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The Doom of Wired Peripherals

techie writes "Is the doom of wired peripherals near? According to an article on CoolTechZone.com, it sure seems that way and Apple is leading the way. Quote: "Device cables are becoming a thing of the past, and that development couldn't come soon enough. We're ready to unplug, and we want to make the most of it. Apple has recognized this desire for consolidation and the benefits of a wireless lifestyle, and they've reacted effectively. When the iMac was first introduced, people went gaga over the fact that the monitor, computer, and speakers were all in one enclosure, thus eliminating the need for two bulky pieces of hardware and multiple cables. Just when you thought that was incredible enough, WiFi comes along and gives us blazingly fast Internet connections through the air, and Bluetooth rises up to allow all of our devices to sync with one another and the operating system without any wires."

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  1. Not quite by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll jump on the bandwagon when we can get rid of the power cable. When is power over wireless coming to computer peripherals?

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    1. Re:Not quite by Random+Destruction · · Score: 5, Funny

      Indeed, my electric toothbrush has used this technology for years.
      Get with the times, Apple and others.

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    2. Re:Not quite by discord5 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can see the headlines already: Mankind Harnasses Power of Lightning Operating computers may be dangerous to your health

    3. Re:Not quite by Cyphax · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can't wait until all my electrical devices can be powered via wireless electricity. It'll just suck if you accidentally get in the way of the electricity. The TV will go black, and you'll get electrocuted. Possibly the rest of your household will find the latter more entertaining, and it also works great against burglars if your setup is any strategical (TV by one window, stereo by another, and so on). There, the drawbacks already negated.

    4. Re:Not quite by og-emmet · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I'll jump on the bandwagon when we can get rid of the power cable.


      Douglas Adams (yes, that Douglas Admas) wrote a piece called "Dongly Things" (it's a bit dated). He agrees with you.

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    5. Re:Not quite by mcsynk · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Tesla had a plan to broadcast electricity a hundred years ago!

      peace
      Synk

    6. Re:Not quite by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Informative
      Why it's already here, of course.

      -Eric

      Any site named "thinkgeek" must be accurate, right?

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    7. Re:Not quite by andrewman327 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Remember, your computer must be traveling at exactly 88 miles per hour for it to work!

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    8. Re:Not quite by yuktar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'll jump on the bandwagon when we can get rid of the power cable. When is power over wireless coming to computer peripherals?

      A few years ago I read about a technology that does intend to get rid of the power cables. It's a mat you can plug in and then place on the desk. Any compatible device placed on top of the mat is then able to draw power directly from that. The interesting thing is that you can place several devices on it at once, each one draws the appropriate voltage and current for its operation, and the whole thing is safe for you to put your hands on. The last I heard, there was already a small version for sale (maybe 12x12 inches) and you could also get simple conversion kits for devices like phones and music players, so that you could charge them up by just placing them on the mat.

      Ah ha! I found it, the MobileWise Wire-Free Electric Power: ABC news story, another link, and one more. The company's website (mobilewise.com) appears to be something else entirely now, though.

    9. Re:Not quite by russ1337 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I too, look foward to the gigantic electric and magnetic induction fields.... while damage to cells from mobile-phones is 'inconclusive', the large electric and magnetic fields required to wirelessly transmit 500 watts to your alienware might cause that mutation i'm after...

    10. Re:Not quite by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ah yes, I will always love Mr. Tesla's comment to another much more famous inventor, which I'm paraphrasing.

      If Mr. Edison thought a little harder, maybe he wouldn't perspire so much.

      Tesla never got the credit he deserved... sometimes the world needs wild-eyed visionaries.

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    11. Re:Not quite by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not exactly wireless... Yes, the toothbrush and the power supply ARE physically isolated, but essentially it is done by making the toothbrush and its power supply each half of a standard transformer.

      Let's just say that as soon as the coils of the transformer are no longer actually *inside* of each other as they are in such electric toothbrushes, efficiency goes way down. Also in the case of those electric toothbrushes, efficiency was way down to begin with. I used to have one of those, it was a perfect example of inductive heating...

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    12. Re:Not quite by DanHibiki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "warning - Don't place near water"
      but... Iam mostly water!

    13. Re:Not quite by Loconut1389 · · Score: 5, Funny

      brings new meaning to "Alienware", doesn't it?

    14. Re:Not quite by Shadowmist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the major problem would be the bloody inefficiency. In a world with shrinking oil supplies and surging energy prices do we need something that would be at beast about 10 percent efficient in transmitting electricity?

      I've passed on wireless keyboards and mice mainly because I don't want to generate more battery waste which ranks up there as among the most offensive types of garbage we accumulate.

    15. Re:Not quite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'll jump on the bandwagon when we can get rid of the power cable. When is power over wireless coming to computer peripherals?


      Exactly.

      This slashvertisement was brought to you by Duracell and Energizer. I like having cords on my keyboard and mouse, I'd rather not have the batteries die at critical moments thank you very much.

      I'll accept wireless networking when it has the signal integrity of coaxial copper or optical fiber. I'm pretty sure that will never happen.

      Wireless technologies are a gimmick for the lazy home consumer who has too much money to spend on frivolity.
    16. Re:Not quite by Overd0g · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You should check out a new cutting edge technology called "rechargeable batteries".

    17. Re:Not quite by Random+Destruction · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It was a joke. Apparently the mods didn't get it. Ah well, insightful is better for karma anyway.

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    18. Re:Not quite by GigsVT · · Score: 3, Informative

      I hope you don't design surge supressors for a living. You really fucked up that math.

      Once the plasma path is established it's very low resistance. The surge is several hundred thousand to million amps. It's more like 10-200 megawatts. A big strike might be a gigawatt.

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  2. Had a wireless mouse... by geeber · · Score: 4, Informative

    and then I got rid of it.

    Fricken' batteries dieing all the time. Who needs it?

    1. Re:Had a wireless mouse... by MindStalker · · Score: 4, Informative

      Get one that includes a base charger, you just stick it on the base at night.
      Also some of the new wireless none charging mice last months on a set of batteries. You can generally see the charge stats on the product description page.
      Watch out for wireless keyboards as well, some of em last months one I recently accidently bought for the office last less than a week.

    2. Re:Had a wireless mouse... by aonaran · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've got a logitech one with a nice little recharging stand. I stick the mouse in the recharging stand whenever I think to do so (it goes about 2 weeks for me without recharging) and the keyboard works on regular AA batteries, which I haven't ever had to change in over a year of use.

      Having the convenience of being able to use the keyboard and mouse in more casual positions, like leaning back in the chair with the keyboard in my lap, without worrying about the mess of cables is worth having to remember to stick the mouse on the charger once in a while.

      I had a Microsoft cordless before that and I hated it, and I'm usually a big fan of microsft mice.

    3. Re:Had a wireless mouse... by LocoMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agree there... we have one wireless mouse at work and we end up changing its batteries a LOT...one more thing to buy batteries for isn't exactly my idea of progress... :)

      Well, that, and knowing how I am with the TV remote control, I'd end up tearing apart my room trying to find a mouse that most likely found its way to the fridge... :)

    4. Re:Had a wireless mouse... by Amouth · · Score: 5, Informative

      i got the Logitech diNovo - great mouse/keyboard set - it isn't the blue tooth version and i get about 6 months on the keyboard and about 1 1/2 months on the mouse.. and i use it 8 hours a day 6 days a week. (note that i use monster 2150 mAh rechargable battries.. normaly ones suck)

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    5. Re:Had a wireless mouse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Got to agree - I have had a wired optical mouse sitting at this desk for 3 years and I have never had to even bother with it. Changing batteries every month - sod that. And before anyone mentions rechargeable batteries with a dock unit - rechargeable capacities decrease and eventually die.

      The throwaway culture takes another step forward for nothing but sheer and utter laziness of humans.

    6. Re:Had a wireless mouse... by osgeek · · Score: 2

      That's the key that I've only seen Logitech truly grasp at this point, the recharging base. You need a nice small convenient one for every device you have, including your keyboard.

      Built-in bluetooth in your laptop and all peripherals, then easy recharging bases with quality batteries. Manufacturers who get all three of those points will have my business.

    7. Re:Had a wireless mouse... by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Funny
      I had a wireless mouse

      He lived in a wireless house

      He had a wireless wife

      Who lived a wireless life

      He had a wireless son

      Who had much wireless fun

      He typed 1000 lines

      To produce this stupid rhyme

      -Eric

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    8. Re:Had a wireless mouse... by Excors · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've got an MX1000 (which is really quite nice, and I even use it left-handed) which recharges when you stick it in the base station. The only problem is that I now have two cables, where a wired mouse would have one – there's the USB from the base station to the computer, plus a power cable from the wall to the base station. It doesn't help the tangled-cables-under-the-desk problem at all. But it's far more practical than a wired mouse for clubbing people on the head.

    9. Re:Had a wireless mouse... by Amouth · · Score: 3, Informative

      NiMH do have a 1% per day natural discharge.. but that is proportional to the current charge..

      so 100%-1% 99%-.99% 98.01%-.9801% 97.0299%-.970299% ....

      it is like the problem of getting half way to a point every day - you never get there.. sure the batteries will get to a zero state but it will take a lot longer than you think.. It isn't voodoo magic it is just real life. and the quality of the battery really makes a difference

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  3. The paranoid still want wires. by xzvf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Personally I'd rather have my house wired with Cat 5 than setup an access point. Besides, if I want wireless, there are 5-6 of the free linksys ssid's near by.

    1. Re:The paranoid still want wires. by discord5 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Besides, if I want wireless, there are 5-6 of the free linksys ssid's near by.

      Oh hi neighbour... I was checking my network traffic yesterday, and I just want to ask you one thing: sexyponies.com ?

  4. Which is all great... by Spad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Until your batteries die, or your devices start to interfere with eachother, or you realise that your "Blazingly fast" wireless internet is actually pretty slow and becomes very slow as soon as anything gets between you and your access point.

    Wireless "everything" is hugely overhyped. Yes, a wireless mouse is nice because it doesn't snag, but why do I need a wireless printer? Or a wireless monitor? Or anything else that's largely static for its lifetime?

    1. Re:Which is all great... by grasshoppa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, a wireless mouse is nice because it doesn't snag, but why do I need a wireless printer? Or a wireless monitor? Or anything else that's largely static for its lifetime?

      Actually, I like the idea of a wireless printer. Or keyboard. Or speakers. Or everything else, for that matter.

      What I don't like is the complexity and security involved with all this wireless. If I could build myself an antenna next door and sniff your key strokes, or your mouse movements, or what you've printed, or even what's on your monitor, I would call this a bad idea. Therefore, you'd need security. Likely culprit would be wpa or some variation of said protocol.

      Now add into this the fact that I have several systems operating in close proximity; Assuming the devices are intelligent enough to pick their own channels, I would still run the risk of overloading the "channel" with my multiple keyboards and mouses, oh and pritners and monitors.

      So while it sounds good on paper, the practicality of wireless is still missing from the equation.

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    2. Re:Which is all great... by vertinox · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wireless "everything" is hugely overhyped. Yes, a wireless mouse is nice because it doesn't snag, but why do I need a wireless printer? Or a wireless monitor? Or anything else that's largely static for its lifetime?

      About 5 years ago when I was a lowly A+ certified computer shop tech, people would pay me crap loads of money to come out to their house and setup their already preconfigured computer. This usually involved me crawling under the desk and plugging color coordinated colors into their rights spots and then adjusting the cables so they look clean and then booting up the computer and then leaving.

      Had our customers took about 90 seconds to look at the instructions and plugged the cables into the right hole (including the usb and parallel printer cables) they would have saved themselves quite a bit of money.

      But... The average consumer has a real big aversion to plugging in cables even if there is no possible way to get the configuration wrong (well... I don't know how many times I've gotten calls about people getting the keyboard and mouse mixed up when they used the PS2 connectors)

      So for the average user, being able to open the box and not plug in any wires (except maybe power) is a god send.

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    3. Re:Which is all great... by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Wireless "everything" is hugely overhyped. Yes, a wireless mouse is nice because it doesn't snag, but why do I need a wireless printer? Or a wireless monitor? Or anything else that's largely static for its lifetime?

      Maybe the peripherals are static, but the computer itself gets moved around (e.g. because it's a laptop)?

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    4. Re:Which is all great... by DonChron · · Score: 2, Insightful
      So for the average user, being able to open the box and not plug in any wires (except maybe power) is a god send.

      But that's not what 99% of wireless devices do - they need some wires configured before you can do anything. Wireless networking needs a wired access point, wireless mouse and keyboard need USB or PS2 wires to the box, and so on.

      There are some nice opportunities for infrared and bluetooth devices to communicate with PC's, but this is an unplug-and-pray operation. Some things work together, some things don't.

      As far as the assertion that Bluetooth rises up to allow all of our devices to sync with one another and the operating system , allow is the key word in that sentence. The only painless bluetooth operation I've seen is between two cell phones from the same manufacturer. They could share contacts very nicely. But connecting different bluetooth devices, or a bluetooth-enabled device and a Windows or Linux box, is not painless or predictable. Mac's seem to do this a little bit better than Windows/Linux (no big surprise there).

    5. Re:Which is all great... by fostware · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd rather support wired computers... especially over the phone

      1) plug purple keyboard cable into purple socket on the back of the computer, making sure the little coloured lug inside the plug is aligned with the matching hole in the socket.

      vs

      1) find decent batteries (not the no-name trash normally bundled)
      2) plug wireless basestation in usb
      3) load drivers
      4) click next until it goes away (possibly waiting for system restore points and driver warnings)
      5) press the connect buttons on both the base station and keyboard
      6) find out why mouse has dropped off

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  5. Wireless empowerment! by ian_mackereth · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Wireless is handy for a few reasons, but there's still the issue of powering all those wireless devices.

    USB is great because it's a) universal and b) able to power and charge quite a range of small devices.
    Drop your PDA or ipod into a cradle and get a fast connection that's also charging your batteries.

    When and if inductive charging (think Braun toothbrushes) becomes widespread, then maybe wireless will become sensible for most devices.

  6. Great so everything can be unreliable by gnasby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everytime I've worked with wireless technology it's been flakey. It's gotten to the point that if friend of mine calls me up and asks for help with their "wireless network", I show up with a roll of Cat5e, RJ45 plugs and a crimper. For 99% of wireless stuff, I just refuse to spend any time trying to get this technology to work. If I want to set somthing up, I want to be able to set it up ONCE and never have to worry about it again.

    I've yet to see any wireless implementation that is reliable as wired. Until that gets fixed wires are here to stay.

    1. Re:Great so everything can be unreliable by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No kidding. Even if it simply involves disabling and re-enabling the WiFi card every few months to get it to properly connect to the basestation, it's too much. Sure, I'll put up with it, but it's far beyond what I'd expect my grandparents to have to go through to ensure that their WiFi works right.

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    2. Re:Great so everything can be unreliable by mrxak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I get some crazy interference from time to time, where even holding a laptop next to the base station doesn't get a signal, but nothing major in terms of settings and stuff. I set it up once, and 99.9% of the time it's just fine. That .1% fixes itself after a minute or two when presumably whatever was causing interference stops. The most I ever actually have to do with it is give somebody the password and name of the network when they want to get on it. Well, that's not totally true because I'm paranoid and keep a MAC Address whitelist, but that's a one-time change and I'm probably well in the minority on that one. In any case, I have multiple profiles on the router that I can switch to with various settings as needed, such as no-longer having the whitelist, etc.

      If you know what you're doing, wireless networks aren't all that hard to set up and don't require much maintainence. I've had more troubles with my ISP than I've had with my wireless network.

  7. "blazingly fast" by pr0nbot · · Score: 4, Funny

    WiFi comes along and gives us blazingly fast Internet connections

    My internet connection over wired ethernet - 512Kbps

    My internet connection over WiFi - 512Kbps

    Wtf are they talking about?

    BTW If you're chortling at my paltry ADSL speed -- which is the most I can get where I live -- do bear in mind that I live in remote, leafy... central London.

    1. Re:"blazingly fast" by Charcharodon · · Score: 2, Insightful
      My connection from the computer to the living room to the one in my room over wireless.

      12mbps-54mps

      (When the nieghboors craps is not interfering with it and my roommate stops setting the cordless phone down right next to the router on the entertainment center.) The speed between the other two wired computers in the house.

      1000mbps

      Think that's unimportant, then you've never tried moving large amounts of files around or streaming movies while multiple wireless conections are active or being interefered with.

      For easy small stuff, wireless is wonderful, for anything else it is overrated.

  8. No, no wireless for me, thanks. by NineNine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, I'm not interested at all in wireless. I'm wired at home, and wired at my business. Why? I'm a big fan of speed and reliability, both of which are always sacrificed with wireless anything. Wireless may be cute if all you're doing is checking your MySpace account and shopping and doing other such trivial things. Nobody in their right mind who relies on their computers for earning a living would do wireless.

  9. The USB toothbrush by krell · · Score: 2, Funny

    "USB is great because it's a) universal ....(think Braun toothbrushes) becomes"

    Those USB toothbrushes are way kewl. Last week once, after I brushed my teeth, I got an email from a dental student in Thailand warning me about possible weakened enamel in one of my top molars.

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  10. Speed isn't the problem. by pilkul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reliability is. Most of the wireless networks and peripherals I've seen have been randomly unreliable at some point or at least more difficult to configure such that they work reliably. Much of this is due to the immaturity of the technology, but the bottom line is that wireless connections are intrinsically more flakiness-prone than wired ones.

  11. Security by MrShaggy · · Score: 2, Informative

    I like the fact that you can go wireless. Great, however, nothing beats a wire for security. Not too say that I don't use my wireless laptop, however sometimes having a wire upstairs makes sense. The other part is that my cable provider has upped our standard to at least 7megs/700k. Thats way faster then my wireless can handle. But being able to print anywhere in the house... yay!!!!!!!!!

    I think that is the reason for cables. I would love to be able to keep up, but when the cheap fibre to the house thing happens, my poor ole wireless wont keep up. The upgrade path is too steep. Maybe ain a few more months I will upgrade to something quicker.

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    1. Re:Security by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The other part is that my cable provider has upped our standard to at least 7megs/700k. Thats way faster then my wireless can handle.

      This comment shows where exactly your understanding of bandwidth measurements falls (hint: it's low on the scale). Please explain how 7Mbps is "way faster" than even the paltry 11Mbps that 802.11b offers? (And yes, I'm aware that these are the theoretical peaks for both, and that there is overhead in the various protocols and encryption schemes).

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  12. Bandwidth issues by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When I start thinking about the data sent to things like my monitor and speakers, I'd think you'd quickly run into bandwidth issues.

    1. Re:Bandwidth issues by jos3000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When I start thinking about the data sent to things like my monitor and speakers, I'd think you'd quickly run into bandwidth issues.

      The summary makes the point that Apple have managed to solve this problem by building the monitor and speakers into the computer. They even have the airport express solution if you want wireless hi-fi sound.

      The monster laptops that are being produced are testament to this: some people don't care about ultimate portability, they just like the monitor, speakers, keyboard, mouse and (temporary) power supply to be build into the computer, which avoids lots of wires.

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  13. I don't hate cables. by cowscows · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You see, the neat thing about the world is that we don't have to completely get rid of something just because a newer way of doing it comes along.

    I love having wireless networking, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't run cables through all the walls if I was building myself a house. I mostly use my cordless phone at home, but having one phone always attached to the wall means that I'll always be able to easily find it if I need it. I can't remember the battery on that phone ever dying on me.

    We can have the wireless revolution without actually getting rid of all the wires. My printer can keep its wires. I don't move it very often. My iSight camera wire doesn't bother me at all. My USB hub would probably be far less useful if we got rid of all the wires, so let's not worry about that. I can't even remember the last time my keyboard's cable was a problem. My keyboard just sits there, on the keyboard drawer.

    Rather than making parts of a non-mobile computer mobile, I'm much more interested in making already mobile computers better. Give us better PDA's, make a tablet computer that is useable and affordable. The cord on my mouse is not that big of a problem.

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  14. Stupid idea. by porkchop_d_clown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, cabling is a pain, but we should be looking at ways to reduce the power consumption of our electronics, not boost it.

    Wireless peripherals would have to draw independent power and be "always on" - guaranteeing that even when everything is shut off and you're on vacation in the islands, your home computer gear is still sucking power.

  15. Does this mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...that Wired magazine will become obsolete?

  16. Re:dont think so not yet by rudeboy1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would say you had a bad sampling. I have a logitech wireless keyboard mouse combo, the one that came out right before they went to laser optics. It has a base station for the mouse. Yes, I have to recharge the mouse every week or so, depending on use, but there's a red LED that lights up so I know I'm getting low before it craps out completely. Nothing beats being able to prop your feet up and type from a keyboard in your lap (particularly added with the peace of mind of not having to worry if you will pull the cable out of the back of your box).

    With that said, there is still room for improvement. Rumor has it that the advent of wireless USB will bring about wireless monitors. Good idea. However, while keystrokes being transmitted over wireless is a mild security risk, milder still using a RF connection like the one I have, instead of a more robust Bluetooth connection, the risk is still there. So, in that vein, imagine using a wireless monitor connection, which, depending on how it is done, is potentially putting out a ton of information through what will be (I'm almost positive) a unsecured-by-default wireless connection. This way an attacker no longer has to sift through random packets to find valuable information, but can simply watch you enter your credit card dumbers in real time. I sincerely hope they have a novel approach for this problem, because I see it as being a potentially huge security risk.

    I will say I am thankful for the reduction of wired under my desk. With 3 monitors and 2 CPUs, you can barely see the floor behind my desk. With my own experience as a wireless network engineer leaving me a little leary about high fidelity digital connections, (specifically the bajillion points of failure possible in such a scenario) I am looking forward to increased innovation in this area.

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  17. A word from Wonko the Sane by krell · · Score: 2, Funny

    "It was when I found a wireless bluetooth toothpick in a Sharper Image catalog... That was when I decided to build the asylum."

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  18. is it really progress by Chris+whatever · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm wondering if it's really progress if everything we own are wireless, doesn't anybody think about the load of batteries it will take to make this equipment work?

    Even if you use rechargeable batteries, i'm pretty sure a company that has over a 1000 employees will be very pleased to buy a pack of 4 AA batteries at 20$ plus another 25$ for the charger + the time for the I.T to go around spendind their time changing batteries instead of actual work.

    I mean seriously, it may be practical but it is not cost effective or even realistic to imagine keyboard/mouse.

    How many batteries does a keyboard take and a mouse? you'll ahve to spend 40$ every 3 months for each user so they dont have wires on their desktop?

    i think not

  19. No wireless keyboards for gamers by 1800maxim · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just acquired Logitech S510 wireless desktop. It looks fantastic, the keyboard has a fantastic key feel, but the problem is that because it's wireless, it's a fraction of a second delayed compared to wired keyboard.

    When playing a videogame (NFS: Underground 2 for example) there is a delay between when the key is pressed and when the game reacts.

    This is still quite unacceptable, and regrettably, i will be returning my beautiful keyboard :(

  20. No No No No No, NO! by palad1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's quite embarrassing, you got it all wrong.

    Please consume.

  21. if energy was only free by amichalo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If energy was free and didn't have to come from some power plant that poluted the environment, then yeah, wireless me up. Problem is that yoru wireless keyboard takes AA batteries that have to be manufactured, charged, and disposed of. What, so you don't have to look at a thin cable running to the edge of your desk? My keyboard cable doesn't kill me.

    Yeah, I see WIFI in notebooks as making sense...but on a desktop? I don't move my desktop...I ran CAT5 to my office and I get faster performance and don't waste electricity on the WAP or my box.

    Same goes for peripherals like wireless printers...HUH? Is this a real problem?

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  22. Re:Hah. Let's look at this more closely. by Eivind+Eklund · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The power cord goes to a piece of equipment that's mostly stationary. The mouse (or at least my mouse) isn't anywhere near as stationary. So, in my setup at work, my mouse is cordless and the rest uses cables - as the mouse is the only part of the setup where the cables has gotten in my way.

    Eivind.

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  23. Wireless ____ sucks by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Batteries are only part of the problem with wirelessness. There's factors like performance and reliability that go to hell when you lose the wires.

    (Non-technical) people keep suggesting that the college I work for "go wireless" for our networking... not grasping that we'd be replacing a switched 100Mbps line to every computer (with 1Gbps only a wiring-closet upgrade away) with shared wireless spectrum that tops out at 54Mbps and requires encryption, access limits, etc. People ask why I never call anyone from my mobile phone, and instead go find a landline instead... it's because I want to be able to hear and be heard. Why do you think most of the civilized world switched from wireless television to cable?

    Buy a clue people: in almost any category of technology, wireless sucks compared to wired. And getting rid of a slender cable from my mouse or keyboard to my monitor is not worth it.

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    1. Re:Wireless ____ sucks by mcrbids · · Score: 2, Informative

      People ask why I never call anyone from my mobile phone, and instead go find a landline instead... it's because I want to be able to hear and be heard. Why do you think most of the civilized world switched from wireless television to cable?

      Ehh.... I went from "rabbit-ears" T.V. to satellite Dish/DVR. Both are forms of wireless signal delivery. The DVR is set up to use cables, but the actual TV signal is broadcast to my TV via a wireless signal repeater, and the remote control is also wireless!

      The only reason why Cellular kinda sucks is because the current signal allocation by the FCC is very inefficient, leaving giant swaths of unused bandwidth "in between" existing channel allocations. Requiring more accurate signal filtering could easily 10x the amount of signal that can be carried in a frequency range. Switching to a technology (such as Ultra Wide Band) that makes better use of the available bandwidth would cause even more prominent exponential increases in signal quality and bandwidth.

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    2. Re:Wireless ____ sucks by tashanna · · Score: 2, Funny

      Darn right. I have enough problems with USB slowing down my typing and mousing. 12 mbit / sec is hardly enough, especially when I run out of ports and have to use a hub for my keyboard AND mouse. I wouldn't know what to do if I had to give up throughput just for the supposed convenience of a wireless mouse or keyboard.

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  24. Hate the cables. Hate the cables. Hate the cables. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I can't wait for more wireless peripherals.

    The problem is not cabling per se, but unstructured cabling. Let me explain.

    I have a fileserver, a desktop machine, a laptop router/firewall, a DSL modem/wifi router, a laptop, a printer, a UPS, switch, patch panel, 5.1 speaker system, 2 monitors, scanner, keyboard and mouse. Plus other peripherals I forgot about. All the big devices need mains power. That's roughly 9 mains connections. That means a mess of power boards plugged into the wall sockets and a mess of 9 mains cables running in all different directions. None of the devices provides a means to daisy-chain nearby devices. For example my two monitors could get by with only one mains cable, if the second monitor could plug into the first.

    The scanner uses DC power so there's a power supply sitting on the floor which is plugged into the mains. The laptop also uses DC power, so it has its own separated power supply box. Although the scanner is plugged into the fileserver, it is physically located on the speaker system. So I have a USB cable running to the scanner.

    My VOIP phones (forgot those!) get power from the mains but via a rectifier built into the mains plug. However the rectifier sits sideways not vertical, so the plug essentially takes up 2 sockets on the powerboard. Their power comes from the left, but their ethernet connection comes from the right, at the switch. Why can't we combine the cabling for the power and the ethernet so the phones only have one cable to plug in?

    My two screens have, each, a video signal (DVI) and a power cable. So I have 4 cables to deal with. Why can't power and signal be combined into the one cable? If I want to do it myself then I have to ensure the signal is shielded from the power cable - but this engineering problem should have been solved by the monitor designer already.

    Basically the cabling is a mess, for even my modest amount of infrastructure. It would help a lot if all the cabling from all the devices could go to a junction box of some kind, and be distributed out from that.

    Internally PCs have the same kind of problem. Have you ever put together a PC from scratch? You probably ended up with wires everywhere. Why is there not a single connector to join the front panel (power button, reset button, USB, Firewire, speaker, mic etc) to the motherboard? Why do we have to fiddle with multiple cables, and worry about the polarity of the Power LED? Why does a case which houses multiple disk drives not include a wiring harness for those drives? Why does a case with multiple fans not include a wiring harness in the case design? How come some CD-ROMs have their power socket on the left, and others on the right? This is lowest-common-denominator engineering and I suppose it's one of the things that Apple got right, that all the parts in their PCs fit together well. Compared to the typical PC, where each part appears to have been designed without any consideration to how it will fit within the whole.

  25. Centralizing the problem by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Relying on power though centralizes the problem. And why dispose of batteries every time, only to buy new ones, when you can just use a rechargable and have the whole system last essentially forever? Even with heavy use a bluetooth mouse can last for a month or more, then it's fifteen minutes in the charger and you're ready to go again.

    Also, I don't think you've factored in the extra cost in environmental resources and pollution to produce the cord that goes on non-wireless mice, not to mention the additional complexity in packaging that probably has some six your old child winding the cord up to put the twist-tie on for packaging - wireless mice can more effectivley be packaged via automation.

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  26. iMac? 'scuse me?? by NuShrike · · Score: 2, Informative

    Jobs always had a thing for a one-piece system since WELCOME TO 1984!! the original Macintosh and also fanless design. Then it was try try again with the Macintosh Classic, the iMac, the Cube... no matter how bad an idea it was nor how badly it crashed in the market.

    It was the Macintosh II that started the 2-piece thing and color.

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