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KDE 3.5.4 Released

Carewolf writes "While KDE4 is pushing ahead the stable KDE 3.5 branch is also seeing quite some development and new features. Today KDE 3.5.4 was released, with improved removable device support, speed optimization and many bug fixes. Among the bug fixes is of course a fix to layout the new slashdot sidebar properly in Konqueror. The story is also carried on The Dot."

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  1. What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by halivar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    KDE will be the perfect desktop for me when I don't have to include all the extra cruft. I love the UI and basic apps, and I like select apps from each package, but the vast majority of it is a waste of space for me.

    That said, I'm still emerging it today.

    1. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by portmapper · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > KDE will be the perfect desktop for me when I don't have to include all the extra cruft.
      > I love the UI and basic apps, and I like select apps from each package, but the vast
      > majority of it is a waste of space for me.

      With todays large harddisks this is hardly any problem, and not worth the package maintainers
      time to split the packages into even more packages.

      > That said, I'm still emerging it today.

      If you are so concerned with waste of space, why do you build KDE
      and dependant libraries by yourself?

    2. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by AlastairMurray · · Score: 3, Informative

      Seeing as you say you will be "emerging it today" I will presume you are using Gentoo, in which case you can use the modular packages instead of the monolithic ones. Just chose the select apps you want to install and leave the rest. Of course, the hard part is knowing which apps to install but going with basic desktop + what you can think of and then adding things as you realise you need/want them. See here for more information, it is a little old but probably still accurate.

    3. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by wetelectric · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well... I don't think this is KDE's fault. It's the fault of your particular Linux distro. KDE is very modular so you can go to their site install say three or four modules (kdebase,kdelibs etc) and be done with it. So, for example when i am installing it via SuSe (my O.S of choice) the 'minimal KDE system' includes many unnecessary modules. I'd blame suse for this.

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    4. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by Otter · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, on Gentoo you can install: 1) "kde", which gives you everything and seems to be what he's done, 2) the various KDE packages, like you're saying, or 3) individual applications, which seems to be what he wants.

    5. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by Bert64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can do that...
      Look at the kde-meta ebuilds, they split kde up into all of it's constituent apps, so you can emerge konqueror seperately etc...
      If you emerge kde-meta, you get the entire of kde, but as seperate packages so you can remove unwanted ones later.

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    6. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by level_headed_midwest · · Score: 2, Informative

      In fact, you can see everything that the full-blown KDE would install by typing in "emerge -pv kde-meta." It's well north of 100 packages, and all you need to just run KDE apps is kdebase and kdelibs plus whatever KDE app you want (just emerge it by name.) I start off by installing kde-meta to get all of the KDE apps as individual packages and then uninstall what I do not want later by unmerging it by name. Works liks a charm and is easy, even if it does take a little longer to install and then remove. Note that you can't do this with the monolithic "kde" ebuild- the kde-meta one is what you want. And BTW, if the kde-meta seems slow, it's because each little app has to run ./configure and unless you have confcache hitting well, it takes a bit longer to compile some smaller apps individually than as 30 at once whack.

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    7. Re:What will make KDE the perfect desktop... by Ambassador+Kosh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is how debian based distros have done kde since at least 2.x and I think since kde 1.x. Right now for example on debian/ubuntu etc you could just do apt-get install kwordquiz and it would just install the package and the base requirements for it, not all the rest of the packaged in kdeedu. The issue you are having is not a kde problem. I don't know what distro you are using that does things that way but most of the ones I am familiar with have had kde broken up fairly fine grained for a long time now.

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  2. Re:Argh... by BecomingLumberg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey man, you know the rules... it has to be on digg for at least a day or two before it is acceptable for slashdot.

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  3. Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by Ant+P. · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Compared to Firefox where users have to wait until next year or put up with half-working CVS builds if they want rendering bugs fixed. If KHTML had better user CSS support I'd switch right now.

    1. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by Bogtha · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If KHTML had better user CSS support I'd switch right now.

      What do you mean? Konqueror has had good user stylesheet support for years. Settings | Configure Konqueror | Stylesheets. You can specify your own user stylesheet, or there's a dialog box to set up a new stylesheet in a user-friendly manner.

      Speaking of CSS, this new version has improved support for various parts of CSS 3. In particular, as far as I know, no other browser has implemented the CSS 3 replaced content model yet, which is one thing that can singlehandedly wipe out massive amounts of unnecessary HTML and JavaScript for things like rounded corners, image replacement, etc.

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    2. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by Rob+Kaper · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Konqueror's CSS support annoys me maybe 1% of the time I am serving. Firefox's lack of desktop integration annoys me constantly.

      Seriously. Once you get used to directly dropping files from an obex:/ Bluetooth folder to an sftp:/ folder, or from an audiocd:/ Compact Disc to a Samba share.. you'll never want to go back. Ever.

    3. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by VON-MAN · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "but lack XSLT and Rich Text editing"
      Of course. But that's mostly because you don't use konqueror for editing.

    4. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      KHTML along with WebCore which is based off of it, both pass the ACID2 test and have for a while now while Firefox 2.0 still doesn't.

    5. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by baadger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Of course. But that's mostly because you don't use konqueror for editing.

      Why not. It's a file manager and god knows what else, they might as well add it.

    6. Re:Wow, they're actually _doing_ something by N7DR · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Konqueror's CSS support annoys me maybe 1% of the time I am serving. Firefox's lack of desktop integration annoys me constantly.

      Seriously. Once you get used to directly dropping files from an obex:/ Bluetooth folder to an sftp:/ folder, or from an audiocd:/ Compact Disc to a Samba share.. you'll never want to go back. Ever.

      Yep. Also, the lack of KWallet support is highly irritating (to me, anyway). What good is a centralized secure password storage system if the application that most frequently needs to access it doesn't know how to? (Having said that, I admit to having seen a few sites that hint that it's possible to use kwallet with FF, but none of them actually provides any details.)

      Actually, I see no way to avoid the unhappy conclusion that KDE users really need to use two browsers. FF's extension system is so great that it really is pretty unimaginable to use Konq as my main browser. On the other hand, as the parent points out, Konq's integration with the desktop and its ability to use KIO slaves is really something quite marvellous. It's one of those things (like tabbed browsing, I guess) that seems to leave people very unimpressed until they actually use it.

  4. kde mirrors by FudRucker · · Score: 2, Informative

    have a great build for Slackware, runs great in my stock slackware-10.2

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  5. A GNOME user converts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For years I had been a GNOME user. And for most of that time, I was quite proud and quite happy. But I was also quite ignorant. It was about a week ago that I switched from Fedora Core to Kubuntu. In retrospect, it is a change I wish I had made much sooner.

    Besides the fact that Kubuntu as a whole is far more stable than Fedora Core, it should also be noted that Kubuntu includes a highly-integrated distribution of KDE. I was somewhat skeptical at first about the change. After all, GNOME had been working for for me (or so I thought) for years. It allowed me to get my work done in a timely manner. But for the sake of exploration, I decided to make use of KDE. And what a grand decision that was!

    It soon became apparent to me that KDE is of a higher quality design and implementation than GNOME. I'm not suggesting that the GNOME developers are incompetent or lousy programmers. It seems to be more a case of KDE using the right tools for the right job: they use C++ directly, rather than trying to craft their own unnatural OO subsystem and framework in pure C as is done by GNOME. Second, I found that Qt was a far faster, more responsive toolkit than GTK+. Windows would redraw faster, and in general the GUI felt far more responsive.

    I also find the KDE applications to be superior to their GNOME equivalents. The Kate text editor offers more functionality than that of gedit, while also feeling far more responsive on the same hardware, and consuming far fewer resources. Konqueror is another major success story. It renders much quicker than Gecko, and thus is a much more enjoyable browser to use than Firefox, Galeon2, or Epiphany.

    While I have no regrets over the years I spent with GNOME, I am glad I have switched to KDE. What was a very enjoyable experience with desktop Linux using GNOME has become a completely fantastic one now that I'm using KDE. My productivity has skyrocketed, too. What would take me an hour to do with GNOME tools, I can often get done in 45 minutes while using KDE. Overall, it's been a very remarkable experience switching to KDE. It's something I recommend for all Linux and UNIX users to do.

    1. Re:A GNOME user converts. by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Beagle, Fast User Switching, apps like Rhythmbox and Evince, GTK/Cairo with good Python bindings -- these all provide real value to me on a daily basis.

      FYI - Fast user switching is in fact available in KDE. It just launches a new kdm session on a new X display and optionally locks the current one. Works just fine for me.

      Most of the other stuff are just applications - I use evince all the time on KDE. I don't care what set of widgets an app uses so much as how the overall window-manager and integrated apps like a browser work. The rest you can really just swap out all you want.

    2. Re:A GNOME user converts. by 0racle · · Score: 2, Informative

      First, who cares. Second, if indeed you were happy with Gnome when using it with Fedora, why did you choose to use Kubuntu instead of Ubuntu which is well known to use Gnome as it's default desktop environment. This is just a jab at Gnome masked in such a way to get an 'insightful' mod.

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    3. Re:A GNOME user converts. by qurk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hear you that there is something to be said about a well-written man page. That being said I prefer by a ratio of about 250:1 having the options to change program behavior available from an options menu, with handy tool-tips on mouse over on the check-boxes, than having some developers pick and choose what functionality is available to me without having to jump through hoops. I know a lot of people think simpler is more beautiful but I definitely like being able to convieniently change options to my liking. Don't get me wrong Gnome is a great environment but Gnome makes me feel like I have to just deal with dozens of little annoying twirks just because some developer prefers it that way, or someone with Mac-envy is trying to sneak a lil of that in here somewhere, or things are simplified to the point of either being completely useless or at the very least a lot more time-consuming to do simple things. Of course I'm just generalizing the emotions I feel when I use Gnome, and I know a lot of people love it for the very reasons I don't :)

  6. Warning to Kubuntu Dapper users! by jZnat · · Score: 4, Informative

    Whatever you do, don't upgrade yet! Not only is there a severe bug in k-d-s, but several other programs are unstable and cranky. Stick with 3.5.2 or 3.5.3. Check #kubuntu for updates on the matter. Seriously though, don't do what I did and have to deal with the pain of downgrading packages via apt. :(

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  7. Use aptitude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Aptitude makes downgrading lots of packages much less painful.

  8. You forgot... by swillden · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... fish:/

    If you work with a bunch of Unixish boxes like I do (mostly Linux, but with some Solaris, Mac OS X, etc.) the fish:/ kioslave is the best thing since sliced bread.

    For those who don't know about it, if you type fish://hostname in konqueror's location bar, it opens a file browser on your home directory on the referenced machine. The implementation uses SSH plus common Unix command line utilities like 'ls', so it works with any remote host running an SSH server with the basic utilities.

    Even better, nearly all KDE apps use the kioslave subsystem, so when you click on a file in a remote machine you can edit it and when you save it writes the new version back to the remote host. Dragging and dropping works the way it should, including across kioslave types. Want to drag a file from a fish:/ location to a webdav:/ location? Just do it.

    KDE's kioslave feature saves me significant amounts of time every day. What more can you ask?

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    1. Re:You forgot... by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Informative

      Generally if you have fish, then you can use sftp. sftp is faster and more reliable. But if sftp is disabled, then fish is a good fall-back.

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