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County-Wide Wireless To Be Deployed in Michigan

alien88 writes "Late last week, the Washtenaw County Board approved Wireless Washtenaw Advisory Board's recommendation of 20/20 Communications to cover the entire county with wireless by the end of 2007. This includes Ann Arbor, the home of University of Michigan and future home of Google's Adwords division. The wireless network will be free for speeds up to 85kbps and $35/month for 500kbps. 20/20 Communications estimates it will take around 6,000 radios to cover the county.

This initiative is being funded without taxpayer dollars and is one of the most ambitious wireless deployments in the U.S. Will it succeed or will it fail? Check out the county's wireless website for updates on the project."
Of course, the real reason this is worth posting is it's because this is the county where Rob, myself and a number of the others live.

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  1. Washtenaw's neighbor, Oalkand County tried this.. by bensafrickingenius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    and the telcos used their lobbying dollars to CRUSH the effort. Good luck Washtenaw!

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  2. Wireless in other states? by Kranfer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am a HUGE fan of the county/city wide wireless programs that are popping up all over the U.S. And Canada. While I do love this, I do have a few reservations. One reason why I do not live out where I want to (The Catskills in NY) is I cannot get broadband service without paying a huge amount of money. However, I am wondering how well a system like this would work in a mountainous area such as the Adirondacks or the Catskill Plateau... Does anyone have any information on a town/county/state implmenting a wireless network over ruggard terrain to reach the rural people where wireless might be blocked by hills, mountains etc? I would be very interested to see how something like this would be put into good use.

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  3. livvin in by daves · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...this is the county where Rob, myself and a number of the others live in.

    ... and work as professional editors.

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  4. Now please don't go Slashdotting the free wireless by digitaldc · · Score: 4, Funny

    I felt a great disturbance in the Network, as if millions of Washtenawans suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced...

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  5. UK surely a more appropriate target? by Rexico · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this can work in the U.S., presumably it would work even better in the UK with similar internet usage and a much higher population density.

  6. A naive question by LaughingCoder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps someone out there knows the answer to this ... if I were to fly over this region would I (briefly) be able to access the internet from my laptop? If the Access Points have miles of range, does that range extend *up* as well as *out*? Just curious. And of course, by extension, as more and more cities roll these things out, will we have access to the net wherever we fly? Assuming the answer to my question is yes, could this begin to impact airplane design (especially small planes), by assuming net access? Planes could report their position (on board GPS tells them where they are, then they use the wireless net to communicate to "Air Traffic Controller" servers, which could then send back flight instructions). Just a few random thoughts for a Monday morning ...

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    1. Re:A naive question by maxume · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Probably not. Wikipedia:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washtenaw_County,_Mic higan

      lists the area of the county at 723 square miles and the summary says 6000 radios. 723/6000 is 0.1205. So a typical tower is going to cover just over a tenth of a square mile, which is less than 2000 feet on a side. Unless you are flying pretty low, you aren't going to get much of a signal.

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  7. Pointless.... by porkThreeWays · · Score: 4, Insightful

    City/countywide 802.11 a/b/g is POINTLESS!!!! I really don't understand why all this money and resources is being spent on it. They have horrible range and were never meant to cover an area this big, so you have to buy an insane amount of AP's to get decent coverage. I bet when all is said and done they end up with 8,000 AP's and the project ends up costing a few hundred thousand dollars. On top of that, constant maintaince that ends up not making it economically viable.

    Calm down with the citywide wireless. I know WiMax have been dragging their feet, but my guess is by 2009 we'll have usable WiMax that is ready for city wide deployment. You are going to waste all this time and money now, so that in 3 years you are superceeded by WiMax (which will do the job better and have less maintaince). Hot spots are fine. If you want to drop 200 access points around the county to get some coverage for popular places, that's ok. 200 access points would probably be viable. 6,000 (or in reality 8,000) aren't.

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    1. Re:Pointless.... by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sometimes it's worth it to go for broke at the start. You can assume that the Slashdotters know what working free countywide net access could mean, but it's not until it's there and usable that the general population will learn its advantages. After that, when WiMax or whatever else comes along to supercede 802.11 becomes viable and cheap enough, Average Joe and the Sixpack family will be more willing to support the upgrades (through taxes or otherwise) since they'll have been grooving on the WiFi for a while and will be receptive to a better version.

      Imagine if they'd held off building any telegraph networks in the 19th Century, on basis that it would be just a matter of time before a voice-transmission network could be done instead.

  8. Re:Washtenaw's neighbor, Oalkand County tried this by andrewman327 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I think it is the free plan that has the ISPs worried. Even though 85kbps is no good for VOIP and video streaming, it is more than sufficient for the average Internet user. You can check your e-mail, send instant messages, and browse the headlines at that speed.


    This could also negatively impact the adoption of high speed cellular data networks, which are becoming popular with businesses.

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  9. Re:Always eay to spend someone else's money. by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People are acting like the money is free. Trouble is a great many people in that county are going to be taxed for a service that a good number will never get to use.

    So? A great many people never go down to the public parks, or use the public baseball fields or drive on that county road out in the middle of farm country. The question is not whether everyone will use it, but whether the benefit to the people will be greater than the expense. Will the people benefit by the increased tourism, real estate sales, and reduced cost to local businesses this will provide even if they don't use it directly? It seems likely.

    Sorry, if even one trailer exist at a local school it should the first thing addressed.

    The public schools in Washtenaw country are well funded.

    Quit diverting money from projects already starved of cash.

    What projects would those be that people want more?

    Internet access at reasonable speeds in Washtenaw county as in many places is provided by the Cable company ($60/month) or the phone company (DSL is $70/month). These outrageous prices hurt everyone. I'm happy the county is instituting public wireless. It saves me money and my neighbors' money and local businesses' money. The general public may not need internet access, but they don't need parks either. The public does want it and so do the businesses. It will almost certainly be cheaper than the current system. I'd rather some of my tax dollars were wasted subsidizing internet access for the poor and those in more rural areas than help fund the monopoly telecos that are bleeding me for money now.