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Google Releases Analysis of Click-Fraud Detection
fragmentate writes "This morning Google released information about their analysis of the exaggerated click-fraud numbers. Without pointing fingers, they mention that click-fraud analysis companies need to clean up their methods. From the post, 'A rigorous technical analysis by Google engineers has found fundamental flaws in the work of several click fraud consultants - flaws that help explain why widely quoted estimates of the size of the click fraud problem are exaggerated.' They even point out some obvious shortcomings of the methods used. The entire report [PDF] is available with their complete analysis."
We have seen some instances of reports showing 1.5 times the number of clicks in our logs - for example, in one case 1,278 clicks were claimed as being "fraudulent" by the consultant while only 850 actually even appeared as clicks in Google's logs.
So how many total clicks did they claim to get including the fraudulent ones? Or are they claming >100% were fake, heh.
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It takes a set of balls a mile wide for Google to throw out this report that basically says "If you had access to our secret click data, you'd know how completely wrong you are about clickfraud." "Oh, I'm sorry, you don't have access to our secret click data? Tough shit."
Look- Google could end the entire debate over clickfraud and the clickfraud detecting companies by doing one thing- for every click, tell the advertiser/publisher the IP and time of the click. That's it. That's all. They won't do it in a million years, though, not until government regulation starts to force some kind of auditing- like that which exists in every other advertising media on planet earth. (tv, radio, magazines, newspapers)
Remember how Google just recently admitted that they charged advertisers for two valid clicks whenever they "doubleclicked" on an ad? They kept doing that practice from 2003 until march of 2005. They raked in tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars in illicit profits, none of which they are going to return. If Google had been giving out IP and time data back then, independent parties could have spotted what Google was up to immediately and you can be damn sure the practice would have stopped a lot sooner.
Oh BTW- I know Google likes to use the "user privacy" as a reason not to reveal IPs to advertisers. But that excuse falls completely short since both the publishing website AND the advertiser both already should be seeing that IP in their own server logs. The only reason Google refuses to attach IPs to clicks is because it would allow people to see things like the doubleclick scam, or see that their clicks are coming from a country who can't even read the language of their advertisement, etc etc.
Google, stop issuing these stupid public relation stunt "studies" saying how all the clickfraud detection companies are barking up the wrong tree when it is YOUR FAULT for not releasing data that could let people do an accurate job of keeping you in line.
I know it's fun not being accountable to anyone, but Google my friend, you only get to pull that stunt as long as you're a monopoly. Eventually, with increased competition from yahoo and microsoft, you'll actually have to start treating your business partners with some modicum of respect.
500K / (2M * .9)
Wow! 28% of revenue is for adwords? What the heck are you selling?
Just curious...
I ran adsense on a couple of gaming sites I'm responsible for, and my account got suspended (well, more or less I got suspended permanently since they can block me via tons of the personal info they had with my registration). I went through their appeals process and, after a long wait, got a canned response. Nobody was taking the time to personally investigate anything in the appeals, or at least it felt this way. I had logs and lots of other information and background, as well as a compromise to pull the ads from those sites and preserve a good record (aka working account) for future use. I had been planning some new major sites that would use adsense as a major revenue channel (via legit means, not some "omg click and get a free ipod" thing), but they apparently trust no one. Parent post was correct in saying that they seem to just point and close any accounts with a hint of odd activity without thinking twice, since they have thousands (millions?) of other sources of trickle income to them. I'm not a google fanboy, but I'm a strong supporter. This experience is the single, but very large, mar on their reputation, as far as I'm concerned. ... Oh, and also that nonsense with MySpace, but business is business I suppose.
Sorry for the newbie-question, I'm not someone who uses adsense.
Can't this 'fraud' be detected through log analysis (referrers, refearing search phrases, etc)? I would think that you could also configure adsense to link to a specific page (yoursite.com/adsense.php), and monitor it that way.
Am I way off base here?
I seem to remember years ago people talking about how banner ads and pay-per-click just don't work. What happened? Is Adsense really that effective? People I talk to hardly even notice the text ads, much less click on them. No, this isn't one of those "I never click on an ad" rants. I'm really curious here. What has really changed besides a little targetting?
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My gut feeling is that Google is scamming the world. They took a model that was broken, applied some superficial "fixes" to it and got everyone to believe that banner/text ads are "in" again. Meanwhile, they hide all of their logs in the name of privacy so nobody can really tell who is clicking on what. I would not be at all surprised if 'net advertising has become like email is today... 80% fraud and junk. I trust the consultants over the companies (Google) who have an interest in protecting they're primary source of income. But that is just my gut feeling. The facts could be completely different.
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There's a piece of software available from http://www.adlogger.org/ that tracks all the clicks to ads, as well as page impressions, IP addresses. It's fairly comprehensive.
I run AdSense on my (Open Source) camchat-site, and so far Google has always paid up nice and on time.
Not saying that they may not be closing accounts without proper reason, but they are certainly NOT closing accounts as some kind of evil strategy.
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Capitalism is quickly becoming just as inefficent as communism once were. As companies has dicovered that advertising/marketing is far better at selling products than quality or even price. It is an armsrace that is very costly for society.
Just look at tv advertising. 2.5 hours per day times 17minutes is over 40 minutes per day. Using a salary of $10, and assuming only half of advertising time is wasted time for the watcher (The rest is spent going to the toilet), that makes $100 wasted per month and person. Free time should also be valued more than work time (otherwise the optimal decision would be to work more).
What I have pointed at right now is just the direct cost to society because people are watching advertising instead of doing something they find more fun. Other costs are, production of advertisment, paying telephone marketers and of course the hidden cost of "uninforming" the consumer, which is very damaging in a market economy that relies informed consumers.
And saying that tv advertising is needed or otherwise it would costs more for cable, is just using the broken window fallacy. If advertising didn't exist, the products would be cheaper and the money you saved could be spent on the more expensive cable.