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Hoarders vs. Deleters- What Your Inbox Says

BlueCup writes "You are your inbox. Take a clear-eyed look at how you answer or file each email. Notice what you choose to keep or delete. Consider your anxiety when your inbox is jammed with unanswered messages. The makeup and tidiness of your inbox is a reflection of your habits, your mental health and, yes, even the way Mom and Dad raised you." I always knew my obsessive packratting said something important about me as a human being.

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  1. gmail solved my clutter by yagu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And I did (and still do) fit the clutter definition. I currently have about 1500 gmails, and I long ago stopped paying much care to them other than scanning and letting go. Google takes care of the rest.

    I have on file (old computers, old e-mail clients (elm, pine, thunderbird, on and on)) about 15 to 20 thousand e-mails, and it's always been a dilemma what to keep and what to throw away. What to deem important and what to forget. Ultimately I wrote my own software to manage my e-mail, wrote an inverted index machine (more than ten years ago, and did it as a shell script(!)). That took care of most of my needs and certainly surpassed the features of any e-mail clients at the time.

    But with that system I had the added anxiety of modifying/creating/maintaining my home-grown e-mail management software. Sigh.

    Now, with gmail, most of the features I needed (but not all) are provided and implemented much better than I ever did. If I can remember just one or two words from an important e-mail, it's almost always enough to retrieve the desired note using gmail index. I don't even bother marking things as important. If they're important, they come up.

    From the article: In Greensboro, N.C., Internet consultant Wally Bock keeps his inbox down to a manageable few dozen messages. He credits his sense of order to "having disciplined parents who made that a value." . YOu don't have to do this anymore with gmail. There is virtually no difference between e-mail that is "there", or "archived". Of course there is a difference if it is deleted, but why bother? For most users, gmail gives enough storage to not need to distinguish between throwing something away or keeping it.

    Also from the article: A saner way to pare down an inbox is to move email into folders, by subject or need for follow-up, and once a week set aside time for inbox housekeeping. Again, with gmail, not necessary! If you can remember a few key words, you're golden!

    And, I wonder at this recommendation from an "expert" in the article: University of Toronto instructor Christina Cavanagh studied hundreds of office workers for her book "Managing Your Email: Thinking Outside the Inbox." One of her subjects, a finance executive, had 10,000 emails in his inbox. She advised him to simply delete the oldest 9,000. Insane! And dangerous! Let Google manage that, and avoid the risk of "suffering the consequences" for stupid management techniques.

    Since I've "switched", my e-mail life has been virtually stress free, and how and what I manage with e-mail has improved my day to day management of communications dramatically. This is close to life (in e-mail) as it should be.

    YMMV

    1. Re:gmail solved my clutter by MustardMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't understand what is unique to gmail here. You're saying you can find any message by searching for keywords - so can just about any modern mail client. I do this all the time in mail.app, and my emails aren't being scanned to present advertisements to me. Am I missing something here?

    2. Re:gmail solved my clutter by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 3, Insightful
      That advice is not only extremely stupid, it's probably criminal as well. There are reasonable document retention policies one could imagine, but her advice is certainly not one of them.

      There's nothing criminal about deleting your old e-mail whenever you feel like it to free up space or clean things up. It may be criminal to hide evidence of wrongdoing by deleting your mail, and you might get into hot water if it looks like you were trying to cover something up by your "housekeeping," but a blanket statement of calling deleting email "probably criminal" is ridiculous.

      There's enough dumb laws without people dreaming up imaginary ones.

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    3. Re:gmail solved my clutter by MBCook · · Score: 4, Informative

      Am I missing something here?

      Yes.

      You are using Mail.app and Spotlight (I do too) so you don't think gmail is so amazing.

      But if you were to use another e-mail client for a while (AOL, Outlook, etc) you would realize just how TERRIBLE the average e-mail program's search ability is. It just doesn't work that well. Often, they search by (seemingly) walking though the e-mails one by one. Thus when you have 1000 e-mails searches take 10x as long as when you have 100. If you were to try to search through my backed e-mail (2-3 years) it would take a LONG time. Compare this to a fraction of a second to do the same with Spotlight (or gmail).

      The live results and updates that Spotlight gives is what makes it so powerful.

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    4. Re:gmail solved my clutter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree, manually sorting your email is not something we should be doing in the 21st century.

      I have about 40,000 emails from the last 3 years of work. If anyone seriously expects me to manually move those to some folder they have another thing coming. If they expect me to delete them, they don't understand the value of an information archive.

      For the outlook users out there:

      I've found the free LookOut search plugin for outlook to be pretty good, especially since it can search my huge archive folders. I used to try to organize my email by using outlook's braindead rules system, but now everything just goes to the inbox, and to find something I search using lookout.

      If I leave something I need to reply to for later, I flag it as for followup. If I don't flag it, or don't reply immediately, then it's considered dealt with.

      The other important thing is adjusting the settings, to remove the preview pane and/or adjust it so that once you read an email it is marked as read immediately, not 5 seconds later or whatever that outlook does by default. That avoids the buildup of supposedly "unread" mail. This way, the unread mail search folder is my "inbox", and is always managable.

      The only thing I lack is the ability to have "search folders" span archives, the same way that lookout does.

    5. Re:gmail solved my clutter by SURsys · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's absolutely nothing imaginary about deleting emails being criminal. This was a "finance executive" she advised to delete NINE THOUSAND emails. I work for a global insurance company that also has a huge financial branch. Along with certain sides of the insurance aspect of the company, the financial branch is also restricted by FEDERAL LAW that certain correspondence must be kept and archived (emails, phone conversations, all sorts of paperwork, etc etc etc). So, depending on what he deals in, it very well may be criminal to delete some of those nine thousand emails.

    6. Re:gmail solved my clutter by barthrh2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Check out copernic desktop. Adds Spotlight-like searching to everything, including email. I prefer the seamlessness of spotlight, but like the previews in Copernic. Plus, it's be best choice on Windows.

    7. Re:gmail solved my clutter by DeadPrez · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't know why the parent is modded so high when it has a major factual inaccuracy, namely a dictionary/word suggester. Yup, it could use some help and not care that words like "internet" don't need to be capitalized but that's neither here nor there.

      Gmail = labels/filters + basically unlimited disk usage + search = My best experience with email since 1996. And I install Exchange for a (partial) living. shhh

    8. Re:gmail solved my clutter by pipingguy · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have on file [...] about 15 to 20 thousand e-mails, and it's always been a dilemma what to keep and what to throw away.

      I'm a Windows user, so that particular problem is taken care of for me every couple of years whether I like it or not.

  2. You are your inbox. by Kawolski · · Score: 4, Funny

    Full of spam? :(

    1. Re:You are your inbox. by StarvingSE · · Score: 3, Funny

      SPiced hAM - the meat of the gods, the meat that got the United States out of the great depression. Bow down to its unnaturally-pink goodness.

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  3. What an excellent article. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's take people from two different extremes and generalize statements about non-extreme people from that.

    I have 1,215 messages in my inbox and all of them have been answered. I keep them because it's a "paper trail" for when someone asks me about it again in 6 months.

    1. Re:What an excellent article. by eln · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Exactly. I keep work-related emails forever, and archive them to separate folders every few months. I tend to clean out personal emails on a fairly regular basis, though.

    2. Re:What an excellent article. by PCM2 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I have 1,215 messages in my inbox and all of them have been answered. I keep them because it's a "paper trail" for when someone asks me about it again in 6 months.

      That's nothing. I literally have 12,000+ messages in my inbox at home, and anybody who hasn't received a response from one of them isn't going to get one.

      The reason I keep them is simple. In this digital age, it's the only record I have of my correspondence with a great many people -- some of it memorable, some of it totally frivolous. Think about it: The only record. Have you ever noticed those six-volume collected editions of the letters of famous writers? Well, I and you might never be that important, but even if we were, guess what? Nobody writes letters anymore. Unless you do something to hang onto it, anything you spirit away into the Internet ether is essentially gone for good.

      So why not hang onto it? There's all kinds of stuff in that inbox. It's a paper trail, sure ... but it's also a crate full of opportunities acted upon or otherwise, phone numbers I forgot to write down elsewhere, copies of old files, heck, even plain old memories. Why take the time to sort through it all and decide what's what, when the entire archive can be zipped onto a keychain USB drive in less than a minute, and even the most basic email client can search out anything I want to find in the whole stack in a few seconds?

      Clearly this jerk is just another typical psychologist, willing to say anything to keep the Thetans trapped in my body.

      P.S. Oh, for the record, that email client is Thunderbird. 12,000 messages and counting, works just fine. Beat that, Outlook.

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    3. Re:What an excellent article. by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, and also for the record, I am organized. Every single one of my emails is filed exactly where it belongs -- ordered by date.

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    4. Re:What an excellent article. by Bonker · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This behavior has saved my bacon more times than I care to count.

      Boss: "So, why didn't you inform executive A that we were going to cut over the website this week."

      Me: "I did, a few months ago, I think. I remember talking to her on the phone."

      Boss: "She's swearing up and down that she's never heard anything about it."

      Me: "Bullshit." (When said to your boss, you'd BETTER damn well be able to put your money where your mouth is.)

      Boss: "This is a pretty big deal. It came up in the executive briefing. Do you have an email trail or anything?"

      Me: "Yeah. Let me send you all the related emails. (*clickity-click*) There you go. Looks like we talked about it in May. I'm sorry she's bugging you about it."

      Boss: "Don't worry about it. This is no longer our problem."

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  4. My Inbox by peterfa · · Score: 5, Funny

    My inbox is full of ads for a bigger penis, to get chicks, to make lots of money, etc. I wonder what this says about me. :/

  5. Me vs. My Parents by MBCook · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Myself, I'm a hoarder with organization. I save EVERY email somewhere (except for spam which gets cleared out once and a while). Things get filed away as soon as possible. I read it, then I file it. The exceptions are the things I want kept at my attention. Open orders, ongoing discussions, and the last letter from a select friend or two are always in there. If I'm done with it, it's filed. I'd have mail going back 6 or 7 years if it wasn't for a hard drive crash. As it is, it only goes back about 2 or 3.

    Now the thing I finder interesting is my parents. They use AOL and are self taught. I've been moving them over to gmail but their habits have stayed with them.

    The thing you have to understand is that AOL has this really queer behavior where if you've read an e-mail, it will delete it. If you read an e-mail and then leave AOL, it gets moved somewhere. After that, it quickly gets deleted automatically. I'm not sure why they do this, but it is the behavior I've seen. So if you want to keep an e-mail, you have two options. You can save it somewhere in another folder (which they do sometimes), or you can click "keep as new" (marks the message unread). So anything they think they'll read again gets marked "keep as new". This means they always have "new" mail. They can't look and see "I have 2 new messages" because they are ALL new messages (so they would have to remember the previous number).

    But by and large they are deleters. When they are done with an e-mail unless they think they have a good reason to save it, they just let it get deleted (or recently they have been speeding it up by pressing delete).

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    1. Re:Me vs. My Parents by pilgrim23 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why keep email? I figure if I really need it later I could always call the NSA and have them restore it from their copy....

      No, you can't have my tinfoil hat. ..

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  6. Oh really? by Matt+Perry · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The makeup and tidiness of your inbox is a reflection of your habits, your mental health and, yes, even the way Mom and Dad raised you.
    Or it means that hard drive space is so plentiful and cheap, and search algorithms so good, that I don't have to bother deleting or sorting anything.
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  7. it's a skill.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Keeping your inbox empty (and generally being organized) is a skill that some people have naturally, and others don't. Those that don't, can learn it quite easily.

    It always amazes me when I see people who are incredibly disorganized, have to expend so much effort to find things, who basically are always just one big mistake away from burnout, when they could learn some basic organization skills and work SO much more efficiently.

    And for some reason these people say that being disorganized is being "creative" or something like that. Uh? Unless you're some kind of performance artist whose medium is a desk, papers, and computer, you should learn to focus your creativity in your work or whatever it is that you're trying to accomplish. I've seen the studios of famous artists who paint crazy, disorganized, abstract paintings.. they are often neat and clean and all the tools, like brushes and paints, are in a row, ready to use. These people have learned to focus their energy on their work, and not trying to find the Cadmium Yellow in that pile on the floor.

    Another thing about being disorganized: it keeps you from scaling. Limits the number of projects you can do or the hobbies you can keep track of. What a drag.

    Personally I recommend the Do It, Defer It, Delegate It, Delete It routine (found in Getting Things Done and other books). Just practice it for a month and see if doesn't make your life a little bit smoother to see that empty inbox.

    The inbox should be used for NEW, UNREAD MESSAGES ONLY!

    Even this article gives the impression that a messy inbox is just a "lifestyle choice", or something your parents taught you. Forget it. An organized inbox, desk, computer, etc., will almost always win over a sloppy one. So stop blaming your genes or your parents or the clock and GET ORGANIZED. Especially if you work with me. :-)

  8. Advice by Mullen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A little advice, in work environment, keep every email and every reply so no one can fuck you over.

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  9. history by brenddie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Dont delete them. Archive them, and 5 years from now go back and see if you remember what was going on those days. I have gone back a read some old email and some of them made me smile. Funny how everything changes including oneself. This is the closest you can get to a diary, whitout writing one.

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  10. Bullsh*t! by phase_9 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm sorry, but this has really incensed me! This is absolute crap, I am incredibly organised when it comes to email because it's easy to stay on-top off (well, at least try to.) If an email is important, or it contains information that I will definatly need in the future, I will file it in a subfolder. If it's related to ongoing work, I will keep it in my intray until said work is completed when it will then be deleted. If it's my mother sending me pictures of kitten it will hit the trash before I've even gotten to the end. I wish my life was this organised, but it's just not - my bedroom is always a mess of clothes (until I start running out) and God knows that this place could do with a spring clean! Organising one's "virtual" presence is a hell of a lot easier than physically sorting things out! That felt good :)

  11. Inbox Zero, anyone? by mithras+the+prophet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ever since discovering Inbox Zero, I am a happier man.

    For me, this means:

    • Only check email every 30 minutes or 1 hour, on a schedule. No notifiers, no gorgeous translucent summaries, no stinkin' badges. I don't jump when email says to jump; I deal with it when I'm ready to.
    • When I'm reading through new mail, every message has one of four fates:
      1. Deleted, if it's useless
      2. Archived, where I can find it if I need to later
      3. Replied to or handled, if I can do so in 2 minutes or less
      4. Transformed into a todo -- either to do later in the day, or on a specific date -- and archived

    That way I don't have to wonder, "Say, I think there was some email I was meaning to deal with, where was it, somewhere in here, was it last week? And it's such a joy to have a perfectly empty It really is a great methodology / philosophy, and I heartily recommend it.

    Of course, I'd have more cred as a gettting-things-done wizard if I weren't reading Slashdot at the moment...

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  12. Living in the past by paxmaniac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Looks like Jeffrey Zaslow is still living in the internet of ten years ago.

    I can't begin to describe how useful it is to keep a comprehensive email history. With a good system of labelling, archiving and searching, anything can be retrieved in a matter of seconds. Every day I query my mail archives: to find old contacts; to recall what was said in a conversation a year ago; to re-read old minutes. I have even taken to emailing memos and reminders to myself so that they can be searched in the same process with my communications.

  13. here's one that's unbelievable by rodgster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Have you ever seen people who "save" email in their deleted items folder?

    I was astounded when I first observed it. I seen it several times now. No joke.

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  14. Re:Evidence by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm keeping all of my SPAM as evidence for the day when I can sue all those motherfuckers.

    I used to do that, too. I had this file with all the spam I'd received, back to the first one I ever got: An offer to sell me software to automate sending email to multiple recipients and a list of email addresses.

    I recall thinking, at the time: "Oh oh! There goes email. We'll be buried in junkmail within a couple months, once this guy's customers and all the copycats get deployed." (This is time I've most hated being dead-on with a prediction. B-( )

    Unfortunately, that was a while ago, when disk space was far more precious. My disk filled up to the point that I had to dump something to keep the system going, and couldn't get expanded in time. The collected spam file was the main culprit so it had to go.

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  15. My solution to email by proxima · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I give every organization its own email address (I realize this isn't unique, but I'm surprised at how few people do it). If the address gets out and I start getting spam, it's a simple matter to redirect that mail to /dev/null. A fortunate consequence of this method is another, easier way of filtering incoming messages: by the "To:" field, rather than hacking together "From:" or "Subject:" entries as needed. So far, I've had no need for any spam filtering solution. I get the most spam from the address listed in my WHOIS records and on my website, but I could start rotating that address if I really cared.

    Not to say I'm organized enough to have every filter set up. Still, I usually don't let more than a couple hundred messages build up before I clear them out.

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  16. Article is Stupid by miyako · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Right now, my email client says I have 2667 messages in my in-box. The oldest message I have dates back to January 31st, 2006. While most of these emails aren't very important, and it certainly wouldn't do much harm in deleting them, it seems to me like there isn't any reason to delete email that is less than a year or two old. My .evolution folder is only taking up 122.3MB out of the 1TB in the machine, so it's certainly mot a matter of running out of storage space. Organization is accomplished with Search Folders in Evolution, and if I need to find anything searching is fairly snappy. Given that there aren't really any down sides, I don't see any reason to not keep email around for a year or two, just in case. It's not like storing actual letters where they could pile up and take up real physical storage space, be difficult to search through, etc.
    Especially when so much business correspondance takes place via email, isn't it better to be safe and keep things around "just in case" than sorry if you happen to need them?

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  17. Extending this to the file system... by pixelguru · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I used to adminster a number of OS X machines, and I always thought that spending 5 minutes on a user's machine could tell me more about their brain than working with them for years. Email tidyness is just the tip of the iceberg:

    • How (or if) they organize folders and intelligently name files.
    • Whether they have their desktop image set to the default, a photo of their family, or blaze orange bright enough to illuminate their work area (I saw this once).
    • Whether they view their files by column view, list or icons by default
    • If there are 2,417 files in their trash can or none.
    • Whether the icons on their desktop are evenly distributed, pushed into little piles... or if their desktop is completely empty (again, I saw this once and it creeped me out)
    • And email... I've seen users who ran into the max database size limit in OS X mail (I believe it's around 6GB), and I've seen users (like myself) who have so many email rules automatically filing things for them that barely anything ever actually reaches their inbox.

    It's all a window straight into their soul.