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Sun Cancels UltraSPARC IIIi+

Doctor Memory writes "El Reg is reporting that Sun has finally come clean and admitted that they have killed the UltraSPARC IIIi+ chip. According to John Fowler, Sun's server chief, 'We canceled it last fiscal year to focus on the ramp (up) of UltraSPARC IV+, Niagara and Niagara 2.' Sun has had great success with its new Niagara line, and with it's line of AMD-based systems."

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  1. UltraSPARC IV is the replacement for UltraSPARCIII by IYagami · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think that Sun UltraSPARC IV can replace UltraSPARC III smoothly (they share the same socket, Sun can provide help doing this, c...) According to: http://www.sun.com/processors/UltraSPARC-IV/index. xml "Executing on Sun's Throughput Computing strategy, the dual-thread UltraSPARC IV processor marks the first milestone in Sun's Chip Multithreading (CMT) roadmap (...) It protects customers' investments through 100 percent application binary compatibility, and can provide an upgrade path for current UltraSPARC III processor-based systems " It's like replacing an Athlon Socket AM2 Single Core with a Dual Core (I think...)

  2. who cares() by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

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  3. Of course they've been having great success.... by Chineseyes · · Score: 5, Funny

    Spammers having been letting me know about Niagara for years

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    1. Re:Of course they've been having great success.... by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 3, Funny

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  4. We looked at the name by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Funny

    "And thought, damn, nobody's going to buy that, people aren't stupid. Everyone knows that IIIi+ is almost 4, it has to be 3.8 at least so we just decided to rename it 4. Sorry... IV... IV+... Would another plus be overkill do you think?" said a Sun spokesman.

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  5. Re:UltraSPARC IV is the replacement for UltraSPARC by bofkentucky · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except the smallest USIV box they make is the 490, 4RU and non-hs power supplies. Get me a 240 replacement with a USIV and I'll be all over it. Or better yet figure out how to add HS dual power and the USIV to the 210.

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  6. Ho Hum by gentimjs · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is anyone surprised? USIV and T1 are by far Suns big cash cows. While I'm typing this at an USIIIi powered workstation, and would love a simple upgrade, I cant say that this upsets me in the least. I'd far rather Sun's R&D go into thier higher-end stuff than entry-level stuff, since it will push the current "high end" crap down to the level that us mere mortals will be able to get it! :-D

    1. Re:Ho Hum by P+Fayers · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The concentration of R&D on the high end and then deriving a cheap version of the chip is what has been causing Sun trouble for a while. Intel tried the same thing with Itanium and it didn't work for them either.

      Sun's current method, introduce the low end chip - Niagara - first and then build up to the high end stuff (the Rock CPU) seems to be a much better idea. Produce the high volume stuff first and use the revenue from that to produce the high end, high margin stuff.

    2. Re:Ho Hum by Nutria · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'd far rather Sun's R&D go into thier higher-end stuff than entry-level stuff, since it will push the current "high end"...

      Are they even going to have more than a token low-end HS anymore, or relegate the low-end to AMD64, with overlap in the middle?

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    3. Re:Ho Hum by Konster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but Intel has a long history of chips besides the Itanic that have done well with the top down method of development (marketing).

      Xeon anyone? Don't laser cut a few pins needed for SMP functionality, sell the same CPU as being better, therefore, then profit.

      Opteron? Oo...how is an Opteron very much different than a regular A64...really?

      All CPU makers have a marketing department that had sold the same bit under different names for different amounts of cash, with varying bits of cache and power management features and blah blah. Opterons come off the creamy spot on a wafer, regular A64s off the dregs on that same wafer...maybe with less cache or a lower clock or what have you.

      Sun's problem isn't with manufacturing. It's problem is with the market. No one wants their slow yet very expensive CPU's, and no amount of (top down, bottom up) marketing will change that. There was a day when a Sparc CPU was a good thing. Now, it's just another thing in a sea of things that are a lot cheaper and no less fast than a Sparc.

  7. What the i Stands For by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Funny

    I guess we know what the "i" stands for in UltraSpark IIIi. It's for imaginary. Like in math.

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    1. Re:What the i Stands For by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, i'm not thinking of j, I said i, like in math. Not j, like in electrical engineering. Because i was already used for current. Which doesn't make it any easier, becuas when many people write i and j, they don't look that much different. Even in this monospace font that i'm typing in right now (which will turn into arail after I post), they don't look that different.

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  8. Re:Check out Sun's wrongdoing by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know, that's the second time I've seen that website, and I'm still not impressed.

    Class action lawsuit due to patent infringement of Kodak's patents, related Java.
    There was a patent lawsuit. I don't know where you get "class action" part from. Sun also settled and licensed the technology immediately after the judge decided they were infringing. So you proved... how responsible Sun is?

    Sun has done some questionable things, but those aren't it.

  9. SUN by hummdinger02 · · Score: 2

    Run Windows on an AMD based SUN box and I bet Hell has frozen over! At least that is what I would have thought 10 years ago!

  10. Re:UltraSPARC IV is the replacement for UltraSPARC by IYagami · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm afraid you're right (and I'm wrong).

    According to
    http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v240/specs.xml
    or
    http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v210/specs.xml
    There are no processor upgrades avalaible to the Sun V240 or Sun V210 Server. I suppose that the upgrade is only avalaible to the Big Iron Systems.

  11. Re:UltraSPARC IV is the replacement for UltraSPARC by eclectus · · Score: 2, Informative

    uh, the V490 does have hotswap power supplies. As a matter of fact, all servers that sun makes that have dual power supplies are hotswappable.

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  12. Office Space by Double+Mint+Len · · Score: 3, Informative

    In August of 2004, I was in Sillicon Valley, and I visited the Sun headquarters.

    It was quite possibly the most disorganized, un-coordinated place on earth. If Disney World was run by a single quadrapalegic, I think it would still be more effecient.

    We took a tour, and the guide honestly said that the only really interesting thing they had going on, was that they could bring their dogs to work....uh thanks man. really technologically advanced

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  13. Re:Questionable is spelled "sun4m" by Sun. by sethstorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sun has done some questionable things, but those aren't it.
    Their handling of sun4m and hardware thereof in not-so OpenSolaris 10 seems to be a bit (more?) questionable given that there was a workable, buildable version of it- and I doubt svn goes back 3-4+ years to s10_22. It'd at least be better to have them put it back in, along with all the hardware eol'ed along the way(and fully documented). Then Sun can just close the book on that platform for good once there is something of a "reference build" that works as well as the rest (versus something that was crippled out of spite - dtrace is forgiven here, and I'd think you could dig up s10_22, and enough of else was dropped to get about any sun4m class system running, bmc).

    Anything much earlier than sun4c/d/m seems to not have much of an installbase, or mass amounts of documentation missing on critical points of hardware(console, network, storage). Ironic that for now that Sun *doesnt* want you to have your hardware and software match, even when there is a perfect opportunity to do it.

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  14. Re:UltraSPARC IV is the replacement for UltraSPARC by illumin8 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Except the smallest USIV box they make is the 490, 4RU and non-hs power supplies. Get me a 240 replacement with a USIV and I'll be all over it. Or better yet figure out how to add HS dual power and the USIV to the 210.
    This is FUD plain and simple. The V490 was based on the V480 and both of these products have had HS power supplies since their release. The 440 came out later which has decent processor speed but a little less memory bandwidth than the full-fledged V490.

    From this page:

    RAS features include hot-pluggable disk drives; redundant, hot-swappable power supplies; environmental monitoring and fault detection; automatic failover capability; and error correction and parity checking for improved data integrity.
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  15. Re:UltraSPARC IV is the replacement for UltraSPARC by htd2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not quite, the V210 and X2100, the X2200 and the T1000 do not have dual hot swapable PSU's.

    They are all 1U boxes and most 1U boxes don't have dual hot pluggable PSU's.

  16. Re:Why Does Sun Make Their Own Chips? by joe_bruin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The UltraSPARC T1 has an 8-core CPU out on the market today, with 4-thread hyperthreading. Ie, 32-threads at one time on a single CPU. It does this at 72 Watts. Intel and AMD are only talking about quad-core CPUs for next year.

  17. Re:UltraSPARC IV is the replacement for UltraSPARC by setantae · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well the V210 doesn't have dual power supplies, so you are in direct agreement with the post you replied to, which said: "As a matter of fact, all servers that sun makes that have dual power supplies are hotswappable."