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Is Your Laptop At Risk While Traveling?

Editorgirl35 writes "Here's an interesting story on DesignNews.com With last week's announcement that the British government thwarted an alleged terrorist attack planned for flights from the U.K. to the U.S., news that travelers are required to check their laptops as baggage on some flights has raised a new level of panic as they try to figure out the best way to protect their laptops."

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  1. Baggage Check? by nurb432 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, thats really safe..

    Some laptops ( and most pdas ) can turn them selves on at a predetermined time.. Just estimate the time for maximum impact, laptop turns on and detonates the 'extra' battery that is made up of C4.. now you have a nice big hole in the bottom of the plane..

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    1. Re:Baggage Check? by Aadain2001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If that happens, instead of the plane blowing up you get the airport terminal. Either one causes damange, loss of life, and really hurts the international economy (extra 'security' at the airports). We just need to face it, there is no silver bullet or extra security measure we can take that will guarenty safty from terrorist attacks. At this point, we are getting zero returns on the extra effort and cost. I would rather go back to more customer friendly airports than have this illusion of protection we have right now.

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    2. Re:Baggage Check? by imuffin · · Score: 5, Funny

      C4? That's a lot of work. I just use a Dell.

    3. Re:Baggage Check? by Alien+Being · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The most important thing with regard to protection against airline terrorism is that the bad guy not be allowed to take control of a 3.3 terajoule aircraft (guided missile). The solution is to lock the cockpit door. El Al understood this 30 years ago and the FAA realized that it was true on the morning of 9/11.

      energy density of jet fuel
      fuel capacity of a 767

      ( 5.62 million btu/ barrel ) * 23980 gallons == 3.3 terajoules

    4. Re:Baggage Check? by Aadain2001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's the problem with actually paying attention: once you learn just how easy the systems are to defeat, you stop buying the illusion and acknowledge the reality of our security. If someone like Bin Laden wants to attack the US again, they will. And it won't be with an airplane, it will be from a cargo ship (*cough*Seattle*cough*). Or it will be some people hiking into the US from Canada or from Mexico. It will be a home-grown terrorist (Oklahoma) or someone on the inside (USPO). However it happens, all the money and effort put into the illusion won't stop it.

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  2. How about as hand-luggage? by aslate · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's right, you're able to take them onboard the plane again. Baggage advice for UK passengers.

  3. by 2010... by rahrens · · Score: 4, Funny

    Only nudists will be allowed to fly!

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  4. Not so chic, but equality protective by dgerman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Pelican Cases have a good reputation, but they don't look as chick as the Halliburton. LowePro also makes some hard cases for cameras, but they don't take a computer (yet, I am sure it will very soon); they are a hardcase and a matching bag inside it.

    The reality is that you don't want attention on your bag, as it might be stolen. I just recommended a person
    to take the Styrofoam that came with the laptop to get to Heathrow. At least the laptop arrived in a working
    condition.

    I think the optimal solution is to find something that looks like regular luggage. Perhaps buying a cheap, beaten up luggage bag (garage sale?) to put the computer inside. Use duct tape and dirt for extra effect, and geek chicness.

  5. If the ban persisted, business would suffer by rufusdufus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The ban was lifted already. As it had to be. Business travellers routinely carry laptop computers with confidential client information on them, they would be negligent if they checked them into the current baggage handling system. Forget about the laptop being damaged since it is possible to package it safely, but the possibility of lost client data would be too high of a risk.
    While a permanent laptop ban would have a serious impact on certain types of businesses and travellers, it would have an even more serious impact on the airlines when their primary client base was forced to use charter aircraft.

  6. Long Lines by dduardo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People should be more concerned about the long lines being created by all the security. There is nothing stopping terrorists from taking out all the people standing around waiting to get through security. High concentration of people in one area == prime oportunity.

    1. Re:Long Lines by rufusdufus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is how we know that that 'terrorusts' don't want to 'kill amerkuns'. If killing was their primary goal, they could start blowing up any sort of public event that have no security like concerts, movies, town meetings, carnivals, or krispy kreme openings.
      The goal is to blow up symbols to inspire fear in the populace by use of mass media. There have been bombs set in discos and the past, but those didn't effect public behavior much at all, people kept on dancin.

  7. Re:If a dell laptop exploded on a plane... by MustardMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, hippies use apples... and... terroists use dells?

  8. Carry-On or Not At All by ewhac · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "I refuse to participate in your shared hallucination." -- Dilbert

    Fortunately I don't travel by air very often. And, as has been pointed out by others, the laptop ban has been lifted (wealthier, more powerful people than I have likely already informed the appropriate scaremongers what a losing proposition this was). Even so, there's no way I'm putting a laptop through checked baggage. Luggage gets lost. Luggage gets tossed around very roughly. And items are known to go "missing" from luggage.

    No. Not my laptop. It stays with me, or it stays home.

    Schwab

    1. Re:Carry-On or Not At All by grcumb · · Score: 4, Insightful
      '"I refuse to participate in your shared hallucination." -- Dilbert'

      Wise words. I wish more people would live by them

      I would find this whole airport security thing rather amusing, if it weren't such a pain in the tuckus. I think Bruce Schneier summed it up rather nicely in his latest Crypto-gram when he characterised all these draconian restrictions as 'Security Theatre' - something that looks like security to those who don't know any better, but ultimately has no real effect.

      He also points out that if we're to learn anything from this event, it's that classical police/intelligence operations work. Authorities knew about the would-be bombers well in advance, they learned as much as they could about the cell, then shut it down before it could do damage. Biometric IDs, airport baggage checks, no-fly lists and other kinds of security theatre contributed nothing whatsoever to the outcome.

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  9. Ship it ahead by gooman · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used to do a lot of travel for work, lugging product samples all over the world.
    I always travel with carry-on only. Since 9-11, I won't even bother trying to bring samples.
    The airport experience is simply the worst part of traveling.

    Pick a carrier any carrier (UPS, FedEX, DHL, etc.) and ship what you need to your hotel.
    As long as you pack it well (and insure it, of course) it will be waiting for you in your room when you arrive.
    Trust me, it seems like a lot of extra trouble at first, but its worth it.

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  10. 10 minutes * 60 passengers by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please arrive at your gate 10 hours early so that our one certified laptop cavity searcher can accomodate everyone...

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  11. Not worried about damage, but theft... by Hamster+Lover · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I fly quite a bit in Canada and would never check my laptop, iPod, digital camera or anything else valuable as I would be afraid of theft more than damage. I've never had a theft, but I have heard horror stories from people, mainly international travelers, that have returned home only to find a video camera, liquor, jewelery or some other item stolen from checked luggage.

    I do have a friend that works on the ramp, as it's called, stowing and retrieving bags from aircraft. He told me that theft isn't a problem domestically because they're watched so carefully with video cameras and security, but most importantly they just don't have the time or opportunity to pull someone's bag aside and rifle through it. He said international flights are a different story as bags are checked hours before the flight actually leaves, but he still doesn't think it's a big problem. I won't take my chances though and will continue to carry my digital/video camera and laptop onboard.

    1. Re:Not worried about damage, but theft... by abscissa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yup, you should be modded up.

      I had a Palm Tunsgten PDA and an Apple iBook (old G3 blueberry model) stolen out of my luggage at La Guardia. Only reason I put it in there was because it was broken. I had also just bought a new iPod (thanksfully I carried it with me) but the stupid fucks stole all the iPod cables and dock, which I'm sure were worthless to them.

      At the end of the day I was out the Palm PDA and the iPod stuff, and the laptop was probably worth something. Then of course, the airline folded. I suspect the only reason I lost the PDA was because the (broken) laptop was in there so the thieves decided to look harder, and of course stole the iPod power cables...

      DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT, EVER put anything of any value in your luggage!!

  12. Re: TSA stealing from luggage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You aren't paranoid if they really are out to get you...or your stuff:
    TSA Under Fire for Rising Theft by Baggage Screeners

    "It's a huge security threat," said aviation industry consultant Michael Boyd. "If we've got the kind of people who would steal things out of bags, we're not sure if we have people on the job who will put things into bags. And obviously we don't have enough scrutiny of the bags once they're checked. It's huge."

  13. As someone who travels to Latin America... by ChePibe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As someone who gets to Latin America every once in a while (thus the name...), I would NEVER check my laptop, electronics, or ANYTHING of value in my baggage. NEVER.

    Theft occurs often enough in the U.S. to make me at the very least give serious pause... in Latin America? In Argentina, for example, a country where you have almost no hope of receiving anything more than a disposable camera in the mail, there is NO way I would entrust my laptop to their baggage handlers, not to mention my camera, iPod, etc.

    It looks like the security is being toned down a little bit now, and I hope and pray it stays at the present level.

    I would also appreciate it if people would stop planning to blow up airplanes - can y'all just knock that off, please? Thanks, guys.

  14. Re:Soln: Profile passengers, or go on pretending. by bursch-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not all Muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are Muslims.

    Sure, and everyone eating Sauerkraut and wearing Lederhosen must be a German, if you see someone wearing a ten-gallon hat and chew chewing gum it must be an American, Asian in school uniform an naked? It's definitely a Japanese.

    To adjust your splendid world view, here's some food for thought http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_org anisations.

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  15. shouldn't that be.. by myowntrueself · · Score: 5, Informative

    instead of:
    With last week's announcement that the British government thwarted an alleged terrorist attack planned for flights from the U.K. to the U.S

    With last week's announcement that the British government allegedly thwarted a terrorist attack planned for flights from the U.K. to the U.S

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  16. And thus justify the extremists... by the_raptor · · Score: 4, Insightful
    By doing that all you would achieve would be to justify the extremists claims that the west is persecueting Islam, thus gaining them even more support. Where do you go from there? About the only place to go is to take Muslims out behind the chemical sheds and shoot them, because you will have guaranteed even more terrorist attacks by a persecuted population. This is because security will never be good enough to stop a determined attacker, as that would cost so much money that air travel would cease to be economically viable.

    Oh and flashback to last century anyone?


    "Guarantee? No, but prohibiting Irish Catholics from going into pubs (or at least giving them an extra-thorough level of scrutiny) will make a huge improvement. Religion is the single defining characteristic of modern terrorists who seek to destroy pubs full of patrons. And it's not Scientologists or Mormans we're talking about here, it's Irish Catholics.

    Not all Irish Catholics are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are Irish Catholic. And quite a large percentage are sympathizers as demonstrated by recent polls in America showing support for the recently foiled plot to kill a few thousand British in pubs. Call it flamebait if you want, but it is true. Nearly all pub bombings and intentional attacks on civilians have been done in the name of Irish Republicanism (which is nearly exclusively Irish Catholic). The world can go on pretending that's not the case, but until we are willing to at least identify the well-defined group of people responsible for most of this mayhem, increased security will be a pipe dream."
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    1. Re:And thus justify the extremists... by forgotten_my_nick · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > Oh and flashback to last century anyone?

      Disturbing but your rewording is exactly what went on in the 70's in England. Even though my parents were not religous I got moved to a Catholic school in England instead of a public school after IRA attacks basically enraged locals to attack Irish people who had nothing what-so-ever to do with it.

  17. It's simple - I don't use UK airports anymore by The+Mutant · · Score: 5, Informative

    American, living in London, on the road betweet three to five days a week. I usually travel via Heathrow although sometimes I'm out of Gatwick.

    I now use City Airport as much as possible, but they only provide short haul service into the continent.

    For long haul flights I now Eurostar to Paris or Amsterdam where I pick up a connecting flight.

    The fundamental problem is BAA, the airport operator, has declined to add staff to perform the required searches manually, thus protecting their profits. And the airlines are just as bad, attempting to maintain the same flight schedules to preserve revenue.

    So the passengers are caught in the middle, and we're expected to strip down to our underwear and file, arms crossed above our heads, gratefully onto to the waiting aircraft.

    Not me, and many like me. Business class travelers are avoiding this circus in droves.

    We're all either using smaller airports that were not impacted like Heathrow / Gatwick or, if a long flight is needed (I'm off to Cairo in two weeks), we're taking the train to Paris or Amsterdam, and picking up a connecting flight from there.

    None of the continental airports are doing this crap. None of the Asian airports are doing this crap. Even the US isn't going this far.

    Make no mistake about it - this is all about protecting profits. Nothing more.

  18. Silly by L.Bob.Rife · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nothing says you are a professional more, than showing up to a presentation and hoping your client has some way for you to present your information. In the business world, showing up with a usb stick wont cut it. What if you get last minute changes? Going to borrow a clients computer to do your work on?

    Presentations are meant to impress somebody. People dont hop onto a jet and fly around the world to impress their underlings. If you cant spend $1k on a laptop, and $1k on a projector, my company wont be providing what you cant afford, and wont be doing business with you.

  19. Re:Soln: Profile passengers, or go on pretending. by Skrynesaver · · Score: 4, Insightful
    To bring up a bit of history, (Those who don't learn it are forced to repeat it and all that).
    • The IRA were a small group of nutters in the mid 60's.
    • The civil rights movement were demanding all sorts of outrageous things like equal access to education, employment and housing.
    • The Northern Ireland statelet was discriminatory to it's core.
    • Police and pseudo-military police were used to baton charge peaceful civil rights protestors
    • The IRA "was standing up to them" unlike those dippy civil rights types
    • The IRA gained lots of angry young recruits
    • After 30 years of pointless bloodshed the civil rights demands are being met. Though a lot of hatred has been alowed to develop in the interm

    If were honest about the way Palestinians have been treated we'd realise that we in the west are setting up a similar scenario on a larger scale and as a previous poster said in the end we'll have to talk to Hezbolah & Hamas, or if we hang on a while longer a more extreme group will be sure to come along.
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  20. Re:Soln: Profile passengers, or go on pretending. by atomicstrawberry · · Score: 5, Funny
    Asian in school uniform an naked?

    Is this some new, more appealing take on Schrodinger's Cat?

  21. Not high enough capacity? by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Using trains to deliver bombs has been described in great (fictional) detail in 'A Big Boy Did And Ran Away' by Christopher Brookmyer.

    Simply put:-

    • Board train with suitcase filled with explosives at any station - minimal security.
    • Leave suitcase in suitable location and leave train. Here in the UK no one would touch it
    • Use timer/gps to detonate bomb at suitable location. Suggestions given were:-
      • As train passes suitable military base
      • As train passes through suitable urban area
    And even without the gps/timer aspect, consider what would happen if a bomb went of in a major rail station of your choice in a city of your choice during the rush hour. Remember 7/7/05? Those were baby bombs delivered by amateurs.
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  22. Re:Soln: Profile passengers, or go on pretending. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Schrodinger's Pussy ?