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The 'Truth in Videogame Rating' Act

The Escapist News Room reports on the introduction of the Truth in Videogame Ratings act to the floor of Congress. The act would require ratings boards to entirely complete the content of a videogame before applying a rating, and would involve the Government Accountability Office to oversee the ESRB's practices. This is a big change from the current system of developer disclosure. From the article: "Under the microscope would be the ESRB's effectiveness, the validity of peer review and advertisements targeted toward ages younger than a game's recommended audience. Less specific to the ESRB, the bill would also require research on 'the efficacy of a universal ratings system for visual content, including films, broadcast and cable TV, and video and computer games.' Game Politics notes that Co-Sponsors Rep. Jim Matheson (D-UT) and Rep. Mike McIntyre (D-NC) are up for re-election this November along with Congressman Cliff Stearns."

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  1. hmmm.... by ZephyrXero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm actually all for the ESRB actually being required to play the games they rate. I always thought it was silly for them to just watch an abreviated video of the game and then come up with a rating somehow. Although, on the negative side, this could easily raise the cost of getting your game rated.

    What I'm particularly worried about is this government agency "over seeing" the ratings... nothing good will come from that, at least not from our current government...

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    1. Re:hmmm.... by badasscat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The ESRP exists to give an opinion of what the game should be rated. This rating carries with it the force of law.

      Ummm.

      First, it's the ESRB. I could excuse this as a simple typo but for the second sentence above, where you clearly demonstrate that you do not even know what the ESRB is.

      The ESRB is a voluntary ratings and regulatory organization set up by the games industry itself. It carries no force of law, nor is it beholden to any governmental agency. Therefore, requiring the board to play through all the games it rates to completion would likely do one thing: force it out of business. This is not an agency you can dictate to regarding their operations. It is a private organization.

      Yes, they should have to play through the entire fucking thing. I fail to see how this is anything but immediately obvious.

      GTA Vice City, to pick but one example, was more than 100 hours long if you played the "entire" thing through (including side missions). Multiply that by the number of games that come out every week and you tell me how many people would need to be on the ESRB payroll.

      You're basically talking about creating a new and massive government bureacracy for one thing - to rate video games. This is how you want your tax dollars spent? Because the ESRB is not going to spend this money, nor do they have to.

  2. So what problem are we fixing? by Crussy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many games are rated M for mature to begin with and nearly nobody follows that rule. Parents will do what they're going to do anyway, and most of the time it will be buying children these games, just like they watch rated R movies with them. So where's the problem? If a parent deems his child mature enough to watch a certain movie or play a certain game, that is their call. The babysitting that the government is doing is becoming unrealistic. Enough of this "but think about the children" We've thought about the children, parents everyday think about their children and they are the ones best to judge who gets to play what. When it all comes down to it, whether a game is 14+ or 15+ or 14.75+ will not matter, only what the parent thinks at the time of the purchase.

    There are much more pressing issues in our country than these childish laws.

    1. Re:So what problem are we fixing? by Incoherent07 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      See, you've got it all wrong. If we blame the parents, they won't vote for us in November, because they think we're insulting their ability to raise their children. But if we shift the blame to others, then all the parents can feel good about how we're protecting their children, and continue to ignore the ratings as before. After all, video gamers themselves are predominantly young, which means either they can't or won't vote, so we're free to alienate them for political gain. As such, blaming the ESRB and the evil gaming lobby trying to corrupt our children is entirely the right course of action.

      In other words, I agree completely with everything you said, but you make a problematic assumption that logic even applies here.

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  3. Two sides, one coin. by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful
    > Co-Sponsors Rep. Jim Matheson (D-UT) and Rep. Mike McIntyre (D-NC)

    Bolded for emphasis.

    Republicans want to censor video games because they're afraid of boobies. Democrats want to censor video games because they're afraid of guns.

    All citizens accomplish when they switch their vote between the Elephant and Jackass wings of the Party is ensure that a different set of freedoms is eliminated for the children, because if it saves just one life...

    1. Re:Two sides, one coin. by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jim Matheson and Mike McIntyre want to censor video games. So vote out Jim Matheson and Mike McIntyre. Quit voting for or against groups and maybe we could get some decent individuals.

    2. Re:Two sides, one coin. by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Insightful
      > Jim Matheson and Mike McIntyre want to censor video games. So vote out Jim Matheson and Mike McIntyre. Quit voting for or against groups and maybe we could get some decent individuals.

      Catch-22. Old bureacracies never die, they just change the names on the org charts. Once upon a time, the Jackasses were for segregation, and the Elephants were for civil rights. Once upon a time the Elephants wanted smaller government, and the Jackasses wanted a bigger government.

      Suppose we abolished all political parties. The country would still be full of individuals who fear boobies, and individuals who fear guns.

      Even if 80% of the country doesn't give a damn one way or the other, but the 10% who fear guns would find folks like Matheson and McIntyre, who would become part of the WeHateGuns party, and the 10% who fear boobies would do the same, forming a WeHateBoobies party. The 80% who don't give a damn aren't going to form a WeLikeFreedom party, because they don't give a damn about that either. (And because the first thing a WeLikeFreedom party would do after getting elected would be... nothing, and who the hell wants to invest a million bucks in funding the campaign of a guy who won't pass a law that gives your industry a few tens of millions in return?)

      Eventually, the No Guns Party would pick an animal as a mascot, and so would the No Boobs Party. They'd probably come up with better names. They might even adopt the name and mascot of an old party. Maybe something like this has happened before. Maybe it's happened before more than once.

  4. Re:And it still wouldn't have helped by Hope+Thelps · · Score: 3, Funny
    Are they expected to just complete it? Or complete it with 100% scores?

    Every possible combination in chess games. Should take them a while ;)
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  5. Unconstitutional by sqlrob · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Government enforcement of third party ratings have already been thrown out as violation of due process.

    1. Re:Unconstitutional by illspirit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is worse. On top of the standard Fourteenth Amendment problems, It pretty much violates the whole first article of the Constitution by delegating power of all three branches of government to a private entity. It would give Legislative power to the ESRB by allowing them to decide what content is "legal," Executive power in the form of law enforcement/investigation, and Judicial power by letting them judge/fine any violations.

      Furthermore, by making the ESRB an agent of the state, it would violate the Fourth Amendment by forcing developers to submit to searches without probable cause to suspect that they "hid" content. Seeing as the goal is to prevent another Hot Coffee, the act would inevtiably require source code and such to be submitted. Which is a very private thing to most game developers.

      Thus, it also violates the Fifth, as it would force developers to incriminate themselves.

      Next up, it violates the Sixth, as reverse engineering or searching through a game's data files is anything but a "speedy trial." It took us around four months to find the first bits of Hot Coffee, and we had three years of experience working with the engine. Had it been a brand new engine, it could have taken us a year. Now imagine the ESRB having to learn how to pick apart 1000+ games a year...

      Finally it also violates the Seventh Amendment, as the ESRB is not a jury. Might also violate the Eighth, because the whole thing is rather excessive and unusual.

  6. Re:And it still wouldn't have helped by Tsiangkun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems completely unreasonable to expect them to complete the game, let alone 100% the game.

    We can't even get our government to read the complete text of the bills on which they are voting !

    Maybe we should ask the government for that piece of legislation first.

    Dear Congress Citter

              Please make it treason to undermine the credibility of our nation by voting
              on a bill without having read and comprehended the complete text first.

    Thx,
    Jim


    And then the guy has the balls to continue with a statement on ratings which mislead the buyer as to the game content.
    Patriot Act, Protection of Marriage Act, Operation Enduring Freedom, etc etc etc.

  7. Movie Ratings? by Other+Than+That... · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are movie ratings subject to government oversight?

  8. And that would solve? by nick_davison · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The act would require ratings boards to entirely complete the content of a videogame before applying a rating, and would involve the Government Accountability Office to oversee the ESRB's practices.

    The only two cases anyone has really heard about were:

    GTA3 (Hot Coffee) - You could play the game end to end, taking any path you liked, and never see it. It was locked content that got unlocked only through a hack.

    Oblivion (topless textures) - You could also play this one end to end, as it was released, and have absolutely no way of seeing the textures. It was only through a mod to the game that they became available.

    The Sims 2 (removing pixelation) - Not one I really count because no one's made much of a fuss but a console command will remove pixelation, revealing naked sims (to the degree of a Barbie doll). Again, not one that playing end to end would identify.

    So, brilliantly, they've ensured the ESRB will play each game end to end and achieve... uh... well, nothing. Even played end to end, not a single one of the above cases would have come to light.

    About the only case they could claim is Oblivion's "increased violence". To be fair though, this one was purely political when they were trying to justify seeming outraged (in order to placate politicians) over the nudity. The game doesn't get any more violent, there's no more blood nor more gore. It was also already rated with bullets for blood, gore and violence as part of the teen rating. The sad truth is, the topless nudity, only unlockable via a mod, really wasn't a good enough justification to demand a re-rating to Mature (which, politically, the ESRB needed to be seen to be doing) so they bundled in claims the game felt more violent than initially reported to try justifying it.

    This also doesn't address the fundamentally forking nature of videogames. No one playthrough shows you everything - if it did, QA departments would consist of a single guy who works short hours. To play a game like GTA end-to-end takes anywhere from maybe 20-100 hours depending on how many side missions you take. Complete every mission, interact with every character in every way possible, jump your car off every ramp to see if you can crash through every building (who knows, you might be able to say see up someone's skirt if you get inside a building's mesh) and you're looking at tens of thousands of hours worth of work.

    And that's while AI is pretty retarded. God forbid we actually develop decent AI any time soon (then again, if we can't get real intelligence in Congress, what hope do we have for the artificial kind in games). What'll happen when characters in games start learning from your interactions with them? What happens when a glitch in AI causes players who play one particularly obscure way causes creatures in Spore to learn that "giving head" is how you mate? What happens when intelligent human NPCs develop their own dialog and, thanks to your potty mouth, start learning some truly inappropriate conversational techniques? Or even totally appropriate ones that just get taken out of context?...

    Imagine talking to an NPC helper who's helping you build a robot."
    "Now pass me the arm."
    "I don't want to give you [arm]."
    "Fine, what do you want to give me?"
    "I want to give you [head]"
    "I like arm?"

    In short, videogames branch - there's no way you can review end to end and catch everything. And, even if you could, the examples everyone talks about weren't available in regular end-to-end play anyway.

    1. Re:And that would solve? by TheSpoom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Amen.

      It's generally easier to ship them separately on disk anyway; put whatever encryption on it you like, if the game is able to read it, a careful following of the execution instructions in RAM will reveal how to decrypt the art / music / sound / what-have-you files, which will allow anyone to change them.

      You can't hold developers responsible for what third party mods add / change in their programs.

      But I think that's just a misunderstanding that the grandparent had about the review process; if the ESRB reviews games in an as-shipped form, third party mods won't matter anyway. Here's what annoys me though: that the government is so concerned about things like removing blurryness where there's no actual nudity beneath anyway (Sims / Sims 2). It's not that big a deal, dammit! If the game truly deserves it (and the only case I can think of is GTA: SA, but even that's just borderline), rebrand it to a higher rating and move on. Get retailers to stick M stickers over the T rating before they put them on shelves.

      The government should be concerned about more important things, like, I don't know, fixing what they started in Iraq, for example.

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  9. Re:Libertarian Party by LGagnon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When Libertarians want to take away our public education, welfare (which protects us from a proletariat revolt ala the Russian Revolution), and other public services, there's an obvious reason why nobody who knows politics votes for them.

  10. Rate books by Mr_Blank · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The ratings system for TV, movies, music, and video games is all baloney.

        First of all, only the parent can determine what is offensive. Who can say what porn is? Is Janet Jackson flashing porn? How about a naked David sculpture? How about watching to monkeys get it on at the zoo? If a 2 frame flash of boob gives a TV show one rating, and 30 seconds of hot monkey sex gives another show another rating then that is whacky.

        Second, there are not enough raters to rate everything on the same standard. If every game has to be rated, then I feel bad for the rater that gets the short straw and has to play every possible path in Chessmaster XX. If Grand Theft Auto has to have every scenario played just to be sure the princess pole dancers keep their skirts on, then Chessmaster should get the same treatment to make sure the queen doesn't get molested by a frisky knight.

        Third, only the parent can keep material away from a child. Ratings or no ratings, parent's are the only ones with a shot at keeping stuff away from their kids. Look at cigarettes. Kids are not supposed to smoke. Everyone agrees which cigarettes are not supposed to smoke. All the merchants are told not to sell tabacco to kids. Yet, any day of the week you can drive by most highschools in the US and see kids outside smoking. If something as "black and white" (relatively) as tabacco can't be kept out of the hands of kids, then why all the hubbub over video games, movies, etc?

        Tangent: Why don't books come with ratings? There are tens of thousands of books published every year. If protecting the children is so important, then shouldn't all illicit material get stampped M for mature, P for pansy, etc? Sounds whacky to apply it to books, so why apply it to other knowledge/entertainment mediums? If anyone wants to sound really stupid try the line of thought that says games are for kids and books are not.

        My solution: Leave rating entirely in the hands of NGOs (non government organizations). Let the MPAA and ESRB rate stuff. If parent's want to heed the rating advice fine. If not, so what. If some parent's do not like the standards used by those organizations, then use an organization that is tougher/easier as desired. www.screenit.com for movies for instance. Or a parent could watch/listen/play/read everything before letting their kids at it. It sounds crazy, but some parent's do it. Surely the government has better things to do than try to censure material from kids.