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Pharaoh's Gem Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
Tamas Feher from Hungary writes "An Italian archaeologist accidentally found that the central gem in Tutankhamun's regal necklace is not amber, but a mere piece of yellow glass. Kinda cheap for the famous Egyptian pharaoh, best known for his splendid golden mask. Except that piece of glass is much older than civilization. Where did it come from, StarGate? Kind of. Scientists now think a meteorite much larger than the Tunguska event fell from the sky and exploded over the Sahara in prehistoric times. The tremendous heat of the 1000 A-bomb sized fireball melted large chunks of desert sand into perfect glass. The memory of such an apocalyptic event may have made sand-glass gems a desirable symbol, meant to emphasize the pharaoh's heavenly powers."
That suggests to me he dropped and broke it. :)
Doesn't lightning strike the desert? I know it doesn't rain that often in the Sahara, but still, I find that at least as plausible as a huge meteorite.
Looks like Naquadah to me...
If the explosion happened "before civilization" then it might be hard for there to be any memory of the "apocalyptic event" that created the glass. We're talking 800,000 years here... even before the advent of oral legend (Mmmmmmm.... oral legend).
Just thinking of possible alternate sources of prehistoric yellow glass, I know volcanic glass is usually black (obsidian), but surely there are some situations in which molten lava melts sand of various compositions that happen to be in its path, and therefore could conceivably result in other colors of glass? And I know there are no volcanoes in Egypt, but it could have been brought from elsewhere, the Egyptians were known to do a bit of trading now and again. Since they don't actually seem to have any actual evidence for the meteorite theory, it seems just as plausible.
Oh no... it's the future.
The memory of such an apocalyptic event may have made sand-glass gems a desirable symbol, meant to emphasize the pharaoh's heavenly powers." Or maybe, it's just a pretty sparkly shiny bouble...
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The actual gem was replaced with a piece of yellow glass by grave robbers who did a very good job of concealing their tracks.
The event 800,000 years ago was one in Southeast Asia, not Egypt. Presumably the Egyptian one was much later.
is in thier rarety. Glass was a gemstone before it could be made in quantity. This necklace may be OLD. Glass, Diamond, Sapphire, Ruby, it's all the same. The jewlery industry is trying very hard right now to find some way to discount the value of man made stones, or we may soon see the value of all gems erode as the value of glass did once.
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Don't you mean the FAARGATE!?!??
We don't vant to get sued. Just be sure it has a mohawk and a wheelchair.
From TFA:
Compare and contrast.
The other day I was skimming through a book I very much enjoyed as a boy: Asimov on Astronomy.
Chapter 2 is about asteroids and comets that may impact the Earth, and how much damage they would do. He concludes with:
Asimov was writing in 1966 but still should have known better. The kinetic energy of a shattered object is the same as the intact object. The only difference is that the energy will all be shed in the atmosphere instead of mostly in the lithosphere. Human suffering might be ameliorated somewhat but unless the trajectory of the pebbles is changed, the atmosphere is still getting superheated with disasterous local, and possibly global, effects. If you're standing under the shooting-star display, then like any nearby sand, you're getting cooked.
Yes, this ruined the ending of Deep Impact for me. Yes, I'm a geek.
We're talking 800,000 years here... even before the advent of oral legend
The event 800,000 years ago was over Southeast Asia, and was "even more powerful and damaging than the one in the Egyptian desert". The article doesn't provide any indication of when the Egyptian event might have occurred. If it happened just a few thousand years ago, it might have been within the memory of Egyptians. Of course, the article doesn't give any information suggesting that it was that recent, either.
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When you go to the jewlrey story, you'll find that the prettiest gems with the deepest color are the man-made gems. The natural gems look faded and washed-out in contrast to the "laboratory" made versions. The man-made emeralds are the deepest green, the man-made rubies are the deepest red, and man-made saphires are the brightest blue.
For some people the value might be in the scarcity of the natural gems, but for me the value is in the aesthetic decorative value of gem (with the lab gems being usually of better color).
Nah. In the future, when they nuke stuff back to the stone age, they really do it... ;).
It has been already published by New Scientist on 10 july 1999!
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i wonder if they are aware of this HUUUUGE 19 mile wide impact crator nearby ;)
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i mean this crater is sooo damn big that it wasnt even noticed till it was seen by satalites
theres on in europe like that too
its sooooo damn huge, an entire town is built in it, and an entire cathedral was built using a special rock that only forms from extreeeme compression and no one even knew it was a crater until some scientists realized the cathedral was built from that rock
when they are tooo big its hard to notice
like when you capture a lizard and it escapes and crawls onto the back of your arm, and thinks its safe cause it cant see your face
your so big compared to him that it doesnt even realize its still on you
I agree with you. However in 200 years when synthetic pure white diamond is used commercially in very large crystals, when corundums(i.e. saphires) are used for windows, our great grandchildren will wonder about us wearing what is to them just glass. I wonder what jewelry will be like when our physical scarcity matches our current digital scarcity. How will we adapt to such abundance?
Except congress doesnt have the authority to use nuclear weapons...
Congress and the current administration are two different entities, in fact they are two totally different branches of the US govt.
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It turns out that while Tut's sarcophagus initially appeared to be ordinary gold, it is in fact solid fucking gold. "Yeah, I couldn't believe it", Dr. Packenwood said, "but when we finished running all the scientific experiments on the coffin, it turned out to be 200 lbs of solid fucking gold!"
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Sounds similar to moldvite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldavite
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It could be that Tut's successor really didn't want to put any more valuable geegahs in his tomb, and arranged for an impressive-looking but cheap amulet to save costs. Or, even more likely, a preist or other worker involved in Tut's burial preparations took it upon himself to replace the valuable gem with yellow glass, knowing it wouldn't be noticed among all the other bright, shiny things. Since the evidence was buried beneath the sands, this might just be an argument for one of the earliest 'perfect' crimes.
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Metals. Gold, silver, titanium, maybe even gallium or iridium alloys. The shiny stuff that we can't, as of yet, easily make out of aluminium, charcoal, and air.
I cant believe how scientists create complete scenarios with details for things that happened aeons ago and they do not have even the little of sufficient evidence to justify sufficient crap :
Scientists now think a meteorite much larger than the Tunguska event fell from the sky and exploded over the Sahara in prehistoric times. The tremendous heat of the 1000 A-bomb sized fireball melted large chunks of desert sand into perfect glass. The memory of such an apocalyptic event may have made sand-glass gems a desirable symbol, meant to emphasize the pharaoh's heavenly powers.
And then the fish were living in trees, and people had 3 legs. Ah, the meteorite brought to you by courtesy of benign aliens.
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Remember though, Kay Jewelers sells only Created gemstones not synthetic ones.
Yes I was actually told this looking for a Vday present.
They'll probably wear Duke Nukem Forever CD's around their necks. There will even be a single DVD version called "The Heart of the Nukem".
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"I wonder what jewelry will be like when our physical scarcity matches our current digital scarcity"
Heres hoping its the encased souls of my enemies!
I'll just use my special getting high powers one more time...
The piece of glass is brighter than a 1000 suns? Oh wait, no, there might have been a huge explosion that was that bright.
Are headlines just randomly chosen strings of words now?
Hmm... a bracelet made of Rearden metal.
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Although the desert itself is millions of years old, between 8000 and 2500BC (end of last ice age until the final retreat of the monsoons) the Sahara area was very fertile, which is what led to civilizations forming there. Such an air burst would have had to happen probably around 10000 - 11000 BC or earlier, and was likely found because the area was mostly grasslands, not desert. It's possible it happened between 2500BC and 1300BC (around when Tutankhamen died), but such an event likely would be documented since writing was common by then in that region.
With water pollution destined to become a continuing problem, water quality-sensitive organisms like clams and oysters may become more scarce in the future, making pearls more rare. Add into this that there are few non-aesthetic uses for pearls (that i'm aware of, anyway), which means there isn't much drive for commercial synthetic manufacture. Invest in pearls!!
My guess would be that the process of making whatever could be made in abundance be patented to create an artificial shortage so the price stays up.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Man-made gems can be more ethical as well since they don't finance activities which further human suffering. See also conflict diamonds.
"Hi, I'm a famous researcher, can I see that ancient, impossibly valuable gem for a second?"
"Thanks, let me put it into my closed 'examination device'."
(Waits a moment)
"Ok, it's done." Hands chunk of yellow glass back to curator, "Yeah, it was just glass all along. Funny, huh?"
Walks quickly away with 'examination device', whistling happily.
My expectation is that this fellow will probably also find that the Hope Diamond, the British Crown Jewels, and pretty much any other gem he examines to have been glass all along. AMAZING!
-Styopa
Man-made gems can be more ethical as well since they don't finance activities which further human suffering.
;-)
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throw a 10 pound bowling ball off the empire state building
throw 20 pounds of BB's off the empire state building..
same effect? I don't think so.
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Keep an open mind... Some new information (Esoteric and academically/Scientific), I recently saw spoke about ancient civilizations, +10 000 years and more (example, Lumeria and Atlantis, to name only two.) (To take a part), from a very long and complicated history/story The ancients had wars with very powerful nuclear weapons which resulted in to creation of all known desserts. Egypt was very important had first pyramid.(the one with no markings) (This is important as it was always fought over repeated blast, otherwise there would not have been sand to make the glass) Egyptians had long and integrated history with the civilization from Atlantis. So when I read this story I was pleasantly surprised that we have evidence about something that happened a very long time ago preserved with the pharaoh. 800 000 years, no problem... Ancient Civilizations 180 000 million to beginning of last ice age. Not going to give you the whole story go on do your own research and make up you own minds
The Sahara is currently as dry as it was about 13,000 years ago.
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Aluminum is very common, but it's always found as a salt or oxide, originaly to smelt alluminum they mixed AlO with sodium metal and heated it until the sodium reduced the AlO to pure AL + NaO; this was a very dangerous and expensive reaction, which is why aluminum was very expensive, worth its weight in gold and rare. The modern method uses electric arc furnaces and electrity to cheap to measure, they just melt the baxite ore and the electricity electrolyses the ore into metal.
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What about those of us wishing to buy diamonds to express our fake love?
Synthetic or Manufactured diamonds would fill that market niche very nicely.
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How will we adapt to such abundance?
With violence.
You don't expect our future corporate masters to go quietly into the night, do you? They'll get their governmental thugs to enforce their right to profit, and failing that, they'll build their own "security forces" to ensure the safety of their business models.
Those darn sand people...always travelling in single file.
Prove it.
Now, Osmium (roughly 6 times as valuable as gold) is a definite candidate for a precious metal, but couldn't be used ornamentally as it is highly toxic. Oil, as it is being consumed many millions of times faster than it is being generated, could potentially be a candidate as a precious substance.
Some of the freakier minerals are also candidates. Probably the freakiest I know of is a blue feldspar called "Blue John" that only naturally occurs in about a mile radius of the town of Castleton in the northwest of England. Because it is highly chaotic in nature (its absolute non-uniformity is part of its uniqueness and is what people like about it) it would be hard to reproduce in a laboratory. As such, it is pretty much guaranteed to remain extremely rare.
Speculating on future tastes, then, my guess is that non-uniformity and asymmetry will play a major role in the future.
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Your wife buys that??
"he memory of such an apocalyptic event may have made sand-glass gems a desirable symbol, meant to emphasize the Pharaoh's heavenly powers."
Alright, it takes modern technology to figure out where this came from and how it was made. It also appears that anyone directly witnessing this event would be fried to a crisp.
So then how would the Pharaoh know how significant the piece of glass was?
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DeBeers. They have the world's monopoly on diamonds and are quick to buyoff any new mines and ventures to control the supply. They are shitting bricks(diamonds?) and spending millions into detecting the ever more sophisticated synthetic diamonds. With all the effort they force on you to make the "perfect" diamond it will cost more than just buying one from them.
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We all know that the Tunguska event was caused by Tesla's Wardenclyffe Tower, which somehow was able to channel immense amounts of energy half-way around the globe. Apparently he was able to channel energy several thousand years into the past as well, creating the prehistoric glass for the Egyptians to find. Crazy guy, that Tesla. Crazy like a fox.
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My Lite-Brite was brighter than a BILLION dead suns!
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1. Italian scientist finds self alone in room with ancient amber necklace
2. Takes wife's aniversary gift out of pocket and..
3. Makes up BS story to tell the press
4. Profit
Next week we'll have a story on how Tutenkhamen's stuff was found in Venice, provoking theories that the Egyptians came from Europe and were sold out of it a la columbus & native Americans.
There is a group of scientist near Sarasota FL who can make a flawless, gem-quality 1Ct. diamond of any color for about $200.00. It takes about a week.
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
Simple. By creating new and rare objects of jewelry. They may be difficult to create multi-color gems, gems with embeddded holograms, gems with holograms that are different for each facet, flexible gems you can use as clothes, etc..
My Suburban burns less gasoline than your Prius.
Remember though, Kay Jewelers sells only Created gemstones not synthetic ones.
That's actually a more accurate description. A lab-grown diamond is a diamond, just as much as a mined diamond is a diamond.
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They'll probably wear copper vials of crude oil around their necks.
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You got it right. Finer division of the projectile mass reduces penetration and overall damage.
I know a guy who tried to kill himself with a shotgun blast in the mouth directed upward toward the back of the palate. I'm not sure about the gauge, but his x-rays show a remarkable galaxy of fine birdshot still lodged throughout his sinuses and lower skull, so I guess it was likely a large shell. There's also a lot of metal reconstructive mesh in there. The blast caused a fair amount of disfigurement as it rebounded foreward out of his face, but overall he's remarkably physically healthy. If it had been buckshot or a solid shell instead of birdshot, he would definitely be dead.
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I'm hoping that after 200 years, humanity will have lost a bit of its obsession with spending vast amounts of money on pretty pieces of rock and will have moved onto doing something worth while.
Congress does have the authority to use nuclear weapons, you dumbass. Congress is in charge of controlling where and how our military is used. The President is just in charge of executing the laws and rules they pass, and they can pass laws down the micromanagement level of 'At two o'clock today, you will nuke X'.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
...or at least they used to be.
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What would you like to identify first?
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w: a yellowish-brown gem
w: an uncursed worthless piece of yellowish-brown glass
30 years downtime is today in pretty much every business insanity.
30 years back means 1976. Think back and ponder what technology has come into existance since then. VHS would come out of patent this year. And it is de facto pointless that it does, since the format is completely outdated by now. If it wasn't for the format war, JVC would have had the monopoly on video cassettes for the entire time of their existance.
Development happens so fast that technology from 30 years ago is outdated by every standard. And that time frame is getting smaller and smaller.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5196362. stm
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I'm hoping that after 200 years, humanity will have lost a bit of its obsession with spending vast amounts of money on pretty pieces of rock and will have moved onto doing something worth while.
:^)
Those "pretty pieces of rock" are often associated with the pursuit of the fairer sex. According to Inigo Montoya, "You could not ask for a more noble cause than that."
You can read the first chapter for free from Max Barry's website, which is exactly where you'll see this.
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Jewelry is more than the sum of it's matter. People seem for forget artwork plays a huge part in it! Think about it for a moment. Clay in its raw form is almost worthless. However, you can shape and fire it into pottery.
More to the point. It's not just matter and energy that's worth something, but rather its application of them.
Life is not for the lazy.
To summarise the gist of their content: ... but similarities with Tunguska, plus simulations which subsequently matched Shoemaker-Levy's Jupiter impact suggested that the airburst of a low density metorite/comet would not only account for the glass formation, but was statistically probable.
1) the glass was the result of a single event because of the distribution of large quantities of glass (100s of thousands of tons) formed at the same time in small area
2) the event was likely astronomic because analsysis of zircon crystals withni the glass indicated a temperature of 180000K degrees ( cf. lava at c. 100000k )
3) the absence of a crater matching the glass distribution was not conclusive (there has been significant water flows in the Sahara since the event, so the glass could conceivably have been transported from the area...
4)
The program was a bit sensationalist, but the references can be googled from TFA.
I'm surprised nobody brought up the theory that this is a nuclear weapons test site from an ancient civilization! The educated guesses all say "1,000's of A-bombs". Don't forget that Trinity was "only" about 10-15 kilotons. A thermonuclear bomb can generate upwards of 50 MEGAtons, well over 2 orders of magnitude of energy. This is old news. The glass has been known for centuries under the name Libyan Desert Glass . I have a chunk I bought on eBay over a year ago. But back to topic, books written in ancient Sanskrit describe bombs as powerful as the sun, and there are unexplained areas of radioactivity such as the one in Rajasthan, India. Why couldn't Libyan glass be from an ancient thermonuclear bomb test site?
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if a perfectlty square rock, 10ft to a side, is thrown into the atmosphere from outer space,
it presents a total of 600 sq ft of surface area for the atmosphere to burn away due to abalative effect...
if 1000 square rocks, thrown into the atmosphere, are presenting 6000 sq ft of surface area, the abalative effect is far greater.
note, both rocks have 1000 CF of volume.
if you blow up the asteroid, the effects are reduced, even if 100% of the original material enters the atmosphere.
same as the BB's and bowling ball...
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Been reading your Von Daniken or whatever? Here just for kicks, to help you out of your pit of ignorence. Atlantis is mentioned in one source originally, Plato's Timaeus, to provide a hypothetical to measure against the Republic. The guy who brings up Atlantis mentions it as a story his granddaddy told him on the equivalent of April Fool's Day. Look, mystical bullshit is fun to read, but it's still bullshit. Real history mystery is more interesting. Like, the mystery for example, of why so many miserable ignernt fucks, oops, folks, over the centuries have wanted to believe in a place like Atlantis. Go learn something worth learning.
While I have played the nationstates.net game, I have not read Jennifer Government, and that's not where I got the notion from.
Controlling the economy is of utmost importance to everyone. The rich want to stay rich and in power and the poor want to get rich and take power. You can't have power without money. (Money is war in convenient quantified-token form, but that's a whole 'nother discussion.) So when someone decimates the economy of scarce items, whoever is in control and striving for control loses a HUGE investment of time and effort, as well as their entire goal of control. It's only logical to assume that the losers will strike out violently in this scenario.
Of course, they can't win. Someone with enough power (a device, a method, a support structure and organization, whatever) to destroy the economy in such a manner would be virtually untouchable. Especially when they use that power for philanthropy and get a power-base of epic proportions. At that point, it turns into an "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" situation for the formerly power-hungry control freaks.