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Cell Phones Presage Future of Non-Neutral Internet

An anonymous reader writes "The US cell phone network has no network neutrality. This story on NewsForge takes a look at the obstacles to getting a third-party application running on cell phone networks, and explains why the same obstacles could ruin a non-neutral Internet." (NewsForge and Slashdot are both part of OSTG.)

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  1. I appreciate the metaphor, but... by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think it's the best argument for net neutrality. I think the average person might look at that statement and think, "Well, even though different cell companies are linking different networks together - everything seems to work fine. So why not do the same thing with the internet?"

    Of course, we know why. Competing companies would squeeze competitor's offerings unfairly, and that would stifle the current net's model of natural selection. Sub standard service would result.

    So, while I agree with the article I don't think it should be used in arguments about net neutrality. It's possibly misleading to non-geeks.

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    1. Re:I appreciate the metaphor, but... by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      Luckily, this is the first time in this debate anyone has tried to dumb it down using a metaphor that is possibly misleading to non-geeks.

      Now if you'll excuse me, another internet has just come through the tubes for me.

  2. O2 blocks TCP & UDP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I tried to create a chat client for a free mmo game i play http://getcontinuum.com/ only to discover my cell phone provider

    O2 only allows HTTP and blocks TCP and UDP. Sucks, aparently it is to prevent people using VOIP but it prevents hundreds of legitimate uses.
    Then again they probabbly dont want people to play or use 3rd party free apps.

    1. Re:O2 blocks TCP & UDP by OverlordQ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      O2 only allows HTTP and blocks TCP and UDP

      You mean HTTP runs on something besides TCP? That's news to me.

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  3. Re:Competition by stoolpigeon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    how many choices of providers do you have available to you right now? if i want decent speed and prices, that list for me consists of one company.

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  4. Its all about the money by AugustZephyr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I assume that if it was profitable for cell phone companies to find a way to create a net neutral infrastructure, there would already be steps in that direction. It seems to me that the biggest reason that they are insisting on controlling their own networks is that it is simply more profitable to them, no surprise the telcom giant want to do the same to the internet. Imagine if ISPs had the same amount of control over the internet that cell phone companies have over their networks now. I dont think what we know as the internet today would have ever gotten as large or productive as it currently is.

  5. Re:Outrageous! by koreth · · Score: 5, Insightful
    A company that builds a networking infrastructure that runs through public land and has government-enforced monopoly powers (e.g. most cable companies have exclusive contracts with the cities they serve, such that a second cable provider is forbidden by law to set up shop) should accept some conditions in return for the use of public resources.

    If we were talking about an actual free market with no externally imposed restrictions, I'd be right there with you. But the fact of the matter is, my cable and phone companies do not have to buy the land they dig up at will to lay cables, and my local government grants them a competition-free marketplace by legal decree. Not exactly a level playing field to begin with.

  6. Re:Competition by Knytefall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So how come competition hasn't guaranteed neutrality on the cell phone networks? How come existing cell phone carriers aren't in violation of collusion/monopoly laws?

    This is not a situation where competition will magically make things better.

  7. Re:Competition by LordKazan · · Score: 4, Informative

    and in most places if they have more than one company they really just have one company - the others - the "local ISPs" still buy from the big Phone/Cable Cartel company

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  8. Ringtones: $2.49 Full songs on Internet: $0.99 by robla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Need I say more?

  9. Re:Competition by KarmaOverDogma · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's because cell phone providers have realized that the cell network is not a truck that you just "dump" stuff on. It's a series of tubes. *Microwave* tubes to be exact. Competition has helped the service providers to collectively and concurrently realize this fact.

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