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CEO Shawn Hogan Takes on MPAA

IAmTheDave writes "Shawn Hogan, CEO of Digital Point Solutions, has found himself on the receiving end of an MPAA lawsuit claiming he downloaded a copy of 'Meet the Fockers' on Bittorrent. Mr. Hogan both denies the charges as well as claims he already owns the movie on DVD. After being asked to pay a $2500 extortion fee, Mr. Hogan lawyered up and has vowed to challenge and help change the MPAA's tactics. 'They're completely abusing the system,' Hogan says. Although expecting to pay well over $100,000 to defend himself, he claims 'I would spend well into the millions on this.'"

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  1. Prediction by TheSpoom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My guess: They'll drop the suit against this guy, but continue to threaten those that don't have the means to fight back.

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    1. Re:Prediction by milamber3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, if you bothered to RTFA it seems that the MPAA is doing exactly the opposite. The head of their antipiracy division is openly saying they're looking forward to a trial and verdict next summer.

    2. Re:Prediction by Danse · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Well, if you bothered to RTFA it seems that the MPAA is doing exactly the opposite. The head of their antipiracy division is openly saying they're looking forward to a trial and verdict next summer.

      That's what they're saying now. Give it a couple months. They'll probably drop it quietly after everyone has forgotten about it.
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    3. Re:Prediction by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 5, Informative
      Yeah, he could countersue, but that doesn't help anybody. Most people don't have the financial means to enter into a civil suit with an organization the size of the MPAA. They have no fear of that.

      If he got damages it could. It would establish a roadmap if not a legal precedent. If he gets real damages out of the MPAA you'll find lawyers lining up to take clients being sued by the MPAA.

    4. Re:Prediction by TheSpoom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I must admit, if they do go through with it, it'll be a hell of a lot more interesting than SCO. ;^)

      And just like them, they'll have no evidence that proves anything. Whether an IP address from a log from a P2P search bot is enough to convince a judge of the merit of the case... well, that's the interesting part.

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    5. Re:Prediction by TechForensics · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They can't drop the case if the defendant files a counterclaim. Or if they do, they're still in court on the counterclaim. If Hogan wants to teach them a lesson, he'll make sure his counterclaim litigates all of the issues they don't want litigated, including some they'd be forced to litigate if they actually took someone all the way to court.

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    6. Re:Prediction by Strolls · · Score: 5, Informative
      Defending yourself in court can be a real challenge that would pretty much require making it a full-time job.
      It literally became a full-time job for Helen Steel and David Morris in the McLibel case.

      The Wikipedia article only says:
      ... the two had no formal post-secondary school education, and few financial resources. Furthermore, they were denied legal aid by the courts. Although the pair were deemed no legal match for McDonald's enormous legal assets, they represented themselves, receiving much free legal advice, and doing enormous amounts of research in their spare time.
      however I recall reading in a Sunday broadsheet at the time that the case dragged on for a couple of years (I think that was just the first case!) and that the two represented themselves in court for 8 hours a day, then spent several hours of an evening preparing their briefs for the next day.

      Faced with legal action by a corporate behemoth like McDonalds, there was really no other affordable way to defend themselves, and I am in awe of their commitment - 3 other defendants were named in the initial proceedings, but they retracted the statements in the disputed pamphlet and apologised for its content. I believe that Steel & Morris gave up their jobs as a postman & as a gardener in because they refused to back down.

      IIRC none of the defendants were the authors of the leaflet - the group they belonged to was very ad-hoc, meeting weekly in a pub, and the court case was brought a couple of years after the leaflet had been distributed; Steel or Morris was quoted in the article I read as saying they didn't remember who did write it, as it was only one of many activities the group undertook. This seems to me to quite a reasonable assertion after two years, considering that someone might've only attended only a few of the meetings over a period of a few months - you might well remember faces but be unable to put names to them, and be unable to provide contact details for Mick or Joe.

      Stroller.

  2. I wonder... by Linkiroth · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does he call his team of lawyers "Hogan's Heroes"?

  3. Fight the Good Fight by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I personally would like to extend a helping hand to Shawn. If he wants to take this to court, I would like to pay him a simple $10 through Paypal for fighting the good fight. I've given the same donations to Slashdot and many many opensource projects (especially those on SourceForge) that have made my life easier.

    I would like to live in a world where I'm not worried about some organization of rich bastards strong arming citizens out of hard earned cash. There have been several cases so far where people have been charged with little or no evidence. The methods by which they obtain their evidence is even shadier.

    If you're reading this, Shawn Hogan, please leave some contact info so we can donate small sums of money to aid in your defense.

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  4. MPAA's reaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    One of the MPAA's executives was quoted as saying, "HooooooGAN!," while holding onto his monacle.

  5. Meet the Fockers? by Poromenos1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    No wonder he doesn't want to admit to downloading it, that movie sucked! I bet he doesn't even have the DVD.

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  6. Oops! by BarryLoper · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looks like they accidentaly picked on someone who's got some money. Don't you hate it when that happens?

  7. That's Not What I Want by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I admire your generosity, feel it is a little misplaced. I think he can afford to defend himself. It seems to me that you would be doing much more good by finding some regular joe that lives from paycheck to paycheck that is being harrassed by the MPAA or RIAA and donating to their defense.
    I don't think it's misplaced. Every case I've seen so far has been from someone folding under the MPAA or RIAA. I don't want to support that. I don't want to support money that came from an out of court settlement. I want the justice system to take a look at itself and really reconsider what the MPAA is doing to people. I want judges to stop handing out fines because the MPAA lawyers tell them the right things. I want to support the people that stand up to it. I don't care if he's a CEO or peon grunt with no cash, I'm going to support the person pushing for reform. I'm not going to support the person who just pays the obscene fine because they want to avoid the trial and lawyers. I want to support this guy if he's willing to bring the lawyers and cast doubt on the MPAA.
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  8. This will not go to court. by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless the MPAA are 100% certain that they're going to win. They don't really believe that a pirated movie costs them $2500. They do know that these threats have a huge effect as a deterrent. If they lose the case, they'll lose the deterrent. If they drop the case (after costing Mr. Hogan a modest amount in legal costs), they'll retain the deterrent.

    In what way is it in the MPAA's interest to see this all the way to the court?

  9. Re:Extortion fee? by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having the thing doesn't give you a right to download a copy. I've yet to see a respected scholar in the field of IP law say anything like that.

    They wouldn't have to. In this country, the person bringing the suit/charges is supposed to prove THEIR point. If they can't do that, you can come to court and draw funny pictures all day if you like -- they (shouldn't) win.

  10. The defendent blogs by supabeast! · · Score: 5, Informative

    For anyone who wants to keep up with the story, Shawn Hogan is blogging the story at http://www.digitalpoint.com/~shawn/category/law/.

  11. Re:Not gonna happen by mrsev · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One correctly spelt word: barratry.

  12. Re:class action by dr_dank · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, so the lawyers walk away with ungodly sums of money and the settlement class gets a shiny nickel. I'm all for the MPAA having to cough up, but I cringe when I think about who that directly benefits and who gets next to nothing.

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  13. Re:the unfortunate reality... by defile · · Score: 5, Funny

    On the other hand, if he effectively counter sues for defamation of character and/or some other damages done to him by their abusive litigation practices and sets a precedent for others it could open some doors.

    How do you even begin to quantify the damage done to his reputation? He's got Meet the Fockers on DVD! And now the whole world knows about it!

  14. Re:You can own meet the fockers in 10 minutes by punkr0x · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Guilty until proven innocent, eh? I'd like to hear what proof the MPAA has that he downloaded this movie, before I worry about whether or not it was legal of him to download it. The "ownership" is far from irrelevent... it's him saying, "Look, I already bought your damn movie, what motive do I have to download it?" He has no burden to prove he bought it, they have to prove he downloaded it.

  15. Mixed metaphor much? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...tuck our tails between our legs and run away, screaming like little schoolgirls.

    Man, I do not want to see what the girls at your school looked like...

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  16. What are you talking about? by tacokill · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article very clearly states that he allegedly used Bittorrent. So...he WAS uploading.

    I notice this because I have watched "the scene" for going on 20 years and I have yet to ever see a single case of ANYONE being prosecuted for only downloading. In 100% of the cases, the defendant is accused of distributing copyrighted materials. And distributing = upload. You aren't distributing if you are downloading only. And the (legal) distinction is very very important.

    Are you guys paying attention? There is a lesson to be learned here.