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Lessig Defends Free Culture in Keynote

lisah writes "Professor Larry Lessig, a keynote speaker at this week's Linux World Expo, took issue with current copyright laws and their effect on a free read-write culture. Lessig says that, by today's standards, the simple act of creating a video mashup renders its creator a 'pirate' and argued for sweeping changes that would embrace a fair use culture. Lessig asked the audience to consider sharing works under a Creative Commons license and redirect money they would spend on restricted content to organizations that support a fair use and free culture. He says that opponents of a free read-write culture have strong financial and political backing so unified community support is crucial. 'If the debate is controlled by lawyers and lobbyists...," says Lessig, 'this debate will be lost.'"

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  1. Interesting... by Humming+Frog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's interesting to see how this affects different media. Creating and posting a mash-up of the Harry Potter films would be grounds for a lawsuit, and yet there's nothing to stop millions of thirteen-year-olds writing terrible fanfic and posting it all over the internet. Oh, the horror!

    1. Re:Interesting... by BootNinja · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Some authors, such as Orson Scott Card actively discourage fanfiction and takes measures to prevent it. Following is Card's own words on the subject:
      http://www.hatrack.com/research/interviews/yoda-pa tta.shtml
      (at the bottom of the page)
      Question
      How do you feel about your fans writing "fanfiction" using characters that are already established by you (e.g, Ender, Valetine, etc.)?

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      I'm flattered; and then, if they try to publish it (including on the net) except in very restricted circumstances, I will sue, because if I do NOT act vigorously to protect my copyright, I will lose that copyright -- and that is the only inheritance I have to leave my family. So fan fiction, while flattering, is also an attack on my means of livelihood. It is also a poor substitute for the writers' inventing their own characters and situations. It does not help them as writers; it can easily harm me; and those who care about my stories and characters know that what I write is "real" and has authority, and what fans write is not and does not. So it's all pointless. I'd prefer simply to ignore it when it happens, but the way copyright law functions, I am told that I cannot ignore it. So there it is.
      Now, my understanding of copyright law is that you can selectively enforce it much like a patent, so Card may be mistaken here. Is anybody able to set me straight?
    2. Re:Interesting... by penix1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Of course there's nothing to stop those 13 year olds from acting in terrible harry potter fan made films either"

      Except copyright law itself. The derivative works part of copyright keeps that from happening.

      So yes, those 13 year olds can be sued for just such a performance especially if they released it.

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    3. Re:Interesting... by penix1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      See my post above about derivative works. Copyright law does prohibit derivative works. So Card can (and it appears from the post above will) sue those violating the derivative works clause of copyright.

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  2. Money! by andrewman327 · · Score: 3, Interesting


    How much money would this culture cost the entertainment producers? If fair use is really fair then it should still allow


    I do not think that media should be allowed to be replayed for free. Significant amounts of money went into making TV shows and movies and the like and any system must ensure that the producer gets his cut. Contrary to the demands of my sig, not all information should be completely free. Using the CC license is a happy medium. The I really think that this speaker has the right approach, so to speak. From TFA:

    He also noted that there are two ways of approaching the argument for free culture. The first is the "lefty" way of talking about ideals, which doesn't seem to get very far with many people. The "right" approach discusses why expanded rights for users under copyright law would be good for business, good for growth, and good for the economy and society.
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    1. Re:Money! by penix1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "- mandatory copyright registration. No-reg was efficient when outlets were few. Now that billions are publishing on the web, it's impossible (read: costly) to track down rightholders and licenses. *Very* inefficient. But registering and searching can now be done very cheaply, thanks to th web."

      Copyright registration requirements wasn't cut out due to few outlets but to comply with the Berne Convention requirements.

      See "1886: Berne Convention" and "1976: Revision of the U.S. Copyright Act "

      on

      http://www.arl.org/info/frn/copy/timeline.html

      In short, it is a result of the fighting over copyright terms between Europe and the US that is continuing today in the form of WIPO.

      "- exponential renewal costs. If the heirs of Elvis, or Disney, want to keep something copyright protected for 100 years, fine with me, as long as they pay for to compensate for the impairment it causes to artists who are creating *now* and consumers who are paying 100* cost for a CD."

      This one just went right over my head...The term extensions were enacted to comply with treaties agreed upon by nations around the globe. It is part of what I like to refer to as the Copyright Cold War. It works like this:

      Europe sees the US doing something that is making them gobs of money and hinders them from making the same gobs. We can't have that so we propose a treaty to make things "uniform". Now Europe is making the same gobs of money and the US can't have that. Software patents in Europe is the latest thing the US is pushing for ...Wash, rinse, and repeat.

      The weapon in all this is trade sanctions. Any nation that doesn't enforce those treaties is immediately demonized and trade sanctions are used to force compliance. It is happening today to China. The US is proposing trade sanctions against China unless it tightens up its "intellectual property" laws.

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  3. Re:Sadly... by hamfactorial · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've always felt that the reason DRM and content restrictive licenses don't drum up more outrage is simply because most people are entertainment sinks. Media and content goes into their ears and eyes and then doesn't do anything. The creative types, the young folks learning about mixed media on computers, and the artists are in such small number that their outrage over being stifled goes unnoticed by everyone else. If more people actually used the media as a means of creative expression and not just a disposable good, we wouldn't have this issue. Note that I have no idea how to fix it, I'm just bitching about cause/effect.

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  4. Rise, hippies! Rise!! by Almahtar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Redirecting spending money from copyrighted content to independent artists releasing their work under the Creative Commons license is akin to becoming vegan/veggetarian: It requires willpower, it requires sometimes going for what is best when it's not what you want, and overall it's worth it. It's also doomed to failure in an instant gratification culture.

    It has my support, though, for what that's worth. I wish the idea the best of luck, and I gladly participate.

    1. Re:Rise, hippies! Rise!! by MrAndrews · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's a big problem for the CC movement at the moment... it DOES require willpower for the average person to go "free". It's a lot easier in software, but entertainment is still the domain of the big players. And it's not really a valid argument that big companies are the only ones making good stuff... but they spend a lot of money to maintain the image that non-Big Label content is amateurish. You "hit it big" when you sign with a multinational company, and until then, you're just building your portfolio.

      Open source software folks are probably the best ones to realize the flaw in that argument, since by the same standards something like Linux would only be for amateurs. But still I think we all view indie content as necessarily lower-quality, which makes the whole thing a self-fulfilling prophecy... artists see no reason to be professional amateurs so they DO hold out for the big labels. We'd rather watch Firefly on DVD than support some of the cool things web artists (working under CC) want to do.

      If everyone that reads Slashdot pledged to spend $10 a month on CC content, I bet you'd see a lot more quality content emerge, and it'd require a lot less willpower to swear off copyrighted things completely.

  5. Re:Just Give Me Copyright Sanity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I can write a graphic novel or do a film about vampires, fictitious lords, cartoon mice, or almost anything I imagine BUT they'd better not be obvious copies of characters in works protected by copyright, and they better not be named after counterparts in copyrighted works (except for the purposes of parody which is fair use). That's no different than saying that I can start a techie news blog/forum to rival this one, but I'd better not call it "slashtech.com", and better not cut and paste large swatches of content that was originally published here, or I'd probably get a series of nasty emails from an OSTG-retained lawyer until I ceased and desisted.

    OK, you say, that's all part of running a business, as far as the last part goes. BUT that's exactly what the kind of unpleasant stuff that folks in the media business deal with every day - and their stake is much greater because their assets are primarily their content, as opposed to hosting a site to facilitate discussion.

  6. Lessig is subsidized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    You have to remember, however, that Lessig is able to be "generous" because he is "subsidized." In other words, as a professor, he draws a hefty salary (typically over $100,000 annually) with low health insurance rates , and anything else is gravy. In addition, he has retirement pension and benefits.

    However, if you are a screenwriter or an author or independent artist, you don't necessarily have the luxury of giving away your creative works for free, because that IS your livelihood, and you are probably working on it 24 hours a day, whether conciously or subconsiously (i.e. thinking about it even while you are sleeping). An artist may have a lot of success now, but the artist's next work may be a failure and lose money. Buying independent health insurance can cost about $175 per month alone. Plus an independent artist will not necessarily have retirement fund with matching employer contributions as Lessig has.

    Lessig is passionate about free stuff because it benefits HIM, not artists. He stands everything to GAIN, and nothing to lose, plus he's getting paid for it. Giving away his book for free is just part of the charade.

    1. Re:Lessig is subsidized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I'm always amused how practically none of the people who are enthusiastic about free sharing of copyrighted material have created any memorable works of art that are still in high demand. Instead, the charge is led by bloggers and lawyers... great, they won't have much problem if I copy the stuff they dashed off on the spur of the moment in reaction to some news or opinion piece, just like what I'm writing here. That's mighty generous that they may be willing (possibly with some restrictions, but we'll let that slide) to let us copy those precious insights, but I think I'll pass on the offer. What Lessig does is not art and it's not literature. It's just more lawyering in a country that greatly overcompensates its lawyers.

      Then we have a few aging rock or folk musicians like Janis Ian are trying to re-establish their connection with fans (woo-hoo! so I can download "At seventeen"!). But how about the Rolling Stones, Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Radiohead, big guns like that who are still selling lots of albums. You don't see it.

  7. Lessig needs to rant less and lobby more by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Lessig is starting to sound like Stallman. Stallman is more effective, though. What we need is some serious lobbying, along the following lines:

    • Copyright harmonization The US should not go beyond the 50 years of the TRIPS agreement. 50 years from first publication, copyright expires. That's it. Free Elvis! (The US can do that unilaterally. Less than 50 years requires international negotiation.)
    • Make copy protection illegal for uncopyrightable material If you can't copyright it, you can't use technical means to protect it.
    • Enforce the Audio Home Recording Act Any arrangement between manufacturers and/or content distributors to restrict rights guaranteed to consumers is illegal restraint of trade.
    • Free spectrum, free content If it goes out over the free airwaves, like TV channels for which broadcasters do not pay, it can't be copy protected.
    Now that's a reasonable agenda to lobby for.
  8. Artists rights as usual forgotten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Rant on.

    Mashups are not fair use for the artist unless the artist releases the work for use as a mashup. If you create a mashup you *are* infringing a copyright -- AND more importantly, a moral and ethical right. The creator of a work has the right to ensure that that work is only seen in a form which the creator approves of. If the artist releases it for use in a mashup, fine. If not, it is not yours to play with. Just because it is easy to steal material and make a mashup does not mean it should be legal. It's easy to spit on people in the street and scratch your keys down someone's door; doesn't mean it should be legal.

    And don't tell me there's 'no harm' in it. If I am an artist and you misrepresent my work, you are harming my reputation. You might scare off potential customers, whatever. Even if you label the work as derivative, people seeing will still use it, consciously or not, to help form an opinion on the underlying art.

    You could argue that the extra exposure might benefit an artist. BUT it is THEIR choice if they chase that extra exposure or not, not a mashup artist's choice.

    A lot of internet discussion revolves around the user's rights, the big fat corporations trying to protect their wallets, all that emotional crap. THe actualt creators, off which 99% of the web feeds like a parasite, get squashed between the two.

    Rant off.

    1. Re:Artists rights as usual forgotten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      In an ideal world, artistic integrity would not take a backseat to the desires of content hoarders. This isn't that world. The problem that we have now is actually created by copyright. The duration of copyright makes the accumulation of copyrighted material desirable. Entities exist entirely to hoard this form of IP, taking as many rights for the content from the artists as is practiceable. Once they own the rights, they can do anything with the content. This includes displaying the content in ways that the artist does not agree with, as well as preventing its distribution.

      Were copyright limited to a reasonable amount of time, corporations would have neither the desire nor the ability to hoard older material. Indeed, there would be more of an incentive to locate newer, more adventurous material. Material that comes from a wider pool of smaller artists. The fact is, artists are competing commercially with copyrighted material created 50+ years ago, and will continue to do so unless copyright laws are corrected.

  9. Re:He's dead wrong by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd put my money on his publisher ('s lawyers) intentionally feeding him lies so he prevents fan works from competing with any sequels.

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