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The 'Truth in Videogame Rating' Act

The Escapist News Room reports on the introduction of the Truth in Videogame Ratings act to the floor of Congress. The act would require ratings boards to entirely complete the content of a videogame before applying a rating, and would involve the Government Accountability Office to oversee the ESRB's practices. This is a big change from the current system of developer disclosure. From the article: "Under the microscope would be the ESRB's effectiveness, the validity of peer review and advertisements targeted toward ages younger than a game's recommended audience. Less specific to the ESRB, the bill would also require research on 'the efficacy of a universal ratings system for visual content, including films, broadcast and cable TV, and video and computer games.' Game Politics notes that Co-Sponsors Rep. Jim Matheson (D-UT) and Rep. Mike McIntyre (D-NC) are up for re-election this November along with Congressman Cliff Stearns."

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  1. hmmm.... by ZephyrXero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm actually all for the ESRB actually being required to play the games they rate. I always thought it was silly for them to just watch an abreviated video of the game and then come up with a rating somehow. Although, on the negative side, this could easily raise the cost of getting your game rated.

    What I'm particularly worried about is this government agency "over seeing" the ratings... nothing good will come from that, at least not from our current government...

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    "A truly wise man realizes he knows nothing."
    1. Re:hmmm.... by badasscat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The ESRP exists to give an opinion of what the game should be rated. This rating carries with it the force of law.

      Ummm.

      First, it's the ESRB. I could excuse this as a simple typo but for the second sentence above, where you clearly demonstrate that you do not even know what the ESRB is.

      The ESRB is a voluntary ratings and regulatory organization set up by the games industry itself. It carries no force of law, nor is it beholden to any governmental agency. Therefore, requiring the board to play through all the games it rates to completion would likely do one thing: force it out of business. This is not an agency you can dictate to regarding their operations. It is a private organization.

      Yes, they should have to play through the entire fucking thing. I fail to see how this is anything but immediately obvious.

      GTA Vice City, to pick but one example, was more than 100 hours long if you played the "entire" thing through (including side missions). Multiply that by the number of games that come out every week and you tell me how many people would need to be on the ESRB payroll.

      You're basically talking about creating a new and massive government bureacracy for one thing - to rate video games. This is how you want your tax dollars spent? Because the ESRB is not going to spend this money, nor do they have to.

  2. So what problem are we fixing? by Crussy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many games are rated M for mature to begin with and nearly nobody follows that rule. Parents will do what they're going to do anyway, and most of the time it will be buying children these games, just like they watch rated R movies with them. So where's the problem? If a parent deems his child mature enough to watch a certain movie or play a certain game, that is their call. The babysitting that the government is doing is becoming unrealistic. Enough of this "but think about the children" We've thought about the children, parents everyday think about their children and they are the ones best to judge who gets to play what. When it all comes down to it, whether a game is 14+ or 15+ or 14.75+ will not matter, only what the parent thinks at the time of the purchase.

    There are much more pressing issues in our country than these childish laws.

    1. Re:So what problem are we fixing? by Incoherent07 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      See, you've got it all wrong. If we blame the parents, they won't vote for us in November, because they think we're insulting their ability to raise their children. But if we shift the blame to others, then all the parents can feel good about how we're protecting their children, and continue to ignore the ratings as before. After all, video gamers themselves are predominantly young, which means either they can't or won't vote, so we're free to alienate them for political gain. As such, blaming the ESRB and the evil gaming lobby trying to corrupt our children is entirely the right course of action.

      In other words, I agree completely with everything you said, but you make a problematic assumption that logic even applies here.

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  3. Two sides, one coin. by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful
    > Co-Sponsors Rep. Jim Matheson (D-UT) and Rep. Mike McIntyre (D-NC)

    Bolded for emphasis.

    Republicans want to censor video games because they're afraid of boobies. Democrats want to censor video games because they're afraid of guns.

    All citizens accomplish when they switch their vote between the Elephant and Jackass wings of the Party is ensure that a different set of freedoms is eliminated for the children, because if it saves just one life...

    1. Re:Two sides, one coin. by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jim Matheson and Mike McIntyre want to censor video games. So vote out Jim Matheson and Mike McIntyre. Quit voting for or against groups and maybe we could get some decent individuals.

  4. Unconstitutional by sqlrob · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Government enforcement of third party ratings have already been thrown out as violation of due process.

  5. Re:And it still wouldn't have helped by Tsiangkun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems completely unreasonable to expect them to complete the game, let alone 100% the game.

    We can't even get our government to read the complete text of the bills on which they are voting !

    Maybe we should ask the government for that piece of legislation first.

    Dear Congress Citter

              Please make it treason to undermine the credibility of our nation by voting
              on a bill without having read and comprehended the complete text first.

    Thx,
    Jim


    And then the guy has the balls to continue with a statement on ratings which mislead the buyer as to the game content.
    Patriot Act, Protection of Marriage Act, Operation Enduring Freedom, etc etc etc.

  6. And that would solve? by nick_davison · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The act would require ratings boards to entirely complete the content of a videogame before applying a rating, and would involve the Government Accountability Office to oversee the ESRB's practices.

    The only two cases anyone has really heard about were:

    GTA3 (Hot Coffee) - You could play the game end to end, taking any path you liked, and never see it. It was locked content that got unlocked only through a hack.

    Oblivion (topless textures) - You could also play this one end to end, as it was released, and have absolutely no way of seeing the textures. It was only through a mod to the game that they became available.

    The Sims 2 (removing pixelation) - Not one I really count because no one's made much of a fuss but a console command will remove pixelation, revealing naked sims (to the degree of a Barbie doll). Again, not one that playing end to end would identify.

    So, brilliantly, they've ensured the ESRB will play each game end to end and achieve... uh... well, nothing. Even played end to end, not a single one of the above cases would have come to light.

    About the only case they could claim is Oblivion's "increased violence". To be fair though, this one was purely political when they were trying to justify seeming outraged (in order to placate politicians) over the nudity. The game doesn't get any more violent, there's no more blood nor more gore. It was also already rated with bullets for blood, gore and violence as part of the teen rating. The sad truth is, the topless nudity, only unlockable via a mod, really wasn't a good enough justification to demand a re-rating to Mature (which, politically, the ESRB needed to be seen to be doing) so they bundled in claims the game felt more violent than initially reported to try justifying it.

    This also doesn't address the fundamentally forking nature of videogames. No one playthrough shows you everything - if it did, QA departments would consist of a single guy who works short hours. To play a game like GTA end-to-end takes anywhere from maybe 20-100 hours depending on how many side missions you take. Complete every mission, interact with every character in every way possible, jump your car off every ramp to see if you can crash through every building (who knows, you might be able to say see up someone's skirt if you get inside a building's mesh) and you're looking at tens of thousands of hours worth of work.

    And that's while AI is pretty retarded. God forbid we actually develop decent AI any time soon (then again, if we can't get real intelligence in Congress, what hope do we have for the artificial kind in games). What'll happen when characters in games start learning from your interactions with them? What happens when a glitch in AI causes players who play one particularly obscure way causes creatures in Spore to learn that "giving head" is how you mate? What happens when intelligent human NPCs develop their own dialog and, thanks to your potty mouth, start learning some truly inappropriate conversational techniques? Or even totally appropriate ones that just get taken out of context?...

    Imagine talking to an NPC helper who's helping you build a robot."
    "Now pass me the arm."
    "I don't want to give you [arm]."
    "Fine, what do you want to give me?"
    "I want to give you [head]"
    "I like arm?"

    In short, videogames branch - there's no way you can review end to end and catch everything. And, even if you could, the examples everyone talks about weren't available in regular end-to-end play anyway.

  7. Re:Libertarian Party by LGagnon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When Libertarians want to take away our public education, welfare (which protects us from a proletariat revolt ala the Russian Revolution), and other public services, there's an obvious reason why nobody who knows politics votes for them.