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DoD Study Urges OSS Adoption

Krishna Dagli writes to mention an Ars Technica article about the Open Technology Development road map, a report for the U.S. government advising the DoD on ways to integrate OSS into DoD policies. From the article: "The report argues that the standard practices associated with purchasing of physical goods are not adequate or fully applicable to software. According to the report, the DoD is 'limiting and restricting the ability of the market to compete for the provision of new and innovative solutions and capabilities' by 'treating DoD-developed software code as a physical good.' The report also points out that utilizing open source technology will force the commercial software industry to respond with greater agility and competitiveness."

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  1. I find it amazing.. by BigZaphod · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .. that the U.S. Government can be both very insightful and astonishingly full of crap at the same time. How do these insightful people get their jobs? Or, perhaps a better question: How do they manage to keep them? They must have will-power on par with the likes of Superman himself to exist in that kind of environment.

    1. Re:I find it amazing.. by vishbar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lots of people in the U.S. government are quite insightful and intelligent. It's just that the insane ones get all the press.

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    2. Re:I find it amazing.. by Coryoth · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Lots of people in the U.S. government are quite insightful and intelligent. It's just that the insane ones get all the press.


      I think there's also the issue of insight being filtered through far too many layers and far too many minds. Take Slashdot as an example. There are actually some insightful people here (no, really, it's true). On the other hand consider what filters out as the so called Slashdot Groupthink: not especially insightful. Spread a well thought out insight thin enough through a whole bunch of people who simply latch on to the end result without doing any of the thinking to get there and you often end up with something that isn't especially insightful anymore.

  2. Well... by fitten · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What if other projects adopt "no military" clauses like we've seen lately? This certainly has to be in the list of risks that the DoD will face.

    Anyway, other than toolkits and general systems (a Linux based workstation to compile code on, use OpenOffice to write documents, and such) there's not going to be a lot of OSS that will be reusable for the developers since they will be writing software for missile guidance systems and interfacing to hardware not generally available to the public. Some GUI toolkits, maybe, and GCC, of course.

    Plus, how will GPL's clauses about not having to release code for things you do on-site relate to the contractor/subcontractor relationships that are present in DoD projects and if parts are sold to other countries (like selling an F-16 to Israel, for example)?

    I'm obviously not talking much about office productivity and listening to mp3s and stuff because I'm pretty sure that's not what the DoD is talking about here.

    1. Re:Well... by zlogic · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Plus, how will GPL's clauses about not having to release code for things you do on-site relate to the contractor/subcontractor relationships that are present in DoD projects and if parts are sold to other countries (like selling an F-16 to Israel, for example)?
      What's wrong with Israel modifying F-16 flight software and submitting patches back to the US? If they sell the planes they're friendly enough to share source code. And besides, if they write their own software rather than modify or link GPLed stuff, they don't have to release anything. Just like VMWare, Cedega, Nero Linux and others.
    2. Re:Well... by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well the no military clauses are stupid and harmful.
      The military does a lot more than drop bombs and shoot missiles.
      Think of all the meteorology and oceanography that they do.
      The military does accounting, logistics, and simulation work all the time.
      They prepare graphics, presentations, send email, and run websites.
      The build schools, roads, and phone systems.
      They run hospitals and provide disaster relief.
      During Katrina the Navy, Coast Guard, Army, and Air Force along with the national guard saved a lot of people.
      During the aftermath of the Indonesian Tsunami the US Navy provided a lot of humanitarian relief.
      There are many areas that could generate useful OSS code.

      The countries that have some civilian oversight like the US, Germany, Japan, UK, and Australia will not benefit while countries like North Korea, Iran, China, and Syria will not care about any clause. As I said stupid and harmful.
      I guess for them it is a case of Free as in only if you agree with me.

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    3. Re:Well... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Insightful


      What if other projects adopt "no military" clauses like we've seen lately? This certainly has to be in the list of risks that the DoD will face.


      I doubt it, as that's not a clause of the standard GPL, and a pretty stupid clause to boot. If people want to complain that their screwdriver was eventually used to attach two pieces of a bomb, they should be protesting the decisions that require bombs to be made and used, not refusing to allow their screwdriver to be used in military applications since it's simply untennable. If war is to be waged, war machines will be made, using your code or no. Eliminate the root cause, not innefectually stymie the effect just to have a slightly clearer conscience.

      Frankly I think it's dumb. Look at what the NSA has done for open source; the DoD could theoretically provide similar benefits. The DoD will continue to exist. Having the OSS community benefit from DoD development would be a good way for us to directly benefit from their continued existence.

      Anyway, other than toolkits and general systems (a Linux based workstation to compile code on, use OpenOffice to write documents, and such) there's not going to be a lot of OSS that will be reusable for the developers since they will be writing software for missile guidance systems and interfacing to hardware not generally available to the public. Some GUI toolkits, maybe, and GCC, of course.

      The DoD does a lot more than write code for missles. They crunch masses of data on commercially available parts, and OSS will be very useful for them in that regard. Also, I doubt that the embedded systems for missles are really that exotic -- they may be using hardened versions of microcontrollers, but I doubt they'll be using some completely esoteric ISA that would be difficult to port an OSS real-time OS to.

      Plus, how will GPL's clauses about not having to release code for things you do on-site relate to the contractor/subcontractor relationships that are present in DoD projects and if parts are sold to other countries (like selling an F-16 to Israel, for example)?

      If they sell it to other countries or give it to contractors, then it's no longer on-site as you've distributed it. In which case, distributing the source would be appropriate. By the same logic that you chose OSS in the first place, your customers, e.g. Israel, would want to be able to view the source code for validation and maintenence purposes.

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    4. Re:Well... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2, Insightful
      What if other projects adopt "no military" clauses like we've seen lately?

      Then they are not free software. They are shareware 'but you can look at the source code' or something like that. You'd class them together with all the other trial versions, 'evaluation licences' and FREE DOWNLOADS!!! that clog up the net.
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    5. Re:Well... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For the same reason, I doubt the US would open up their F-16 software. Any bugs (remember that all software contains them) that could be exploited by another government simply by scrutinizing the source code create a tactical disadvantage.

      Refusing to release the code used for control systems is one of the reasons why NATO agreements for a common platform have started to exclude the US. The US basically said, "hey it will be easier if we can share munitions and if you guys build your fighters on the same designs we do. Also, you can just buy the parts from American companies and it will make them cheaper for everyone. Then, they refused to share the code they use to run the hardware, making the whole thing unfeasible and making it cheaper for them to design their own systems, which most of Europe can share but we can't.

      Which is exactly what 's being done right now.

      Actually, countries are sharing, just not with the US or vice versus.

      Open sourcing the F-16 software would give no advantage to any government, not even the one buying the F-16. They'll most likely just be more interested in the technical manual of the systems onboard and hand those to an engineer, than they would be in the source code itself.

      This is certainly not true. As I understand, it was the deal breaker that prevented a common NATO fighter plane platform from being adopted by the US and Europe.

    6. Re:Well... by just_another_sean · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What if other projects adopt "no military" clauses like we've seen lately?

      To me your statement just illustrates why the RMS concept of free software is more meaningful than OSS. The GPL and the Debian Free Software Guidleines specifically state that these type of exclusionary clauses are not Free Software. OSS just muddies the water here. Originally created to be more "business friendly" OSS licenses that aren't really Free, like other finely worded clauses, laws and other semantic trickery, just ends up being abused.

      Perhaps the DOD should rethink their report and use/recommend Free as in Freedom software. Hell it even irked me a little when Fyodor told SCO they couldn't distribute nmap anymore. And I hate those bastards!

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    7. Re:Well... by Mithrandir · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Anyway, other than toolkits and general systems (a Linux based workstation to compile code on, use OpenOffice to write documents, and such) there's not going to be a lot of OSS that will be reusable for the developers since they will be writing software for missile guidance systems and interfacing to hardware not generally available to the public. Some GUI toolkits, maybe, and GCC, of course.

      Fortunately, you are wrong on this. The majority of the work that my company does is OSS work for the military and research institutions. Much of the work is sharable between those worlds, and increasingly, commercial entities. One such example is a command and control system for autonomous underwater vehicles. Not only useful to the military, but also to the many different marine research institutes, both privately and publically funded.

      We have many other applications that have started in one side of the field or the other as research projects, then with a bit of munging to be useful as a "commericial" application, have ended up being usable by other parties. Another example is a world builder and behavioural analysis program. Build the world from real models, apply agent-based behaviours, then toss it at a large grid computing backend to provided monte-carlo-style analysis of the results. That basic infrastructure has all sorts of uses both commercial and private. Most of them have been originally funded by military development, with the explicit contract provisions that it be made open sourced (typically with no specific license required, but the preference for GPL or LGPL depending on where the code sits in the application stack).

      While this sort of business model was a struggle even 2 years ago, things are radically different now. Almost everywhere we go the military types are specifically looking for either open source or open standards. The big change we noticed in that was at I/ITSEC last year. Siggraph this year was also very much along that way. Way too many in the government side of military contract have been bitten by proprietary data and now are actively seeking to free themselves of it.

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    8. Re:Well... by WilliamSChips · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the 'no military' clause was a takeoff of Asimov's First Law and said that a modification of the software was not allowed to be used to harm a human being. It's still a stupid clause though.

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    9. Re:Well... by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "After all there are between 10,000 and 40,000 dead Iraqi civilians who can no longer exercise their rights to use free software."
      Funny but when people talk about things like kiddie porn or terrorists as reasons that they don't like freenet or unlimited use of strong encryption people scream freedom, freedom.
      This limit wasn't just on the military of the US. It is on all military use. That would include France, Germany, Italy, Canada, Japan, and Australia.

      "Does the fact that your software may be used by the military in a rescue operation offset the dead civilians in some way?
      Depends somewhat on your view of morality."

      Does the fact that Apache can be used for Slashdot offset that it can be used for sites like "Godhatesfags.com", pro nazi sites, and kiddie porn sites?
      Does the fact that IRC can be used for people around the world to communicate offset it's use for things like #babysex?

      Yes I say that to anyone with a brain this restriction is both stupid and harmful.
      You can argue any dumb thing you want. I have seen people argue that Hitler didn't kill any Jews during WWII, that the US faked the moon landings, and that evolution is false.
      So I stand by my statement. The no military use restriction is dumb, harmful, and counter productive. It is also totally counter to the very ideals of FOSS.

      If you wanted a restriction that at least made a tiny bit of sense then how about this one.
      This software can not be used it the manufacture, development, testing, or delivery of nuclear, biological, and or chemical weapons.

      Oh and just so I can give you a bigger clue. The this software can not be used by the military leaves open all civilian use. The companies that make the weapons are not part of the military. They are totally free to use that software for any research project they want as long they are a civilian company. So a civilian research program that is making a nuclear device is totally free to use that restricted software.

      As I said stupid harmful, and will be totally ignored by the states most likely to use it.
      Sounds like something a bunch of idiot 16 year old kids would think up.

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  3. The DoD culture is very anti-OSS by bingbong · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I worked as a defense contractor for the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD) at the Pentagon for a few years. I put together a proposal for a global kiosk system of 2000+ systems that would have had hardened linux distro (which one isn't the point) as the underlying OS for the kiosk. This system would have booted into the application (a Java app) and the users would never see the OS. It was particulary tricky as the kiosks were to be deployed at DoD facilities world-wide (OCONUS in govvie-speak), and needed to be managed from a few key sites in the US (CONUS).

    The Gov't agreed that the solution was more secure, easier to manage and would save a few million $USD (in additional management, security and helpdesk costs) but they instead chose to go with Windows Server 2003 because of "look and feel." Remember, the users never saw the underlying OS!

    To me this said that they weren't really open to any other options, their minds were already made up and that OSS is still largely untrusted by the neck-tie community. I still have the minutes from the meeting as a souvenir.

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    1. Re:The DoD culture is very anti-OSS by TrappedByMyself · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It wasn't the whole of the Government or the DoD, but your particular customer who made the decision. There is no government mandate to use only Windows Server 2003 as opposed to Linux. I've been involved in multiple DoD project which used mostly open source software and have had no complaints.

      This is just a case of failing to sell a solution to a customer. Familiarity is a huge issue for non-techies that software developers sometimes overlook. Your customer didn't give a squat about OSS, they were just worried about having an unfamiliar or difficult to use system.

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  4. The Problem Here... by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The DoD study made one critical error. They failed to take special interests* into account. Clearly this needs amending.**

    * Proprietary Software Industry leaders and House, Senate and Predidential campaign donors.

    ** According to same special interests.

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  5. Re:Somehow appropriate this time by denoir · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I, for one, welcome our new military-industrial overlords.

    What do you mean by "new"?

  6. Too bad the Army doesn't trust "freeware" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    seriously, I work for a DoD contractor, and the new regulations that are being put in place and that we have to follow states that the Army doesn't like freeware because "it is unsupported"(ie some General has lots of Microsoft stock, what am I being too cynical) So we have to put Red Hat Enterprise on all of our fully functioning Linux boxes(for my little group its about 35 servers or so) at about $600 a pop just because of this stupid regulation.....

    If this job didn't pay well at an awesome location then I would quit tomorrow, but it turns out I am just a cheap whore...

    1. Re:Too bad the Army doesn't trust "freeware" by BecomingLumberg · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't be so hard on yourself. You said the job pays well... that makes you and expensive whore.

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  7. The biggest problem by El+Cubano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The biggest problem with free and open source software in the DOD (and government in general) is the prevailing culture of "if it's free (gratis) is must be worthless." Imagine that a request is made for a system to allow collaboration for something. Two proposals come in. One is for a system using SharePoint/MSSQL/Oracle/tons of similar high priced software. The other is for Trac/Postgres/tons of free software. As a result of spending so little on licenses, the second comes in at half the price of the first. The second will be rejected almost out of hand and looked upon with suspicion, as free stuf can't possibly do the job as well as expensive stuff.

    1. Re:The biggest problem by rwyoder · · Score: 2, Insightful
      What I have learned from working in IT for 15 years:
      • In the PHYSICAL world, you get what you pay for, i.e. he MORE you pay, the better quality you get.
      • In the SOFTWARE world, this is reversed, i.e. the LESS you pay, the better quality you get.

      Unfortunately, too many clueless old managers just can't grasp this.

      The worst applications I've ever had to deal with were commercial garbage on which clueless management blew hundreds of thousands of dollars all based on attending dog & pony shows put on by sales reps, (and to which IT staff were not invited).

  8. Retraction by krell · · Score: 2, Funny

    Look for this to be retracted by tomorrow when someone at the DoD says "Sorry, we thought that 'OSS' referred to the agency that was the predecessor to the CIA".

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  9. This is rather elegant, actually by republican+gourd · · Score: 4, Funny

    TFA boils down to a single premise:

    1) Any individual struck by munitions powered by OSS is entitled to whatever rights are licensed to users of said software. For instance, if the missile was GPLed, any victims would be entitled to be cremated with a full copy of the source code and any encryption keys necessary to run said code on any homebrew missiles.

  10. government speaks, anybody listening? by yagu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The government has "spoken" before about technology. Does it really make any difference?

    Seems a long time ago the government wanted to require one standard practice of application development by stipulating Ada as the language-du-ans for coding. How many applications can you name that the government owns and are written in Ada? (rhetorical).

    The government also set forth to require all computers and operating systems to be POSIX compliant in the mid to late 80's. The big hint was the government wanted to standardize and take advantage of the similarity and portability of Unix-like systems (SunOS, Solaris, ATT Unix, AIM, etc.).

    Microsoft neatly sidestepped that issue in the early 90's by rolling out NT, basically a rebuilt true-preemptive OS for Windows and included a pared-down essentially brain-dead POSIX subsystem to assuage the government fiat. Microsoft had no intention of supporting it (I know, I directly asked Larry Kroger when I worked there -- his exact response was, "Tell them we don't support it"), and thumbed their nose at the notion of standard and interoperable computing -- it was counter to their business mission of monopolizing the industry.

    It's great to think the government wants more emphasis on Open Source (as well as that can be defined), but if history serves, this is another tiny blip on the radar screen. Open Source can't compete in marketing with deep-pocketed vendors and chummy outings on the golf course.

    But, we can hope. Come to think of it, maybe there's an "aha" here... could the foot-in-the-door for OSS be more effective marketing? Where could that investment originate? Or, what about pledging support via some write-in campaign to Senators and Representatives?

  11. Not true by MikeRT · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It depends on the area that you work in. There are parts of it which, and parts that are not. It's a Department, not an agency! You are talking about the largest part of the federal government, one that spans well over a million employees, in fact probably several million employees between all of the agencies and military branches. You can just chalk your experience up, perhaps, to having a less informed client. Many others are very eager to get technical solutions that just work and care more about that than the "look and feel."

  12. Not the DoD's biggest problem... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2, Insightful
    the DoD is 'limiting and restricting the ability of the market to compete for the provision of new and innovative solutions and capabilities' by 'treating DoD-developed software code as a physical good.'
    Not that the DoD is the only government entity with a graft problem, but every federal provisioning contract I've ever seen had more to do with timely payments to connected players (or their campaigns/funds) than technology, terms of the license, or actual amount of money wasted or saved.
  13. Above the Law? by B5_geek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As we have see recently, and if history is a teacher we can count on the US Government to consider itself above the law. Do we really think that the Military will give a rats ass what us hippies think? GPL clause or not; they will use whatever the hell they want to.

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  14. GPL at risk due "no military" clauses by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What if other projects adopt "no military" clauses like we've seen lately?

    Then the government responds by mandating that all open source projects receiving government funding (not necessarily military related), or to be used in government projects, use a completely open license (as in no strings) like BSD, MIT, etc. This would dry up a lot of the money subsidizing GPL based projects.

    Although I do not like this, I have a hard time saying it is wrong. I also recall (in the 90s, maybe they still do it) a NASA publication with pages of "ads" listing software projects that were freely available to anyone (individual or business) since they were NASA funded to some degree. I can't help but think this was how the government should work.

  15. Costs of vendor lock in beginning to sink in! by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Back in late 80s and early 90s, all the businesses were demanding Compatibility with IBM-PC. Remember the old joke about Cray supercomputer with the punch line "Is it IBM-PC compatible?". The older generation of IT managers knew compatibility and interoperability was important. But they did not fully understand the concept of vendor lock in. They confused IBM-PC compatibility with interoperability. Accepting a closed proprietary standard owned by a profit making corporation was a very bad idea. But those guys did not know it then.

    Now slowly the next generation of IT managers with more experience are coming up. Now a days software costs lot more than hardware. Hardware prices have been dropping like a stone for decades and the software costs have stopped dropping after Microsoft consolidated its market lead and vendor lock in. In 1994 I paid 2700$ for a 90 MHz Pentium with 570 KB disk and 2X CD-ROM. MS Word was already above a 100$ then. In 1990 MS-Word was selling for 50$.

    I keep returning to my favourite examples of light bulbs and car tires. Would anyone buy a car that can accept only Goodyear tires or build a home that can only accept GE bulbs? Car tire standards are set by SAE not GM or Toyota. It is just a matter of time before we have full interoperability to standards defined by a body like IEEE. Heck, if the Fortune 500 companies chip in a million bucks each to set up an "Institute for Sofware Ineroperability Standards" to work with IEEE and ACM to make experts define interoperability they will recoup the investments in no time.

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  16. Re:Somehow appropriate this time by mrsev · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...yes yes yes, But I dont see how them only now adopting the Open Sound System will help. Most people now use ALSA for their sound needs. This is yet again the government wasting taxpayers money on outdated technology.

  17. Re:How enforceable are "no military" clauses, anyw by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Clearly, militaries in law-abiding countries would abide by the terms of the licence, at least as much as any private company would. The army or navy are not above the law and you can sue them just like anyone else for copyright violation. But as you say you couldn't expect Hezbollah or North Korea to have any such qualms. In principle, if you write software that might have military uses, trying to exclude that in the licence is supporting one side against the other.

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  18. OSS is NOT cheaper! by sciop101 · · Score: 2
    DOD Software requirements and testing will always keep software expenses high.

    DOD requirements, standards, and testing before acceptance, suck up time and money. Porting (Major Requirement) a C program was almost a show-stopper on a personnel records program in the late eighties (Same OS (UNIX) on different hardware).

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  19. Re:Scary by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2, Informative

    Want to back that up? Or are you just a FUD-monger? Last I checked the DoD ran a pretty tight ship and actually bothered investigating their hardware and software purchases more thoroughly than most Fortune-500 types do.

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  20. Emergent behavior... by cr0sh · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Lots of people in the U.S. government are quite insightful and intelligent. It's just that the insane ones get all the press.


    I agree with your statement that there are lots of insightful and intelligent people (on both sides of the aisle, so to speak) in the U.S. government. I also agree that the "insane" ones get a lot of press time. However, I don't think that is the whole picture.


    Regardless of the large-scale bureaucracy, whether it is a government or a corporation, it seems that at a certain size-point there comes a time that the bureaucracy as a whole begins to exhibit various forms of emergent behavior that can't be explained by examining the individual parts. No more than one can recognize the concepts of sentience and reason the human mind brings forth, by examining a single neuron, we should not be surprised that a bureaucracy works in the same manner, and that we can't surmise how it will act by singling out individual employee contributions to the organization.


    Inevitably, in most large bureaucracies this emergent behavior tends toward baser outputs, what we humans perceive as harmful, beligerent, corrupted, insane, and in some cases, "evil" behavior. The greater the size of the bureaucracy, the more likely this is to be the case. Interestingly, we seem to see this behavior mainly in bureaucracies where the accumulation of wealth is a goal of the organization. In instances where that goal is not the prime motivator for the organization (say, for instance, a non-profit), these emergent behaviors tend not to manifest themselves (I will admit this is baseless conjecture on my part - I have not seen any study regarding this idea - but anecdotal evidence seems to bear this out).


    For governments, it would seem that to prevent this from occurring, the proper thing to do would be to limit the government's ability to accumulate wealth (whether through taxes or warfare). Ideally, it should be able to function optimally without such accumulation, however, for most of the developed world, the economic engine driving the society is capitalism, which is at odds with this idea. Furthermore, large corporate bureaucracies have their hands in the development and guidance of the government - something that was warned against after WW2 as the rise of the "military-industrial complex".


    I tend to wonder if these emergent behaviors we see aren't actually intelligent (if not necessarily rational), and that this manipulation isn't actually purposeful, perhaps to ultimately eliminate or marginalize humans? If so, is there anything we can do to detect it, or even stop it? Can a neuron ever know about the mind? Furthermore, if such a neuron did, what would the mind do if it found out?

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  21. Why they will always prefer Closed Source by Psyborgue · · Score: 2

    I used to work for a defense dept contractor and while I was there I realised that the goal was to sell the "customer" (ie. the DOD / pentagon) a product at the highest markup possable.) Why does the DOD pay, for example, 1600 dollars for a 256MB compact flash card (two years ago, when a comporable product was $29 at a local Circuit City)?

    Because:

    A: The DOD largely has no idea what they are purchasing, yet have unlimited funds. The brass just want shiny new (functionality optional) things that go beep and have lots of blinking lights. So why do they purchase these things that they do not necessarily want or need:

    B: Because when the brass at the pentagon retire, they go into the private sector and sell this equipment to all their old buddies who are more than willing to get ripped off knowing that they will get their turn when they retire. Some of the stuff just rots in warehouses for years as surplus, after which many techs "inherit" old equipment the customer no longer "needs" and has never used. We are not talking dinkie little pieces of equipment. Some examples: Cisco 6509e's in racks, fully loaded with gigabit, fiber, and ws-sup720 management blades.

    This brings me to Microsoft: people in the DOD who i have dealt with generally do not trust free things, they equate price with quality. The general theory seems to be that if enough money is thrown at a problem, it will be solved eventually. The idea of open source irks their paranoid, secretive sensibility and they are not the most flexible of people. Microsoft also gives contractors lots of support opportunities, for example, the small contractor i worked for market their "secured" version of windows running on their servers, the differences were very very superficial but the "custom software work" allowed them to charge significantly more, at the same time giving the "customer" a sense of exclusivity. Keep in mind the customer was ultimately billed for the OEM copy of windows as well since the PCs were bought and sold several times under different customer names. I cannot emphazize the incompetance present in the creation of the "products" for the "customer", yet quality is not an issue here, selling points and price are. With the amount of windows licences sold with the hundreds of computers "upgraded"

    What i am trying to point out is that there is a circular system of government - contractor back rubbing where money is dumped by the millions into frivilous, useless shit, while the troops in iraq go without body armor. Meanwhilst, the top brass whine to congress that they need more money. Where is the oversight? Congressmen don't want to piss off their constituents since large contractors are smart enough to build defense industry plants in their key districts. If the congressmen pulled the funding to the DOD, thier supporters would lose jobs, and re-election would be greatly complicated. Defense is a very large industry.