KDE 3.5.4 Released

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Posted by ryuzaki0 on Thursday August 3, 2006 @01:12AM from the some-kinda-winder-manger-or-somethin' dept.

Carewolf writes "While KDE4 is pushing ahead the stable KDE 3.5 branch is also seeing quite some development and new features. Today KDE 3.5.4 was released, with improved removable device support, speed optimization and many bug fixes. Among the bug fixes is of course a fix to layout the new slashdot sidebar properly in Konqueror. The story is also carried on The Dot."

65 comments

What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by halivar · 2006-08-03 01:22 · Score: 2, Interesting

KDE will be the perfect desktop for me when I don't have to include all the extra cruft. I love the UI and basic apps, and I like select apps from each package, but the vast majority of it is a waste of space for me.

That said, I'm still emerging it today.
1. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by stinerman · 2006-08-03 01:36 · Score: 1
  
  That said, I'm still emerging it today.
  You might emerge it today, but it will be done sometime next week. :-)
2. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by portmapper · 2006-08-03 01:39 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  > KDE will be the perfect desktop for me when I don't have to include all the extra cruft.
  > I love the UI and basic apps, and I like select apps from each package, but the vast
  > majority of it is a waste of space for me.
  
  With todays large harddisks this is hardly any problem, and not worth the package maintainers
  time to split the packages into even more packages.
  
  > That said, I'm still emerging it today.
  
  If you are so concerned with waste of space, why do you build KDE
  and dependant libraries by yourself?
3. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by AlastairMurray · 2006-08-03 01:43 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  Seeing as you say you will be "emerging it today" I will presume you are using Gentoo, in which case you can use the modular packages instead of the monolithic ones. Just chose the select apps you want to install and leave the rest. Of course, the hard part is knowing which apps to install but going with basic desktop + what you can think of and then adding things as you realise you need/want them. See here for more information, it is a little old but probably still accurate.
4. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by wetelectric · 2006-08-03 01:43 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  Well... I don't think this is KDE's fault. It's the fault of your particular Linux distro. KDE is very modular so you can go to their site install say three or four modules (kdebase,kdelibs etc) and be done with it. So, for example when i am installing it via SuSe (my O.S of choice) the 'minimal KDE system' includes many unnecessary modules. I'd blame suse for this.
  
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5. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by Rob+Kaper · 2006-08-03 01:51 · Score: 1
  
  So basically, all you need to get the perfect desktop is to switch to a distribution that splits the KDE modules into separate application packages?
6. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by Otter · 2006-08-03 02:25 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  Actually, on Gentoo you can install: 1) "kde", which gives you everything and seems to be what he's done, 2) the various KDE packages, like you're saying, or 3) individual applications, which seems to be what he wants.
  
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7. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by Bogtha · 2006-08-03 02:41 · Score: 1
  
  With todays large harddisks this is hardly any problem, and not worth the package maintainers time to split the packages into even more packages.
  
  Not many people care about disk space. But do you really want to download and compile a whole collection of packages whenever a tiny bug is fixed anywhere in that collection?
  
  I only use KWordQuiz from the KDE Education collection. That's ~500KB. I don't want to download and compile ~30MB of source whenever a bug is fixed in any of the applications in the Education collection, especially when the chancs are that none of the changes are in anything I use. I just want to update a small utility when that small utility is updated.
  
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8. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by Bert64 · 2006-08-03 02:56 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  You can do that...
  Look at the kde-meta ebuilds, they split kde up into all of it's constituent apps, so you can emerge konqueror seperately etc...
  If you emerge kde-meta, you get the entire of kde, but as seperate packages so you can remove unwanted ones later.
  
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9. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by Mr.+Underbridge · 2006-08-03 03:03 · Score: 1
  
  So upgrade to a 10GB HDD and don't fret. I could see worrying about KDE's (or gtk's) massive memory footprint, but who cares about HDD space anymore?
10. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by eosp · 2006-08-03 03:47 · Score: 1
  
  I recommend SimpleKDE.
11. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by level_headed_midwest · 2006-08-03 03:48 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  In fact, you can see everything that the full-blown KDE would install by typing in "emerge -pv kde-meta." It's well north of 100 packages, and all you need to just run KDE apps is kdebase and kdelibs plus whatever KDE app you want (just emerge it by name.) I start off by installing kde-meta to get all of the KDE apps as individual packages and then uninstall what I do not want later by unmerging it by name. Works liks a charm and is easy, even if it does take a little longer to install and then remove. Note that you can't do this with the monolithic "kde" ebuild- the kde-meta one is what you want. And BTW, if the kde-meta seems slow, it's because each little app has to run ./configure and unless you have confcache hitting well, it takes a bit longer to compile some smaller apps individually than as 30 at once whack.
  
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12. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by level_headed_midwest · 2006-08-03 03:57 · Score: 1
  
  KDE 3.5.3 on a 32-bit machine with an average amount of startup and auto-startup services (nfs, samba, distcc client, ntp client, gkrellm2) the RAM usage is 85 MB. Granted that may be a bit much for somebody running a computer that can only take 64 or 128MB RAM, but you'd need to have a original Socket 7-era unit to be constrained by this as the Super 7s and Slot 1/Slot A machines generally take 256MB or more.And I'd be more worried about a Pentium 75 keeping up with running modern applications that I would about RAM usage. Basically a machine that old is going to run for a particular purpose only, such as a firewall/router (and do so headless with no X or KDE) or be used to run a particular legacy program that will not run on modern OSes for some reason.
  
  If you are running such a machine as your primary box, you can easily find machines much more powerful (Pentium III/Athlon 700-1GHz or early P4s) just being trashed as newer units replace them. Pick one of those up for little to no money and then you can buy a little RAM and run KDE.For example, my university is ditching a lot of PIII/866 machines with 256 or 512MB RAM for roughly $50-75.
  
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13. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by baadger · 2006-08-03 04:03 · Score: 1
  
  > With todays large harddisks this is hardly any problem, and not worth the package maintainers
  > time to split the packages into even more packages.
  
  They already are ...
  
  http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kde-split-ebuilds.xml
14. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by Ambassador+Kosh · 2006-08-03 04:43 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  This is how debian based distros have done kde since at least 2.x and I think since kde 1.x. Right now for example on debian/ubuntu etc you could just do apt-get install kwordquiz and it would just install the package and the base requirements for it, not all the rest of the packaged in kdeedu. The issue you are having is not a kde problem. I don't know what distro you are using that does things that way but most of the ones I am familiar with have had kde broken up fairly fine grained for a long time now.
  
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15. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by Bogtha · 2006-08-03 04:52 · Score: 1
  
  The issue you are having is not a kde problem.
  
  It's not me that's having the issue, I'm merely responding to somebody that was saying that having everything lumped into one big package is fine because everybody has lots of disk space.
  
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16. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by Com2Kid · 2006-08-03 05:09 · Score: 1
  
  If you are running such a machine as your primary box, you can easily find machines much more powerful (Pentium III/Athlon 700-1GHz or early P4s) just being trashed as newer units replace them. Pick one of those up for little to no money and then you can buy a little RAM and run KDE.For example, my university is ditching a lot of PIII/866 machines with 256 or 512MB RAM for roughly $50-75.
  
  Try to actually do something, and in my general experience, anything under 512MB of RAM is unacceptable[1].
  
  And by "something", I include "Browse directory listing of files".
  
  People like to make fun of Vista's resource usage, but while MS is in the habit of sudden dramatic increases in resource demands, KDE has been doing a fine job of maintaining a slow steady creep of increasing resource demands.
  
  By the time Vista comes out, 1GB of RAM will be needed to browse directory listings for either system. ...
  
  [1] Note, my definition of acceptable may differ from yours. If I have to WAIT for a folder to appear, it is not acceptable. By wait, I mean anything more than 500ms, and if I am in a hurry, that is noticeable! Having a 3Ghz processor is useless if it accomplishes the most basic of tasks at the same speed as my old 33mhz processor. (which reminds me of a story about Java...)
  
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17. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by portmapper · 2006-08-03 09:50 · Score: 1
  
  > Not many people care about disk space. But do you really want to download and compile a whole collection of packages whenever a tiny bug is fixed anywhere in that collection?
  
  Why not use the precompiled packages made by your favourite *BSD or Linux
  package maintainer when they are available?
18. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by level_headed_midwest · 2006-08-03 09:53 · Score: 1
  
  I totally agree- 512MB is the minimum for a 32-bit box and 1GB for a 64-bit box to have good performance. My boxes have twice that. I was more saying that you can have usable (i.e. not swapping too too much) performance on 256MB or so. And a lot of the lag in browsing directories is due to the HDD, not the RAM or CPU (unless you have VERY little RAM or a very slow chip that can't draw the window quickly.)
  
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19. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by portmapper · 2006-08-03 10:03 · Score: 1
  
  You are overstating the size of KDE packages, relatively speaking. Most of
  the packages have various options (like KDE using Samba or CUPS) to
  help third party dependencies.
  
  Another poster wrote that Gentoo have split up the official KDE packages into
  individual applications, really, I would not maintain such packages, but hey,
  it's not me to decide their time spending ;-)
  
  But people that complain about KDE size and them does an "emerge" does not
  get much sympathy from me....
20. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by Anonymous Coward · 2006-08-03 21:55 · Score: 0
  
  There seem to be two sorts of people in the world: People who think Gentoo is fast, reliable and needs to be plugged at every opportunity; and people who think Gentoo is slow, unreliable and needs to be made fun of at every opportunity.
  
  Get over it already! It's just a distro! If you can handle Gentoo, then good for you -- but, like being on the blob, not everybody wants to know about it, mmmkay? If you can't handle Gentoo then stick to Mandriva or Ubuntu. And, like farts, not everybody wants to know about it, mmmkay?
21. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by stinerman · 2006-08-04 02:22 · Score: 1
  
  I've been thinking about testing Gentoo, so the comment was tongue-in-cheek.
  
  It has its advantages and disadvantages, just like any distro.
Argh... by Klaidas · 2006-08-03 01:22 · Score: 1, Offtopic

* 2006-08-02 13:55:29 KDE 3.5.4 Released (Linux,KDE) (rejected)
Summary:
* rejected (1)

Oh well
1. Re:Argh... by BecomingLumberg · 2006-08-03 01:41 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  Hey man, you know the rules... it has to be on digg for at least a day or two before it is acceptable for slashdot.
  
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I wonder how long it will take before by RLiegh · 2006-08-03 01:23 · Score: 1

...it shows up in pkgsrc? I might actually get a chance to check it out this year. (boy am I glad I don't use debian any more!)
1. Re:I wonder how long it will take before by JesseMcDonald · 2006-08-03 02:23 · Score: 1
  
  ...it shows up in pkgsrc [pkgsrc.org]? I might actually get a chance to check it out this year. (boy am I glad I don't use debian any more!)
  
  I hate to disappoint you, but I just installed KDE 3.5.4-2 from the offical Debian "Sid" repositories last night. It would seem that your complaint against Debian's package management is unfounded, at least for the desktop-oriented releases. Perhaps you were trying to run a desktop system out of the "stable" (server-oriented) repository? "Testing" and "unstable" are recommended for desktop systems; both are fairly up-to-date, although "testing" typically lags a release or two behind "unstable" ("Sid").
  
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2. Re:I wonder how long it will take before by jZnat · 2006-08-03 02:59 · Score: 1
  
  And running on Sid is a fun way to learn how to fix a broken system. I seem to recall my first major problem I couldn't fix when Sid upgraded X.org from 6.9 to 7.0 (bug with X11R7 and kwin or something). Be careful with a Sid system as you might end up reinstalling crap a few times a year (make regular backups to prevent the hassle).
  
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3. Re:I wonder how long it will take before by JesseMcDonald · 2006-08-03 05:47 · Score: 1
  
  And running on Sid is a fun way to learn how to fix a broken system. I seem to recall my first major problem I couldn't fix when Sid upgraded X.org from 6.9 to 7.0 (bug with X11R7 and kwin or something). Be careful with a Sid system as you might end up reinstalling crap a few times a year (make regular backups to prevent the hassle).
  
  Perhaps that's true for some systems. I wouldn't know, since I've been running (more or less) my current installation without incident from Sid for four or five years now, with regular updates the entire time. The only reinstall was due to a hardware (HDD) failure, not a software issue. It does occasionally require manual conflict resolution (which is why they call it "unstable"), and sometime a simple "apt-get upgrade" will refuse to update specific software packages due to missing dependencies (don't use "dist-upgrade" without checking the "to-be-removed" list first, of course). I find it useful to list both the "unstable" and "testing" repositories in sources.list; that eliminates more of the version conflicts. On the whole, however, in my experience, the "unstable"/"testing" repository combination works quite well enough for normal desktop use. In any event, if the risk is too high for you, then use "testing" and don't complain about not having the "latest and greatest" software releases: the delay is an inevitable part of guaranteeing cross-package compatibility on the dozen different architectures Debian supports. The fact remains that the only repository that's more than a year out of date (not even that, really) is the "stable" one.
  
  It's still a good idea to have regular backups, of course. Besides the hardware-failure isse there is always the possibility of accidental deletion or power-loss-induced data corruption.
  
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4. Re:I wonder how long it will take before by paleoflatus · 2006-08-03 10:01 · Score: 1
  
  What's with not using Debian? I'm using Kanotix>Debian and I've been enjoying KDE 3.5.4 since shortly after it hit the servers last weekend!
  
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Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by Ant+P. · 2006-08-03 01:42 · Score: 4, Insightful

Compared to Firefox where users have to wait until next year or put up with half-working CVS builds if they want rendering bugs fixed. If KHTML had better user CSS support I'd switch right now.
1. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by Bogtha · 2006-08-03 01:55 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  If KHTML had better user CSS support I'd switch right now.
  
  What do you mean? Konqueror has had good user stylesheet support for years. Settings | Configure Konqueror | Stylesheets. You can specify your own user stylesheet, or there's a dialog box to set up a new stylesheet in a user-friendly manner.
  
  Speaking of CSS, this new version has improved support for various parts of CSS 3. In particular, as far as I know, no other browser has implemented the CSS 3 replaced content model yet, which is one thing that can singlehandedly wipe out massive amounts of unnecessary HTML and JavaScript for things like rounded corners, image replacement, etc.
  
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2. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by Carewolf · 2006-08-03 02:04 · Score: 1
  
  Konqueror has way better CSS support than Firefox, but lack XSLT and Rich Text editing.
  
  Opera have supported replaced content for a few years. Btw, supporting it leads to stupid bugs: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130689
3. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by Rob+Kaper · 2006-08-03 02:09 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  Konqueror's CSS support annoys me maybe 1% of the time I am serving. Firefox's lack of desktop integration annoys me constantly.
  
  Seriously. Once you get used to directly dropping files from an obex:/ Bluetooth folder to an sftp:/ folder, or from an audiocd:/ Compact Disc to a Samba share.. you'll never want to go back. Ever.
4. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by VON-MAN · 2006-08-03 02:18 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  "but lack XSLT and Rich Text editing"
  Of course. But that's mostly because you don't use konqueror for editing.
5. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by Ant+P. · 2006-08-03 02:19 · Score: 1
  
  The one thing it's missing is this (Google cached since the site isn't loading for me).
  
  Well that and border-radius, but I can wait for that.
6. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by Anonymous Coward · 2006-08-03 02:24 · Score: 0
  
  Seriously. A friend of mine recently asked for some help managing his website over ftp, using explorer. I became so fed up with it that i simply brought in my laptop running FC5 with KDE 3.5.3, and the problems just vanished.
7. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by Anonymous Coward · 2006-08-03 02:24 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  KHTML along with WebCore which is based off of it, both pass the ACID2 test and have for a while now while Firefox 2.0 still doesn't.
8. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by Bogtha · 2006-08-03 02:31 · Score: 1
  
  Opera have supported replaced content for a few years.
  
  You're right, it used to be called -replace and -o-replace. Thanks for the pointer.
  
  Btw, supporting it leads to stupid bugs
  
  I have to disagree there. I don't know what the web designer was thinking, but he was adding generated content to an <i> element and expecting it not to be rendered because CSS 2 limits generated content to the :before and :after pseudo-elements. Of course, CSS 3 doesn't have this limitation, so the content is rendered by CSS 3 user-agents.
  
  So basically, the designer added generated content, expected it to be ignored, and then complained when it wasn't ignored. The bug is the web designer's, not Konqueror's. He should have just not added the generated content in the first place if he didn't want it. Is this a CSS hack? It seems like an awfully fragile one compared with the more usual hacks.
  
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9. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by Bogtha · 2006-08-03 02:43 · Score: 1
  
  Agreed, that's useful. The disappointing thing is that this is something that web developers can fix, without waiting for browser support, simply by adding a CSS signature to their sites. Usually web developers are stuck waiting for browser support, but in this case they are not and there's really no excuse not to include them.
  
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10. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by jZnat · 2006-08-03 03:01 · Score: 1
  
  Hmm, I've been doing that for a while, even after Firefox got its @-moz-document thing. I'd like to see the @-moz-document get standardised somehow (or at least added to KHTML).
  
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11. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by baadger · 2006-08-03 04:06 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  > Of course. But that's mostly because you don't use konqueror for editing.
  
  Why not. It's a file manager and god knows what else, they might as well add it.
12. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by N7DR · 2006-08-03 05:14 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  Konqueror's CSS support annoys me maybe 1% of the time I am serving. Firefox's lack of desktop integration annoys me constantly.
  Seriously. Once you get used to directly dropping files from an obex:/ Bluetooth folder to an sftp:/ folder, or from an audiocd:/ Compact Disc to a Samba share.. you'll never want to go back. Ever.
  Yep. Also, the lack of KWallet support is highly irritating (to me, anyway). What good is a centralized secure password storage system if the application that most frequently needs to access it doesn't know how to? (Having said that, I admit to having seen a few sites that hint that it's possible to use kwallet with FF, but none of them actually provides any details.)
  Actually, I see no way to avoid the unhappy conclusion that KDE users really need to use two browsers. FF's extension system is so great that it really is pretty unimaginable to use Konq as my main browser. On the other hand, as the parent points out, Konq's integration with the desktop and its ability to use KIO slaves is really something quite marvellous. It's one of those things (like tabbed browsing, I guess) that seems to leave people very unimpressed until they actually use it.
13. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by WindBourne · 2006-08-03 05:49 · Score: 1
  
  I use KDE all the time. Konqi works great for most sites. Where I run into trouble, I switch to firefox. All good.
  
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14. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by Ant+P. · 2006-08-04 11:58 · Score: 1
  
  It's kde bug #125388, but nothing's happened on it for 4 months.
kde mirrors by FudRucker · 2006-08-03 02:27 · Score: 2, Informative

have a great build for Slackware, runs great in my stock slackware-10.2

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A GNOME user converts. by Anonymous Coward · 2006-08-03 02:43 · Score: 4, Insightful

For years I had been a GNOME user. And for most of that time, I was quite proud and quite happy. But I was also quite ignorant. It was about a week ago that I switched from Fedora Core to Kubuntu. In retrospect, it is a change I wish I had made much sooner.

Besides the fact that Kubuntu as a whole is far more stable than Fedora Core, it should also be noted that Kubuntu includes a highly-integrated distribution of KDE. I was somewhat skeptical at first about the change. After all, GNOME had been working for for me (or so I thought) for years. It allowed me to get my work done in a timely manner. But for the sake of exploration, I decided to make use of KDE. And what a grand decision that was!

It soon became apparent to me that KDE is of a higher quality design and implementation than GNOME. I'm not suggesting that the GNOME developers are incompetent or lousy programmers. It seems to be more a case of KDE using the right tools for the right job: they use C++ directly, rather than trying to craft their own unnatural OO subsystem and framework in pure C as is done by GNOME. Second, I found that Qt was a far faster, more responsive toolkit than GTK+. Windows would redraw faster, and in general the GUI felt far more responsive.

I also find the KDE applications to be superior to their GNOME equivalents. The Kate text editor offers more functionality than that of gedit, while also feeling far more responsive on the same hardware, and consuming far fewer resources. Konqueror is another major success story. It renders much quicker than Gecko, and thus is a much more enjoyable browser to use than Firefox, Galeon2, or Epiphany.

While I have no regrets over the years I spent with GNOME, I am glad I have switched to KDE. What was a very enjoyable experience with desktop Linux using GNOME has become a completely fantastic one now that I'm using KDE. My productivity has skyrocketed, too. What would take me an hour to do with GNOME tools, I can often get done in 45 minutes while using KDE. Overall, it's been a very remarkable experience switching to KDE. It's something I recommend for all Linux and UNIX users to do.
1. Re:A GNOME user converts. by Anonymous Coward · 2006-08-03 05:39 · Score: 0
  
  AST?
2. Re:A GNOME user converts. by Fluffy_Kitten · 2006-08-03 05:41 · Score: 1
  
  (note: gnome-user) Wow, I had the opposite experience... I decided to try out Kde, and wam.. got hit with a slow are unresponsive desktop, on really good hardware, I had konsole output much slower that gnome-terminal, and generally everything about Kde seemed like they packed a lot of eye-candy are eye candy apps together into one giant monolith lump of programming. Then again that was fedora core 3, I should try again in kubuntu now. In fact, right now note2: actual experience, not troll.
  
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3. Re:A GNOME user converts. by Anonymous Coward · 2006-08-03 05:59 · Score: 1, Interesting
  
  RedHat (or FC) has never had a good reputation about the quality of its KDE packages; some say their poor KDE support was a conscious politics-driven decision. I don't know about that, but it's true that you don't seem to read KDE success stories from FC users. If you want to try KDE, why not pick a KDE-friendly distribution such as Kubuntu, as the OP did.
4. Re:A GNOME user converts. by Rich0 · 2006-08-03 12:28 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  Beagle, Fast User Switching, apps like Rhythmbox and Evince, GTK/Cairo with good Python bindings -- these all provide real value to me on a daily basis.
  
  FYI - Fast user switching is in fact available in KDE. It just launches a new kdm session on a new X display and optionally locks the current one. Works just fine for me.
  
  Most of the other stuff are just applications - I use evince all the time on KDE. I don't care what set of widgets an app uses so much as how the overall window-manager and integrated apps like a browser work. The rest you can really just swap out all you want.
5. Re:A GNOME user converts. by 0racle · 2006-08-03 12:53 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  First, who cares. Second, if indeed you were happy with Gnome when using it with Fedora, why did you choose to use Kubuntu instead of Ubuntu which is well known to use Gnome as it's default desktop environment. This is just a jab at Gnome masked in such a way to get an 'insightful' mod.
  
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6. Re:A GNOME user converts. by qurk · 2006-08-03 19:46 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  I hear you that there is something to be said about a well-written man page. That being said I prefer by a ratio of about 250:1 having the options to change program behavior available from an options menu, with handy tool-tips on mouse over on the check-boxes, than having some developers pick and choose what functionality is available to me without having to jump through hoops. I know a lot of people think simpler is more beautiful but I definitely like being able to convieniently change options to my liking. Don't get me wrong Gnome is a great environment but Gnome makes me feel like I have to just deal with dozens of little annoying twirks just because some developer prefers it that way, or someone with Mac-envy is trying to sneak a lil of that in here somewhere, or things are simplified to the point of either being completely useless or at the very least a lot more time-consuming to do simple things. Of course I'm just generalizing the emotions I feel when I use Gnome, and I know a lot of people love it for the very reasons I don't :)
7. Re:A GNOME user converts. by Bertie · 2006-08-03 23:19 · Score: 1
  
  Just wait till you discover Amarok and K3B, both of which are simply the best applications of their type available, bar none.
Warning to Kubuntu Dapper users! by jZnat · 2006-08-03 02:55 · Score: 4, Informative

Whatever you do, don't upgrade yet! Not only is there a severe bug in k-d-s, but several other programs are unstable and cranky. Stick with 3.5.2 or 3.5.3. Check #kubuntu for updates on the matter. Seriously though, don't do what I did and have to deal with the pain of downgrading packages via apt. :(

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1. Re:Warning to Kubuntu Dapper users! by level_headed_midwest · 2006-08-03 04:01 · Score: 1
  
  Is this just a Kubuntu bug or does it affect all KDE 3.5.4 packages? I run Gentoo and the ebuilds seem fine to me- so far...
  
  Well, there is always TWM if KDE craps out :D Real men and women aren't afraid to use little more than a CLI.
  
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2. Re:Warning to Kubuntu Dapper users! by Anonymous Coward · 2006-08-03 08:06 · Score: 0
  
  I've just upgraded successfully--the issue appears to have been resolved.
Use aptitude by Anonymous Coward · 2006-08-03 03:55 · Score: 2, Informative

Aptitude makes downgrading lots of packages much less painful.
You forgot... by swillden · 2006-08-03 05:04 · Score: 2, Informative

... fish:/
If you work with a bunch of Unixish boxes like I do (mostly Linux, but with some Solaris, Mac OS X, etc.) the fish:/ kioslave is the best thing since sliced bread.
For those who don't know about it, if you type fish://hostname in konqueror's location bar, it opens a file browser on your home directory on the referenced machine. The implementation uses SSH plus common Unix command line utilities like 'ls', so it works with any remote host running an SSH server with the basic utilities.
Even better, nearly all KDE apps use the kioslave subsystem, so when you click on a file in a remote machine you can edit it and when you save it writes the new version back to the remote host. Dragging and dropping works the way it should, including across kioslave types. Want to drag a file from a fish:/ location to a webdav:/ location? Just do it.
KDE's kioslave feature saves me significant amounts of time every day. What more can you ask?

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1. Re:You forgot... by WindBourne · 2006-08-03 05:58 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  Generally if you have fish, then you can use sftp. sftp is faster and more reliable. But if sftp is disabled, then fish is a good fall-back.
  
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2. Re:You forgot... by ajs318 · 2006-08-04 00:24 · Score: 1
  
  What's this whole "best thing since sliced bread" thing? Sliced bread is absolutely minging -- it's like some sort of packing material! Give me an unsliced loaf, cobs or a baguette, anyday.
  
  Get yourself a breadmaker. I can recommend Panasonic -- I've had mine four years and it's still going strong. A sachet of instant dried yeast, strong flour (2 parts white to 1 part wholemeal; too much wholemeal has trouble rising, even on the dedicated slow wholemeal programme, whereas too little lacks flavour), 3 parts sugar to 1 part salt (5ml. salt per 400g. flour), water (70ml. per 400g. flour plus 10ml. for the pot); and two hours later, you will be waiting for the best bread you ever tasted to cool down so you can eat it. And, although it's been cooked by electricity, it doesn't seem to have the usual "electric" flavour that often comes from this mode of cooking.
  
  Now, if you were saying KIOslaves were the best thing since the breadmaker, I'd have to agree with that :)
  
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