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Can Faraday Cages Tame Wi-Fi?

mrraven writes "An article at TechWorld discusses the increased need for wireless network security. One possible solution to this problem is the use of building-wide Faraday cages to block the wireless signal from 'leaking'." From the article: "Small installations of RF shielding don't have to be expensive, and the basic concept of a Faraday cage can be extended to all kinds of small everyday objects. Leather wallets sandwiched with a conductive RF-shielding layer can prevent RFID scanners from reading personal information implanted in everything from RFID-enabled access control cards to some credit cards; they're widely available for as little as US$15. For those favoring a more DIY route, several Web sites have information on how to make an RFID-blocking wallet with duct tape and aluminum foil."

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  1. The truth may be out there... by Cygfrydd · · Score: 5, Funny

    So this is essentially a giant tinfoil hat for your office? Will it stop the voices as well?

    1. Re:The truth may be out there... by tocs · · Score: 3, Funny

      No,
      I think the idea is to keep the voices from leaking out.

    2. Re:The truth may be out there... by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Informative

      Will it stop the voices as well?

      No, but it will keep the voices from using your neighbor's access point.

    3. Re:The truth may be out there... by shmlco · · Score: 3, Funny

      I want the tinfoil wallet.

      BTW, I can just image the "scare-the-consumer" infomercials for those. "Anyone just walking by can steal your entire life! Stop them now with our high-tech disposable Super-TF-Wallet! Just 3 easy payments of $19.95 and you...."

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    4. Re:The truth may be out there... by arivanov · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It does not need to be a tin hat.

      Our office has IR tempered glass (which is quite common in "all-glass" buildings nowdays.

      Stops WiFi dead in its tracks. The signal drops by 20+db when going outside the building to the point where you can no longer home in with a normal receiver. Granted, this will not help against a professional attacker, but it is more then enough against random wardriving k1dd10tz.

      So if you have to chose between two buildings which are all-glass and glass windows + wall for a new office the all-glass is better as far as WiFi is concerned. Wardrivers aside, allocating channels without worrying about neighbours is quite a nice thing to have.

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  2. What about windows? by jdhutchins · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While adding a thin mesh around the building might not be hard to do at construction time, it seems the author has ignored windows. Most larger commercial buildings have large windows, which would need to be covered in a mesh in order to make the whole building a farady cage. This would obviously seriously impact the building's appearance, and I doubt would ever become practical. It's not that difficult to set up a WPA2 or VPN setup if you're concerned about keeping wifi secure.

    1. Re:What about windows? by zlogic · · Score: 5, Funny

      I totally agree with you. Until Windows is replaced with something more secure, the network can be easily accessible from outside.
      Oh wait...

    2. Re:What about windows? by Brett+Buck · · Score: 4, Informative

      Window shielding is a well-established technology. Note http://www.lessemf.com/plastic.html. This has been done for decades for secure facilities. There's nothing new about RF shielded/Faraday cage buildings.

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    3. Re:What about windows? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ... which would need to be covered in a mesh in order to make the whole building a farady cage.

      Not necessarily. I would imagine that some kind of transparent conductive coating could be sprayed onto the glass, and reapplied periodically. For example, my car's windshield has a conductive layer that is used as the radio antenna (it also inconveniently blocks my tollway transponder, something I did not foresee when I ordered the thing.) I'm sure that there would be plenty of window manufacturers that would be happy to sandwich a clear conductive layer in their products were there a demand for this.

      Yeah, you're right it's not that hard to provide a decently secure wireless setup ... but a whole heck of a lot of businesses don't seem to have a clue how to do it. And even if they have an efficient IT department, there's always the idiot that jacks a WRT54G into his office Ethernet port and sticks it under his desk. A giant Faraday cage would provide at least some protection against external snooping and user stupidity. There was an article posted here on Slashdot a while ago about a couple of guys that built a shotgun antenna and went couch-fishing for bluetooth signals in office buildings. They picked up a whole lot of things that they shouldn't have been able to.

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    4. Re:What about windows? by IdahoEv · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Moreover, if it was done correctly it would completely prevent cell phones and blackberries from working. I doubt that would fly in today's business environment.

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    5. Re:What about windows? by DeadChobi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not to point out the obvious or anything, but it's also possible to set up an antenna on the inside which will repeat a signal to an antenna on the outside of a building. They do this in sports stadiums and various other places because of the lack of reception. The antenna doesn't repeat all frequencies, meaning that you can set it to repeat your crackberry's signal but not your ultra-secure Wifi signal.

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    6. Re:What about windows? by JesseL · · Score: 2, Informative

      A faraday cage does not need to be conected to an earth ground. In fact a lot of electronic equipment uses the cage/shield its self as a "ground".

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  3. UK defense system by legoburner · · Score: 5, Interesting

    BAE in the UK have made a wallpaper to do just this. No word on if it is available to consumers though I bet there is a market in the paranoid EM fearing folk that live near 'evil' cell phone masts.

    1. Re:UK defense system by macemoneta · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My parents established an RF shield on our home back in the 1960s. Of course, back then it was called foil and flock wallpaper and it was quite hideous. It still was an effective RF shield. It also made a dandy electrical conductor as I found out, when a foil edge made contact to the hot in an outlet. Something to keep in mind as you RF shield your buildings.

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  4. Faraday Cages will work by jmauro · · Score: 5, Informative

    Only if you don't want cell phone coverage or look out side. I work in a building that is EM sheilded using a Faraday cage. It was designed to test new radios so you didn't want outside signals coming in to mess up the test. Needless to say a all-metal no windowless office sucks. You have to go out side to make a cell call and when the AC breaks you're screwed because the place turns into an oven with no windows to open. It's a nice idea, but I doubt most wouldn't like to work in such a place 24-7. I sure don't.

    1. Re:Faraday Cages will work by Cthefuture · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A Faraday cage does not require a solid sheet of metal. It can be a wire mesh.

      There is stopping you from having windows. All you need is a metal screen either on the inside or outside. This also allows you to open the windows for some air. There is also EM blocking glass that has a very thin mesh overlaid or embedded which is basically invisible (similar to some touch screens).

      The only times I have been in EM protected areas with no windows is when there was confidential work being done and they didn't want anything visible from the outside.

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    2. Re:Faraday Cages will work by mad_minstrel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most wouldn't want to work 24/7 anywhere at all.

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    3. Re:Faraday Cages will work by JesseL · · Score: 5, Informative

      A wire screen tends to block EM with a wavlength greater than about twice the size of the holes in the mesh. Since the visible spectrum is in the few hundred nanometer range, and most RF communication happens at wavelengths over 5 centimeters, a screen is a very viable option.

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    4. Re:Faraday Cages will work by Mr+Z · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's all about the wavelengths. If you want to block ALL EM, then yeah, you need a solid metal enclosure. But, just like you can see into your microwave oven through a wire mesh, you could also put windows on your faraday cage as long as they were covered by an appropriate wire mesh.

      IIRC, the 2.5GHz of a microwave oven beam and the 2.4GHz of WiFi are both around 12 cm wavelength. The holes in the mesh on your microwave are so small that the microwaves can't make it through it without severe attenuation.

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    5. Re:Faraday Cages will work by budgenator · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The missile I worked on had thin gold wires embeded into the parabolic reflector at 1/4 wavelength intervals so that it would only reflect the frequency we used, as an anti-jamming measure. They could block a WIFI frequency and very little else, I suspect a 2.4GHz cordless phone wouldn't penetrate, but a cell phone in the 900MHz range might not be affected at all.

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  5. Leaky by QuantumFTL · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm sure this will help minimize effects of leakage, but no building can have a "perfect" faraday cage on standard wifi frequencies - the wavelengths are far smaller than the openings required for humans to enter and exit the building.

    Once again, it's probably better to focus on good encryption, though this is hardly much help to defeat certain on-site DOS attacks. Then again, that's what your security force is for :)

    1. Re:Leaky by ip_vjl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Visible light is just another part of the electromagnetic spectrum, but you can easily create a human doorway to another room that keeps light out, even when in use.

      The two types I've seen in photo darkrooms are:
      1) The light baffle. The entry doorway is just an 'S-shaped' hallway that requires you to turn a couple of times to pass through. There doesn't need to be any door to open/close, but as long as it isn't lined with a material reflective to what you are trying to keep out, you're ok. Look under your sink at the drain catch for the idea. The nice thing about this style door (for darkrooms, etc) is that you never need to worry about having to mess with any door mechanism in the dark. It's completely open to wander in and out (for people, air circulation, etc.)

      2) The revolving door. There is never an open conduit from the outside to the inside at any time. The opening closes off from the external environment completely before reaching the point where it opens to the internal environment.

  6. Cell Phones by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After succeeding in preventing the wi-fi signal from "leaking", you are surprised your cellphone stopped working.

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  7. Oh, come on by happyemoticon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The best wireless security solution is just to not use wireless. Yes, it's sexy. Yes, I know it can be a pain when there's a split in an ethernet cable that's in the rafters. Yes, I like to be able to use this laptop on the couch because it helps my creative energies get flowing. But seriously, if I were at all concerned about security, I'd just stick at CAT5E into the side and be done with it. Big wireless deployments are things for college students and people who like cafes. If I were running a business, I wouldn't throw money at a wireless project to begin with, let alone build an elaborate jamming/shielding system to correct problems which could've been avoided by not doing anything in the first place.

  8. Thank god we got rid of wires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So we can replace the wires from each user to a building-wide mesh of wires.

  9. Sheet rock by diablovision · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The cheapest way to do this would probably be to embed a mesh into the sheet rock. The manufacturer of the sheet rock could do this in their factory; you'd just select the "faraday sheet rock" model when remodelling. No extra labor costs, which, after all, is the biggest part of construction.

    Still probably going to be rather expensive, it being a whole "chicken and egg" type of situation.

    It's probably cheaper on the whole to use good wireless security and regularly test for employees opening unsecured wireless networks using some workstations with wifi cards running shell scripts looking for unsecured networks....

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  10. Faraday Cage by azrider · · Score: 3, Funny

    A long time ago, I was a contractor for an establishment whose headquarters was over 4 city blocks and >10 stories above. The building was constructed entirely as a Faraday Cage (nothing inside got outside, checked on a regular basis). When the building was first constructed, the contractor adhered the wire mesh (windows were already shielded) with standard galvanized nails (inside receptor/conductor through shielding/outside transmitter). Go figure...

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  11. Have you ever actually used a Faraday cage? by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    Real Faraday cages are an unmitigated pain to deal with. The ones used for RF testing typically have a heavy door, like a walk-in refrigerator, with conductive fingers all around the doorframe that seal against the door. It's not enough to have metal; all the metal has to be connected. And slots will pass a wavelength up to the length of the slot.

    The ones used for high-security classified work are even worse. They're made of welded metal panels. They're a few feet off the ground, so the underside can be checked. Any I/O is fibre optic. Power goes in through huge low-pass filters. Air goes through metal mesh filters. Double doors work like an airlock, and there's a compressed-air system to force the RF-tight door seals. Periodic testing (transmitter inside, receiver outside) insures the tank is really RF-tight.

    Not a fun work environment.

    Painting the walls with conductive paint is a joke.

    There's nothing mysterious about any of this. RF propagation is well understood, and the test gear is easy to obtain. Ask any ham.

  12. We have a Faraday caged room by digitalderbs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In my research lab, we have a Faraday caged room with dimensions of about 35feet x 50feet x 30feet. We house 3 NMR spectrometers there, and use the cage to shield us from stray RF from radio stations and other sources. (The lab is in NYC, and as you can imagine, there's a lot of EM noise).

    The system works quite well, but we still get quite a bit of leakage through the two doorways (they have a copper lining as well). We can still pickup cell phone calls within 3-4 feet of the doorway (when closed), but not much more than that. However, the room is quite dead for WiFi transmission.

  13. shielded windows and wallets by gsn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There shouldn't be a problem if you had unshielded windows as long as long as we are not talking about a building with all glass on one side. The Faraday cage wil shield pretty effectively even if there are some gaps. This is why you can get away with using a mesh rather than putting everything inside solid metal boxes. If you've even seen the lightning demos with people in cages being completely unaffected while a big Van de Graff shoots sparks around the place (MOS in Boston has this - its fun).

    This seems like its overkill - be more sensible to have some encryption and maybe a system where you have to login to get access to the web is more practical. This way you get to keep what few bars you have on the cell.

    With respect to the RFID in passports or on cards, yeah you might want a Faraday cage in your wallet but I wonder how long it is before that becomes classified as suspicious behaviour. I can just see those TSA officials getting red in the face that you'd dare question their authority by using a shielded wallet and having you detained for an hour - just enough to miss your flight.

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  14. Why does it have to be a physical? by DoubleRing · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are so many ways of securing a wireless network without the messy business of placing a mesh wire around the building. The university in the town I live in has a campus wide wireless network. They then use a vpn system (cisco, I believe) to regulate access. Simply, anyone can connect to the wireless network, but you are given no access unless you connect to the university's vpn. Then from there, depending on that account's permissions, you can access the Internet and the university network permissions. I think this system is probably the best ideas because very little additional hardware is required, each account has a separate username/password combination (if the password is compromised, you only are dealing with a single user), and has the added bonus of being able to access the university resources from home. Plus, it works flawlessly with Linux.

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  15. Re:Solves the wrong problem by Bishop · · Score: 2, Informative

    A complete faraday cage will contain RF EM waves for the same reason that it will keep EM out.

  16. I must already have this! by B5_geek · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is incredible, all this time I thought I just had bad luck. I can't get 1 bar of signal strength on my cell phone, unless I prop the phone against my window and point it at the cell phone tower that I can see ~500' away.

    And WiFi? No way! I have 3 access points (One in attic, one in basement, one on the same floor as the PC using it (10' away on the other side of a wall) and do you think I can get a reliable signal? Hell no, but if I am in my car I can pick it up 2 blocks away.

    My wifes old 900MHz phone works fine, my new 5.8GHz phone? it'll only work if I stay in the same room as the base-station and the people can only hear me when I yell.

    If I try using 802.11a, I get good results (despite my wifes phone and 2 microwave ovens in the house), my CRAP (Completly Ridiculous Assinine Pet) theory is that the lower frequency passes through the super-human drywall that my house is made of. But to compete with that theory I can't understand why a Nerf-ball is able to dent the wall.

    Time to move I guess.

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  17. Can you hear me now? by Spazmania · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Can you hear me now?" No, in fact it will stop your cell phone reception too.

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  18. Re:I doubt it... basic physics by jpardey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It isn't that hard to stop that kind of thing, actually. Best kind of wire for it: standard ethernet cables. Buy a few switches off of ebay just as everyone else tries going wireless.

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  19. Inadvertent Faraday Cages by Randseed · · Score: 3, Interesting
    A certain major medical center in the United States which was built in the late 1960s acts as a Faraday cage "by accident," much to the supreme annoyance of everyone involved. Basically, for whatever reason, when they built the building, they used some chicken-wire-like material that's at just the right dimensions to block 2.4GHz wireless transmissions. They didn't do it consistently, either, because they never thought of this. As a result, there are places where cell phones are Faraday-caged-out, places where WiFi works through an internal wall next to places where it doesn't, and so on. It's such a huge pain in the ass that they've had to put about three times the wireless access points that they otherwise would need to, and they still have dead places.

    So yes, it does work.

    1. Re:Inadvertent Faraday Cages by Shadyman · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's similar to the metal rebar in office buildings that hinders (absorbs or reflects) cell phone signals.

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  20. why is everybody so concerned about wireless secur by schweini · · Score: 2, Interesting

    did i miss something, or wasn't WPA or WPA2 'secure enough'? i know it's relatively easy to hack wep, but AFAIK, WPA with a good password hasn't been hacked yet? so why do stories about how to block wifi signals at significant cost always pop up now and then?

  21. 20 db drop is not always enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It depends on how close the road is. 30db gain is allowed legally.

    Go past legal and at lot more than 30db can be done.

    20 db drop is only good if you network stays under 20db itself. If you fit a 30db arial inside a 20 db shield you shoot self in foot. A farday setup cannot be broken by just fitting a larger arial. But it can block mobile phones. Both ways have a price.

  22. OMG by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Funny

    So now the attacker has to come into your foyer and sit around instead of being able to do it from the coffeeshop across the street!

  23. Not just WiFi by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Police where I live complain that their 800 MHz radios cut out in modern office buildings. Firefighters are in the same band. Think twice before you RF-proof your building.