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An 'Ethical Hacker' On Protecting Your Identity

qwqwss writes "Canada.com is running an article by Terry Cutler, a 'certified Ethical Hacker', who wants to get the word out to people on protecting their identities from a growing number of risks. The piece covers shopping online, keeping your personal information contained, and avenues of inquiry if your identity is stolen."

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  1. Hiding your credit report by Riding+Spinners · · Score: 5, Informative

    1-888-567-8688

    Call this one number to opt out of all three bureaus. You can protect yourself from identity theft by taking your name off of the credit bureaus mailing lists. The credit bureaus are one of the biggest offender when it comes to selling your name and information to the credit card companies who in turn send you all those pre-approved applications. One call to the Opt Out Request Line (for Equifax, TransUnion, Experian and Consumer Credit Associates) is all it takes to permanently remove your name from all marketing lists that the credit agencies supply to direct marketers. You can also opt for a two-year period, renewing your request at any time in the future.

    Identity theft certainly happens on the Internet, but it's the old-fashioned cons that usually get your SSN and such. Put your paranoia in the right place. Please.

    1. Re:Hiding your credit report by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Interesting
      One call to the Opt Out Request Line is all it takes to permanently remove your name from all marketing lists that the credit agencies supply to direct marketers.
      And get your name on the "high-value" target list they sell to everyone else, and the "has something to hide" list they sell to the NSA.

      Seriously, it is so bogus that in order to "opt out" you have to hand over your personal info -- SSN, address, full name - to the very same people who are abusing that info in the first place. Somehow I just don't trust them to keep it safe and never figure out a new way to abuse it for their own gain.

      A real opt-out list would be maintained by a 3rd party with contractual and legal penalties for distributing your personal info. Then the agencies would be required send their lists to the 3rd who would filter out the people who have opted out. That way, even if the agencies were to reverse engineer the list by comparing before-and-afters, they would not know anything about the people whom they missed because they were never on the first list, nor would they get any sort of corrective information (like updated address, corrected spelling of names, etc).

      Hell, while I am dreaming, these lists would be opt-in to start with and we wouldn't have these problems.
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    2. Re:Hiding your credit report by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 4, Informative

      That number will allow you to opt out of pre-approved offers of credit who follow the rules of the big credit bureaus (worked great for me).

      However, it will not prevent the credit bureaus from selling your name and information to other companies for other reasons, and it will not hide your credit report from anyone.

      Also, some credit companies don't use the big credit bureaus, and will instead compile information from other sources. If you have a home loan for example; your name, address and value of the loan are available at some county and state offices.

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    3. Re:Hiding your credit report by mls · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sign up for the Direct Marketing Association's (DMA), "Mail Preference Service" (MPS), it will reduce the amount of unwanted mail coming to you, including credit card offers, and it really works. Use option 2, and print and mail your form, it only costs the price of a stamp. Don't pay to do so online, it takes time to process anyhow.

      However, a few notes on the service:
      1) It can easily take 6 months for a mailing list to be updated removing your address from it. This has to do with the frequency that marketers update and certify their lists for the USPS.
      2) Some of those catalogs that you have been getting for no apparent reason that you like getting, they may stop. If you are an existing customer of a company, or have specifically requested to get a certain mailing, then you may still get that mailing.
      3) If there are multiple last names in your household, you may need to submit the form multiple times with those combinations (there are some stupid list maintainers out there).

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    4. Re:Hiding your credit report by paeanblack · · Score: 3, Funny

      The root of the problem:

      A: Hi! I'd like to open a line of credit.
      B: What's your name.
      A: John Smith
      B: There are alot of John Smith's, could you be more specific?
      A: John Smith from New York, New York.
      B: Sigh. That doesn't really help.
      A: Well, how then?
      B: Give us a publicly known number that refers to you and you alone.
      A: My Social Security Number is 012-34-5678
      B: Fine. Now I need to prove I'm actually talking to John Smith, 012-34-5678
      A: How?
      B: Tell us a number that only you know and would never, ever, tell anyone else.
      A: My Social Security Number is 012-34-5678
      B: Meh, I guess that's good enough. Have fun with your new credit card.

    5. Re:Hiding your credit report by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Funny
      the government is poisoning your cheerios....the government is poisning your cheerios
      So that's why they float there, all lifeless in my milk!!!
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    6. Re:Hiding your credit report by Eivind · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Thats pretty close to how it works in Norway. For marketing of any sort adressed directly to you. There is a single govnerment-maintained list where you can opt to not receive direct marketing.

      Companies that do direct marketing send their lists in, and get them back without those persons who have opted out. They learn nothing new about you in the process, other than the fact that you've opted out.

      For electronic marketing (email, sms, fax) it's opt-in rather than opt-out. In other words, they cannot legally do it unless you've given prior, informed consent to that. The logic is that this in this type of marketing, the recipient typically pays a large part of the cost. Marketers are less likely to abuse say paper-based marketing as that actually costs them to print and distribute. (compare the quality of the marketing in the average paper-based marketing and the average spam you receive to see what I mean..)

      For unadressed "distributed to all" marketing there's a small sticker you can put on your mailbox, and you won't get any.

      In short, you can eliminate receiving any marketing by following 3 simple steps:

      • Register yourself to opt-out of direct marketing. (one phone-call or one visit to the opt-out list.
      • Do not agree to receive direct marketing when companies ask.
      • Get a small sticker and put it on your mailbox.
    7. Re:Hiding your credit report by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      People call BECAUSE those agencies have the information and have been selling it. So it is information they already have.

      No, you are wrong.

      I use a bogus name for my telephone directory listing (it is like getting an unlisted number, but better because it is free and it avoids having my real name on the "list of people with unlisted numbers"). I get tons of snail-mail marketing for this bogus person, I also get plenty of sales calls asking for this bogus person by name.

      There is no way the credit marketing agencies are giving away this info because this person does not exist and the name was made up on the spot for the telephone listing - they certainly have no SSN and my real name is the one used for the bills so there isn't even any "credit history" to the name.

      So you see, you are 100% demonstrably incorrect in saying that the sales contacts are due only to the credit marketing agencies. Even if this bogus person somehow did aqcuire an entry in their databases, there is no way for me to remove them because the person has no SSN to give them.

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      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    8. Re:Hiding your credit report by berzerke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...I use a bogus name for my telephone directory listing (it is like getting an unlisted number, but better because it is free and it avoids having my real name on the "list of people with unlisted numbers"). I get tons of snail-mail marketing for this bogus person, I also get plenty of sales calls asking for this bogus person by name...

      I've done that [used a bogus name] and that name has gotten pre-approved credit card offers in addition to the other stuff you mention! Every time I see a story about how much banks lose annually to CC fraud, I just laugh.

  2. I don't even have to read the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The trick to not worrying about identity theft is to have horrible credit and just about $0 in the bank. I've never got to worry about somebody using my identity. Hell, my identity doesn't even do me any good.

    1. Re:I don't even have to read the article... by ConsumerOfMany · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is also a great way to make sure you never have a girlfriend or not have the choice to be one of those old people greeting me at walmart when they should be playing golf...

    2. Re:I don't even have to read the article... by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      Somebody stole my identity once, but a week later I found it lying on my doorstep with a note of sympathy pinned to its blanket.

      KFG

  3. This article is too Canada-centric by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here in the backwater US, you can get your credit report for free three times a year at http://annualcreditreport.com/ - Check it every four months.

    1. Re:This article is too Canada-centric by curecollector · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm glad people already modded this informative (I guess that's a no-brainer), as I just used my last mod point prior to reading this. I just wanted to say "thanks", as a lot of the sites that claim to offer this info. tend to require enrollment in some program that I have no interest in... and I never actually think of looking this stuff up, at least not when I am near a computer...

      To those who haven't checked out this site: no matter the outcome, it's ~10 minutes very well spent. Check it out.

    2. Re:This article is too Canada-centric by Roofus · · Score: 2, Informative
      It does not affect your score. From this place:


      # Does every inquiry affect a credit score?
      # Anytime your credit report is pulled - including when you order a copy of your credit report directly from the credit reporting agency - an inquiry is added to your report. Only some of those inquiries appear to creditors and therefore impact your credit score. Inquiries that were made for credit cards or loans for which you applied will be shown to creditors and are counted in a credit score. Inquiries added when you request a copy of your credit report or when an employer checks your credit report do not appear to creditors. We are pulling your credit report on your behalf, so the inquiry on your credit report will not be shown to creditors and will not affect your credit score.

      When you request your credit report directly from Experian, it shows you ALL inquiries. This is done so you know who has been looking at your credit. Some inquiries on your report are accompanied by a description of why the report was pulled.
  4. I don't want to be a killjoy, but... by winkydink · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...was there really anything mentioned in that article that your typical /. reader didn't already know?

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    1. Re:I don't want to be a killjoy, but... by pseudorand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, I'd never though of always typing in the wrong pin first to verify that the ATM is actually connected to the ATM network. But I'm also not sure I believe the keylogger keypad connected to wifi thing either. I imagined ATMs were tamper resistant such that the bank would be notified if anything was disconnected.

    2. Re:I don't want to be a killjoy, but... by ericlondaits · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here in Argentina ATM fraud is common.

      Saboteurs install a small keycard reader right next to the keycard reader at the ATM's door, so when you slide your car to enter, both readers get it. Recommendation: open the door with any other card, since the reader only checks for a magnetic strip and not for a valid card.

      As for keypads, they usually install a different keypad over the regular one, which logs key presses and also activates the regular keys, so you notice nothing. The newspaper once showed one of this keyloggers, which had some sort of memory (flash perhaps) and ran on batteries.

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    3. Re:I don't want to be a killjoy, but... by karmatic · · Score: 2, Informative

      Came across one of these locally - I only noticed it because the adhesive had come loose.

      The device was a little over a half inch thick, and had a slot through which the card went. This device was placed over the normal ATM card slot. When you put your card in, it got read by the device, and the ATM sucked it in and read it there.

      I found out from the bank that the PIN was read through a hidden camera nearby. The "nice" thing about a setup like this is that no change is made to the ATM itself. To add insult to injury, even if you type in the wrong PIN first, they still got both on camera, and can pull the mag stripe data from the memory in the device.

  5. This is pretty much what I do by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 4, Informative

    Minor methods like:

    a. shredding the account numbers and names/address on your bills or mail.

    b. taking out the recycling only on recycle day, and making sure none of it contains identifying materials, but that all those are shredded and then mixed.

    c. not taking too much ID with you.

    And realizing that you're being phished. I learned a lot of techniques in the Canadian Armed Forces, when they would try to get information out of our systems by trying to pretend they were from someplace that just needed info, or wanted to verify something.

    Never trust email, don't trust phoners, and never action things that you didn't originate.

    And keep your hand over the other one (shading it) when entering your PIN.

    Canada.com is a website for daily newspapers in Canada, FYI. Always right-click to inspect any links and ensure they go to the correct location before clicking them - and always use URLs you made yourself to access your banking and credit info.

    Now, I've got an underwater tunnel to sell you if you don't want to follow that advice, and I'm sure other people will tell you about all the lotteries you've won, and how a rich religious minister left you money in [NAME OF COUNTRY] ...

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  6. Get your CEH creditial now! by Itninja · · Score: 3, Funny

    Apparently, 'certifed ethical hacker' is an actual cert one can get. But I don't think I would the term 'hacker' to appear anywhere on my resume. Unless I was trying to get a job with some black hat pseudo legal firm...that'd been sweet.

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    1. Re:Get your CEH creditial now! by Drathus · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Apparently, 'certifed ethical hacker' is an actual cert one can get. But I don't think I would the term 'hacker' to appear anywhere on my resume.
      I've actually taken a CEH prep course, but that was because my boss had been pressuring me to take a class, and it was a week away from work paid. The information it covers is very basic, the vast majority of it is based on the "tools" used. They spend a bit of time covering how you're supposed to operate as a CEH, but there's so much material that even with five full day classes we were rushed when moving through it all.
  7. Buy a shredder by Colin+Smith · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hey, it's fun to shred stuff...

    Just don't ever allow your kids to shred anything, even once. If you do, you may find yourself re-filling your taxes, one piece of sellotape at a time.

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    1. Re:Buy a shredder by Incadenza · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just don't ever allow your kids to shred anything, even once. If you do, you may find yourself re-filling your taxes, one piece of sellotape at a time.

      Or have a bunch of fanatic Iranian students do it for you. I have a copy of Documents From the US Espionage Den, volume 5 [6 MB PDF] that is a quite good illustration of why US embassies have been incinerating and not shredding their paper waste since 1979.

  8. Online identity theft = FUD? by porkmusket · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does anyone else think that online identity theft is exaggerated? I mean, I have seen stats for identity theft in general, but not specifically for online identity theft. It strikes me as an insurance company/bank/credit card company ploy to make money. They take the internet, something a lot people don't understand, paint it as a major source of fraud, and ask you to pay $10/mo for their 'identity protection' services.

    I have a feeling that the mjaority involvement of the internet in these crimes is as a vehicle for the transmission or cracking or databases made available by poor security practices.

    1. Re:Online identity theft = FUD? by EtherMonkey · · Score: 3, Informative

      I do security and compliance for a big corporation (100k+ employees). I am not aware of even one case of identity theft via the Internet. I am aware of many cases of fraud via the Internet, where a persons' credit card or bank account number was stolen and/or misused. I suspect that, as pointed out elsewhere, statistics for fraud and identity theft together. This may be because of legislative constraints that includes, and rightfully so, credit card account information as protected personal/financial information. But there's also no doubt that higher numbers makes for more sensational news stories and more compelling selling points for those $10/month protection services.

      100% of the identity theft cases and about 30% of the fraud cases I've helped out with or heard of were not due to any use of the Internet (even though many of the unapproved charges were made to Internet resellers). Disgruntled/dishonest employees, ex-spouses and boyfriends/girlfriends, and neighbors/acquaintances are, in my experience, the top three perpetrators of identity theft. Then there are the randoms: the car salesman that puts through auto loans in other customers' names; the 'crew' that dumpster-dives tax preparation offices and then sells the identities to illegal immigrants.

      If you are reasonably careful and avoid 'risky behavior' on the Internet you are fairly safe from fraud and identity theft. Never give your SSN or birthdate to anyone over the phone, and only the bare minimum as absolutely required on a face-to-face basis (i.e. banks, financial institutions, employers, medical as needed for insurance processing). For anyone else, just make up a SSN and birthdate: there's no point in arguing with people too stupid to understand that there's no legitimate use for that information.

      Never pay for anything by check. ACH fraud is trivial and is probably the most common scam because of the lack of controls and authentication. It can also be the most damaging because, unlike credit-card fraud, the money is gone from your account and you have to convince the bank to put it back. Any organization with either an ACH merchant account with a bank or via one of hundreds of ACH 3rd-party processors can take money from any US bank account with nothing more than your bank's routing number (public information) and your account number (printed on every check). I have been hit with ACH fraud a few times and now order only a one-year supply of checks and then open a new account when the checks run out.

      When paying on-line or over the phone always use your credit card company's 'temporary account number' service. These are time-limited and, optionally, amount-limited account numbers that do not reveal your permanent credit card number. You can set limits for how long they are valid (from one month to one year) and how much total can be charged. Most MasterCard and Visa providers offer this service. You have to be Internet-connected to generate a new number. (American Express pioneered this service but then discontinued it shortly before introducing their enhanced security service, for an extra fee). An added benefit is if someone does make fraudulent use of the temporary account number you know who is at fault for leaking your information.

      If you have the ability, use a separate e-mail address for each financial institution and each vendor you use. If you have your own domain name you can usually configure "catch-all" email forwarding so any incoming email without a matching mailbox gets forwarded to a specific address. This helps identify phishing attempts because you will see email supposedly from, e.g., Citibank Security come into your "ebay@example.com" address instead of the proper "citibank@example.com" address. An added benefit here is being able to identify who is selling your email address (surprisingly, very few).

      And if you deal with illegal, semi-legal, illicit or other fringe sites (porno, high-yield investing, paid-to-surf/email, Ponzi, pirate software/music/video/games, or an

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  9. Get a Prepaid Master Card by mfh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's what I did. Now if some joker gets my numbers, I can simply dump the card and get a new prepaid Master Card. Pfffft, eat that h4xx0rz! ;-)

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  10. Re:well.. by Pollardito · · Score: 4, Funny

    how do i know you verified it on Google and aren't just a co-conspirator with the person that posted the first number?

  11. similar tips for highly mobile (homeless) people by xeno · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's shameless self-promotion, but I just wrote an article on computerworld about basic security and privacy issues for the homeless and/or other perennially wandering folks. There's a little coverage about identity establishment there too, along with general protection of information and resources.

    -Jon

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  12. Simple: post AC! by mangu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't really understand why /. always has these news about protecting one's identity, but when someone wants to post a comment and remain anonymous they call him a "coward"...

    1. Re:Simple: post AC! by Frightening · · Score: 2, Interesting

      but sometimes one wants to make a controversial argument without disturbing our very anonymous little cyber-nickname.

      Ah but you see, that's exactly what cowardice is :D

  13. Use Virtual Credit Card Numbers by dakirw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Some banks allow users to generate virtual credit card numbers (that can have dollar limits and specific expiration dates) for use with online purchases. Probably not a bad idea to buy things online with one of these generated online numbers (using the purchase amount as the limit).

    1. Re:Use Virtual Credit Card Numbers by holdenholden · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have been using such a service for about 3 years. Works great. One caveat though: the actual limit on the virtual card may be 10% higher than the one that you request. My bank adds it because it thinks that I will forget to add the shipping charge and the number will "bounce". Just something to keep in mind. I am not sure if all banks do it.

  14. "Contained" by Short+Circuit · · Score: 2, Insightful
    keeping your personal information contained


    Last week, I tasked myself with determining ways to contact 72 Slashdot users. (People who'd responded to a subset of my journals in the past.) I found email addresses for fifty of them, instant messenger IDs for three others, profiles in other communities for five of them, and other ways to contact all the rest but four. That's a success rate of 94%. Oh, and I didn't spend a cent on acces to databases. Google and WHOIS was sufficient for most of them.

    My recommendations to those in the Slashdot community who want to keep their lives private:

    • Use an anonymizer to sign up for domain names. I found a bunch of email addresses through WHOIS.
    • Don't base your username on the whole or parts of your Real name.
    • Above all, avoid using the same username on multiple communities. If I know your username, and even a small bit of information about your interests (Like, "You read Slashdot"), I can find your profile on plenty of other websites.


    For those of you who've failed any of those three tests already, well, it's likely to be a long, uphill battle if you want to regain your privacy.
  15. Re:similar tips for highly mobile (homeless) peopl by sgt_doom · · Score: 2, Funny

    What I can't figure out is how did you know that Computerworld is the preferred reading material of the homeless?????

  16. All about credit by NineNine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Let's be honest. "Identity theft" is only about the precious "credit rating". "Credit ratings" are useful, true, but they're waaaay overused, primarily because people tend to live faaar beyond their means. A credit rating can only be held over your head if you insist on living on credit. The simple fact of the matter is that by avoiding using credit you don't really have to worry about "identity theft", one of the Big Three screwing up, and you don't have Big Brother watching your every move. People use credit so much that a person's credit rating has become the equivalent of "be good, or it goes on your PERMANENT RECORD" from grade school. It's been an adjustment, but I'm both personally, and business-wise (I own my own business) completely debt-free, and I intend to stay that way.

    In fact, I had a company (BellSouth Advertising) screw up my business listing badly last year. They published my store hours saying that we were closed a day that we're not. I never signed off on that ad. As a result, business is slower that day. Of course, BellSouth Advertising is giving me some bullshit about "you signed off on the previous year, and it says in fine print that if you don't sign off for the next year, that we can still bill you, blah, blah, blah". I told them that I don't pay for anything that I don't agree to, and I certainly won't pay for an ad that hurts my business. They call every few days, and all they can threaten me with is that they'll ding my credit rating. I just smile and say, "that's fine. I'm still not paying."

    That's REAL freedom. I'm not beholden to ANYBODY, from a financial standpoint. How many people in the US today can say that they're financially free?

  17. LOL @ CEH! by ninja_assault_kitten · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love how they make him seem qualitifed because he's a "CERTIFED ETHICAL HACKER". This is equivalent to A+ Certification in the generic IT space.

  18. I call B.S. ..... by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sure, it's great if you can live without credit and get by.... But I occasionally run into someone just like yourself, preaching that the "rest of us" need to stop using credit and achieve "financial freedom" (or some variation on that theme). EG. One of my former bosses that I do some computer work for got that same lecture from his bookkeeper a few months ago. (He was upset that a few incorrect things on his credit report, plus an ex-employee mishandling some bills caused his credit score to drop too low to get a home loan he was seeking for a new investment property.)

    I didn't get in the middle of that particular argument -- but if it was me, I would have told the bookkeeper to shut her trap. The fact is, she was only able to live "credit/debt free" because her husband happened to have a really good paying job - and her salary was just "play money" for them.

    Credit scores *are* important, if only because a smart individual has more options with a good credit score. Credit is simply a tool, and it can be used well or improperly. But without a decent credit score, you've lost access to that "tool" completely.

    People like my former boss leverage their credit to make purchases that help them generate positive cash flow. (He rents out houses after buying them when he sees a good deal on one.)

    In circumstances like your ordeal with BellSouth, I can sympathize - except it's a smarter thing to attack the problem directly, rather than just ignore it and let them damage your credit. If you didn't sign their agreement, you have a great lawsuit right there. Force them to produce the paperwork in court, or else they have to release you from the contract (and you could probably claim damages too, and recoup some of those lossses from the lost business due to their errors!).

    I think you misinterpret "financial freedom" to an extent.... I'd say financial freedom is the ability to buy anything you want or need, when you want or need it. If you're a Bill Gates, you're there already and the "credit tool" is irrelevant. But most of us don't have that kind of cash in the bank.

  19. Re:well.. by BaltikaTroika · · Score: 5, Funny

    The phone number works. Some Nigerian guy answered the phone. After taking my personal information, he offered me this great deal where I just have to let him use my bank account and he'll give me 40% of some dead guy's 20 million dollar estate.

  20. Re:Annual Credit Report by Neil+Blender · · Score: 3, Informative

    How does one get it every 4 months for free

    One per year per agency. Get one from one agency every four months. If anything major happens, you can bet on it being in all three. Minor stuff, like addresses, etc are most likely what will differ from one agency to another and are not so urgent to get fixed.

  21. Equifax by falconwolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I got all of my reports except Equifax. The whole process fails when I get to them. Does this happen to anyone else. I think out of all the credit reporting agencies this one is the most difficult to deal with.

    Of the three major credit report agencies, Equifax is the worst. Especially if you're trying to clean up your credit reports. Even if they're supposed to investigate and delete bad info if they ever get around to it they drag their feet to investigate. They're also supposed to allow you to write a letter to be attached to the report but they loose these. Because they're so bad it's a wonder why anyone would use them.

    Falcon
  22. Re:well.. by holdenholden · · Score: 3, Funny

    Did you mean you googled him or you Googled him?

  23. certifed ethical hacker by falconwolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apparently, 'certifed ethical hacker' is an actual cert one can get. But I don't think I would the term 'hacker' to appear anywhere on my resume. Unless I was trying to get a job with some black hat pseudo legal firm...that'd been sweet.

    I've never heard of any certification for ethical hackers before reading this article. What organization issues the cert? Once upon a tyme I read about the Model Railroad Club at MIT, the WOZ, and others and I wanted to be a hacker like them. Alas back then adjective "ethical" wasn't needed, but reporters and the mass media has bastardized the word. When I read where a reporter goes on about how hackers are bad I want to ask "so why are you a hacker?" Many people may not recall or know it but "hackers" is what reporters were once called. Though I'm not sure I think they are referred to as hackers in "Citizen Kane" made in 1941.

    Falcon
    1. Re:certifed ethical hacker by looney9 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There may be others that also issue the certification, but I earned mine from the EC Council. Web site is at http://www.eccouncil.org/.

  24. Re:well.. by bcat24 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I looked him up on Google, I don't think he's in cahoots with him who's in cahoots with the phone number guy.

  25. All your details are belong to us!! by pr0file · · Score: 2, Informative

    Having had the inside scoop on identity fraud for a long while now I would just like to say that there is a lot that the media/banks and governments are not saying. The crux of it all is this The fraudsters already have your details and they have had them for a long while and when i say a long while i mean years!

    Information security has only reached its peak in the last couple years. Prior to this, it was pretty lax especially during the height of companies outsourcing their call centers to foreign lands and not having a clue about data protection laws in said countries. There were multiple stories of fraudsters going to india with briefcases of cash and offering call center employees the equivalent of 1 years salary for them to pass on customer details. These people didnt pass on the names of one or two people, they passed on whole databases! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4121934.stm

    Nowadays this is a lot more difficult to do, because information security is being taken a ot more seriously, and partly because thousands of people are getting stung.

    IMHO, another reason why identity theft is so prevalent and will continue to be for the foreseeable future is that the weakest link will always be people. You cant bribe a computer system, but you can always bribe a call center employee or an equifax worker. I'll bet that no one reading this is more that 3 degree's of separation away from one of those two people. and besides, they say everyone has a price. If you can convince a couple of young men to blow themselves up, then personally i think it will be a peice of piss to get them to accept a bribe.

    Just like everything else, fraud has and will continue to evolve. Initially it was stolen cheque books and credit cards, now you have elaborate schemes involving huge sums of money and lots of different people but using very little technology. For instance.

    Nothing stops someone from spending a couple of grand putting ads in select newspapers offering loans etc. As soon as some unfortunate person bites, and say requests a loan for $5,000. The appropriate details are taken, and the sum of say $20000 is paid into the account. the recipient is called up a day later and told that themoney is in their account but they were overpaid and needs to send the excess of $15000 via money transfer or bank wire to X country/location ASAP. The "Mugu" at this point does so, and suddenly becomes liable for $20000 while the fraudsters vanish.

    Now you may ask where did the initial $20K come from?? easy.

    Well generally this comes from the account of someone with a lot of money in the bank. it is generally obtained by a frauduent person working in a bank. They will tend to get the details from accounts that they access as part of their job so as not to arouse suspicion. All that is done next is to match the details of this person with their credit report/ identity information obtained earlier, effect a wire transfer.. which can be done over the phone and voila, Robert is your father's brother!

    They way we as humans do things, has to change. We want faster fast food, we open more fast food restaurants, and to cope with demand we pump the chicken full of hormones so that when it is slaughtered after 3 weeks its nice and fat. Then we start complaining about being obese, talking about being cruel to animals, worrying about what those hormones are doing to us. Yet we are the ones that demand faster fast food.

    Its the same with banking, we want more convenience, we want to be able to bank online, but cant be bothered to secure our home computers against key loggers, we want lesser charges so banks operate call centers in far flung countries. Its all about what WE want. But we forget, that with the increases in our reliance on technology and our demands for "more" there are always risks that will have to be dealt with and until those risks are acknowledged there will always be victims. This goes for every facet of our existence.

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    Tis, brakes that allow cars go fast!
  26. Re:How does one judge "ethical"? by rohan972 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Something like: has a knowable standard of behavior and lives by it.

    It's about predictability. I have friends with a different standard of ethics than I do, but that's ok, if I know what it is, I can know what to trust them with.

    Not a conclusive definition, but that's a fair part of how I assess ethics.

  27. CEH = bogus cert by brennz · · Score: 2, Informative

    CEH is like an "i'm a newbie badge" for security. Think of it as one step below security+

    Anyone can pick up a book and learn how to run vuln scanners or use prepackaged exploits.

    If people want to go to some real security training, I recommend http://www.immunitysec.com/education-overview.shtm l

    Dave Aitel is both technically brilliant and incredibly funny - a rare combination.