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Microsoft Encouraging OEMs to Beautify Computers

Grooves writes "Microsoft has shipped a 'Vista Industrial Design Toolkit' to PC manufacturers, meant to encourage them to design computers that are more visually appealing. From the article: 'From color palettes to suggestions about how the power and reset buttons should appear, the kit basically describes Microsoft's vision of what a Vista PC should look like. The look features accelerated curves and purposeful contrast, among other qualities.' The report goes on to say that Microsoft wants 'PCs to be objects of pure desire.' Sound familiar? It's hard to see budget-conscious OEMs stepping up to this."

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  1. The first of many such comments... by Stavr0 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Microsoft wants 'PCs to be objects of pure desire.'

    I desire my PC to be pure of spyware, security flaws and unstability.

    1. Re:The first of many such comments... by adisakp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I desire my PC to be pure of spyware, security flaws and unstability.

      Somehow Macs do this and manage to be sexy at the same time. That said, I have a PC at work and home. I'd buy a Mac for home except that Macs are sadly lacking in the one field in which I work (video game development).

    2. Re:The first of many such comments... by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You ever think that you're in a position to, y'know, change that?

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    3. Re:The first of many such comments... by adisakp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You ever think that you're in a position to, y'know, change that?

      To be honest, in my current position as a game programmer for a major company, I have almost no control over the actual platforms we target for game design for current gen or next gen. These decisions are made much higher by management and marketing based on potential market and profitability. When it costs $10-20 million to make a game, no one wants to target a small unproven market. The best they'll risk is low-cost ports after the main game is written. In other words, incremental work that may increase the ROI from the already complete game. Find me a single publisher who will fund a 20-30 person team on a Mac game for two or more years because a programmer told them to do so and I'll eat my words. That's the effort going into high-end PC and console games right now and the sad facts of the economics.

    4. Re:The first of many such comments... by adisakp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is OpenGL+SDL that bad?

      When you're writing stuff for PC and XBOX (or XBOX 360), you use DirectX not OpenGL. PS2 usually uses a custom renderer or a package like Renderware. Only PS3 uses a graphics API similar to OpenGL and most people are going to bypass that for the low-level graphics API for performance reasons. Game Development IDES like Visual Studio (XBOX/XBXO360), SN (PS2/PS3), and CodeWarrior (PS2/PSP/etc) have licensing controls built-in that *ONLY* allow them to run on specific Windows PCs (either by MAC # or with floating licenses off an attached network server). Additional debugging tools (PIX, CATS, WinPACon, etc.) only run on Windows. At one time, Sony actually made a lot of their PS2 tools run on Linux but since developers had to use Windows for everything else, this effort hindered the tool usage until they made cygwin ports for windows. Finally, no one in the industry has made any serious effort to get the game-programming specific development tools we use to run on Macs.

      Macs are sexy and nice, they're just not practical for my job. Sorry...

    5. Re:The first of many such comments... by philipgar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Someone must have forgotten that low end PCs have high end graphics. Sounds like an honest mistake to me.

    6. Re:The first of many such comments... by JimDaGeek · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It is so easy to blame someone else when people fail to keep their system updated and use a little common sense.
      I thought Microsoft Windows was "easy to use", "secure" and that it "just works"? If these were true, then why are 87 percent of consumer PCs infected with spyware and more than half (55 percent) of enterprise computers? If corporations that spend millions on technology and have dedicated admins cannot keep spyware, adware, etc off their desktops, how are consumers expected to? I think the problem is that MS apologists constantly blame every one _but_ Microsoft for these issues. It is time MS is held responsible for their software issues.


      IMO, the big problem with Microsofts' automatic updates is that often you will get a new EULA that you have to agree to in order to get the update. I just did a fresh WinXP install that already had SP2 on it. There were a ton of post-sp2 updates and during those updates, I had to agree to a new EULA if I wanted to be patched. It is pretty sad that MS uses their auto update to force users to new licensing agreements.

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    7. Re:The first of many such comments... by adisakp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I like programming video games and I like working on games for PC's and Consoles which is what I'm paid to do. I also said I think Macs are nice sexy stable platforms. Heck I even aggressively recycle and drive a fuel-efficient car too which you seem to think makes you special. However, I honestly believe that Macs are not a big enough market for $20 million dollar games to be developed specifically for them and for those games to be profitable. Game development is not the same as solving the world's hunger problems. If Mac owners are hungry for games but their market isn't profitable, it's not a crime against humanity to let them "starve" for new games. We develop games to make money, not as charity.

      I have no personal desire to throw away my career or my company's money on developing a project projected to lose millions of dollars regardless of how sexy it is. It's hard enough to make money on PC's and Consoles as it is without targeting a niche market without a distribution channel. And equating my reluctance to push for more game development on an inexistant market to the "worst atrocities, of all kinds ... in history" just shows how out of touch with reality you are. I'm perfectly happy where I am and I see no justification to risk my company's financial health with an issue that no one I work with believes in including myself. I want my games to be played by millions of people everywhere (the last one I worked on had 2+ million copies sold).

      There's no reason to throw away a happy life, a career, and millions of dollars on some eco-freak hippie whiners like you who think I should "grow a pair" and service them.

    8. Re:The first of many such comments... by philipgar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're a gamer, a $50 video chip sucks. If you're not a gamer, there's no real advantage to a $50 chip over the GMA950. I bought a MacBook, and am actually happy they went with an integrated solution instead of a separate graphics processor. The MacBook is a mobile computer. As such, the machines power consumption is important. Even if a dedicated $50 chip used up only 3W more of static power (not an unreasonable assumption for many of these "low power" chips), this would significantly reduce battery life.

      The MacBooks battery has ~5100mAh @12V. Under normal usage condition we get 4 hours of use. This works out to the machine using 5100*12/4=~15.3Watts. If we increased this to account for a non-integrated graphics card, we'd see ~18Watts (conservatively). 5100*12/18=3.4 hours, or about 36 minutes less of battery power. Plus the MacBooks already run warm, now we have to run further cooling, etc.

      Most users of the MacBook however do not require high-end graphics. The GMA950 is good enough for all of Quartz's 3D graphics, and should be fine for all of 10.5's 3D effects. Also, all these gamers who complain about macs having underpowered graphics like this don't take into account that they're not in apples target audience anyhow. They would never want to buy a mac simply because OSX doesn't have the games for it that Windows does, and won't unless they get a much larger market share. Personally I'm very happy with apples decisions.

      Phil

  2. vs Apple by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Insightful

    MS is just trying to grab a few sales away from Apple at the expense of the OEMs. Why not? MS doesn't have anything to loose on this one - the OEMs are the ones taking the risk.

    Dan East

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    1. Re:vs Apple by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Trying to give its OS a Tux on release date. That is the first thing about XP that always annoyed me. It never looked right on most Computers. Black PC's with Black Flat Screens it looked OK. But on White Boxes with White CRTs or Silver it just looked out of place. OS X looks like it fits on Macs and it was designed for that.
      I don't see it as a way to fight Apple but just as a way to get a better selling of their products. If you can have manufactures in their showrooms showing Vista on a computer that Looks just as good chances are people will buy the computer with Vista. Vs. say Vista on a WhiteBox where people will kinda go ehh. And stay with XP or worse ME, until their computer breaks.

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    2. Re:vs Apple by insanarchist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't kid yourself: EVERYTHING Microsoft does is a way to fight Apple (visually, in particular).

  3. Design from MS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Would you really want to take design suggestions from MS? I can't think of anything they've designed (on their own) that looks like I'd want to put my name on it and sell it.

  4. Not necessary by dotslashdot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's true that Apple attracts a certain "I don't know what" kind of person. Apple's success, however, is not based on its cosmetic appeal. Apple offers much more beyond just its good looks. It's like Apple and and its users signed up on eHarmony and found each other. If Vista is stable and easy to use, then MS won't need the glitz and glamour to attract customers since they already have a majority of the customers. MS will only have to retain customers, which it can do with a great Vista release.

  5. So... by eno2001 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...after 20+ years Microsoft finally "gets it" or at least half of "it"? Oooh shiny wins with consumers every time. Apple knew this when they made the first Macs. But Apple also knew the other half of the equation that MS is still not getting: "just works".

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    1. Re:So... by LaughingCoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then please explain MS's 95% marketshare versus Apple's 5%? Shiny only wins when all else is equal. Most consumers are bang-for-the-buck types, and Windows boxes win that battle hands down. It never ceased to amaze me how add-ons for Macs were always twice (or more) expensive than their "PC" counterparts. I would submit that Apple finally "got it" when they started using standard DIMMs (versus proprietary), PCI-based graphics (versus proprietary), IDE drives (versus SCSI), USB (in addition to firewire), standard monitors, and now Intel CPUs. If anything Apple has moved much closer to a Windows PC, and so it is only natural, to combat the threat, that MS attempt to close the "shiny-ness" gap.

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    2. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oooh shiny wins with consumers every time.

      That certainly explains why Apple continues to dominate sales of new PCs.

    3. Re:So... by eno2001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Marketshare means nothing if you're not interested in profit. The fact is that Mac users love their machines with a passion that you will never see on the Windows side. Mac users are satisfied with what Apple has provided them with at every turn. And that is because Apple knows its users and respects them. Unlike Microsoft and the OEM vendors. To them, you're just another sale. You get what you get and you just sit there and suck it if it's not to your liking. With Apple, they pay attention to the sense of style their users are embued with by their superiority to Wintel slobs. Apple caters to their users and provides them with lovingly crafted systems that the Wintel world is just incapable of ever attainting. Witness the L-computers (Liebermann Computers) joke of a few years back. There were so many people in the Windows world who wanted a beautiful machines that were works of art and objects of desire. That it turned out to be untrue is a testament to the fact that Wintel users will NEVER "get it". Face it, Apple gets it and Microsoft doesn't. This will never change as long as the focus is on stupid things like marketshare and dollars. Customers matter. Apple knows that.

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    4. Re:So... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Then please explain MS's 95% marketshare versus Apple's 5%?

      Illegal anti-trust activities perpetrated by a less-than ethical company?
    5. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Then please explain MS's 95% marketshare versus Apple's 5%?



      "I had to get something like what we have at work." Seriously, in the 80s when the market was still forming and companies were going with DOS (because of the IBM tie-in and nobody getting fired for going with IBM), this was a big, big reason for consumers' platform choice.



    6. Re:So... by LaughingCoder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ummm, no. Your claim is specious. You seem to be saying that Microsoft got 95% of the market by leveraging their market dominance in an "illegal" way. You don't get 95% marketshare by being a monopoly; you become a monopoly by getting 95% marketshare. The "illegal anti-trust" activities are only "illegal" and "anti-trust" once you already have dominant marketshare, which they achieved by providing superior value (in conjunction with the hardware vendors) to the consumers.

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    7. Re:So... by linguae · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Then please explain MS's 95% marketshare versus Apple's 5%

      I believe that is due to misshaps that Apple made during the early and mid 90s (this is before Steve Jobs and OS X). Apple had a hard time creating a modern OS (Pink, Taligent, Copland), while Microsoft started to improve their OSes to the point that they surpassed the original Mac OS in stability and performance while almost matched it in usability (Windows 95 and especially Windows NT-based products). In 1999, I'd choose Windows 2000 over Mac OS 9 any day for most tasks. Had Apple's failed OS ventures actually didn't fail, then perhaps Apple's marketshare would be much more substantial.

      Windows and non-Mac PCs are still selling very well for a few reasons. Businesses are still heavily dependent on Windows software. But the biggest reason why MS has 95% and Apple has 5% is the price of admission is much lower. You can buy an entry level desktop for $300 and an entry level laptop for $600. It would come with some Celeron processor, a somewhat shabby graphics card, the traditional bundled applications (that don't really play together with other applications, unlike iLife and OS X's integration), and XP Home. However, this is what 90% or so of the computer population wants to buy; a computer fast enough to do email, word processing, photo editing, DVD watching, web browsing, music downloading, and other everyday tasks. For them, that $300 Celeron machine or $600 Celeron laptop would suffice.

      Now, if you spend $600 (or $1100 for the laptop), you can get a Mac. The Mac comes with OS X, iLife, a pretty nice processor (1.5GHz Core Solo for the $600 Mac Mini, 1.66GHz Core Duo for the $800 Mini, and 1.83GHz Core Duo for the $1100 MacBook), decent graphics (I'm typing this on a MacBook now; the Intel Integrated Graphics on this machine isn't very hampering unless you are a intense gamer, which I am not). All of the iLife applications work together. I enjoy the searching capabilities of Spotlight and use them every day. I like how Spotlight is integrated with all of my other applications. For a Unix hacker like myself, the terminal is just a click on the Dock away. I don't have to worry about bad drivers, malware, viruses, or anything like that. I work with a peace of mind.

      Macs are worth the price. When I showed my parents and siblings my Mac and fooled around with it for a few days, they fell in love with it. They were sold on buying a Mac, and they are now saving up for a iMac. The problem is that cheaper PCs are good enough for 90% of the market. Windows XP "just works" now (as long as you keep an eye on security), and Vista will be far better than XP (insert "it's a copy of OS X here"; say what you want, but Vista is still better than XP). Perhaps they haven't had exposure to OS X; my parents were sold on the Mac within a few days. Perhaps they still must have a Windows PC for their jobs (and they don't know that Intel Macs can run Windows natively). Or, perhaps that money is an issue for most people.

      Many people say that in order for Apple to increase its marketshare, they should release OS X to all x86 PCs. After owning a Mac for a few days, I'll disagree. Most users don't know how to install an OS, assuming that they know what an OS is. Plus, part of the benefit of buying a Mac is that you know that all of your hardware works. You don't have to scrounge the Net looking for drivers; your hardware in most cases "just works." Finally, it will make Apple have to compete with Microsoft in Microsoft's domain: OSes. Apple would be back in the Spindler/Amelio days of cloning and red ink. The best way for Apple to raise its marketshare is to lower its price of admission and provide some more variety in Mac offerings (while retaining a clear-cut consumer/pro line). How about a Core Solo MacBook for $700? How about knocking down the Mac Mini to $500 again just like it was originally was in January 2005. How about releasing that iMac for Education to the general public for $999? That will make a large increase in Apple's marketshare, because they will be much closer to the price points that most consumers buy their computers at.

    8. Re:So... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fair enough. How about, "Apple shot themselves in the foot when they fired Steve Jobs, thus paving the way for Microsoft to gain market dominance through illegal practices?"

      Of course, the reality is that it's actually a bit more complex than that. Microsoft gained their market dominance early on by hanging on the coat tails of a much older monopoly. (IBM) Once IBM had successfully evicted the other competitors from the market, Microsoft became a software monopoly. Considering that they had no scruples to begin with, that was a very bad thing. Microsoft then used their position to lock out all competitors from the market (bye, bye, CP/M & DR DOS) and push their substandard ripoff of VisiOn's and Apple's technologies.

      Ever since then, Microsoft has been the bully holding the face of the struggling victims as they fail about in an attempt to escape Microsoft's influence. Only with the popularity of Java, the return of Jobs, and the rise of Google have any companies managed to land solid blows against Microsoft's dominance.

    9. Re:So... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Dude, you just said the same thing I did, nearly word for word. Stop that, it's freaking me out. :-P

      Then it turned out that IBM could eventually produce a superior operating system (OS/2), but didn't know how to market it. Gah! Idiots!
      Just an FYI on this, Microsoft and IBM collaborated on OS/2. Microsoft provided most of the usability while IBM provided the underlying technology. A few Microsofties then managed to get Windows to boot into Protected Mode, which caused Microsoft to back out of OS/2 in favor of retrofitting Windows with their Chicago technology & Win32 library to create Win95.

      So IBM was never actually able to successfully create a consumer operating system. If they had such skills, they would have nailed the market after Microsoft backed out. Instead they put up a weak fight with, "Wow, I can do more than one thing!" advertisments that just didn't have any staying power.

      Since I'm replying again anyway, I think it's important to clarify: Microsoft was never in a position where they weren't a dominant power in the market. From their Microsoft BASIC empire, all the way to Windows, they have always had power to weild over others, and they have always abused that power. The world might be a far more interesting place today if Microsoft had never existed.
    10. Re:So... by booch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Microsoft has provided "superior value" -- just not in operating systems. Their development tools have always been top-notch. Especially in the assembler era, and less so in the C and Visual C++ eras. Even the VB and .NET are decent, even if VB does suck from a technical aesthetic standpoint.

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  6. Yet further by kahei · · Score: 1, Insightful


    This is yet further evidence of how MS have forgotten and broken their business model. They rose to prominence on cheap commodity hardware -- they empowered users and manufacturers alike to use whatever they wanted to get the job done, at a time when NeXT, SGI, Apple and Sun were competing to lock customers in to shiny, proprietary, non-serviceable hardware.

    Hard to believe that even the most fundamental lessons from MS's years of success can have been forgotten -- but there it is.

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  7. Re:Object of Desire?!?!?! by andrewman327 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "An no, I don't want to see what 'micro' PC's might fit. Really. "

    You know that I'm fighting the urge to make a Goatse comment right now.


    Anyway, I am glad that Microsoft is fighting against beige box syndrome. Computer makers seem to think that painting their 'puters black instead of off-white is what consumers want. I disagree. The important thing is that all designs are durable. My wonderful Sony Clie NX-73V failed because of a broken power switch. I would be ever angrier if that happened to my prettified computer.

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  8. Oh, so important. by sammy+baby · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From TFA:

    Not all OEMs are happy to see this kit. Lenovo, the company that took over IBM's PC manufacturing business, doesn't see how adhering to the design will help their company. "Our ability to differentiate ourselves comes from our industry-leading innovation," a Lenovo spokesperson told Businessweek. "And design is a big part of that."


    Oh, sure. After all, we know how unbelievably gorgeous Lenovo laptops are.*

    Actually, I suspect that this, more than anything else, is a sign of just how concerned Microsoft is that Apple is about to eat their lunch. The "beautify the box" message is inteneded as a point of product differentiation, but the only other product in this space who is doing better than Microsoft here is Apple. Unless you know of a company who is making really attractive Ubuntu boxes. (And if so, please let me know. I have a birthday coming up.)

    * I should note at this point that in my previous job I administered a lab full of IBM ThinkPads. They were absolutely monster workhorses, and I have nothing bad to say about them. I mean, other than the fact that I was stupid and didn't set BIOS passwords right away, and as a result lost one laptop to some MBA student thinking he'd be cute and setting a boot password. Whoopsie.
    1. Re:Oh, so important. by generic-man · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I find ThinkPads gorgeous for the same reason people find Mag-Lite flashlights and most Apple laptops gorgeous: simple, unfettered design that emphasizes usability. No unnecessary chrome except for a simple, tasteful logo. (Yes the Apple logo is large, but it's still more subtle than the Xbox-1-controller-jewel-like bumps on the top of many Dell and Compaq laptops.)

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  9. Hard to see? by symbolic · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Somehow the phrase, "Microsoft-approved" seems to be heading in a direction that I never thought possible. Not only will software writers have to conform, but now PC manufacturers should worry about how their systems look, just because they *might* be used to run Vista? What arrogance. Some things never change.

  10. The Mac isn't a good comparison by dada21 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not sure I agree with the "Be like a Mac!" comparison. For most PC manufacturers, having their own "look and feel" has been part of what has given them a strong brand name. Sure, Microsoft wants to grab some of that brand recognition beyond just the bootup splash screen (and the desktop look and feel), but I also think this will create more than just brand recognition for Microsoft -- I believe it will also produce an interesting "playing field" for companies beyond the Big Four (Dell, Gateway, HP/Compaq, Toshiba). Consider the smaller OEMs and white box companies -- by providing a standardized look and feel, this will open the door of opportunity for many more companies. Sure, the big guys probably don't WANT this (they want to keep their look and feel in order to keep their branding strong), but it could create a new competitive atmosphere by giving smaller companies a foot in the door to compete on the look and feel front.

    I've always loved third party cases and keyboards and monitors moreso than the Big Four for the same reason that I've always liked clones -- they've pushed the envelope before the big guys did. The downside is that the clones never seemed to sell well in the corporate environment nor in the newb home environment; the clones were just powerhouse sellers for us geeks. By having Microsoft "dictate" what they want to see, we may actually see more third parties offering competition to the Big Four, which in turn could see prices drop a bit more, which could push more legal Microsoft products into the fray.

    All around, there are some Mac-branding similarities, but I don't really think that is Microsoft's desired goal to miMac (mimic the Mac, in my vernacular). I think it is just a good idea that will help the little(r) guys, and still give the big guys a chance to offer different products that the market can choose from.

  11. Marketeer Speak for "Sell to the kiddies" by boyfaceddog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This has nothing whatsoever to do with Apple, so just stop with all the "Apple just gets it" lines. This has to do with selling PCs to the XBox crowd.

    1) Make Vista look like a video game (shiny-shiny)
    2) Make OEMs design toy-like cases.
    3) Marketeer magic/witchcraft (insert probable goat sacrifice here)
    4) PROFIT!

    See, that wasn't so hard, was it?

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  12. Reset? What's that? by nsayer · · Score: 3, Insightful
    suggestions about how the power and reset buttons should appear

    Macs don't have reset buttons. 'nuff said.

  13. Re:Object of Desire?!?!?! by StarvingSE · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I prefer the beige box, let your creativity loose and paint it whatever color you want. I would always prefer to mod and customize the looks of my PC, and this is really only possible on a "blank slate" beige box. The pre-modded systems that oems sell are just horrid looking for the most part.

    Its kind of like why people enjoy decorating their rooms/dorms/etc with posters and other such junk: they want their living space to be an extension of themselves and their personality/interests. The PC is just another extension of this.

    For some pretty nice looking PC's, check out Virtual Hideout's cool case gallery

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  14. Re:What they really said... QWZX by adamjaskie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If anything has "boy racer" looks, it is Alienware et al. Apple designs may not be for everyone, but they are generally clean and simple, while the "boy racer" look is anything but. Case windows, cold cathode tubes that flash in time with the audio, LED fans, and gaudy paint-jobs are more in the realm of PCs than Macs.

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  15. Those OEMs couldn't "beautify" anything by melted · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those OEMs couldn't "beautify" anything if their life depended on it. If they could, they'd already do so. The best they can do is steal Apple's 3 year old designs.

  16. What I'd like to see... by FellowConspirator · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fewer cables -- particularly power cables and power bricks. Things ought to daisy chain. Also, the computer ought to be able to power off devices when not needed (think external peripherals).

    Lower electrical power -- I'd like to be able to reel in consumption, slow down the CPU and power use when not needed. If drives took less power, you could run them off some daisy-chained juicier USB2 or FireWire.

    Quieter machines -- one shouldn't have to sacrifice or pay big bucks just to knock 20dB off the sound output of the fans/drives.

    Fast bluetooth -- or an equivalent thereof. Maybe something that would make sense with external HDDs, as well as cameras, camcorders, phones, etc. Monitors?

    Cheap low-power monitors with decent color for video work would be nice too (the LCDs with the truest color are just too expensive compared to the CRTs).

    After that, I'd put aesthetics -- which I don't care too much about since my PC's under the desk.

  17. Re:It's an effort to justify higher prices by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When I looked in my local Fry's add and saw that I can buy a brand new computer for $150, I realized that computers have become commodities.

  18. It's Easy to explain... by BSDimwit · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It's easy to explain actually.... Corporate America bought into the Microsoft monopoly, which in turn forced the unclean masses to follow in kind because they didn't want to be "incompatible," or they didn't want to learn something else. I wonder what Apple's install base is compared to Microsoft if you were to remove all of the corporate installs from the calculation. 95% is a big number, but to me, it says more about the Lemming mentality of corporate IT departments, than it does for the average user. Back in the day, when NT 4.0 was coming on strong, and the dotcom boom was just starting to happen... Microsoft was successful in touting its MCSE certification which guaranteed them a large throng of loyal corporate IT types who would naturally choose Microsoft over OS X or Linux. This legacy continues today, not because MS always has the better solution, but because it's what the guys who are in charge of the spending dollars know.

    Microsoft is in the precarious position of being too successful, where it has no where to go but down. Granted, the slow spiral downward will take time as a new breed of IT worker who is more UNIX/Linux savvy come into power, but the end is inevitable... Microsoft will fall from it's lofty position of 95% market dominance eventually... the only real question is how soon. Once that happens, Microsoft will have to start competing on merit instead of its past monopoly, which in turn will be good for everyone.

  19. Re:Object of Desire?!?!?! by JonathanBoyd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't deny that. Just saying that the cost of software is not the cost of duplciation, just as the cost of hardware isn't that of the raw materials and manufacturing.

  20. Who cares about looks? I want a quiet computer. by Secrity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't care what my computer looks like -- ugly can be covered or ignored. It is much more difficult to quiet or ignore a noisey computer.

  21. Re:I want my Vista PC to Shout Out What It Is by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2, Insightful
    By saying "I spent $500 extra for an OS I don't need that does nothing better than other modern OS choices". So, I'd like mine to look like it's bleeding money. Literally, bleeding.
    Actually, I was thinking of that old ad about the guy rushed to the hospital because he has "money coming out the wazzoo." That's what I want my computer to do--spit cash out the back! Or maybe just a windows where it burns $100 bills to power itself... :^)

    Seriously, though, you have a point. I'm sure part of the reason Microsoft would like PC makers to do this is to make the hardware look different if it's running Vista.

    Most PC users don't upgrade their operating system. They upgrade their computer. But how does the world know that they're running Vista? It's same old dull boring box. Most people can't tell a new computer from an old one, so most people wouldn't know that you bought a new computer with a brand new operating system on it.

    So, come June, if I walk into three friends' houses and they all have funky-looking brand new computers, I'll probably ask why. If they have new but dull-boring looking computers, I may not even notice and I certainly won't be asking why.