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Paul Thurrott's WGA Woes Solved
David Horn writes "Last week Slashdot ran an article regarding the trouble Paul Thurrott had with WGA. It turns out that after talking to Microsoft, he was actually running a pirated version of Windows, legitimately purchased from an online vendor. Paul admits that 'the truth is, I just made a mistake. If we learn something from that mistake, fantastic, but I wasn't trying to set up a life lesson for anyone, let alone myself.'"
Yeah, I'd be _really_ pissed if I found out my Knoppix disc was actually some iso off Bittorrent...
What kind of self-respected techie doesn't realize a pirated windows disk when he sees it? This story doesn't add up.
"Say, these are awful nice kneecaps. It'd be a shame if, y'know, something were to happen to 'em. And accidents do happen... like accidentally installing pirated versions of Windows."
MS Rep: That's a real nice website you got there Mr Thurrott.
PT: Thanks.
MS Rep: It would be a shame if it was accidentally got blocked by IE 7 for being unsecure.
PT: Now how the hell would that happen?
MS Rep: You know. Things happen. Websites get added to lists. Thumbs get accidentally broken. It's a funny world.
PT: Come to think of it, I think I'm using a bad serial number.
MS Rep: Atta boy.
It's not stupid. It's advanced.
Purchasing a Windows OEM version 'bundled' with a piece of hardware is not 'bending the rules.' It is living by the rules as specifically laid out. I have had no contact whatsoever (except for the POS machine at work that runs it) with Windows XP. But I know for certain that the 'piece of hardware bundled' rule applies to Windows 2000 and Windows 98 OEM versions. It sounds like he thought he was getting an OEM version, and the vendor ripped him off (shipped him an illegal copy instead.)
The company was willing to 'break the rules' (obviously) by selling a dodgy copy of an OEM CD. This was doubtless not brought to his attention while he was doing business with them.
I've been down that road. I went to one of those computer shows a few years ago to look for some now-esoteric equipment like SCSI cases, various SCSI connectors, and so forth. I checked out the software deals, bought a bunch of Norton Antivirus licenses (legit) and Quickbooks Pro. Turned out the Quickbooks CD was counterfeit and wouldn't register/activate. I called Intuit and learned it was a counterfeit. Everything appeared legit to me, but I haven't studied their typefaces or anything. Turns out the "Quickbooks Pro" silkscreening was slightly flawed, and the serial number/install key sticker was a totally different style from what was supposed to be there. The manual and packaging seemed real enough though. Anyway, Quicken met me halfway and gave me a great deal on new legit licenses - three seats (which basically came to three seats for the price of two), when they could have been real jackasses and not give me any discount at all. What I did for them was give them the name, number, and (claimed) address of the dealer from whom I purchased Quickbooks, and checked various show schedules to find the next few they'd be attending so that Quicken could send reps to to bust then. If they fucked me out of $179 with very real-looking packaging, chances are I am not the only one they're ripping off. All in all Intuit was damned courteous when they owed me NOTHING for my inconvenience.
The fact that their software is badly architected and requires admin privileges though, is not so forgiveable.
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Firefox? Opera? Was it not compatible with anything but IE 6? Sounds lousy.
1. So which one is smaller then?
2. I find it amazing that Windows 2000 has a faster startup and shutdown time than anything. Am I alone here?
3. "The version of IE 6?" Correct me if I wrong, but I believe my IE 6 on Windows XP/SP2 saves web passwords?!?
He was selling the 'Official' Mandrake CD set, or copies of it, and you have to belong to their little club to get the 'official' CD images.
Similar restrictions apply to direct copies of the 'Official' Release CD of OpenBSD (I've personally bought two releases retail).
And hearkening waaaaay back, I remember in the mid 90's attending a Red Hat Linux event at a reserved hotel meeting room, where I asked the Red Hat marketing woman if I could make copies of my brother-in-laws Red Hat 5.0 retail CD set. She just gave me this uncomfortable look back like it wasn't a sincere question on my part.
No, all that is happening here is MS creating such a complex system of distribution and prices, with registration codes that are long and difficult, all while trying to personalize a commodity product. Start with the first item. MS fought for regulations that mean that any manufactured PC must, for all intents and purposes, have Windows installed. So, even if a site license exists, you are still paying for windows. Yet even in light of this, MS still insists on selling upgrade and full products, even though the percentage of people who have not bought a previous copy of windows is small. Of course a copy of windows is linked to a machine, which is another senseless complication. Such complications as upgrade versions, home versions, pro versions, etc, simply allows the crooks an opportunity to manipulate the already confused end user.
Which leads to the second issue. MS Windows is now a fully commoditized product. It owes it's success to being part of fully interchangeable system, which allows beneficial cost reductions for all concerned. The problem is, of course, that MS does not want MS Windows to be a commodity, and therefore treats it as a vertical market application. So, I can't take my copy of MS windows and choose to install it on a single given machine. I am told which machine it belongs to. This does not happen with any other component of the system. OTOH, every copy of MS Windows is all but identical, so the machinations necessary to create this leads to a rube goldberg machine.
If MS would just sell MS Windows for $100 and get over all the hubris that somehow MS WIndows is a special thing would go away. If they want to continue the fantasy that somehow MS WIndows is not a cheap commodity, then they should do something like individualized DVDs, each encoded with their own ID.
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I accepted his initial report because it was perfectly consistent with my own experience. I have a system at work that has always validated as genuine. After I installed the update, it displayed the annoying and accusational WGA counterfeit notifications. Re-validating on Microsoft's website and rebooting a couple times made the notifications go away, and their MGA diagnostics tool confirms that it's genuine. Microsoft's WGA notifications update was buggy, and erred on the side of accusing legitimate users (at least myself) of piracy, despite that it was correct in Paul Thurrott's case.