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Pharaoh's Gem Brighter Than a Thousand Suns

Tamas Feher from Hungary writes "An Italian archaeologist accidentally found that the central gem in Tutankhamun's regal necklace is not amber, but a mere piece of yellow glass. Kinda cheap for the famous Egyptian pharaoh, best known for his splendid golden mask. Except that piece of glass is much older than civilization. Where did it come from, StarGate? Kind of. Scientists now think a meteorite much larger than the Tunguska event fell from the sky and exploded over the Sahara in prehistoric times. The tremendous heat of the 1000 A-bomb sized fireball melted large chunks of desert sand into perfect glass. The memory of such an apocalyptic event may have made sand-glass gems a desirable symbol, meant to emphasize the pharaoh's heavenly powers."

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  1. "accidentally found"? by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 4, Funny

    That suggests to me he dropped and broke it. :)

    1. Re:"accidentally found"? by takeya · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or maybe he was testing what value it would have on the street so he could steal it and pawn it!

      Let the accusations fly!

    2. Re:"accidentally found"? by Fordiman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hmm.

      Ok, so glass was priceless until we figured out how to make it.

      Why isn't diamond cheap yet?

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    3. Re:"accidentally found"? by Gryphn · · Score: 2, Informative

      Can you say "cartel"?

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    4. Re:"accidentally found"? by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative
      Why isn't diamond cheap yet?
      Diamonds are cheap... for anything besides jewelry. And that's mostly oligopoly pricing + labor costs (it's expensive to mine diamonds & pay professionals to cut diamonds by hand).

      Industrial quality (mined) diamonds are cheap as shiat & are actually outnumbered by synthetic diamonds (around since the 1950's but not mass produced till later).

      Until recently, nobody had a viable way of creating gem quality 'synthetic' diamonds. There are currently three companies that can do this & their diamonds are vastly cheaper than mined diamonds.

      The various diamond importers don't care so much about the synthetic industrial grade diamonds, because those types of stones were too small/imperfect to be used for gems anyways. However, they are shitting bricks over man-made gem quality stones because the 'fakes' are cheaper to produce and are literally perfect.

      So, in summary: The price of gem quality diamonds will be coming down, no matter what the big mining cartels have to say about it.
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    5. Re:"accidentally found"? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My wife wears one of those man-made gem-quality diamonds. She says she was never comfortable with really expensive jewelry, and said she'd rather us take a nice vacation or buy a car instead of me buying her a diamond, so that's what we did. The gem she wears really is perfect, and a jeweler friend of ours said it was "magnificent". I won't shed any tears for the diamond industry, bloody monsters that they are, nor for the diamond merchants who in the 20th century somehow convinced everyone that diamond rings were required to demonstrate love. Let them find honest income.

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    6. Re:"accidentally found"? by kalel666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sorry to go offtopic, but where did you buy your synthetic diamond?

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    7. Re:"accidentally found"? by smellsofbikes · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was going to talk about how the top of the Washington Monument was made of aluminum because at the time it was nearly as valuable as gold, but it turns out that that's somewhat of an urban myth. Here's a really interesting article about the Monument and the lightning-suppression system they designed for it.

      In any case, the price of aluminum and titanium (and for that matter, beryllium, lithium, and other exotic metals) has plummetted as better production systems have come into use.

      I've read several essays discussing t-shirts, and how their design echoes manufacturing costs. When the price of a quality t-shirt is maybe double the price of a cheap one, the only way to distinguish a DKNY or Old Navy t-shirt from a cheap Hanes shirt you buy at WalMart is the (copyrighted) image on the front. You're not buying the shirt, you're buying something that bears a copyright which is known to be expensive. So also with diamonds. Wired had an interesting article about synth diamond production a couple of years ago, proposing two to four orders of magnitude cheaper diamonds for fine jewelry usage (meaning: can't be detected as synth by any known tests.) I'd love to have some diamond lenses for some of my projects, so I'm happy with these developments.

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    8. Re:"accidentally found"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They're available at a slight discount from "natural" diamonds, usually. Despite the fact that the pricing should be about 10:1, they know that it's in their best interest to keep prices as high as possible... just cheap enough to be a "bargain" compared to natural diamonds, but still overpriced enough to make the manufacturers a shit-ton of money.

    9. Re:"accidentally found"? by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Informative

      1a. http://gemesis.com/wheretobuy/usa.htm
      1b. http://gemesis.com/wheretobuy/europe.htm1
      1c. http://gemesis.com/wheretobuy/asia.htm

      2. http://chatham.com/ (they sell from their website)

      Honorable Mention: http://www.apollodiamond.com/
      They will have a webstore "in 2006", but will take "special requests" in the meantime.

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  2. Lightning? by kninja · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Doesn't lightning strike the desert? I know it doesn't rain that often in the Sahara, but still, I find that at least as plausible as a huge meteorite.

    1. Re:Lightning? by Valthan · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm sure there has been lightning strikes, but this glass was formed over an enormous area of land, and a lightning strike wouldn't make glass of this magnitude in depth and area, it would have to be something that would be much hotter and a hell of a lot bigger than lightning.

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  3. But you know... by p0tat03 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looks like Naquadah to me...

    1. Re:But you know... by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 4, Funny

      or Naquadria :). I bet it was Nihrti's doing

    2. Re:But you know... by Brother+Seamus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Link for the clueless (like me).

  4. weird logic in summary by wwest4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the explosion happened "before civilization" then it might be hard for there to be any memory of the "apocalyptic event" that created the glass. We're talking 800,000 years here... even before the advent of oral legend (Mmmmmmm.... oral legend).

    1. Re:weird logic in summary by AndersOSU · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The event in SE asia was 800,000 years ago, presumably the even in Egypt was more recent.

      As you implied, before civilization doesn't necessarily mean that an apocolyptic event would not be repeated and mythologized for centuries.

    2. Re:weird logic in summary by sirinek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Tens of thousands of years of sandstorms probably ground the "glass" back down into sand.

  5. Volcanoes by Tx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just thinking of possible alternate sources of prehistoric yellow glass, I know volcanic glass is usually black (obsidian), but surely there are some situations in which molten lava melts sand of various compositions that happen to be in its path, and therefore could conceivably result in other colors of glass? And I know there are no volcanoes in Egypt, but it could have been brought from elsewhere, the Egyptians were known to do a bit of trading now and again. Since they don't actually seem to have any actual evidence for the meteorite theory, it seems just as plausible.

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    1. Re:Volcanoes by DuChamp+Fitz · · Score: 5, Funny

      Clearly you're ignoring the obvious source. Pterydactls with frickin' laser beams attached to their beaks.

    2. Re:Volcanoes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you suggesting Pterydactls migrate?

    3. Re:Volcanoes by Government+Drone · · Score: 5, Funny

      Depends; are they African or European pterodactyls?

  6. Or.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The actual gem was replaced with a piece of yellow glass by grave robbers who did a very good job of concealing their tracks.

    1. Re:Or.. by hey! · · Score: 4, Informative

      Graverobbers did indeed conceal their tracks -- to hide caches of treasure from competitors.

      Inside the tombs, they didn't waste time. They smashed open sarcophogi and ripped mummies apart looking for jewels and amulets. Anybody visiting subsequently would have found the fact of the robbery clear enough -- by the absence of any scrap of economic value.

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    2. Re:Or.. by hey! · · Score: 2, Funny

      Personally I would want to keep a sarcophagus for myself.

      Well, I suppose it's never to early to plan for eternity.

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    3. Re:Or.. by Don_dumb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But they decided to keep the rest of the tomb with all its gold and other valuble items, completely untouched.

      I applaud you for thinking of plausible alternatives, but I just dont think grave robbers would find a tomb and then only take one item. Or bother to conceal their tracks.

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  7. The value of gems by YetAnotherBob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    is in thier rarety. Glass was a gemstone before it could be made in quantity. This necklace may be OLD. Glass, Diamond, Sapphire, Ruby, it's all the same. The jewlery industry is trying very hard right now to find some way to discount the value of man made stones, or we may soon see the value of all gems erode as the value of glass did once.

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  8. wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't you mean the FAARGATE!?!??

    We don't vant to get sued. Just be sure it has a mohawk and a wheelchair.

  9. Homework for editor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    From the Slashdot summary:

    that piece of glass is much older than civilization

    From TFA:

    intriguingly it is older than the earliest Egyptian civilisation

    Compare and contrast.
  10. Asimov (and Hollywood) got it wrong by jamie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The other day I was skimming through a book I very much enjoyed as a boy: Asimov on Astronomy.

    Chapter 2 is about asteroids and comets that may impact the Earth, and how much damage they would do. He concludes with:

    In the future, perhaps, things may be different. The men in the space stations that will eventually be set up about the Earth may find themselves, among other things, on the watch for the Earth-grazers, something like the iceberg watch conducted in northern waters since the sinking of the Titanic (but much more difficult of course).

    The rocks, boulders, and mountains of space may be painstakingly tagged and numbered. Their changing orbits may be kept under steady watch. Then, a hundred years from now, perhaps, or a thousand, some computer on such a station will sound the alarm: "Collision orbit!"

    Then a counterattack, kept in waiting for all that time would be set in motion. The dangerous rock would be met with an H-bomb (or, by that time, something more appropriate) designer to trigger off on collision. The rock would glow and vaporize and change from a boulder to a conglomeration of pebbles.

    Even if they continued on course, the threat would be lifted. Earth would merely be treated to a spectacular (and harmless) shower of shooting stars.

    Asimov was writing in 1966 but still should have known better. The kinetic energy of a shattered object is the same as the intact object. The only difference is that the energy will all be shed in the atmosphere instead of mostly in the lithosphere. Human suffering might be ameliorated somewhat but unless the trajectory of the pebbles is changed, the atmosphere is still getting superheated with disasterous local, and possibly global, effects. If you're standing under the shooting-star display, then like any nearby sand, you're getting cooked.

    Yes, this ruined the ending of Deep Impact for me. Yes, I'm a geek.

    1. Re:Asimov (and Hollywood) got it wrong by stg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just a slight detail - the book he mentioned isn't science fiction, it's just science. Asimov did a lot of non-fiction, too.

    2. Re:Asimov (and Hollywood) got it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the point Asimov, and others, were getting to - local "superheating" of the atmosphere, while certainly uncomfortable, is far less likely to bring on particulate/nuclear winter, wildfires, destruction of infrastructure, Tsunami, etc. than a lithosphere impact - because it's happening locl to the ionosphere. "Disastrous" is relative - presuming some of it reaches the ground, is it the end of higher life in an area the size of New England - or is it the end of human civilisation globally period? Beyond that, spreading the impact energy over a large area/volume/time prevents it from punching through the atmosphere and delivering all that potential (and actual) kinetic and thermal energy to the lithosphere - which is, again, the point. Or lack thereof.

    3. Re:Asimov (and Hollywood) got it wrong by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      While it is true that the kinetic energy of the components of a shattered object will be the same as the inital whole object there are several things you have neglected.
      1. Because the resulting pieces will be of varying size and shape, some will be below the size to successfully reach the surface before burning up.
      2. Not all the resulting component pieces will have the same tragectory, thus
        1. some pieces will miss the target
        2. the kinetic energy will be spread out over a larger area.
      3. Because the resulting pieces will be smaller and spread over a larger area, the resulting damage will be less pronounced. Think of the damage caused by getting a large tattoo. If those thousands of small pin pricks were converted into a single strike the damage would be much greater. Which would create more damage to you: three handfulls of pebbles dropped on your head, or a single rock of equivelent mass of those same three handfulls?

      Not to mention that in your own post you show that Asmiov states "or, by that time, something more appropriate". This indicates to me that the best tool available at the time was a nuke and Asimov understood that it may not be the best tool but was the only one available and that in the future there may be better tools.
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    4. Re:Asimov (and Hollywood) got it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, assuming that the energy is evenly distributed throughout the atmosphere* and that no part of the body impacts the earth directly, even a 10 million megaton impact would only increase the temperature of the atmosphere by a little less than 8 Kelvin by my figures. That would be bad, but the time to dissapeate that extra energy is not long in the grand scheme of things, and doesn't make anyplace on the surface much less livable than it is right now.

      *I realize that during the impact the energy would not be evenly distributed, and that there would be places that got much hotter for short periods of time (there's a good chance these places would be the ocean though). My point is that even huge amounts of kenetic energy only translate to a few degrees difference on a global scale, and that an atmospheric impact is therefore greatly desirable in comparison to an impact with land or water.

    5. Re:Asimov (and Hollywood) got it wrong by Gulthek · · Score: 2, Informative

      In fact, Asimov has a book in each of the Dewey Decimal System classifications.

    6. Re:Asimov (and Hollywood) got it wrong by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Informative
      While it is true that the kinetic energy of the components of a shattered object will be the same as the inital whole object there are several things you have neglected.

      There are several *huge* things you have neglected. (or alternatively; you've posted what seems to be the 'common sense' version. However, as often happens in science, 'common sense' is wrong.)
       
       
      1. Because the resulting pieces will be of varying size and shape, some will be below the size to successfully reach the surface before burning up.

      They'll still dump large amounts of energy and dust into the Earth's atmosphere. That's the *real* cause of the damage from an asteroid impact - the crater and tsunami's are just eye candy.
       
       
      2.Not all the resulting component pieces will have the same tragectory, thus
      1. some pieces will miss the target
      2. the kinetic energy will be spread out over a larger area.

      I invite you to compare the damage done to a human body that is hit by a) a .45 and b) a shotgun blast. The difference between the two is spectacular visually - but the end result is the same.
       
       
      3. Because the resulting pieces will be smaller and spread over a larger area, the resulting damage will be less pronounced. Think of the damage caused by getting a large tattoo. If those thousands of small pin pricks were converted into a single strike the damage would be much greater. Which would create more damage to you: three handfulls of pebbles dropped on your head, or a single rock of equivelent mass of those same three handfulls?

      That's the real trick - we aren't comparing a handful of pebbles to one rock. We are comparing a .45 to the chest to a OO buckshot shotgun blast to the chest. The kinetic energy of the two is (roughly) on the same order - and despite the visual differences in damage, both are going to leave you in a deep world of hurt.
    7. Re:Asimov (and Hollywood) got it wrong by jamie · · Score: 2, Informative

      Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy: SPOILERS: Review: Deep Impact

      Bad: Minutes before final impact, the astronauts blow up the second comet, and we are treated to a spectacular light show.

      Good: Aaaaarrgg! This was the Biggest Baddest Astronomy in the movie. Blowing up a comet does no good at all, and might even make matters worse. Just because the pieces are smaller doesn't mean you have changed anything. If every piece still impacts the Earth (by that I mean actually is stopped by the Earth or its atmosphere) you are still dumping all the kinetic energy of The Comet into the Earth's atmosphere! That's a HUGE amount of energy, dumped in practically all at once. It would still create a massive explosion, dwarfing all of our nuclear bombs combined. Even if you could somehow soften the blow, all that heat would wreak havoc with our weather. Some people actually think it might be better to simply let a big one hit rather than blow it up, because the Earth itself can absorb the energy of impact better than the atmosphere can. This is still argued, though. I'd prefer not to try any experiments!

    8. Re:Asimov (and Hollywood) got it wrong by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ok, time to burst your little ego bubble. It looks to me like you are using a false analogy, mostly because you are a dumbass.

      A 12ga 00 buckshot round is made up of the equivalent of 9 54 grain .33 caliber rounds. That would make a single 12ga 00 buckshot round about the equivalent of 6 .45 ACP rounds in mass. The kinetic energy of a .45 round is about 340 ft-lbs. For 9 pellet 12 ga 00 buckshot it is about 1,810 ft-lbs. Not a fair comparison. We can however compare a 450 grain SABOT round for a 12ga shotgun. (9 * 54 = 486 giving the buckshot round more mass)

      Now, let's talk range. 9 pellet 00 buckshot at 50 yards averages 3 hits. The same round at 75 yards averages 1 hit. At 100 yards, the pellet arrives with a velocity of about 780 ft/sec. As you can see, shotgun pellets diverge upon leaving the gun. So would the pieces of a possible impactor. The would diverge in a cone shaped pattern. Said spread could be enhanced by using a second nuke. The single 450 grain sabot will the target and it will do so with about 1050 ft/sec.

      Now, let's talk about penetration power. A single large object has more penetrating power than multiple smaller objects. Interestingly, the results of comparison testing at 7 yards:

      round | Ballistic Gel | SAE 1010 .138" steel plate

      Buckshot | 13-15 inches | no penetration
      450 slug | 21 inches | penetration

      Looks like multiple smaller impactors do less damage than a single massive impactor.

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    9. Re:Asimov (and Hollywood) got it wrong by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Take the mass of a big meteor, take its approach speed, figure the kinetic energy. If it's big enough to cause catastrophic effects if it stays in one piece and impacts the surface, it's big enough to cause catastrophic effects if you pulverize the entire thing down to dust and let it burn up as it enters the atmosphere.


      Prove this. I expect it should be difficult because much more meteor dust rains down in a single day than most would believe.

      A single big impactor "wastes" a lot of energy throwing chunks of the lithosphere out into escape trajectories.

      So do smaller impactors.

      See the comparison of buckshot to slugs in the other reply.
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    10. Re:Asimov (and Hollywood) got it wrong by Deadstick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nearly everybody is missing the point. Blow the object into smithereens, and every smithereen acquires its own vector increment of velocity. The farther away it is at the time of the detonation, the farther those increments take the pieces away from the original trajectory. So it was headed for Chicago? OK, some of the pieces will hit there. Some will hit Lake Michigan. Some will hit Caracas. And quite a few will miss the planet altogether.

      The answer to your pellets-vs-slug question? At ten feet, it doesn't matter. At a hundred yards, you damn well bet I'd take the pellets.

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  11. Re:Not 800,000 years by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Informative
    From Wikipedia:

    The color of "natural glass" is green to bluish green. This colour is caused by naturally occurring iron impurities in the sand. Common glass today usually has a slight green or blue tint, arising from these same impurities. Glassmakers learned to make coloured glass by adding metallic compounds and mineral oxides to produce brilliant hues of red, green, and blue - the colours of gemstones. When gem-cutters learned to cut glass, they found clear glass was an excellent refractor of light. The earliest known beads from Egypt were made during the New Kingdom, about 1500 BC and came in a variety of colours. They were made by winding molten glass around a metal bar and were highly prized as a trading commodity, especially blue ones because they were reported to have magical powers.

    The Egyptians also made small jars and bottles using the core-formed method. Glass threads were wound around a bag of sand tied to a rod and the glass was continually reheated to fuse the threads together. The glass had to be kept in motion until the required shape and thickness was achieved. The final step was to allow the rod to cool then to puncture the bag and remove the rod. The Egyptians also formed the first coloured glass rods which they used to create colourful beads and decorations, they also worked with cast glass. [2]. By the 5th century BCE this technology had spread to at least Greece. In the first century BC there were many glass centres located around the Mediterranean and at the eastern end of the Mediterranean glass blowing, both free-blowing and mould-blowing, was discovered.


    Considering that the Egyptians were one of the first civilizations to master glassworks, it seems somewhat unlikely that the Pharaoh's prized gem would be mere glass. Unless, that is, there were other legends or sources of value attributed to the gem. Given the unusual color of the glass (for the period), it seems quite reasonable that it being formed by "the light of a thousand suns" was the source of its value.
  12. I *prefer* man-made gems by HighOrbit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When you go to the jewlrey story, you'll find that the prettiest gems with the deepest color are the man-made gems. The natural gems look faded and washed-out in contrast to the "laboratory" made versions. The man-made emeralds are the deepest green, the man-made rubies are the deepest red, and man-made saphires are the brightest blue.

    For some people the value might be in the scarcity of the natural gems, but for me the value is in the aesthetic decorative value of gem (with the lab gems being usually of better color).

  13. impact crater anyone? by Intangion · · Score: 5, Interesting

    i wonder if they are aware of this HUUUUGE 19 mile wide impact crator nearby ;)

    http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060303_big_c rater.html

    i mean this crater is sooo damn big that it wasnt even noticed till it was seen by satalites

    theres on in europe like that too
    its sooooo damn huge, an entire town is built in it, and an entire cathedral was built using a special rock that only forms from extreeeme compression and no one even knew it was a crater until some scientists realized the cathedral was built from that rock

    when they are tooo big its hard to notice

    like when you capture a lizard and it escapes and crawls onto the back of your arm, and thinks its safe cause it cant see your face ;)

    your so big compared to him that it doesnt even realize its still on you ;)

    1. Re:impact crater anyone? by Zan+Zu+from+Eridu · · Score: 4, Informative

      The european crater you referred to is probably the Nördlinger Ries in Germany. Gene Shoemaker was on holiday in Nördlingen with his wife, when they discovered the stones used to build the local St. George Cathedral contained suevite and came up with the impact crater hypothesis. In 1961 he and Edward Chao proved it was actually an impact crater.

  14. Re:I *prefer* man-made gems by random+coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I agree with you. However in 200 years when synthetic pure white diamond is used commercially in very large crystals, when corundums(i.e. saphires) are used for windows, our great grandchildren will wonder about us wearing what is to them just glass. I wonder what jewelry will be like when our physical scarcity matches our current digital scarcity. How will we adapt to such abundance?

  15. this just in: sarcophagus is solid fucking gold by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It turns out that while Tut's sarcophagus initially appeared to be ordinary gold, it is in fact solid fucking gold. "Yeah, I couldn't believe it", Dr. Packenwood said, "but when we finished running all the scientific experiments on the coffin, it turned out to be 200 lbs of solid fucking gold!"

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  16. Oh boy, i cant believe such crap : by unity100 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I cant believe how scientists create complete scenarios with details for things that happened aeons ago and they do not have even the little of sufficient evidence to justify sufficient crap :

    Scientists now think a meteorite much larger than the Tunguska event fell from the sky and exploded over the Sahara in prehistoric times. The tremendous heat of the 1000 A-bomb sized fireball melted large chunks of desert sand into perfect glass. The memory of such an apocalyptic event may have made sand-glass gems a desirable symbol, meant to emphasize the pharaoh's heavenly powers.

    And then the fish were living in trees, and people had 3 legs. Ah, the meteorite brought to you by courtesy of benign aliens.

  17. Re:I *prefer* man-made gems by tinkerghost · · Score: 3, Informative

    Remember though, Kay Jewelers sells only Created gemstones not synthetic ones.
    Yes I was actually told this looking for a Vday present.

  18. Re:Not 800,000 years by Vellmont · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given the unusual color of the glass (for the period), it seems quite reasonable that it being formed by "the light of a thousand suns" was the source of its value.

    Well, that's assuming that someone saw the meteor strike, wasn't killed by it, and the legend was passed down through the generations. That's quite a lot to swallow with their being no evidence for any of it.

    The distinguishing feature of the glass is that it isn't man made. Given that glass beads were common in Egypt in 1500 BC, and Tut ruled around 1300 BC, I'd say they must have known this wasn't just normal man-made glass. Perhaps they found it in the desert, but knew of glass as only a man-made substance. Finding something in the middle of nowhere in large chunks that couldn't possibly be made by a person, but which you've only seen before as being made by a person is pretty amazing. It'd be like finding big chunks of pure iron in the middle of knowhere. You've seen Iron before, but it's something that's created by people. I could easily see that such a find would make this glass special.

    In fact, the earliest known uses of Iron around 4000 BCE come from meteorites. From wikipedia:

    The first signs of use of iron come from the Sumerians and the Egyptians, where around 4000 BCE, a few items, such as the tips of spears, daggers and ornaments, were being fashioned from iron recovered from meteorites.

    Which brings up the possibility that this glass was found before glassmaking became common, so it had a special value assigned to it. The point I'm trying to make is that no one had to see the actual meteor impact to know that this was special glass.
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  19. Re:I *prefer* man-made gems by pla · · Score: 5, Funny

    Man-made gems can be more ethical as well since they don't finance activities which further human suffering.

    I see we have incompatible opinions on marriage... ;-)

  20. what? by way2trivial · · Score: 2, Insightful

    throw a 10 pound bowling ball off the empire state building
    throw 20 pounds of BB's off the empire state building..

    same effect? I don't think so.

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  21. another pieces of the puzzel by Eion · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Keep an open mind... Some new information (Esoteric and academically/Scientific), I recently saw spoke about ancient civilizations, +10 000 years and more (example, Lumeria and Atlantis, to name only two.) (To take a part), from a very long and complicated history/story The ancients had wars with very powerful nuclear weapons which resulted in to creation of all known desserts. Egypt was very important had first pyramid.(the one with no markings) (This is important as it was always fought over repeated blast, otherwise there would not have been sand to make the glass) Egyptians had long and integrated history with the civilization from Atlantis. So when I read this story I was pleasantly surprised that we have evidence about something that happened a very long time ago preserved with the pharaoh. 800 000 years, no problem... Ancient Civilizations 180 000 million to beginning of last ice age. Not going to give you the whole story go on do your own research and make up you own minds

    1. Re:another pieces of the puzzel by jdigriz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't be ridiculous, the Ancients had much more powerful weapons than mere nukes thanks to their mastery of Zero Point Module technology. We know this because we've seen Goa'uld mothership shields take Naquita-boosted nukes with no damage, while Ancient drones cut right through them like butter.

      Any society that can create artificial stable wormholes can do much better than nuclear weapons.

      =p

    2. Re:another pieces of the puzzel by nonlnear · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh don't be ridiculous. The Goa'uld and "stargate" are pure fiction. If you don't stop mocking Eion for trying to bring some enlightenment to the history "establishment", Xenu will come and nuke you over a volcano.

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  22. Re:There is a problem though ... by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 2, Informative
    From the article:

    The Sahara is currently as dry as it was about 13,000 years ago.

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  23. Re:I *prefer* man-made gems by budgenator · · Score: 2, Informative

    Aluminum is very common, but it's always found as a salt or oxide, originaly to smelt alluminum they mixed AlO with sodium metal and heated it until the sodium reduced the AlO to pure AL + NaO; this was a very dangerous and expensive reaction, which is why aluminum was very expensive, worth its weight in gold and rare. The modern method uses electric arc furnaces and electrity to cheap to measure, they just melt the baxite ore and the electricity electrolyses the ore into metal.

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  24. Re:This is a really lame con by Drakai · · Score: 2, Informative

    LOL, I seriously doubt they allowed a hardness test to be done on the gem. It requires indentations be made and then measured, unless I am mistaken. And while the latest greatest tools might make very small indents the risk would seem to great for a treasure of King Tut. On the other hand, the refraction index and the static charge are more believable tests.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_scale

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  25. One word.. by novus+ordo · · Score: 5, Informative

    DeBeers. They have the world's monopoly on diamonds and are quick to buyoff any new mines and ventures to control the supply. They are shitting bricks(diamonds?) and spending millions into detecting the ever more sophisticated synthetic diamonds. With all the effort they force on you to make the "perfect" diamond it will cost more than just buying one from them.

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    1. Re:One word.. by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Informative

      I read/skimmed through that & learned a few new things.

      I guess man-made diamonds aren't exactly perfect.

      The (soon to be overcome) stumbling block is that synthetics have a mix of 8 (which is normal) and 4 (which is not) sided internal structures.

      Because of the 4-sided structures, synthetic diamonds are UV reactive under "very intense short-wave ultraviolet" and will phosphoresce for a bit in the dark.

      Anyways, I still dispute your assertion that the search for the perfect man-made diamond will cause synthetics to cost more than natural diamonds. Most people just won't care. People who, in the past, wouldn't have bought a diamond, will.

      The only people who care will be investors & rich pricks who buy the marketing fantasy. Once the perfect man-made diamond is created, the only thing that will keep up values of natural diamonds will be historical or nostalgic interest.

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    2. Re:One word.. by ottothecow · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Because of the 4-sided structures, synthetic diamonds are UV reactive under "very intense short-wave ultraviolet" and will phosphoresce for a bit in the dark."

      That makes synthetic diamonds sound cooler than natural diamonds...I'd love to avoid the dirty cartels AND have a stone that phosphoresces (granted only with specific light that is probobly dangerous to skin).

      They were having a discussion on synthetic diamonds on npr today somewhere around early afternoon and it reminded me of the fantastic wired article on the topic. It's a little dated in terms of the newest cutting edge techniques (both for creation and analysis) but it is very very good.

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  26. What really happened was.. by Frightening · · Score: 2, Funny

    1. Italian scientist finds self alone in room with ancient amber necklace
    2. Takes wife's aniversary gift out of pocket and..
    3. Makes up BS story to tell the press
    4. Profit

    Next week we'll have a story on how Tutenkhamen's stuff was found in Venice, provoking theories that the Egyptians came from Europe and were sold out of it a la columbus & native Americans.

  27. Re:I *prefer* man-made gems by Sir+Holo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Remember though, Kay Jewelers sells only Created gemstones not synthetic ones.

    That's actually a more accurate description. A lab-grown diamond is a diamond, just as much as a mined diamond is a diamond.