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First Blu-ray Drives Won't play Blu-ray Movies
aapold writes "Sony officially announced its BWU-100A product at its "Experience More 2006" event in Sydney yesterday, all the while acknowledging that there's significant room for improvement before the product is viable for integration into media centre PCs. Sony's product manager for data storage, told CNET.com.au that due to copy protection issues and lagging software development, the drive will only play user-recorded high-definition content from a digital camcorder, and not commercial movies released under the BD format." All this hullabaloo makes me want neither side to win. If only I didn't desperately crave HD content on my TV!
This is really typical of Sony. For the last 30 years Sony has iterated this process over and over again.
1. Develop really nice content format.
2. Promote the hell out of new content format.
3. Artificially CRIPPLE THE FUCK out of new content format.
4. Wonder why people aren't buying new content format.
5. Abandon new content format.
See also: BetaMax, MiniDisc, MemoryStick, UDF, etc...
I should say this is really typical of Sony USA. Things like MiniDisc were really popular in Japan, but the restrictions imposed on the format came from pressures from Sony's U.S. media divisions.
Sony execs and marketing people refuse to learn from their mistakes, so they keep repeating them. They've been doing it over and over again for literally decades now.
As a matter of fact, unless HD-DVD manages to be as easy to uncripple as DVDs (and it appears that it will be), it too will be stillborn.
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So is this a confession that the low-end PS3 won't be able to play commercial Blu Ray DVDs? Or does the low-end PS3 use an HDCP-compliant graphics card without offering DVI or HDMI connections?
...how did you like the play?"
The manufacturers seems to be falling over themselves trying to bring flawed, faulty, and generally unfinished products to market... presumably oblivious to the possibility the first kid on the block to get one will tell all his friends about his experiences.
I do believe Blu-Ray and HDDVD are well on their way to becoming the quadraphonic sound of the new millennium.
"How to Do Nothing," kids activities, back in print!
Except, even with my not-too-shabby-for-the-US 8mbit/sec cable connection, it'll take about a day to download a 35gig movie. That's assuming, of course, that I can get reasonably close to my own theoretical limit of 8meg down, and whichever (genius) company is sending me the file can push the data that quickly. I can't get that kind of sustained bandwidth from any company I've downloaded anything from, aside from various Linux distros via bittorent. With a very few downloaders, those numbers add up very quickly, and our measly upload rates (384k for me) do not make the bittorrent avenue feasible in my eyes.
I think my point is, before we start looking to get high-def movies via IP, we need to get some bigger trucks to move all these internets through the series of pipes.
The devil in the details is Sony's split personality:
I say "one division or the other" because it varies. CE will hang on to formats that are useful outside of Big Media's influence. Beta lived on in professional circles, MiniDisc found new life in NetMD, and Memory Stick is still their preferred camera memory format. UMD looks like it's dead to both sides. (PSP : UMD movies :: chicken : egg) Looks like CE is already losing interest in Blu-Ray, with this non-Big-Media-compliant drive.
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The really silly thing with the HDCP requirement is that eventually the bluray format will be cracked, and then people will be able to watch bluray movies with this player on a pc that hasn't got any kind of hdcp support. So in the end it's the legal bluray viewers that end up buying new monitors, videocards and bluray drives to satisfy the hdcp requirement, while the pirates can watch them with whatever hardware they want. The media publishing industry has to be full of retards, there really isn't any other explanation.
so who are you blaming?
Sony as a whole (which encompasses more then just the almight world that is the USA)
Sony USA (which has been fucking over the US for quite awhile)
cause there is a big difference in the two, SUSA made a lot of formats die when they really didn't need to (such as MiniDisc), while in other countrys the format(s) took off and flurished.
MiniDisc is the best example, it bombed in the US but just about everywheres else it's still used today. So it makes you wonder just how much influance SUSA has in their global operations now, $600 for the PS3, Blu-Ray drives that don't even play Blu-Ray movies, The Blu-Ray spec isn't even finalized yet cause they haven't decided on a Copy protection scheme to use. Sure their main headquarters is in Japan which is right next to China but the lengths they are going through for copy "protection" is more in tune to the DMCA and stripping rights away from people.
Frankly, I'm sick of it... I'upgrade my sat reciever to watch NFL in HD this fall, but I have very little desire to waste money on HD movies these days. Back when I was an HT geek I probably woulda considered it, but these days I'm far closer to being joe-sixpack than an HT geek. About the only thing that'll get me to start buying HD movies is when the ITMS starts selling them and I can store them indefinitely on my mini, take them with me on my powerbook, and re-encode them to carry on my vPod. Yeah, guess that make me one of the sheeple...
Think outside the... Hey, where'd the friggin' box go?
I hate to say it, but it's one of the perverse effects of the "open source mentality": dedicated amateurs will always do a better job at technologically-interesting tasks than professionals. Why? Well, you have to hire professionals; the internet, on the other hand, is the great enabler for addicts of all kinds, including those addicted to getting the best data compression out there.
Sure, these guys get the accolades, and see their files copied across the world, but the bug that drives the true nuts isn't mass approval; it's knowing that nobody else can squeeze the bits like they can.
Paying jobs don't give that: neither the big media corps nor the big media pirates need an ace at this job.
so while they disdain the preponderance of brain-dead pirates who benefit most from their work, they take heart in the few cognoscenti who admire their art.
Yes, it's a sick world we live in. What gives me most fear is the notion that the "Open Source Mentality" itself is to blame, rather than an inefficient marketplace.
Not really, and it kind of misses the bigger point. Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to go into much detail about how cool it's really going to get. See, as you might have guessed, I know all this because I work for DivX, I am an engineer here, I am in the office right now, and I am staring at a large pile of very cool toys, which I helped make. DivX has just filed for IPO, and we are in the quiet period, so I have to be careful what info I give out. All I can give you is a bunch of published, but not well known info. So to give you the general idea: DivX 6 does tons of things which vastly improve quality, while squashing the files down even futher. Technically, nothing prevents you from doing what you describe, it is simply the quality profiles that we use to certify DVD players as meeting our interoperability standards. These profiles are guidelines only, and the encoder CAN encode outside of them (although new versions will warn you). But we make no guarantees about the ability of hardware decoders to play such files. The profiles are to help you make sure that you are buying devices, and making or downloading movies, which will all play nice together. The other reason for the profiles is the emergence of hardware encoding devices. There is an emerging market for DivX capable recorders, digital cameras, and hybrid devices, like linux based net appliances. These devices need stricter encoding contstraints in order to produce files that will play back on whatever player you stick them in. In other words, yes, you COULD encode a huge resolution with any DivX codec, but you would be hard pressed to find a DVD player that could play it on a TV, in NTSC, let alone 720 or 1080. You'd also have trouble finding codec settings that struck a good balance between quality and file size. A 2 hour DivX 5.0 file, even in 720p, would be a long download, and only play on a fairly hefty PC. Oh yeah, and only the DivX 6 HD profile supports non-square pixels, so if you used anything older, you'd get the typical blocky scaling artifacts. But even that misses my real point from the original post. See, even if you got past all of that, you would still just have an avi file right? it's just a plain old movie, even if it's a really nice looking movie. No menus, no multiple audio languages, no subtitles, no chaptering, and no bonus "making of" movies. So, what would you say if I told you that I have a 2 hour, 720p movie on my hard drive? What if I told you that it had full DVD-style menus, 8 audio tracks, 8 subtitle tracks, 50 chapter points, and a making-of documentary? And if I told you that the encoding was so good you could barely tell it was encoded, even on an HDTV? Cool, no? So what if I told you that the entire file is under 4 GB? Now, how about I tell you that I'm sitting here, right now, watching a $200 DVD player PLAYING that file, off a standard DVD-R, at full resolution, on an HDTV? That you don't NEED a blue laser? That you don't have to pay $1500? That you never needed more storage space in the first place? That's the point. It's one thing to encode a huge video. It's another thing to fit the entire movie, bonus features and all, on a normal DVD, completely bypassing the need for expensive new technology. It kind of highlights the fact that the piracy-fearing tatics of companies like sony, are putting a strangle hold on innovation in digital video, does it not? There IS a better way, a cheaper way, an easier way, and a more environmentally friendly way, to watch a movie. And DivX is going to try and give it to you. I'll let you in on a secret, that will tell you exactly what the MPAA's mentality has done to the industry. We have a half-finished piece of software in house here. It can rip entire DVD's into DivX files, bonus features and everything. Entirely automated. A few mouse clicks, and your whole DVD collection is faithfully reproduced on your hard drive, as easy as ripping it with DVD decrypter, but with 1/8 the hard drive space. But it's likely that you will never see DivX release such software. Why
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