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Apple Faces Up to the MacBook Whining
Whiney Mac Fanboy writes "The Register is reporting that Apple has finally admitted to the 'high pitched whining' problems with it's MacBook line — but only to tell customers to contact AppleCare. From the article: 'MacBook Pro users have complained about numerous noises emanating from their machines since the Intel-based notebooks began shipping in February this year. Audible irritations reported by machine owners include whining sounds coming from the screen, from the body of the notebook, and from the area below the screen hinge when the laptop's running on batteries and both cores of the Core Duo CPU are enabled.'"
Ewwwwwww!
Have a look at these photos to see the extent of the problem. (Poor old Mac users, probably stress sweat from worrying about their credit card bills).
Anyway - good to see Apple finally 'fessing up to the problems - that's what we pay the extra cash for right?
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
May the screaming is the Mac being in pain from having to run Windows. (I'm a dyed in the wool Windows user, but I had to.)
Information wants a fueled airplane waiting at the hangar and no one gets hurt.
I have owned a Macbook Pro since March and while I did have the weird battery swelling problem thanks to a parts manufacturer screwing up the battery casing, I never once had the whine, nor did anyone I know or any Pro's I saw at Apple Stores in the area.
From reading around it also seemed like the same handful of people where making the most noise. While Im glad Apple is now fixing it, I cant help but think its not as widespread a problem as its being made out to be on the internet.
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...finally admit to the incessant whining noises caused by its software?
I called Apple, they did a few hocus-pocus troubleshooting moves (like unplugging the power cord, taking the battery out then pressing the power button) on the phone, forwarded me to a senior technical specialist who said it's a candidate, and then sent me a box to ship it back today. They claim I'll have it back early next week with a new mobo in it. Easy peasy.
Incidentally, the specialist said that the new mobo is going to be not completely quiet, but a lot better.
Now, I'm wondering if they'll put a 1.83 GHz chip in it like I had before or whether they start at 2.0 GHz like the new models do... here's hoping.
Once I removed the Fran Drescher audio clips from the system sounds, it was smooth sailing from then on.
Where were you when the voynix came?
"Slap a little oil on there and she'll be right as rain"
I know. The processor speed also can drop below 800 mhz unless you shovel coal fast enough into the thing, too.
Where were you when the voynix came?
I remember the power adaptor thing, they issued a recall and replaced the adaptors.
Did your friend also happen to work for the company that sold 3rd party warranties?
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All manufacturers have problems with laptops. Diff is: If Apple has swelling batteries, the whole internet screams in agony. If Dell's laptops explode, it's just business as usual.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=249 48
Seriously, all they are saying is: if you've got a problem, contact AppleCare. It's not like a recall or something.
There are 0x40000000 types of people: those who understand 32-bit IEEE 754 floating point, and those who don't.
Mac laptops always seem to have these fucked up problems. /Hyperbole
I have a macbook pro. Nice Machine. So far nothing has come up but I use it pretty lightly. I have also had a Titanium (prone to hinge and case cracks), 12" Powerbook, Aluminum powerbook, Powerbook G3 Pismo (GREAT LAPTOP!), Powerbook G3 Wallstreet, and supported all models of apple laptop as my job. The bottom line is you get Applecare when you purchase a laptop and it will be covered during its useful lifetime. Anything surviving beyond that (3 years) is just bonus time. We have seen plenty of 8 year old (or more) mac laptops boot and run just fine. Someone hauls one in every now and then. I had a sony VAIO that practially fell apart in my hands after 3 years, we had a batch of HP laptops with docking stations that would stop working after a month (a clip would bend up), had a run of dells with bad hard drives, etc etc. At the end of the day, there are just as many hardware problems with PC's as Macs, but you get it repaired and its ok. If there were only 2 types of PC laptops (instead of 1001) you would see these kinds of stories about pc's too. Remember the Dell that blew up?
music lover since 1969
Everyone ought to know to not buy first-gen Apple hardware by now - the large majority of first gen hardware have issues that get resolved in the second revision.
Of course, this whine sounds more like a power supply issue than anything else - modern electronics use switching supplies to generate the various voltages needed, and they tend to operate anywhere from 10kHz and up, but are well known to drop lower in frequency, or induce noise in other bits of the system. The fact that the noise can appear and disappear as the system is loaded is key to the problem as switching supplies rely on feedback loops to ensure regulation. Increase the load and the power supply works harder and likely generating more switching noise which induces itself in analog lines to speakers and such. And if the switching transistors have to remain on longer, it could reduce the switching frequency to something people start to notice. Most recommendations for eliminating noise comes from reducing system load, turning down the backlight (double effect, since the backlight inverter is yes, another switching supply).
And all along I thought that whine was from the users of the computers :]
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
This is why you never buy the newest model of Mac laptop, and wait until it's been out for at least six months.
As for warranty, things that are easy to break and expensive to repair are the only things I get extended warranties for. That means cameras over $400 and laptops. Since I only use Macs, that means Applecare. I learned my lesson with a PB G3 Pismo (one of the last ones they made, no less) which had more than a few problems that Applecare would have covered. Battery died at 12 months (just in time for a shortage of replacements!), DVD-ROM drive died at 15 months, hard drive died at 2 years, the ethernet jack was unreliable because of bad solder joints (I had to take it completely apart so that I could reheat those joints), crappy yo-yo power supply with strain reliefs that didn't relieve strain (I bought a replacement yo-yo that failed too), and the case broke enough internally that it ended up pretty rickety. My PB 17" didn't fare so badly (for one thing, three years later both batteries still work), but as I posted earlier, the Applecare did pay for itself.
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It's the sound of a high-voltage capacitor bleeding current. As prior post said, very high pitched -- toward the upper end of human hearing. If you're over 40 years old or attend rock concerts/listen to loud music you probably won't be able to hear it, but children can pick it out quite easily since their hearing is typically more sensitive. Must be annoying as hell for dogs.
Electrolytic caps tend to reform incomplete insulators with use, and occasionally correct themselves. I suspect this is a polyester or metal film polarized cap so the odds of self-correcting are, well, very low to nil. That being said, the charger on my Macbook (low-end 1.83 core duo, not a MBP) makes this sound. I plan to give it a month to see if it sorts out or gets worse. Not too concerned so long as it continues to charge.
It's "fesses up", which means to acknowledge, admit, avow, concede, confess, grant or own (up).
To face up means something completely different and nothing that makes sense in this context.
Mmmm.. Donuts
Personal ego's aside, I do not believe there is a single, current revision (excluding the new logic boards) of the MBP that doesn't exhibit this processor whine.
Rather, I do believe that it is a "hearing" issue. Much of the populace cannot hear the whine. Given the high distribution of a consumer product, though, the 1% falls through the cracks (like me).
Being able to, or not being able to hear the whine doesn't make you a better listener or something; so don't take it as an insult. I can't hear musical lyrics properly, I have problems listening to peoples voices in crowded places (bars/clubs, etc . . . I can't hold a conversation). Hell, road noise in my car drowns out my cell phone, while everyone around me never seems to have a problem.
But I can hear the MBP whine, and I can hear the the "tics" from my PowerMac G5 2.7 Dual. I do not hear similar things from my PB 12", nor from my Athlon 64+, nor from my Acer Core Duo laptop that the MBP replaced.
This is not a sporatic problem, and IMHO is not even a "technical" issue. It's a design flaw, namely, the engineering team responsible for the capacitors feeding the CPU did not notice the sound, or noticed the sound in a test an assumed it was outside the range of human hearing. The only thing that makes it sporatic is that it is, indeed, for the most part, outside the range of human hearing.
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Without hearing your particular system, I can't really say for sure - but I've owned 2 G5 dual 2.0Ghz towers and both have exhibited what I'd call a "slight electrical whine", which varies by CPU load.
This has been discussed all over the Mac forums in the past, and for many people, doing such things as changing the speed settings from "Automatic" to the full performance mode elimiated much of it.
I don't find the noise "annoying" at all, really. I considered it a perfectly acceptable noise that my system was just going to make from time to time. If the machine had louder cooling fans in it (like most PCs I've used), I suspect it would drown the whining noise out completely.
I believe Apple also did several revisions of the G5's power supply, because early revisions were more prone to causing the system to make the whining or "chirping" noise.
The "Genius bar" at Apple stores tends to be staffed by a lot of people who *like* Macs and Apple products, but don't necessarily have loads of technical knowledge about them. It's "hit or miss", in my experience. I think it's largely because they don't pay enough for what they really want/need in terms of quality of employees. But hey - that's retail for you. (I remember here in St. Louis, MO when the quad G5 tower first came out, my friend went to the local Apple store to see one and nobody there was even aware it existed!)
More than one Dell exploded. Not all MacBooks show the whining problem. In fact, I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro which has no problem at all.