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Microsoft Patent Envisions Free Computing

Dotnaught writes "A Microsoft patent application published on Thursday shows the company contemplating free computers and software for its customers. It suggests 'a service provider such as a telephone company, an Internet service provider, or a leasing company may provide computer systems or components to users at a reduced charge or for free in exchange for targeted advertising delivery.'"

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  1. Prior Art by femtoguy · · Score: 3, Funny

    I seem to remember about a zillion companies in the 90s that did this. A good example is PeoplePC. Does this patent things have no sanity.

  2. hello? by gmack · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey microsoft it's the year 2000 calling.. they want their buisness plan back.

    Seriously. Wasn't exactly this done already? How can they patent this?

  3. Sooo... by Poromenos1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm taking bets on how many minutes this'll take until it's cracked to show no ads.

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  4. Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Patents are never filed because someone plans on doing something.

    they're filed because someone wants to stop someone from doing something else. this is the case here. I hope it doesn't get accepted.

  5. Didn't we have this already? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    CompuServ + Circuit City. PeoplePC. Altavista. Walmart.
    Free hardware and/or online access.

    Didn't work too well last time, either. Once you let the marketing guys fingers into it, they screw it up, by pushing too much.

  6. I want to patent a software monopoly by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Funny

    And then charge Microsoft money.

    Seriously, next thing you know, you'll be telling me that information just wants to be expensive and that spam is good for me.

    But I'd trust Microsoft offering free hardware and software about as much as I'd trust someone "accidentally" phoning me and leaving me a message about this insider stock tip she just "happened" to pass on ...

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  7. Re:They tried this already by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, I like everything about this idea except for the words "targeted" and "advertising".

    Seriously, if the offer is that someone can data-mine everything on my PC and send me lots of pop-ups, spam, and flash banners, then no thanks. If computers are really cheap enough to make this business model viable, then I'd just as soon buy the really extra-cheap computer myself anyway (if it's cheap, why not?), which means the business model still wouldn't be viable.

  8. Obligatory by Bryansix · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is patently absurd!

    Seriously, consumers need a lobby just dedicated to patent law reform. First step, outlaw patenting business plans and most intellectual property. Second step, open up the process so anyone can prove prior art and throw out a patent application on those grounds. Third step, go back to requiring a working model of anything physical to be patented.

  9. Patents...heh by slimjim8094 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, a patent. Wonderful. Has it occured to anyone that they might not use it? That they might not have any intention of using it? Perhaps it's just so, that if anybody tries to do it, they will have to pay royalties? Did anyone think of this before they said "stupid...never work..."?

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  10. This is not MS's plan by jeffsenter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My guess is Microsoft is just patenting vague advertising-revenue stuff to block others from patenting it. This does not mean Microsoft actually plans to move to advertising instead of paying for software.

  11. double-take by bersl2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anybody else read that as Microsoft Envisions Patent Free Computing?

  12. Breaking the Chain by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Funny

    Seriously, if the offer is that someone can data-mine everything on my PC and send me lots of pop-ups, spam, and flash banners, then no thanks.

    On a positive note, it may break some people of their Internet Addiction.

    omg noes!!1 every reload brings more suffering!

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  13. Finally by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Funny

    We'll have a patent on "FREE". Is that a paradox, or an oxymoron?

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  14. Re:They tried this already by Andy+Gardner · · Score: 2, Funny
    Actually, I like everything about this idea except for the words "targeted" and "advertising".

    I like everything about this idea except for the words "Microsoft" and "patent".

  15. Not so fast... by rackhamh · · Score: 3, Informative
    Every time a patent is mentioned on Slashdot, the same misunderstandings crop up over and over and over...
    1. This is not a PATENT. It's a patent application PUBLICATION... which means the application has filed, but hasn't been examined yet (and probably won't be for about 2 more years).
    2. Just because a patent is filed doesn't mean it will be granted.
    3. The substance of the patent is in the claims. This is what Microsoft thinks (or wants the USPTO to think) is patentably novel. Specifically, what they're claiming is:

    A computer-readable medium having computer-executable modules for execution on a client computer in association with advertising delivery comprising:
    an opt-in module, comprising support for selecting an advertising delivery mode;
    a user profiling module for collecting user profile data;
    and an advertising delivery module for presenting a targeted advertisement corresponding to information in the user profile data according to the selected advertising delivery mode.

    This is what the USPTO will be looking at when they do their prior art search.

    1. Re:Not so fast... by intrico · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Rather than misunderstanding like you say, I think most people on here are smart enough see through the smoke of the grossly-obfuscated language used in most of these patents. With the recent patent news, I think most people by now are aware of items #1 and #2 that you mention. But then we get to item #3, which is where the problem lies. If you understand technology and/or are highly literate, as is the case for most Slashdot readers, you can read the claims for many of these patents, see through the obfuscatory smoke, and realize that what they describe is either something that is blatantly obvious and/or something that has been done before.

      For example, the portion of Microsoft's claims that you included above can be summarized as follows:
      A program that runs on a customer's PC, letting the customer opt-in and select how they want their ads delivered, stores information about the customer, and then delivers the ads according to what information has been collected from the customer.

      Just the fact that these companies would even dare to apply for things like that should naturally be enough to set off alarms. So I believe most people do in fact understand quite well what is going on.

  16. Doesn't anyone read the newspaper? by swordgeek · · Score: 4, Informative

    How much did your Sunday paper cost you? Maybe a buck, these days. It probably cost the publisher about $3 to print it, factoring in all of the news gathering and publishing costs. However, they also sold about $5/paper in ads, so they're making a net profit.

    Advertising is the primary revenue generator for information content providers. TVs, websites, newspapers, radio, and now computers. The only real difference is that once you get the computer, you have the computer and can theoretically do what you want. Of course, you could do that with a newspaper as well, by ripping the ads out.

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  17. Re:They tried this already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is incredible! I think it is absolute genius to take ownership and control away from the consumer and put it in the hands of big business!

    Why should you own your own computer, your own OS, your own software, your own data, etc. when you could be told what to use, what to do, how to do it, when to do it, and allow others to basically own your personal data!

    Anyone else here old enough to remember when the PC was about decentralizing computing, taking control of your own data, and empowering yourself? This was Micro$oft's big selling point against IBM.

    This is also why cell phone applications suck even though phones have multiple megabytes of memory, high resolution color screens, etc. that computers didn't even have a decade ago.

    Now things have gone full circle and we are back to handing everything back over to big business. Only today that also includes a lot more personal data, choice, control of one's destiny, etc, etc.

    Then again the general public doesn't seem to care about protecting their personal information, personal life, DNA, etc.

  18. Re:They tried this already by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 2, Informative
    by nine-times (778537) <nine.times@gmail.com>

    Actually, I like everything about this idea except for the words "targeted" and "advertising".

    I can't stand the irony here. Gmail wouldn't exist if it weren't for targeted advertising.
  19. Prior art? by mabhatter654 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    isn't there already prior art for this? I thought there were 2 or 3 companies already doing this, many were in South america, so that may not be "prior" art. Also, wouldn't netzero qualify... they didn't give away a whole PC, but they had a model of ads-for-service 5 years ago.

  20. Re:They tried this already by aichpvee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    People have done this before. Given away from computers that required you to view ads while using them, and usually required a certain amount of time spent with the computer connected to the Internet for retrieving new ads.

    Could someone who cared enough to read the article explain how this patent is different than what those companies were doing in the late 90s?

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  21. Isn't Google already doing just that? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Giving away software and services and making money through ads?

    At any rate, I'd view this as a "defensive patent". One they don't want to implement, but to keep someone from implementing it instead. Exactly what patents were NOT intended for.

    My only hope is that with the abuse of patents, some people will start reconsidering the patenting process. Or maybe the whole system altogether.

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