of YRO.

  5. "Harm legitimate business"? by dbc001 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Misuse of the Internet to violate the law can ultimately only serve to harm legitimate businesses."

    I don't see how Internet Gambling could harm legitimate business...

    1. Re:"Harm legitimate business"? by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      David Carruthers is a U.S. citizen.

      He used to be a New York bookie, until he got arrested for something or other gambling related and decided to leave the country.

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  6. They're terrorists I tell you! by Chasqui · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ok, so the US is fighting a couple of wars, holding people indefinitely in GITMO, probably being sucked into another conflict in the middle-east, etc. and THIS is what we spend our time on?
    Gambling?
    Something is afoot. Methinks it is time to re-enlicit support from the conservative base... elections are around the corner. And we all know that these rich 'moblike' online casino owners are probably funding terrorism, right? Its the perfect issue. You have the 'moral high-ground' and a non-US resident at which to finger-point! Wow. You have to hand it to the Republican party. Machiavelli could have learned a trick or two.

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  7. Re:Stupid Logic by badfish99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So was repealing prohibition a bad idea because everone still goes to speakeasies and drinks hooch? Or are you perhaps mistaken?

  8. Re:Why was he in the US? by BobTheLawyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You are most certainly on US soil if you're at a US airport getting connecting flights. You may be thinking of embassies.

  9. Re:Stupid Logic by jandrese · · Score: 2, Insightful

    By that logic, who would pay taxes for _anything_ since it should be easy as pie to sell Twinkies, screwdrivers, or anything else under the table? Also, why would a seller risk his neck avoiding some 5 or 10% tax (that his customers are paying)? If it were legalized the illicit production would mostly dry up because it's much much easier to operate inside of the law than out. Given the choice, I doubt few dealers would choose a life in the worst part of town hounded by the police and thrown in jail every so often. Even the cushy suburban dealers would be estatic not to have to deal with Central American paramilitary cartels as their primary supplier. The concept that legalizing drugs will increase illegal production seems highly counterintuitive to me.

    Not to mention that the government will have a much easier time tracking users and abusers if they don't feel that they have to hide from the cops.

    On the other hand, I'm rather libertarian about what people do with their lives. As long as it doesn't harm other people, I don't think it should be illegal. I do think lots of stuff should be regulated however, to prevent people from becoming a completely unproductive junkie, but I don't think making the activity illegal is the proper answer. In other words, I don't want anybody stepping in until it's clear that what they're doing is interfering with their life in a substantal way.

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  10. missing the point? by dm0527 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A lot of the comments revolve around the obligatory "here goes the government again" comments.

    Perhaps I'm a bit naive, but it seems obvious to me that jumping on some website hosted in some third-world country and giving them my credit card so I can play poker through some system controlled by the website against God-knows-who just seems like an invitation to get ripped off.

    I'm just not surprised in the least bit to hear some online gambling site shut down or involved parties being arrested for fraud or whatever. Frankly, I'm surprised it's taken this long for some government somewhere to actually look at these sites and realize that there is no way at all to stop the owners thereof from ripping off customers coming and going (aside from the massive amounts of money they make simply from the actual gambling itself).

    I've got one of the smallest lists of "things I love that our government has its fingers in", but you should also realize that along with the money the government collects around legalized gambling in the US, they also regulate it massivly and crack down fast and hard on places that are ripping people off (above the fact that gambling itself is a ripoff).

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    1. Re:missing the point? by Brickwall · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why do you assume these people are guilty of credit card or other fraud? They have been in operation for a number of years; if there were significant complaints about them, the credit card companies would stop honouring their charges. And the gamblers, who are not as significantly stupid as you assume, would avoid the site in droves. The New Yorker had an article some time ago about on-line poker sites. They put a lot of software effort into tracking betting patterns, to ensure that two or three players at one table are not colluding to rip off the other players. Why do they do this? Because they're aware that if their customers perceived the games as rigged, they wouldn't come back. Their own self-interest keeps them honest.

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    2. Re:missing the point? by sahala · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The machines in the US are heavily regulated and while they are "settable" for payout there is considerable oversight as to how they are set. Why would you assume you are getting a fair shake on games like that?

      I'm a little confused. Those games ARE already rigged. Casino players playing player-vs-house table games and slot machines are always getting the worse odds. Those games are clearly and openly in favor of the house, whether it's a 1% edge or 48% (and there are games with that high of a house edge). Why would you assume that players are getting a fair shake in these games anywhere, whether in brick-and-mortar or online? People clearly play these games for the thrill and entertainment value, not for purposes of making money, so they should be allowed to dispense of their income in any way that they choose.

      Poker is a little different -- although from observation it appears that most people would stand a better chance playing slots than to sit down at table full of skilled players.

  11. Re:This is NOT a gambling case by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't believe this post has an "informative" rating. Of course the places pay out. If they didn't, it would be all over the entarwebs. There's no way an online gaming site could weather the storm of negative publicity that would arise from failure to pay out. Just ask Dutch Boyd http://www.pokertips.org/history/online-poker.php/ .

    As for taxes on US operations...um...What US operations? Costa Rica is not in the US. Gibralter is not in the US. Antigua is not in the US.

    The porn industry can get required permits because the required permits exist. Online gaming companies can't request a permit that doesn't exist. What kind of nonsense is that?

    The fact is the US government wants to get a cut of any transaction of any kind that takes place anywhere in the world. There's no way that can happen with transactions that take place across international boundaries. So they'll just grab the people in charge under whatever pretext they can, hold them by the ankles, and shake them until the money stops falling out.

  12. Here's The Truth by Chagatai · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The real reason they were arrested was because Uncle Sam was unable to tax them. Think about it. Americans are spending $4.5 billion per year towards online gambling sites like these that are located overseas. The government would like a slice of that pie, but they are unable to tax that revenue because the foreign companies don't fall under the jurisdiction of the IRS. Consequently, Congress brings up a whole bunch of warnings and laws about being unable to gamble online. And what better way to cut it off than to arrest CEOs who step foot on American soil?

    Control. That's what it's all about.

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  13. Re:Oy ve... by HiVizDiver · · Score: 2, Insightful
    1. So internet gambling is illegal in the USA, great, so that no effect on this guy's company that's based in Costa Rica, and incorporated in England.

    What worries me about this, is that it could be the first steps towards the government regulating and controlling content on what has been, up to this point, a relatively free and open Internet here in the United States.
  14. Hmmm by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Interesting details on his arrest:
    * NO bail
    * feds are seeking over $4 billion in unpaid taxes
    * Carruthers was targeted as part of a larger investigation
    * Carruthers was held incommunicado until appearing at trial
    * FULL TEXT of the fed press release announcing the indictment details

    The news from the past few days made it seem like they were just leaning on Carruthers to help with the Kaplan investigation. But some of this stuff is very broad... "equipment used to place bets" is probably just a server. Sounds like he will be away for quite a while.