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AOL Music Now Relaunches Music Service

Planetrudy writes "Reuters reports that AOL has launched a new version of its Music Now subscription service. It's web-based, slick, performs well (fast page loads and downloads), and contains over 2.5M songs and 'thousands of videos.' This launch seems to be in line with AOL's 'tearing down the wall around the garden' strategy."

73 comments

  1. Strategy? by slapyslapslap · · Score: 2, Funny

    This launch seems to be in line with AOL's 'tearing down the wall around the garden' strategy

    Sounds more like their "copy a business model in desperation and be second rate" strategy.

    1. Re:Strategy? by alcmaeon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let' see, AOL invented the $14.95/month from everyone forever strategy and it got them where they are today--the verge of bankruptcy. It sounds really good, but I'm thinking something is left out of the formula. Maybe they should add value for the expense. Or maybe "consumers" don't really like being a perpetual money drip for corps.

      Note to Microsoft: No one in his right mind will "rent" Windows Vista, but AOL would like company in its misery.

    2. Re:Strategy? by \\ · · Score: 1

      Let' see, AOL invented the $14.95/month from everyone forever strategy and it got them where they are today--the verge of bankruptcy.

      AOL didn't "invent" that, their hourly-usage-for-hundreds-of-dollars-per-bill plan reigned supreme until pure dial-up services started going for 20 bucks a month. AOL had no choice but to cave to a standard price point.

    3. Re:Strategy? by dungarious · · Score: 1

      fyi.. AOL is nowhere near the verge of bankruptcy even though they are losing subscribers like mad. Time will tell if they can turn around their brand image and compete with yahoo etc.

  2. AOL's next major release of information? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whats next for AOL releasing all our credit card information to the government on music purchased?

  3. Click by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
  4. Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am boycotting AOL and will instead continue to download music from AllOfMP3.com. The artists don't get any money from my investment, but I would be happy to donate some money if only they'd set up a PayPal donation box on their site or something.

    1. Re:Russia by jb.hl.com · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or you could "donate" some money by buying a CD or using iTunes/MSN Music/Napster. Then you can boycott AOL, get music, AND give the artists (and everyone else involved with making a record) money! Everyone wins!

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    2. Re:Russia by Meagermanx · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I prefer finding a torrent for an album or a discography, or downloading tracks off of Soulseek or Limewire.
      Not only is it a lot cheaper, but I can do whatever I want with the tracks, including burning them to CD or uploading them to my MP3 player, and I don't have to sign up for anything.

    3. Re:Russia by gsslay · · Score: 1

      You're missing the parent poster's main motivation. It's the "don't pay a fair price for your music and invent a reason to justify it" motivation. They aren't interested in everyone winning.

    4. Re:Russia by amichalo · · Score: 1

      I have never been to mySpace (or AOL) and I am neither an old fart, nor do I live with my mother.

      In closing, my tag line and kick your tag line's ass.

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    5. Re:Russia by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

      Ah, the old "el cheapo" motivation. Love it. It's so easy to run rings around.

      As an aside, ever noticed how nobody really wanted to abolish copyright until they realised they could get things they'd usually have to pay for for free, but it infringed on copyright?

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  5. Tear down the wall, but give the user a tether. by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful
    > AOL said digital media on the service can play directly from a Web browser without the need to download a standalone software application, as with Apple Computer Inc.'s popular iTunes service. It is also compatible with Microsoft Corp.'s PlayforSure compatible portable devices.

    Translation: If you're using Windows, you have an MS DRM-compliant player (Windows Media Player) installed. You therefore don't need iTunes. It gives you DRM-cripped windows media files, and it requires that you run IE, with ActiveX and Javascript turned on.

    Tearing down the wall around the garden? Hardly. Just changing the name spraypainted on the Gates.

    1. Re:Tear down the wall, but give the user a tether. by jb.hl.com · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Be fair though, this is an AOL service. It's hardly targeted at Firefox/Linux/Winamp/whatever users, it's targeted squarely at people who don't want to, for whatever reason, use something other than Windows Media Player. For those people this service will do admirably.

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    2. Re:Tear down the wall, but give the user a tether. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      For those people this service will do admirably.

      1072665 How to kill your wife in C# minor
      1072665 Goatsex sonnets in B flat
      1072665 exploding babies goa trance remix
      1072665 exploding babies goa trance remix with real exploding babies
      1072665 U2
      1072665 Songs about receiving anal sex while dressed as a chipmonk
    3. Re:Tear down the wall, but give the user a tether. by jb.hl.com · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Fair point. I do however have some faith in people learning from their mistakes, and I goddamn well hope AOL has done so.

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    4. Re:Tear down the wall, but give the user a tether. by Parafilmus · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "this is an AOL service. It's hardly targeted at Firefox/Linux/Winamp/whatever users"

      Actually, AOL owns Winamp, and AOL owns the primary developer of Firefox.
      For that reason, I'd be surprised if this new service doesn't work with them.
    5. Re:Tear down the wall, but give the user a tether. by mp3phish · · Score: 1

      Your initial responce is what I had, but then I did some digging...

      According to winamp.com:

      AOL Music Now ... is now integrated with Winamp. Offering both subscription and a la carte options, AOL Music Now provides access to over 2,000,000 songs from thousands of artists in every genre available.

      Winamp has a really hardcore following. Pretty much the "iTunes" of the PC, but with dwindling marketshare. Even many iPod users use winamp for their music catalog over iTunes when you are not a iTunes music store shopper. So you have about 25% of the current MP3 player market compatible with this. You have an even larger percent of the installed base of mp3 players being compatible with this (At one point Apple had close to 90% marketshare, but that was for a very short time and previous to that they had 50% and less leading up to the iPod Mini launch). You have a large population of winamp users out there who have been using winamp since way before AOL bought them. You have a cool program with a built in store and widely compatible with a large enough percentage of the portable music installed base and market.

      Obviously, the Real player isn't going to overtake iTunes the program. Obviously windows media player is holding the cards in the non apple market right now. And obviously, winamp is currently the only real player with any sort of chance to slip its foot into the door. Windows media player is irrelevant. It is like the IE of music players. Nobody cares for it. Nobody likes it. It is just there and comes with windows. iTunes is only popular because of iPod and iTMS. without the exclusive pairing of those 2 things, iTunes the player is a worthless pile of scrap brush metal.

      I have always said it and I will say it again. Pair an iTMS like music service with winamp. Make it compatible with the players out there. Out pops a winner. I don't expect this to happen overnight without support of apple's music format (and therefore, iPod DRM support), but it can do it with or without. Mark my words... This is the begining of the end for apple's reign of terror on the digital music market.

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  6. Competition by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

    Always nice to have a bit more competition...whether the market is already saturated is another matter. Still, bravo to AOL for this.

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  7. ooops, NOT 10 Million SONGS by yagu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Went to AOL's home page to check this out, and there on page one was the ad for 10 Million Singles! Thought, "Wow, four times more than the article stated!", then discovered it was a dating site advertisement, sigh.

    Aha, there is another link that goes to AOL's music service... Alas, it's one of those:

    1. 30 day free trial
    2. enter your billing information first
    kind of "offers", not my cup of tea.

    For those who care, the "Service Agreement" which you really should read before signing up is more than 5000 words long. Good luck reading and understanding what's new and different about AOL for this offering.

    Of course the very first provision of their service agreement is: " We may modify these Terms of Service at any time.... "

    YMMV

    1. Re:ooops, NOT 10 Million SONGS by jb.hl.com · · Score: 3, Informative

      Most free trials of subscription services are like that. They tend to work on the basis that if you don't like the service, you'll cancel before the trial runs out. Same with magazine subscription offers.

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    2. Re:ooops, NOT 10 Million SONGS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that this is AOL. Cancelling with them basically involves getting the account manager fired, because otherwise they ignore you, insist that more free time will make you feel better about not cancelling, and finally resort to the "let me transfer you to my sup*click*" tactic.

    3. Re:ooops, NOT 10 Million SONGS by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

      You seem to think such things are limited to AOL. You're very wrong. We recently cancelled our broadband service with NTL (one of the big cable companies in the UK) and we went through a similar experience.

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  8. AOLs track record by IflyRC · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Personally I'd be afraid to purchase anything from them. With AOLs history, I'd expect to be signing up for one of those CD clubs where you get a CD every month for life and can't cancel. I can see that with AOL. Also, it makes me fear for my personal information. Should I cancel the service, will my information be sold? Leaked? How in-depth will their sales reporting data be?

    Last month you purchased the new album from SomeStupidArtist - we thought you'd like to hear the new release from a similar group called SomeStudidTeenAct

    1. Re:AOLs track record by wwiiol_toofless · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah and if they release my music purchase history, I'm gonna be pissed.

      #45498734 purchased Yanni:Live at the acropolis
      #45498734 purchased Kenny G: emotional sax
      #45498734 purchased Rock eh?:The ultimate Canadian Rock anthology

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  9. Nothing to see here folks, move along... by DreadfulGrape · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sorry, no sale. Three reasons:

    1) It's still pay-to-play (you stop paying, songs stop playing)
    2) Won't play on 78% of the players in circulation (i.e. iPods)
    3) It's AOL, for God's sake

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    1. Re:Nothing to see here folks, move along... by OverlordQ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1) It's still pay-to-play (you stop paying, songs stop playing)

      Well yea, it's a subscription service. If you go rent a rug doctor you dont get to keep it after your rental period is up.

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    2. Re:Nothing to see here folks, move along... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1
      1) It's still pay-to-play (you stop paying, songs stop playing)

      Same with Napster and other similar services. The point is, with a reasonable broadband connection and an even moderate interest in new music, you can easily beat the price of, say, iTunes, or your neighborhood CD store.

      Stop paying, and they stop playing, but I don't think it actually deletes them, meaning you could start paying again and they'll start playing again.

      I believe the DRM is even broken now...

      Besides, how many services do you pay for, versus what you own? I don't own my own house yet, but if you do, do you own your own generator/windmill/solar, or do you buy energy from the power company? How about Internet -- do you run your own ISP? Backbone? What happens to your Internet/Power/Phone/Water if you stop paying?

      There are other reasons I don't like this and won't buy it, a major one being that MS would be a single kill switch for all of my music, and your other two points are valid. But the pricing of this is competitive enough that it's very tempting to give up your independence.

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    3. Re:Nothing to see here folks, move along... by rearden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wish people would stop listing "doesn't play on iPod" as a reason the service is no good. If the Apple Fan Boys are not happy that does it not play well with iPod - then complain to APPLE! This is not the sites fault, it is the fault of APPLE which REFUSES to license FairPlay to anyone. While this is Apple right, dont hold that against others. I dislike MS as much as most, but at least their system gives me SOME choices in different sales sites, different players, etc. Apple makes all the choices for me- iPod and iTunes - and nothing else. I for one would like say... a changeable battery!

      PS: Before you get all up in a huff saying "iPod's support MP3's" well yeah but like it or not (and I for one do not) none of the major RIAA companies will license music for non-DRM download. Get over it, that is not a valid argument as a way to have other sites support iPod and we all know it.

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    4. Re:Nothing to see here folks, move along... by misleb · · Score: 1

      It does seem like AOL is just repeating their past mistake of appealing to the ignorance of first time users. Sure, 10 years ago, people needed an extremely simple way of getting "online," even if it was very restricted and controlled. But eventually people got savvy fewer people needed AOL. Similarly, people are going to start seeing just how restricted they are by using this new AOL service. I mean, it isn't like you can't get unrestricted music from other sources.

      -matthew

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    5. Re:Nothing to see here folks, move along... by DreadfulGrape · · Score: 1

      You belabor the obvious. I may be nuts, but I just don't think people want to rent music.

      If the music marketeers really want to stick it to Apple they'd sell non DRM'd music that plays on any device (like eMusic does), but at a much higher bit rate, like 256K.

      "But gee, won't folks just swap those files? Wouldn't that kill the business?" This is the mentality the music companies have to overcome. If all the major labels did this, the business would explode, not implode.

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    6. Re:Nothing to see here folks, move along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As you kindly point out, iPods support MP3s. Since the vast majority of digital music is currently in that format, it's hardly a limiting factor. If you choose to buy DRM-laden files from Apple or anywhere else, be prepared to accept the consequences. However, expecting Apple to aid their competitors in that area is hardly realistic.

  10. An unpopular view by grapeape · · Score: 1

    I know that its fashionable to bash AOL, I participate in it myself. I have found though, that for newer users especially seniors citizens find alot of what AOL has to offer less intimidating than being let loose on the wilds of the internet. Opening up that for all and going to a branded advertising base could really turn things around for them. Most already make concessions for AIM, how long until other AOL services and features are more accepted now that there isnt a price tag attached? I suspect more than a few will their way into the accepted mainstream.

    1. Re:An unpopular view by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have found though, that for newer users especially seniors citizens find alot of what AOL has to offer less intimidating than being let loose on the wilds of the internet

      It's so much cosier to sleep in the sh*t we're in right now than try something new, isn't it.
      Here's another cruel and unpopular view: if AOL is for senior citizens, does it mean AOL will die along with them?

    2. Re:An unpopular view by grapeape · · Score: 1

      I understand your point, as I said I find aol beneath me as do most I know but for some its like training wheels they refuse to take off their bicycles. If its free I can no longer use "
      paying extra for crap you dont need" as an excuse to pry them away. Seniors was just an example of a market that finds comfort in whats familiar, there are many others. I have a neighbor for instance that has a cable modem but still cant wrap her head around the idea that she doesnt need to sign into aol first to use the damn thing, at least now it wont ding her for an extra $19 a month to do so.

  11. Fixed Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reuters reports that AOL has launched a new version of its Music Now subscription service. It's web-based, slick, performs well (fast page loads and downloads), and contains over 2.5M songs, 'thousands of videos' and subscribers complete browsing history. This launch seems to be in line with AOL's 'tearing themselves a new asshole that would shame goatse' strategy."

  12. AOL's music service by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    AOL Music Now Launches Music Service!: noone cares

    AOL Music Now Relaunches Music Service!: noone cares still

    BTW I really enjoy their pink "only works in US" creeping bar.

    It's about time music is sold from a single retailer worldwide, online. It's not that we have a local Britney Spears to translate and resing the songs, so what's with that non-sense? Only shows how desperately out of tune with the world the recording/movie industry is.

    1. Re:AOL's music service by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

      It's about time music is sold from a single retailer worldwide, online.

      You mean like this one?

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    2. Re:AOL's music service by javachip · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you do not realize that there are many country specific flavors of amazon. AFAIK, it's because of issues like the above. Perhaps someone (significantly) more in the know than myself could shed a little more light on this.

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  13. Only in the U.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    In bold red text at the top of the page: "At this time, AOL Music Now is only available for use within the United States."

    What a nice thing to see the first time I visit.

  14. Not in a million years... by Wee · · Score: 1
    ...would I give AOL my credit card information. I don't want to be marketed at, and I believe that having my private info stolen/sold/released/shared would be a near certainty should AOL have access to any of it. I mean, that's even if I did want DRM-hobbled music for a "compatible player" I don't (and likely never will) own.

    I think I'll stream from home, thanks. Because when I get back home from work I won't have to worry about whether or not music I own can play on my audiotron, any of my linux boxes, my ipod, etc. And, as an added bonus, not only will my credit card info will remain (at least a little) more secure, I will also have less junk mail piled up on my doorstep when I get there.

    Nice try, but unless it's offering plain old MP3s that I can play when, where and how I want, the service is completely useless to me.

    -B

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  15. DRM1 Music, or DRM2 Music? Still no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pay per song, no DRM, then I am in that market.

    If I have to choose between DRM Music, and Ad Music, I would choose Ad Music.
    Because DRM music is little better than random bits in Linux.

  16. Check out AOL's wrongdoing by applix7 · · Score: 1

    The gods demand that you view what AOL has done wrong! Well, anyway it will be interesting. http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/malfy.html

  17. Fails4Sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps all these new music stores/revamps should adopt Microsoft's new trademark

    1. Re:Fails4Sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that's a good meme !

  18. The content by RareButSeriousSideEf · · Score: 1

    Since this is AOL-branded, I suppose it'll basically be stocked with 2.5 million versions of entries from Britney Spears' & Jessica Simpson's discography.

  19. Cripes! by Kabuthunk · · Score: 1

    Cripes, first there's an article on how 'good' some AOL commercials are, and now this. What, is it 'advertise AOL' week?

    Strangely, my 'confirmation' word to type at the bottom of this is 'promote'...

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    1. Re:Cripes! by Kabuthunk · · Score: 1

      Whoops, my bad. Those were MAC commercials that were advertised, not aol.

      Ah well... it still must be 'advertise stuff' week.

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    2. Re:Cripes! by Rebelgecko · · Score: 1

      You must be new here, every week is advertise week.

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  20. Bad encoding. No thanks. by Eq+7-2521 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't know how this is possible, but the encodings sound *worse* than XM streams. It's WMA, so of course it's going to sound bad at any bitrate below about 150kbps, but the clips I listened to were around 32. Why do they even bother?

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  21. You have new DRM! by crvtec · · Score: 1

    You have new DRM! I can't wait to see the log of user searches, coupled with music downloads... (7457865865) search string: cheating wife (7457865865) song: "eminem - kim"

  22. Winamp can use AOL Music Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Winamp can be used to get AOL Music Now.

  23. AOL's service agreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Music Now Terms of Service

    Welcome to Music Now (the "Service"), which is provided by Music Now and its affiliates (collectively, "we" or "us"). The following terms constitute a binding agreement between you and us that govern your use of the Service ("Terms of Service").

    Please review these terms carefully. BY USING THE SERVICE OR BY MAKING PURCHASES FROM THE SERVICE, YOU SIGNIFY YOUR AGREEMENT TO THESE TERMS OF SERVICE. Your agreement to these terms means that you consent to our privacy policy, you agree to transact with us electronically, and you consent that any dispute that you have with us must be resolved in Virginia. Do not sign up or use the Service if you do not agree to these terms.

    1. CHANGES TO THESE TERMS. We may modify these Terms of Service at any time. We will provide at least thirty (30) days' notice before any material changes take effect. If you disagree with the changes to this Agreement, you must cancel your Service before the modifications take effect. Your ongoing use of the Service after the changes take effect signifies your agreement to the new terms.

    2. THE SERVICE. This Service offers you the ability to buy, play and download digital songs, video and other content ("Entertainment Content"). The level of features offered by the Service will depend on the plan and price packages selected by you. You can find a description of the available Service packages, as such packages may exist and change from time to time, by going to the "Customer Support" area on the Service. You understand and agree that the Service will work only with compatible personal computers and devices. Please visit the "Customer Support" area on the Service for the most current information on compatible devices. Each package will be subject to additional terms that apply to you. These terms may include rules on the number of personal computers that you may use for the Service or the number of times or length of time that you can copy Entertainment Content on a disk or portable device. You agree that the terms in the package selected by you supplement these Terms of Service. Unless you are on a special commitment plan, you may upgrade, downgrade or cancel your Service at any time. The Service is for your personal use only. You may not use the Service for commercial purposes. You may not use the Service in a way that violates the law, these Terms of Service, our property rights or the property rights of others, including our vendors, the recording companies or recording artists. We may add, discontinue, or change any feature of the Service at any time.

    3. PURCHASED DOWNLOADS. "Purchased Downloads" are files of Entertainment Content that you have purchased and can download to and store on the hard drive of your computer. Purchased Downloads may be played as often as you like on the same personal computer to which they are downloaded, may be copied onto a disk and may be transferred to other compatible digital devices, all in conformance with the rules applicable to each Purchased Download when it is purchased. Downloads may be purchased individually, collectively as albums, or, in some cases, only in the form of an album or other bundled programming. Each Purchased Download is final and nonrefundable at the time you make your purchase, even if you do not download your Purchased Downloads. Your ability to download any Purchased Download will expire ninety (90) days after you make your purchase. Because the companies that provide the Entertainment Content to us may have different rules concerning how their content may be used, your ability to transfer or make copies ("burns") of Purchased Downloads may vary, depending on the rights that the respective companies' controlling rights in the Purchased Downloads have granted to us. Presently, Purchased Downloads may be transferred only to compatible portable digital devices supporting the Windows Media Digital Rights Management (DRM) platform. Please go to the "Customer Support"

  24. Re:Bad encoding. No thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The same reason they use anything AOL.

  25. Apple Tax by meehawl · · Score: 1

    1) It's still pay-to-play (you stop paying, songs stop playing)
    2) Won't play on 78% of the players in circulation (i.e. iPods)


    You know all those shiny Apple DRM-crippled AAC files you paid for? Stop paying for iPods and eventually they'll "stop playing" for you portably.

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    1. Re:Apple Tax by DreadfulGrape · · Score: 1

      Well, that's a moot point in my case because I don't buy music from iTunes. I rip MP3's from my own CDs at 256K (yes, it's a 60 GB iPod). I've tried 3 or 4 different players and I still prefer the iPod.

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    2. Re:Apple Tax by JimDaGeek · · Score: 2, Informative
      Stop paying for iPods and eventually they'll "stop playing" for you portably.
      No they won't because you _own_ that copy. You are allowed to burn an audio CD and from there you can convert to whatever the new audio codec is to work on whatever device you want.

      I don't personally buy any music with DRM so I am not saying Apple's method is "better". I am just stating that with Apple and iTMS you actually own your copy and you don't have to pay an MS-Tax/AOL-Tax/Napster-Tax/Etc to continue to listen to your purchased audio.
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    3. Re:Apple Tax by meehawl · · Score: 1

      You're not allowed to copy them. You're allowed to back them up, which is your statutory right anyway. Read your licence - you licence the original file for playback on Apple-authorised devices, and you can make archival backups.

      You do not own the song. Can you sell it? Can you bequeath it to your heirs? It is not property. You own nothing.

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    4. Re:Apple Tax by JimDaGeek · · Score: 1
      You're not allowed to copy them. You're allowed to back them up...
      Exactly how do you backup without making a copy? You are allowed to copy a copyrighted work for _personal_ fair use. Copyright laws prohibit _distribution_. Have you ever heard of anyone being sued for downloading a copyrighted work? No. All of the cases have been because someone has distributed that copyrighted work without permission.
      You do not own the song. Can you sell it?
      While you do not own the _copyright_ to the song, you do own your copy. Yes you can sell it. Have you never been to a used CD store?
      Can you bequeath it to your heirs?
      Yes, you can give a copyrighted work that you do not own the copyright to, to an heir. If you owned an expensive painting that is still under copyright you cannot duplicate that work, however you can certainly sell it if it has value or you can leave it to an heir.
      It is not property. You own nothing.
      It is not property? Hmm, you might want to tell that to all the copyright owners who claim "Intellectual Property" rights. With music you do own that _one_ copy that you purchased and you are allowed to sell that _one_ copy. If you buy two copies, you can sell two copies, etc.
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  26. New AOL search data released by wizzahd · · Score: 5, Funny

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    (8936521) how to fuck a horse

  27. garden/wall transcendence by imthesponge · · Score: 1

    "This launch seems to be in line with AOL's 'tearing down the wall around the garden' strategy."

    Right in line with their "think outside the box" and "make the pie higher" strategies.

  28. Lifetime access to music by LRBenson · · Score: 1

    Just like the AOL account I had a few years ago that was free for the first 90 days. Tried canceling the service after 45 and they still got 15 bucks out of me by the time I was finally able to get them to cancel the account. IMHO, AOL's "recent" track record with badware, giving out search results etc.. etc.. is nothing new. Their business model is not about their customers it's about the buck and there is no way I will ever give them another one. I will give them credit for being one of the pioneers of the Internets growth and being one of the first access portals for the masses, other than that they should have stayed in the 80's/90's which is how many millions of dollars they are going to milk out of the poor netziens out there.

  29. Still doesn't have anything non-mainstream by AaronLawrence · · Score: 1

    I tried my usual searches for a couple of slightly obscure bands (e-type, sonata arctica) and got no results. Same as every other commercial service. This is what I mostly used P2P for, to find songs that were impossible to find commercially in my country, so this service is fairly useless to me - same as the others.

    ALso, the site seems to have collapsed now - nice first impression guys, fail under load on your relaunch day.

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  30. Winamp is the only one that can... by wenzi · · Score: 1

    Winamp can do some damage to iTunes. IF AOL markets it wisely, IF the make the interface as easy as iTunes, IF they make their music store as easy as iTunes, IF they can get their service to work with 70% of the music players out there, then yes, then can hurt iTunes.

    But if AOL was so compenent, they would not be near bankruptcy would they?

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  31. And that is better to "own" my music how? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Honestly, what advantage do one gets compared to buying physical media or even iTunes stuff.

    Or stuff in non DRMed music shops (http://www.emusic.com)

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    1. Re:And that is better to "own" my music how? by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

      Or stuff in non DRMed music shops (http://www.emusic.com)

      Mainstream music, that the sort of people who would be using AOL Music Now would buy?

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  32. Don;t be dense. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Recorded music has a track record in which the buyer gets the right to play as many times, whenever he wants, the music he has bought.

    All the stuff you are mentioning is not analogous to recorded music.

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  33. In correct by amichalo · · Score: 1

    ...it is the fault of APPLE which REFUSES to license FairPlay to anyone.

    Apple licensed Fairplay to Motorola who currently sells two versions of their phones, the ROKR and popular RAZR, with iTunes playback capability.

    What is the difference between Apple "refusing" to license Fiarplay at a low price and 3rd parties (except for motorola) refusing to meet Apple's price for Fiarplay?

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  34. Read TFA before you call me dense by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    What I mentioned is exactly the business model of this AOL service, regardless of the track record.

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  35. Your Understanding Is Weak by meehawl · · Score: 1

    Yes you can sell it. Have you never been to a used CD store?

    Manufactured CDs are pressed by companies that have purchased mechanical reproduction rights to recordings. The physical object so licenced can be re-sold as property. However, the recording contained on it does not have any subsequent transferrable mechanical reproduction rights. You cannot legally sell your own copies of such-licenced CDs. What you would be selling are what are known as unauthorised copies, or bootlegs. Any copies you make of Apple's licenced downloads translated into any other media and try to sell are similarly unauthorised.

    Don't believe me? Why not make yourself a shiny CD of some of those Apple tracks and go try and sell it to a used CD store. They will laugh you right out of the joint.

    Similarly, you could make a CD of pay-per-month M$ "Janus" downloads and go try and sell it. You will get the same response. The similarity of response from vendors concerning your ability to resell the "backups" of these licenced downloads should tell you something about what it is you actually "own".

    You betray a fundamental misunderstanding of what Apple is licencing to you. You are not buying transferrable property, you are paying for a licence. The key difference is that M$ offers two main licencing schemes: pay-per-download (similar to Apple's) and pay-per-month. Apple does not currently offer a similar technology to offer pay-per-month download licences for its FairPlay DRM system.

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    1. Re:Your Understanding Is Weak by JimDaGeek · · Score: 1
      You should educate yourself on the law and not the propaganda that the media companies want you to believe.

      First-sale doctrine
      The first-sale doctrine is limitation upon copyright recognized by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1908 and subsequently codified in the US Copyright Act, section 109, as a limitation to which all copyrights are subject. The doctrine of first sale allows the purchaser to transfer (i.e. sell or give away) a particular, lawfully made copy of the protected work without permission once it has been obtained. That means the distribution rights of a copyright holder end on that particular copy once the copy is sold. Originally (back in 1909), the codification applied to copies that had been sold (hence the "first sale doctrine"), but in the 1976 Act it was made to apply to any "owner" of a lawfully made copy or phonorecord regardless whether it was first sold. So, for example, if the copyright owner licenses someone to make a copy (such as by downloading), then that copy (meaning the tangible medium of expression onto which it was copied under license, be it a hard drive or removable storage medium) may lawfully be sold, lent, traded or given away.


      You betray a fundamental misunderstanding of what Apple is licencing to you. You are not buying transferrable property, you are paying for a licence.
      Apple is not licensing anything to me. The copyright owner is and Apple is just being the medium to facilitate that transaction. What Apple says has no weight on what copyright nor the first-sale doctrine grants. We are still a nation of laws, no matter what big corps my try to make you believe about copyright and/or "IP".
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  36. Wikipedia Is Not A Lawyer by meehawl · · Score: 1
    if the copyright owner licenses someone to make a copy

    In the case of iTunes, the copyright owner has not licenced you to make a mechanical reproduction, or copy. With Apple's backup, there is no licensing of mechanical reproduction. That is why it is a backup, and does not enjoy first sale rights.

    Your backup of Apple DRM-crippled files is not "a particular, lawfully made copy of the protected work". But hey, if you think otherwise, why not make a few and go around selling them? After all, why bother paying serious mechanical reproduction rights if you can just licence such a thing from Apple for $1?

    You might first want to check Apple's specific disclaimer concerning your rights of re-sale in the iTunes ToS:
    Any burning (if applicable) or exporting capabilities are solely an accommodation to you and shall not constitute a grant or waiver (or other limitation or implication) of any rights of the copyright owners in any audio or video content, sound recording, underlying musical composition, or artwork embodied in any Product.


    You can argue that where first sale applies (specifically the US, and not most other WIPO treay countries), you have a right to re-sell the hard drive upon which the original download resides. In that case, you're obligated to destroy all your "backups" and derivatives of the files, or to transfer them to the new owner. However, Apple's ToS specifically mitigates against this kind of licence transfer. iTunes is very specific in stating, over and over, that you are not buyig products, but licencing a service. You will notice that the full title of iTunes is in fact the "iTunes Music Store SERVICE".

    In EU countries, which do not use the concept of "first sale" but instead rely on the expansive "rights exhaustion" (mainly because of the union of anglo-saxon and roman law), you're on firmer ground in terms of re-selling that hard disk with the downloads. But that's why Apple has beenrunning into more difficulties with EU countries insisting that the iPod ecosystem be more open and less monopolistic.
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