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The Ad-Supported Operating System

An anonymous reader writes "The appearance of an ad-supported operating system is probably not that far off. This article takes a look at some of the finer points behind an OS which is financed with ad views, and more specifically the logic behind a free version of Windows which could make this a reality. There are a few issues which must be resolved first, but with Microsoft refining Windows Live and shifting some of their focus to advertising, many of the pieces seem to be falling into place."

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  1. Never in a million years by symbolic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...would I consider an ad-supported OS. Linux is free, and ad-free. Why bother?

    1. Re:Never in a million years by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Funny

      So you are just going to make Bonzi starve like that? :-(

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    2. Re:Never in a million years by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "...would I consider an ad-supported OS. Linux is free, and ad-free. Why bother?"

      That would depend on the features of the OS. Linux is free, but I paid for Windows. Why? Several apps I use are available on Windows but not Linux. Therefore, Windows (sadly) has value to me.

      This isn't a rebuttal, though. You're right. They've got to answer the 'why bother' question. I probably wouldn't ahve bothered replying except for the "never in a million years" bit in your post.

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    3. Re:Never in a million years by kolme · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, right, that's what I think. Also I'd never use MS Messenger because it's full of ads, and there's a lot of free (as in speech) and ad-free alternatives. But in spite of it, people don't seem to care.

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    4. Re:Never in a million years by Fulkkari · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The article didn't consider that many people don't buy Windows - they have it pre-installed. Now, I suppose that hardware manufacturers could sell their computers with an ad-supported Windows for a lower price. And maybe it would catch on, but I doubt it. If the average computer still has something like 1024x768, even if the ads would be text only, they would take screen space. Now, I'm sure most people have no problem of ads taking some of the screen space, but when you start to have ads from the OS, ads from the browser, ads from the IM application etc. there will be a limit. People just have enough.

      This idea has also some serious privacy and security implications. Will the average user care? Probably not. But if he knows that the operating system was free, he might go on and try out Linux. He won't consider losing money, if he never paid anything for it in the beginning.

      Anyway, this ad-biz is getting ridiculous. What's next? Ad-supported games? Oh wait...

      PS. I downloaded my Windows XP professional ISO for free from Microsoft. What do you mean you can't get legal Windows for free?

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    5. Re:Never in a million years by onion2k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Depends on the advert too. If the system was written to download advert material in a similar fashion to Windows Update, and then display it during boot up, or even on the Login screen, I don't think I'd have a problem with that at all. I might even put up with adverts replacing my desktop background.

      In essence, so long as they don't actually get in the way then I'm happy with them. As soon as they make a noise, stop me accessing my PC immediately, or sit on top of windows I'm using, then I'd get irritated by them. The key to Google's ad success is that they're easy to ignore. Well, consciously ignore at least, we all still read them even if we don't realise it.

    6. Re:Never in a million years by Fulkkari · · Score: 4, Informative

      Microsoft has an academic developer program, where they give all kind of software for free. I downloaded Windows XP Professional, Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition and some other software as well. You get an ISO image and your own serial code for the software by downloading from this website with an unique login. Other software that I remember being available was the Visual Studio and SQL server. I don't remember the specifics, as I rather use my Mac. Microsoft Office could not be downloaded.

      I believe this is just a way for them to try to keep new developers using Windows, rather than switching to Linux or OS X. Some membership fee is paid by the school, but I don't see any of it.

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    7. Re:Never in a million years by Sgt.+CoDFish · · Score: 3, Insightful

      MSN Messenger is a good example of the ad-supported Windows "problem". Linux users don't use it (they use GAIM or Kopete or some other Linux-friendly messenger.) so they don't get the ads that come with it.

      But, MSN Messenger has features that other, Linux-friendly IM clients don't have: webcam support out of the box, audio conversations, games...

      The same can be said about the Windows-Linux situation in general. Linux users get a free operating system, with no ads, but they don't get the Windows-only programs that have been developed. A lot of companies have programs made for them that will only function in Windows, so they can't afford to use Linux: their programs wouldn't work. Sure, Linux has wine, but can anyone really say that they can get all windows programs to work perfectly under wine?

      Back slightly more on topic, I can see the use of a free Windows. That way, a lot of Linux users who have a dual boot system for Windows games won't have to pay for a/use a pirated copy of Windows, but they can still use Windows legally, and free of charge. This is actually a good thing from Microsoft. As long as they don't force the ads down your throat, I can see the advantages of this.

      A free Windows certainly wouldn't bother me; I won't be seeing any ads when I use Windows for the only reason I do use it: games, games and more games. :)

    8. Re:Never in a million years by indifferent+children · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Could get really insidious, at which time most sensible people would install a real os.

      If crashes, malware, and remote pwnership can't make people switch to a real OS, why should advertising?

      I think if Vista came with a USB-controlled cat-o-nine-tails, and you had to take five lashes every morning before you could log in, most people would probably put up with it.

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    9. Re:Never in a million years by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I haven't used Windows regularly for three years. I use OS X, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD on a regular basis, however. I also have a small Windows partition on a spare machine which I occasionally boot up when I feel the need to play an old game (about once every couple of months). When I installed it, I was amazed at how primitive the system was. Here are a few things I noticed:
      1. Dragging a window caused a (slow) redraw. Haven't they heard of buffering?
      2. Inserting a USB memory stick went through some kind of add new hardware thing. Why wasn't it automatically mounted? The drivers were present, so why bother the user?
      3. Ejecting the USB drive meant going to a tiny PCMCIA icon in the task bar; hardly intuitive. Why wasn't there an eject button Explorer?
      4. The scheduler really sucks. Even the old 4.4BSD scheduler handled load better, and ULE wipes the floor with the Windows scheduler.
      5. Why doesn't the kill -9 equivalent always work? Some processes seem to get stuck in system calls that never return. Not good design.
      6. Privilege escalation is painful. RunAs feels like a horrible hack, and accessing it through the GUI is painful.
      7. Drivers. Why do I have to hunt for drivers for my hardware? The only specific configuration I've had to do on other platforms was to grab the DRI drivers for FreeBSD, and that was little more than 'portinstall drm.' Windows won't even tell me what hardware I have if it doesn't have drivers for it! It is very hard to find drivers for 'Unknown Multimedia Interface.' If it even gave me the PCI ID then I could google for that.
      8. Installing software is painful. Each application seems to have its own method of installing. On OS X, I just drag things to the Applications folder. On FreeBSD, I use portinstall. On OpenBSD, I use pkg_add. On Windows, it varies for app to app.
      9. ACPI support is somewhat flaky. Quite often my laptop would go into suspend mode and never resume. According to the comments in the ACPI code for FreeBSD there are some special work-arounds for a buggy ACPI controller in my machine, but somehow Windows doesn't have them. Why not?
      10. Drag and drop support in Windows is very hit-and-miss. Many things don't even seem to support drag and drop on text!
      My conclusion was that Windows is not ready for the desktop, let alone the laptop.
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    10. Re:Never in a million years by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If crashes, malware, and remote pwnership can't make people switch to a real OS, why should advertising?

      As much as I dislike Windows, it is a real OS -- I wish people would stop with this tripe. Sure, it's deficient and suffers from all of the things you mention. But, there are loads of things for which Linux doesn't have any software to do certain things. And, I don't mean some broken POS 0.11 version of something open source. I mean functioning, supported, commercial software which I can actually use -- like my tax software for example.

      Eventually, I decided I needed two machines -- one running XP, and one running my beloved FreeBSD. Because there are just certain things you can only do with a Windows machine. And, quite honestly, my XP box is exceptionally well behaved compared to older versions of Windows. Put it behind a firewall and don't install stupid things on it, and pwnership is a moot point.

      I think if Vista came with a USB-controlled cat-o-nine-tails, and you had to take five lashes every morning before you could log in, most people would probably put up with it.

      *laugh* And, some people might actually prefer it that way, who knows.

      At this point, you can guarantee Vista will sell, because of Microsoft's dominance in the market segment. And they will continue to dominate for the forseeable future because it is the only platform most people know, and the only one which many software titles are available on. Apple is pulling some people away, but for many people, Linux (or FreeBSD or whatever) is simply not a viable operating system for what they need to do -- from their perspective, those aren't real operating systems.

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  2. I can't wait by grammar+fascist · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't wait to have Explorer force me to view an ad for ten seconds before I can access the hard drive.

    Or play "Punch the Monkey!!!" on my task bar.

    No thanks. I've been sticking with Free Software lately because I like it better for research, but if this advertising crap ever happens, I might just become a convert to the philosophy.

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    1. Re:I can't wait by utlemming · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't agree with you more.

      The problem with an ad-supported operating system is that people expect the computer to work. And when they sit down to do their taxes, balance the check book or write an email they do not want to be hindered with ads about the latest tax, accounting software or email client that is available. Sure, this model may have some people who will do it. Heck, the reason I watch so little TV is because of the ads (and yes I know about Tivo), and the last thing that I want is to be attacked with ads while using the computer; I use the computer when I want to be entertained as is, why would I voluntarily invite it on to my computer? This is just the realization of ad folks that people are starting to spend inordinate amounts of time on the computer and they want to encrouch on where people are spending time. AOL is switching to an ad context, and they are going to offer free service. I think that many people would happily pay for an operating system just to avoid the ads.

      Besides how much do you want to bet that an ad-supported OS would make the malware guys overly happy? Think about it. If a malware guy could take over the ad-subsystem on Windows, then the user might not even know it. So instead of getting reputable ads they start getting penis enhancment products and the like.

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    2. Re:I can't wait by landattack · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think I have already seen one of these ad supported machines at a friends house.

  3. Good Idea but not practical and too annoying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just in case windows wasn't slow enough, Microsoft decided it would be good to also have the software also worry about what ads are running. Just in case you didn't mind windows phoning home already, they added the benefit of logging everything you do so that they can better tailor ads toward you. Ohh, and don't think about having a computer running without an internet connection because Microsoft needs to verify you have all the latest adds running. I'm so glad I bought that widescreen monitor. That way after the adds arrive, I will still have the usable screen space of my old monitor. Forget about uninstalling other peoples adware, after windows, it isn't soo bad anymore. Unfortunately, this is a good idea to cheapen Microsoft products for those who have trouble affording them. The problem is those people will probably also have slower machines which this will place a burden on. Also, I don't want to have to pay a higher premium to get the non-add supported version.

    1. Re:Good Idea but not practical and too annoying by iamacat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just get a plain old CRT and adjust the control to clip the ad toolbar off the screen. Space problem solved!

  4. Ad vs Subscription, but... by Ninwa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ads in place of a subscription make sense, but how do you justify ads for something with an exact value? When you see enough ads to have payed the price of the OS do they go away? I don't understand.

  5. In The Future... by mac.convert · · Score: 5, Funny

    This Blue Screen of "Life" is sponsored by Blue Shield Health Insurance.

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    1. Re:In The Future... by kolme · · Score: 3, Funny

      A critical error has happened: unknown

      352ff7: 00000 00000 0000 0000 0000

      Enlarge your pennis!

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  6. Re:s/windows/google/g by Threni · · Score: 5, Informative

    > gmail anyone?

    Accessed via POP3 using the free Thunderbird? Don't mind if I do...

  7. Dumbest Article I have ever read by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From TFA:
    Another example of this is Microsoft. This company makes most of its money off of software but has made it clear that they want a piece of the advertising game. It seems that some of their reasoning comes from a desire to compete with Google, just like their revamping of MSN Search not too long ago, but advertising offers a lot more than just a chance to take some money from Google.


    This article is touting the ad-supported OS like it will have a million entrants, but who are the players that can go for this? Only 3 realistically, Microsoft, Mac OS X, and a company with their own branded Linux.

    An ad supported linux will never take off. The good and free versions are just too numerous and the other trillion reasons that won't work. It will never fly on Mac OS X, that is just too contrary to contemplate. But Microsoft...... why would they want an ad free OS?

    Right now, they make a set amount from each sale. An ad supported OS will not only lower that intake, it will not have long term gains from all the people who will patch their OS to fix it from the "crippled" version to the good version. Total loss for MS.

    This seems to be just somebody's hair brained scheme to "compete" with google, but how does it compete with Google? It doesn't. Google, if they ever release an OS (I doubt), will supply it over the net while MS here just pushes a reduced cost version off store shelves.

    Furthermore, the article states:
    The ideal of ad-supported Windows makes perfect sense under a number of different circumstances. While it most likely won't be appearing in any offices, it would be ideal for libraries, internet cafes, and in the homes of casual users.


    Um, no. Home Users already indirectly pay for Microsoft when they purchase a computer. No win for Microsoft there, either in marketshare or revenue. It would not be ideal for internet cafes, as people pay cafes (at least in Europe) to use those computers, so bludgeoning them to death is neither in the interest of the Cafe owner who sells time (and doesn't get any revenue from said ads anyway) nor their customers. In libraries, again, I have to ask why?

    I chalk all this nonsense to a slow newsday. I swear, this is the dumbest fad that is making every idiots eyes light up as if this is the best thing since sliced bread. The advertising market is already saturated, people are becoming resistant to advertising in general, and the pie is only so big.
    1. Re:Dumbest Article I have ever read by NickFortune · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Right now, they make a set amount from each sale. An ad supported OS will not only lower that intake, it will not have long term gains from all the people who will patch their OS to fix it from the "crippled" version to the good version. Total loss for MS.

      If it's an either/or deal then you're right. But suppose they're just testing the water looking to make ads ubiquitous on the windows platform.

      Then they'd probably market Vista with a ridiculous mark up - even by Microsoft standards, that is - and then offer an entry level version with full functionality, but supported by adverts. Of course, the ad-supported version costs as much as they think the market will bear, but everyone is so relieved at not being charged One Beeeelion Dollars that they think "phew, what a relief". Likewise when the OEMs start bundling the ad enhanced version by default.

      MS already have the infrastructure to serve the ads via their acquisition of Massive. They'd need to make sure no one turned the adverts off - which sounds like a job for WGA.

      Suddenly the spyware like elements of WGA make sense. MS can mine user activity patterns to serve targetted ads, beat Google at their own game, and get an ongoing revenue stream against the likelihood that the next windows released gets delayed until the Twenty-Second Century. Huzzah! The company is saved!

      You know, I think this might actually be The Plan...

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  8. Ads in Linux by jandersen · · Score: 4, Funny

    $ ls -l

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    I am the wife of Dr. Mabunga, the former minister for internal affairs in Nigeria, ...
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3409 2005-12-13 14:35 cpuload.c
    -rw------- 1 root root 614363 2005-08-17 19:16 culturalgrammar.pdf
    drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 456 2006-03-23 17:17 cv
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 27136 2006-02-03 12:08 cv+cover.doc
    drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 48 2006-08-01 15:56 Desktop
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 33995 2006-03-30 10:26 dilbert2006610630330.gif
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 49672 2006-03-30 10:35 dilbert.gif
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 245760 2006-03-16 15:57 djpenguin.zip
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2005-11-16 17:44 dlmgr_.pro
    drwxr-xr-- 2 root root 336 2005-08-19 15:55 download
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 223 2006-07-13 15:23 DVconfig.ini
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6461758 2006-06-13 15:07 E1.wma
    -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10583 2005-07-19 10:49 endian

  9. Public Terminals by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This won't be marketed at home users, at least not to start with. It'll be promoted as an option for public kiosks, and terminals in shopping areas, etc.

    The thing is, all the major software makers are desperate to find some sort of subscription or rental model so they can get a guaranteed revenue stream without having to stay on the product improvement treadmill. Improving software is HARD - Vista is a crystal clear example of how hard - which makes it expensive. If a software house can persuade customers to keep giving them money without improving the product, they're on a win.

    That's why they're tying software to hardware with product activation and pushing DRM or other methods of artificially obsoleting their products. Almost all of Microsoft's OS sales are with new PCs but even then, your ordinary punter, after paying for the OS for the Nth time, is starting to ask "how many times do I have to pay for this crap? It's barely changed in the past five years, but I still have to fork out the same $$ as I did the first time." Expect to see more of this sort revenue model as software becomes more complex.

    What's really needed, of course, is a new way of writing and maintaining software. The programs we use today are essentially bespoke, hand-built items, much the way cars were at the start of the 20th century. The primitive fabrication methods are masked because computer software can be duplicated infinitely without additional cost, but it's still an industry ripe for a new enry Ford to invent the digital equivalent of a production line.

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  10. Isn't this what Google is becoming? by pieterh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google is admittedly not an operating system in the classic sense, but it is systematically taking over the functionality that users expect their boxes to provide, and it is entirely supported by advertising.

    Trying to plug an advertising-driven model into traditional "operating systems" is like trying to glue a Mini-ATX motherboard into a Palm PDA. Some things just don't translate. We have learned to accept Google's ads, because they sit inoccuously in parts of the screen that would be blank otherwise. How can Windows even attempt this?

    I don't think Microsoft and Google are competing on the same terms any more, if they ever were. While Microsoft are still selling products that were defined twenty years ago and hit their peak a decade ago, Google is busy reinventing the online world, following its own designs and writing the rules.

    Let me give you an example... Office applications. On the one hand, Microsoft is wondering how to provide online access (advertising supported, metered, whatever) to Office. Now, Google are thinking, "in five years' time, people won't want to write documents this way any longer" and they're thinking of how to use the web to create documents, presentations, totally bypassing the Office metaphor (which is ancient, dating to before the days of the IBM PC). The very first microcomputers, running CP/M, ran office applications (WordStar, CalcStar, etc.)

    I used to write many documents using Word, then I switched to OpenOffice a few years ago. Today, I edit my documents as text, post them to Wikis, and use text-to-PDF and text-to-HTML conversion tools to produce deliverable output. I don't open OpenOffice any more unless someone sends me a document. The only exception is spreadsheets. I've not yet seen a new online abstraction that replaces spreadsheets, though calculations would be a natural feature to add to wiki systems.

    Google gets this, I think.

  11. Windows already is just what TFA speaks about by kripkenstein · · Score: 3, Funny

    Never in a million years [...] would I consider an ad-supported OS. Linux is free, and ad-free. Why bother?

    Ok, you wouldn't. But the vast majority of people use Windows, which in actuality already is an ad-supported OS. Many (most?) installations of Windows are (1) pirated, hence 'free', and (2) infected with adware, hence 'ad-supported'...

    TFA even hints that the point would be to move the ad revenue from the adware companies to Microsoft:

    This is no doubt why there was news about MSFT buying a adware company, probably so the operating system could essentially be infected with the most permanent adware possible, though at this point the term "adware" would not really be appropriate.

    So, Windows would remain free and ad-supported, as it essentially is right now, but MS would get paid and not the adware companies. An interesting thought, but it's just speculation on TFA's part. MS will probably want both kinds of revenue, licenses (enforced by WGA), and integrated ads.

  12. Re:Ad-OS is already here by zakezuke · · Score: 4, Informative

    Micro$hit Winblows X-Pee is full of ads for M$'s services. There's ads for Passport, Windows Media download stores, MSN Search, MSN Explorer, Microsoft Plus, and other bloated bullshit. Don't forget the ultimate coercive ad, Windows Genuine Advantage. Loads of false claims of pirated software means more bucks for

    Not to speak of the last "dell" I got (sorry folks, dual core $700 (not anymore), couldn't resist). I don't remember half the crap I deleted but trial word perfect, trial mcaffes, plus a shit load of isp adverts, this is ontop of the normal winxp adverts if you click the wrong thing. Fortunatly the crap was easy enough to delete, well except for McAfee's spyware.

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  13. Windows has ALWAYS been ad-supported... by jkrise · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've got Karma to burn, so here goes.... my true assessment of home-computing. A few of my relatives have home PCs - all running pirated versions of Windows. The ads come in the error messages:

    * Program performed illegal operation

    Sends the hapless home user scurrying to get a licensed copy of the OS.

    * Windows did not shut down properly. Files may be corrupted or lost

    And the poor chap goes out and buys a UPS. Never a chance to even imagine that ext3 rarely loses files even during a power shutdown.

    * Photoshop Elements may not work well with this Service Pack

    So the user pays Adobe for the privilege of being lazy enough not to explore better options.

    * Windows encountered an error in lsass.exe and must shutdown

    The user buys an upgrade since there's no support for the old OS any more.

    And so on, Windows has been a huge advertising platform for anti-virus software, UPSs, Backup-software-that-actually-works-but-is-suppose d-to-be-part-of-Windows, anti-spyware, external firewalls, broadband (modem drivers are clunkier in recent OSes), Flash, Support services etc.

    The fact that despite being an antiquated junkpiece several years behind in technology, Windows has succeeded as a platform, proves a coupla' things:

    1. User apathy and lethargy is a very potent force. A user would rather patch a buggy junk, rather than learn something better, simpler and advanced.. like Linux, Opera, Firefox, Open Office, Gnumeric etc.

    2. It's not possible to release Newer OSes forever, that's still prone to viruses and malware... remember You Can't Fool All The People All The Time...

    and so, it appears

    Microsoft has patented Web-Service-OSes that can be metered like Electricity and Gas. It's about time, one would've thought. Suddenly, all these lower-life-forms like anti-virus and backup s/w firms who depended on MS for their living.. would become redundant! There'll be hell to pay, since these guys don't die overnight.

    Symantec, Trend Micro, Citrix or Veritas wouldn't take such initiatives lying down. Interesting times ahead!

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  14. It's been happening for years, to some extent. by grrowl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Has everyone forgot installing Windows 95/98, and going through the process of deleting the bundled AOL trials, CompuServe this and MSN Online that? It's not "Punch the monkey and win a free iPod!"-style advertising, but it is paid product placement and it is advertising. Also in Windows 95 and 98 was a "Sampler" directory on the CD with games and reference utilities, although most were distributed by Microsoft Games, there was a game from Scholastic and another company. In Windows XP, view your My Pictures folder (or any folder you or windows has identified as a photo folder), and look at the task pane: "Order Prints Online" takes you to a list of paid links to photo printers, "Shop for Pictures Online" takes you to a page with two microsoft links and one to 'BizPresenter.com'. It's not a new concept! It's just been subtle, but I doubt it'll get too much more obvious (viewing a 10 second advertisement every time you boot up, or "Targeted Media" on your desktop, ala Win98's Active Desktop items but with Coke ads instead of CBS News -- wait, they're both advertising!