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Breaking Gender Cliques at Work?

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the be-nice-gentlemen dept.

An anonymous reader asks: "No-one likes finding themselves being the 'odd one out' of a clique, and gender barriers make them harder to break. The question is simple: what can a girl in IT do when she finds herself on the outside of those cliques of boy coworkers? Or inversely, what should groups of boys at work be doing to be more welcoming for that lone girl in the IT office?"

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  1. Re:Hahaha... by OcalaSportsman · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I aggree who would think it, but wait 6 months and when she has been late for work 3 out 5 days every week, and disappears for hours during the day and you go to disipline her it will come out that it just is because you we they wanted her and did not get her that she is being punished. In a good organization the truth will surface, but a weak HR and the guys are doomed.....

  2. Re:From the Female Perspective - It's Pretty Easy by Mistshadow2k4 · · Score: 1, Flamebait
    My biggest complaint with my female co-workers has been a total unwillingness to put in any overtime, work on any extra projects, etc. The usual excuse always has something to do with their kids - picking them up, taking them to practice, etc. Seriously, is it going to kill your husband if he has to be the one to take Suzie to band practice one night out of how many months? Since they don't really carry their share, they are seen as second string contributors by most of my male colleagues. I have to admit that in many ways I seem them in the same light.

    And it hasn't occured to you that this shows you how most men are? I've dealt with female coworkers too who had that problem -- their husbands didn't want to do shit they didn't absolutely have to, foisting everything on their wives. The difference is, being female myself, I was able to get close enough to know that they were usually telling the truth. And the sad fact is, if your husband is like that, about the only solution is divorce. And then she doesn't have time for anything else either becuse she's a single mom. You obviously don't have kids yourself, or don't help out much with them if you do, since you've made it blindingly clear that you don't know what it's like.

    Frankly, a lot of the women I work with really make me angry because they give the rest of us a bad name. They want all the gravy, but they don't want to pay the dues to get it.

    Riiiiight. You're having problems with women at work -- not just one woman -- and it's all their fault. Frankly, I think that's a bit suspicious. Maybe if you didn't expect them to just say "piss off" to their children to do what you want they wouldn't think you're a jerk. Men in your department never take off for family problems? What's your attitude towards them when that happens? Have you considered the idea that they're doing to their wives exactly what the women who work with you say their husbands are doing to them, putting everything on them? But it's okay for your male coworkers to put everything on their wives, but it's not okay for your female coworkers to have everything put on them by their husbands? Nice double standard there.

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  3. Re:Hahaha... by SueAnnSueAnn · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    That sexual harassment training was put into place for Good Reason. Men are still brought up to be sexist, with an attitude of superiority.

  4. Re:lawyer by multipartmixed · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    > My old department has gone from an all-engineer department
    > to about half male, half female

    Did you just imply that females cannot be engineers?

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