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Intel to Lay Off Thousands

symbolset writes to say that "Intel is expecting to lay off 10% of their workforce in a move to become more competitive against rival AMD. From the article: 'The Santa Clara, Calif.-based chipmaker, having suffered several financially disappointing quarters, launched an internal analysis in April to find ways to increase its efficiency. [CEO Paul] Otellini is scheduled to announce the results of the analysis, including the layoff, on Tuesday after the stock market closes, sources familiar with the plans said. Intel has about 100,000 employees worldwide, so the cut could be as high as 10 percent of the company's staff.' Coverage also at The Register, internetnews.com, and more as it develops at Google News. Reuters has the number at up to 16,000."

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  1. Hopefully not by email by mgblst · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think Intel has more class than some other companies.

    But this is still a huge number of people to get rid off. Don't they do these sort of checks all the time, on a department basis. This sound more like a simple reaction to we can't do anything better, so we will fire people. A bad solution to a problem if you ask me.

    1. Re:Hopefully not by email by sjwaste · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A bad solution to a problem if you ask me.

      Close, but not quite. When they had less competition, they probably just threw people at problems their current staff couldn't solve. Now that there's competition, they have to cut back. The simple reaction you talk about was probably needlessly throwing people at problems in the past.

    2. Re:Hopefully not by email by hiroller · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It seems like a knee-jerk reaction to me. They're losing money and they don't want to scare off the investors. Easiest way to do that is to reduce the money flowing out of the company which usually means layoffs. Less salaries gives the appearance of more profit margins

      Everytime, I hear of layoffs though I always think of Office Space

      Peter Gibbons: You're gonna lay off Samir and Michael?
      Bob Slydell: Oh yeah, we're bring in some entry-level graduates, farm some work out to Singapore, that's the usual deal.
      Bob Porter: Standard operating procedure.
      Peter Gibbons: Do they know this yet?
      Bob Slydell: No. No, of course not. We find it's always better to fire people on a Friday. Studies have statistically shown that there's less chance of an incident if you do it at the end of the week.
      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/quotes
    3. Re:Hopefully not by email by RetlawST · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've never been a fan of mass layoffs, but we don't know how long this has been in the making. Hopefully Intel has audited well and doesn't end up severing it's own foot in order to escape from the trap. I feel bad for the employees, but layoffs are going to happen at a large company when things start going south. Hopefully Intel is classy and gives them enough time to find new jobs/promise to rehire if things get better.

    4. Re:Hopefully not by email by Guppy06 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I think Intel has more class than some other companies."

      "ZOMG! The socket 7 chip on the motherboard isn't GenuineIntel! Don't let it POST!"

      That little bit of Intel "class" is why I've gone AMD-only to begin with.

    5. Re:Hopefully not by email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      i worked there in 2002 as an intern and they did a 4000-person layoff. I remember people were getting 4 months severance pay or something like that. Sounded like a good deal to me.

    6. Re:Hopefully not by email by Richard+Steiner · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They've had competition of a serious nature for several years now at least. That (by itself) doesn't seem to justify the layoffs.

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    7. Re:Hopefully not by email by rcamera · · Score: 2, Insightful

      this guy, against all historical data, claims that intel is losing money. and for this, he is modded insightful. look at the earnings history for the past 4 quarters and tell me if they're really losing money. i will agree that they're making less on a year-to-year basis, but they are still far from losing.

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    8. Re:Hopefully not by email by Jahz · · Score: 4, Interesting
      They've had competition of a serious nature for several years now at least. That (by itself) doesn't seem to justify the layoffs.

      Of course not, but who said that was the only reason? Intel may have had competition from AMD for a while, but Intel are just now starting to take that seriously. Intel hung on to the P4 - against a constant AMD barrage - for a really long time. But in the past year AMD has beaten Intel to the affordable 64-bit chips, affordable dual-core chips, affordable enterprise-class server chips (opteron), and affordable preformance chips (overclockers, gamers).

      I will admit that the last 4 computers I have built for myself wore a sticker that read "AMD Inside." Most recently, in Feb of this year, I constructed a PC that ran a dual core AMD Opteron processor (165). On the first boot I cranked the core speed from 1.8ghz to 2.5ghz and its been running smoothly ever since. Thats a great chip, and it only cost $2xx USD, whereas the equivalent P4 at the time was near 850-1000 USD.

      I will also say that I am extremely pleased with Intel lately. The archetecture of the "Core" line of processors is really cool. They are fast, dual-core, and low power. To me, this symbolizes the first REAL response to AMD by Intel.

      I have spoken to people who worked as engineers at Intel. Some of the projects were really cool, but most never made it out of the labratory. Intel is an R&D firm... they do great research. I hope the layoffs don't really affect that part of the company.
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    9. Re:Hopefully not by email by eggoeater · · Score: 2, Insightful
      i worked there in 2002 as an intern and they did a 4000-person layoff. I remember people were getting 4 months severance pay or something like that. Sounded like a good deal to me.

      I would have thought it was a great deal too when I was in College: "Hey, you no longer have to work and here's twenty thousand dollars." Woohoo!!! Lets party!

      Unfortunatly, once you graduate college it becomes a much more difficult situation. A middle aged engineer (and his/her family) can become quickly accustomed to that kind of money. House mortgage, spouse, 2.5 kids, etc., can quickly burn up 4 months pay.
      And if you have a kid in college you might as well declare bankruptcy and tell the kid to start applying for financial aid, grants, and scholarships.

      I think it's great that a company would give a severance at all, but from the employees' point of view, it's much more favorable to keep your job.

    10. Re:Hopefully not by email by timeOday · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I could understand suddenly firing 10% of the workforce if there were some unforeseen dramatic event that hurt business overnight, such as airlines after 911. But Intel has been in a very gradual decline for a number of years. If they had acted sooner but more gradually, they might have been able to downsize through natural attrition (retirements and people who quit), rather than a sudden painful cut.

    11. Re:Hopefully not by email by GreyPoopon · · Score: 2, Interesting
      this guy, against all historical data, claims that intel is losing money.
      That depends on your definition of losing. If they fail to capitalize on an opportunity for profits, that could be considered "losing". For my part, I feel that any company that goes through layoffs as a response to eroding market share is plotting a course towards either bankruptcy or being bought by a competitor.
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  2. They should start with the bunny suit guys by glomph · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That lame dancing by the clowns in the aluminised bunny suits will not be missed. Hooray for competition, this clearly signals the end of the monopoly. Hopefully this trend will continue to the desktop OS (or more properly, Program Loading Environment with a bunch of device drivers) market.

    1. Re:They should start with the bunny suit guys by SpecTheIntro · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Hooray for competition, this clearly signals the end of the monopoly.

      I beg your pardon? Intel is absolutely dominating AMD in the notebook market. It already had the vast majority in the desktop market, and with the release of the Core 2 Duo, it's only going to get worse. And on top of that, the new Xeons are better performers than the Opterons in every server test you can imagine. (Although Opteron scalability is still more efficient, thanks to the on-die memory controller.) The "monopoly" was shattered with the release of the AMD64; now Intel is trying to make sure that never happens again. AMD's certainly making it easy for them; they've been twiddling their thumbs (or have done a great job at acting like they have) for the past three years. Things are looking better than ever for Intel. And this job cut is only going to help.

    2. Re:They should start with the bunny suit guys by radtea · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Things are looking better than ever for Intel. And this job cut is only going to help.

      Why do you think that, given the well-known fact that companies that undergo significant layoffs underperform the market for the next few years?

      10% may be below the critical threshold where cuts do more harm than good, but not by much.

      "This job cut may help" would be a rational statement. "This cut is going to help" indicates an unjustified level of confidence in anyone's ability to predict the consequences of a complex action within an evolving market.

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    3. Re:They should start with the bunny suit guys by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not about performance. Read that again. In today's market, it's about the platform and the pricing as much as it is about the product. Core 2 is too expensive ($240 for a 2.13GHz Core 2). Most of the market doesn't care whether or not Intel's $250 CPU beats AMD's $250 CPU (as it turns out, the competition is remarkably close). It's not about Athlon X2 vs Core 2. It's about Sempron vs. Celeron.

      The end of the Intel monopoly hasn't happened yet. It didn't happen when Athlon 64 or Opteron was released. It didn't happen when AMD got major OEM support from HP, Sun, and IBM.

      It's going to happen this October for one reason: Dell. Dell is going to start shipping AMD desktops and laptops. If I were Intel, I'd be very, very worried. AMD has never had such widespread market acceptance.

      AMD's certainly making it easy for them; they've been twiddling their thumbs (or have done a great job at acting like they have) for the past three years.

      One could say the same thing about Intel. From the release of Athlon 64 to the release of Core 2, nothing that Intel has released for desktop computers has even been close to the AMD equivolent. AMD has been idle for the past three years (if by "idle", you mean only releasing Turion 64, Athlon 64 X2, DDR2 support, SSE3, 64-bit Semprons, and a whole mess of other features) because they are focused on eliminating the manufacturing gap with Intel. Fab 36 and Chartered are the reasons that AMD got Dell as a customer.

  3. Intel will beat down AMD by IntelliAdmin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think Intel is going to make a comeback and crush AMD. Here is why I think that: Imagine a world where Apple is pushing more boxes then Dell and all of them have an Intel Chip inside. They are only hurting right now because of the tiff they had with MS over their new 64 bit design. Developers did not like it since it had a totally different instruction set. With all the trouble with their new chips MS decided to put their full force behind AMD, and Intel suffered. It is too bad that such a large number of people are going to be out of work now :(


    I am sure the top echelon of Intel will take massive pay cuts also...yea right...they will get multimillion bonuses for firing so many people.


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    1. Re:Intel will beat down AMD by raehl · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, maybe all those qualified engineers will go on to find jobs that are more productive, and build better things for society.

      Unfortunately, successful companies have a bad habit of hiring people to do new projects 'because they can'. The money is there to hire more people, so, they hire more people. The more successful the company is, the less scrutiny is applied to how likely the new proect is t result in actual new revenue for the company.

      After enough of this, the company finds itself burdened with a lot of labor working on things that are not really relevant o the company's main business, which negatively impacts the company's performance, and ultimately forces a layoff.

      It would be better, of course, if sucessful companies could avoid the temptation in the first place and give that money to shareholders.

    2. Re:Intel will beat down AMD by Ubergrendle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What are you smoking -- I'd like some!

      First off, Apple has between 5-6% of the total PC base in the world right now. They have a loooong way to come even close to matching ONE of IBM (Lenovo), HP, or Dell. Intel made a nice marketing coup with lining up Apple, but its no panacea of profit.

      Two, yes Intel goofed on the 64 instruction set. But WinXp runs on Athlon and Pentiums, and there's very little real 64 bit computing taking place on corporate desktops even today. Intel needed to make cheaper, faster, more efficient processors -- something they've finally done with the dual-core. Both server and desktop segements will do benefit from the latest designs.

      Strikes me now that Intel finally has a decent product in the marketplace again, they're cutting back on R&D since they're 'in the game' once again. When you're behind, you have to spend money to catch up. Allowing AMD to beat them for so long on price and performance had to be galling to a company the size of Intel -- someone was asleep at the switch.

      I love competition, I think Intel is in for some good times now, but I doubt they'll ever be as dominant as they were in the early 90s ever again. AMD has their work cut out for them, but getting where they are today was MUCH harder than what they're facing now.

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    3. Re:Intel will beat down AMD by Dan+Ost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, anti-trust only kicks in if monopoly power is abused.

      Anti-trust will not kick in simply because someone owns a large chunk of
      the market.

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    4. Re:Intel will beat down AMD by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny
      Well, maybe all those qualified engineers will go on to find jobs that are more productive, and build better things for society.

      Um, here's the relevant quote from TFA:

      The job cut is likely to weigh particularly heavily on marketing staff. Intel studies comparing its own staffing levels to competitors' concluded that the ratio of marketing personnel to salespeople was too large, the sources said.

      Marketing staff are a necessary evil. They are super important when there's not really much difference between your product and your competitors' (Pepsi vs. Coke, GM vs. Ford, Coors vs. Aquafina, etc.), but they are less important when there is. With the buzz about the Core2Duo chips, the sales staff doesn't need as much razzle dazzle from the marketers, so they're cutting that staff.

      They'll probably tell the excess marketing staffers some story about a giant space goat, and put them on a spaceship, along with the telephone sanitizers.
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  4. Don't start with the little guys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Middle management is a great waste of skin. Plus they often take a fairly large salary while not generating revenue or a product.

    1. Re:Don't start with the little guys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wow, did you um, perhaps, oh I dunno...RTFA before posting? In the article it says that Intel has already cut down about 1,000 management positions, and most of the positions that are going now are marketing positions. Not necessarily "the little guy".....

  5. Friendly tip from a competitor by tomstdenis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. Get with direct link interconnects, FSB is teh stupid
    2. Stop making a new core every other Tuesday, m'kay?
    3. 4MB of cache is nice, but it has to be hella expensive right? [*]
    4. Merge with Nvidia, totally mess up the PC scene, it'll be fun :-)

    [*] Don't look at the retail cost for the true margins they make [if any] on the cores. Selling at a loss or near loss is not a new tactic.

    Tom

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    1. Re:Friendly tip from a competitor by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah that's why it would be fun. I think we need more vendor-lockin nowadays. If we can't beat them join em.

      And yeah, it is nice that Intel is more pro-OSS... /me looks to employer, how about we support OSS? /me takes that back, wants to keep job.

      Tom

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    2. Re:Friendly tip from a competitor by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, they "should" use that. Doesn't mean they will.

      Chances are they'll do one of two things

      1. Roll out their own CPU interconnect with a bridge to HTX
      2. Roll out their own HT but call it ZippyDataTransit or say Lightning Data Transport [hehehe chuckle, *] and claim it's 1.97x faster than AMDs

      Tom

      [*] Bonus points for anyone who can tell me why the latter name suggestion is funny.

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  6. Do it back to them. by neo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Quit Your Job Day, Sept 18th.

    The goal of Quit Your Job Day is to reverse the advantage perpetuated by an elitist class who profit from your actions without making any personal investment in you as an individual. If you don't know who profits from your hard work, I assure you that they care very little about you. You are just a line on a spreadsheet and if cutting your salary would make the column balance, you're fired.

    http://www.quityourjobday.com/

    1. Re:Do it back to them. by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's why there are Unions. And, as typcially happens, the Union becomes exactly what the employee hated about management - a political, bottom line driven organization used to forcefully extract concessions from the opposite side. They're just working for you instead of the other side now.

      It all comes back to monkeyspace. Big corporations exceed it, and need a kick in the pants (or regulations) to return balance. That's one reason why many small businesses are not regulated, and why many don't need it (oh sure, some do...some really do) - the 50 employee limit is within a standard human monkeyspace.

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  7. Word is... by whiskeyriver · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...Intel's re-hired the Blue Man Group to perform at the goodbye party.

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  8. This is hardly news. by Plammox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They have been laying or selling off in their telecom chip business since June.

    1. Re:This is hardly news. by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I lived in Portland (just after the turn of the century), Intel was one of the few stable tech companies out there. Toshiba, Hitachi and IBM all closed their fabs in the area, and most of the "silicon forest" was left to wither. I was unemployed for the first time in my life, and it lasted for six months before I picked up a short-term gig at Nike. If you heard the phrase "I work at Intel", you knew that within ten seconds someone would say "Is your group hiring?" or "Here's my resume!"

      I'm just surprised that Intel could weather that storm and then shed so many workers now. I guess the competition's more fierce than many people realize.

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  9. Is this how companies compete now? by Trollificus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Back in my day, we remained competitive by building a superior product at an affordable price, up-hill both ways!

    /get off my lawn

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  10. Not knee jerk by cryfreedomlove · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This probably is not the simplistic knee jerk reaction that you describe. I'm sure that any of us could identify a lot of redundancy or simple non-performance in any organization of 100,000 people. If you were running an organization with redundancy and dead wood and you were faced with competition from AMD then what would you do?

  11. This is old news to people at Intel by blueZ3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a neighbor who works at the Intel office here in the Silicon Valley and she's known for quite a while that these were in the works. IIRC, she was talking about this back in April or May.

    One thing that I've always thought about company layoff planning is that there's a difficult choice to be made over when to notify employees that a layoff is in the works. Too little notice and people feel like they're being dumped without warning, too much and you have a long period of tension and a lot of people slacking off because they know that they're headed for the unemployment line.

    When I worked for a division of a major company that was planning layoffs, we all knew in June that the offices in California were going to be closed by the end of the year, and offical notice came in October. The company did something that I considered a stand-up thing: they told us who was going (in October) and gave us official permission for the rest of the year to look for work using company resources. It was cool for them to give us that much notice (though because of the slow market at the time, it was hard to find work even with such a long lead time). However, a lot of employees (including ones who really were supposed to be doing something else) spent the time building houses of cards out of their company business cards, driving remote-controlled cars around the cubes, and generally goofing off.

    Again, it was a cool thing for the company to do (and I am aware that there are financial incentives for getting your employees hired off before closing an office--but I don't think those offset the cost of paying them salary for three months) but I can see that there are employers who couldn't afford to do that.

    Here's hoping all the folks getting pink slips at Intel can find something else to do as quickly as they'd like.

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  12. More competitive? by jb_nizet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't see why laying off people would make them more competitive against AMD. Sure, their HR department will have less work afterwards, but they're not the ones who will make Intel more competitive.
    This is just to make the actions go up and make the investors richer, but it won't make them more competitive to AMD, and more attractive to customers.
    My compassion will to the laid off employees, and my money will go to AMD when I'll buy a new chip.

    1. Re:More competitive? by jank1887 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      10,000 employees, estimate $100,000 per year total expenses per employee = 1 Billion dollars per year saved. If you can minimize the negative impact of that cut on your budget (i.e., drop money sucking programs, keep production/sales at a status quo, etc.) then you have increased your yearly net profit. Profit = competition resource. More competition resources at your disosal = more competitive.

      If needed and done right, it's the way capitalism is supposed to work. If it's just a wall-street ploy and actually hurts other areas of their bottom line, well, poo on them.

  13. Deff by Wellington+Grey · · Score: 3, Funny

    1 in 10? Why, they'll be decimated!

    -Grey

  14. killed off the alpha group by wiz_kid_99 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Back in '00 or '01 Intel bought the DEC Alpha group that was a step in the right direction. But from reading the INQ it seems that most of their projects were canceled and by now most of the top Alpha architects have quit.

  15. Re:Ah, yes...the old chestnut by GalacticCmdr · · Score: 2, Informative
    By this logic, wouldn't firing *everyone* make you the most productive?

    Every company has dead weight - larger companies have more dead weight. I would hazzard a guess that large companies actually have a higher percentage of dead weight because a non-productive person can hide easier within the system. In a smaller company the dead weight is more easily noticed.

    The key is to identify the dead weight and jettison then every so often. Intel has such a back-log of getting rid of dead weight they need a major laxative to clear their tubes. The difficulty is to not lose the good with the bad (no baby, yes bathwater) - thus they need to watch out for teacher's pet syndrome (ass-kissing dead weight is kept).

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  16. Well that worked well didn't it? by MancDiceman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So let me get this right: the plan was to wait until after the stock market closed Tuesday, then announce, so people don't run around dumping stock like headless chickens?

    And The Reg, Reuters and Slashdot have got it now?

    I love it when a plan comes toge... oh. Ah. Well, errrmmm.... if you work for Intel, have a GREAT weekend, and if you own shares, well, you've only got some 20+ hours trading to go before the announcement, so take your time...

    1. Re:Well that worked well didn't it? by rcamera · · Score: 2, Insightful

      why would people dump stock because of a layoff announcment? typically, this is seen as a way to spend less, which increases earnings per share. eps is what drives stock prices, not headcount. (fyi: intel is up ~0.9 - 1.0% on the day)

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    2. Re:Well that worked well didn't it? by uarch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This rumor has been out there for over a month. There was even a reference to it on ./ when they posted they story about Intel laying off 1000 managers. Everyone expects further cuts but until they actually tell the employees what's happening these posts are just rehashing the same old rumors.

      I was a little surprised it made it onto ./ today but then I remembered this was ./ - land of the double posts.

  17. Re:Your days are gone, sir. by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >> The days of producing quality, reliable, affordable consumer goods are over.

    Yeah. My pre-globalization, 1958 Edsel has far superior quality, reliability, and affordability compared to my post-globalization 2006 Honda Civic.

  18. WTF? by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 2, Funny
    the biggest losses will be in marketing
    Because when a company's losing market share, it's obviously because they're doing too much marketing...
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  19. Re:Brilliant... by Coward+the+Anonymous · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I doubt they will be laying off much if any of their chip design talent. This is probably managerial and administrative staff throughout the company (general IT, accounting, call centers, etc...) People who can't really provide a comptetive advantage to another chip maker and most like don't even have non-compete agreements.

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  20. Re:Wonderful by protohiro1 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Very good question, especially considering that the American consumer is a prime driver in the world economy. Here is the new plan for the US economy:
    1. Consumers like cheap stuff
    2. Outsource manufacturing, cut wages across the board, sell stuff for cheaper.
    3. Workers make less and want(need) even cheaper stuff
    4. Go to step 2
    5. Profit!

    Special bonus question: Will step 5 ever execute?

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  21. offshoring by escay · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This maybe purely hearsay but i've heard that some of the ppl being laid off were given an option of relocating to an offshore intel group (india/malaysia/israel) where the remuneration in US$ is much less - this way they get to keep the people in, and cut back on the budget as well. the wonders(curse?) of globalization!

  22. Re: your hot jobs for the next 50 years by rubycodez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the answer is, healthcare, biology, nanotech, security and disaster recovery, alternative energy and energy storage, mass transit, ubiquitous networking and communication, hedge funds, supply chain and distribution logistics, and probably not a few other fields I missed.

  23. Re:Intel's lose is another's gain? by robertjw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure they're not going to fire they're really good workers

    Actually, that may not be a good assumption. Often in engineering industries the more experienced workers are the first to be laid off. A company can hire two or three bright-eyed bushy tailed college grads for the price of one engineer with 20 years experience.

  24. The other boot hitting the floor by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think Intel has more class than some other companies.

    Despite your optimism, I was spot on with my prediction.

    Many other companies in the past, including one I worked for, begin by slashing managers. Then they consolidate operations under a new management structure and then the big cut happens as the attempt to eliminate "redundant" operations and employees. This is a tricky thing to do because sometimes they cut out keystone employees which are their real foundation and founder a bit. Expect another round in about a year, after Intel senior management have reviewed how things are going.

    The disruption will mean Intel will struggle with overcoming internal reshuffling, which is to AMD's advantage.

    On a more cynical note, It's worth remembering that a shrinking company is more profitable, in the short term. Ever notice how stock initially goes up when these moves are made?

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  25. Re:Wonderful by demigod · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Special bonus question: Will step 5 ever execute?


    You've got the algorithm wrong. This one is none standard.

    1. Consumers like cheap stuff
    2. Outsource manufacturing, cut wages across the board.
    3. Sell stuff a little cheaper, pocket the difference.
    4. Profit!
    5. Workers make less and want(need) even cheaper stuff
    6. Go to step 2

    The bonus question should be: When does this unsustainable model collapse?

    Just how long can the rich get richer and still sell stuff the poor who are getting poorer?

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    Major Major
  26. Intel: formerly great, now the US Steel of Tech by gnetwerker · · Score: 3, Insightful
    This is, as others have observed, long overdue. When Intel could maintain a dominant market share, and thus pricing power over its competition (primarily AMD), it could afford to be (or try to be) a broad-based technology company: i.e. one that invested heavily in new technologies and speculative businesses that were not necessarily on a direct path to their primary (semiconductor) products. The largest (and most wasteful) of these investments happened during Craig Barrett's regime as CEO, and it was these that were most desperate and ill-advised. These included Intel's $500m+ investment in trying to be a hosting service, its attempts to be a low-cost end-user peripheral maker, a toy manufacturer, a maker of LCoS-TV chips, and numerous other misbegotten adventures far from its core competence.

    What Intel is at heart, and will be for some time, is the world's best high-volume manufacturer of semiconductors, something that requires a far, far lower load of white-collar workers than being a broad-ranging technology company. Intel will continue to be a great producer of an important product, but only in the sense that (e.g.) US Steel was once a great producer of an important product. Intel is on the path to irrelevance as a technology force. This is why its P/E is 17x and not, for example, Google's 55x or even Microsoft's 21x. Look for it to trend upward in the short-term, but in the longer term settle toward US Steel's 8x.

    Also note that recent management changes have elevated Sean Maloney into an heir-apparent position. This signals the fin de siecle, completing the transition from an engineer/scientist leader (Andy Grove) through a manufacturing guru (Barrett), to a bean-counter (Otellini), ending with a salesman (Maloney). How the mighty have fallen.

  27. Just fire one: CEO Paul Otellini. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Link to your prediction, instead of just the story: Only the First Shoe to Drop.

    That Slashdot story linked to a Forbes story about Intel laying off 1000 managerial positions. That was an admission that Intel has been badly managed in the past. Otherwise, how could they have 1,000 managers they don't need?

    They don't need to fire thousands. They need to fire Intel CEO Paul Otellini. He has made Intel more adversarial toward its employees, and therefore less efficient. Intel employees spend a good part of their time and energy defending themselves rather than working.

    Intel CEO Paul Otellini is AMD's most productive single employee, by far.

  28. Pile of Crap. by raehl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Disclaimer: I am an actual engineer.

    Middle-management is essential to getting my job done. I don't want to have to negotiate with the tool vendors on price or licenses. I don't want to have to evaluate how well people are performing. I don't want to have to find, interview, and hire new employees. I don't want to do the department budget, set the schedule, fight to get materials on time from vendors, etc, etc. And, most importantly, I don't want to have to explain what I'm doing to upper management.

    Now, some managers are definitely useless, but so are some engineers. That's not a job-level problem, that's a people problem.

  29. Intel marketing: Major disgusting joke. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Intel marketing is an example of Intel's unbelievably, extremely, amazingly bad management. The major problem is not to get rid of the time wasters in Intel marketing, the major problem is to get rid of the top management that let Intel marketing become the joke that it is.

    Intel's board is obviously incompetent, and obviously not paying attention. The board let the stupidity happen.

    Intel marketing is so disgusting that it is difficult to find words that are negative enough. Here is an example that paraphrases an actual Intel marketing email: "Jump through hoops and get an Intel BunnyPeople(TM) doll." Yes, hmmm, hmmm, ahem, Intel did lots of high-level research and analysis and determined that the people who make decisions about processors and motherboards also collect dolls! So, giving away dolls is an effective marketing tool! NOT!

    Don't worry about the fact that the Intel web site is a mess, Intel markets processors with deliberate product confusion (What's an Intel 531 processor?), and Intel marketing people are the most dedicated work avoiders I've ever known.

    Someone should step forward and say this about the Intel board of directors and CEO, and it might as well be me: Craig R. Barrett, Paul S. Otellini, Ambassador Charlene Barshefsky, E. John P. Brown, D. James Guzy, Reed E. Hundt, James D. Plummer, David S. Pottruck, Jane E. Shaw, John L. Thornton, David B. Yoffie, you are incompetent! You let Intel marketing become the waste of time and resources that it is!

    Here a few of the qualifications of the board of directors, according to the Intel web site:

    CEO Paul S. Otellini: Has an MBA. Can someone with no technical training run a high-technology company? No need to understand what you "manage", right?

    Ambassador Charlene Barshefsky: On the board of directors of Estee Lauder, a company that manufactures makeup and therefore encourages women to live in a fantasy world. Maybe she has influenced Intel marketing to live in its fantasy world. "She is also a member of the Board of Directors of the Council on Foreign Relations", it says, and we all know the quality of the U.S. government's foreign relations.

    Dr. Jane E. Shaw: Experienced in running pharmaceutical companies. Would such a person notice if a high-tech company's marketing is a joke? No.

    David B. Yoffie: Professor of business administration. Would such a person notice if a high-tech company's marketing is a joke? Uhhh, what's a processor?

    E. John P. Browne: Helps run BP, formerly British Petroleum. The company is apparently part of the reason for the Iraq war. The idea, apparently, was to invade the country with the second-highest proven reserves of oil in the world, and restrict the production so that the price of oil would go up. This also benefited Dick Cheney and George W. Bush, whose friends and family and business associates are heavily invested in oil and weapons. See the free Google video, Robert Newman's History of Oil. The U.S. taxpayer pays and pays and pays.

    Reed E. Hundt: A lawyer.

    David S. Pottruck: Knows the stock market. "In July of 2004, Mr. Pottruck resigned after a 20-year career having served as President, Chief Executive Officer and a member of the Board of the Charles Schwab Corporation." Does that prepare him to understand the needs of a very, very high-tech company?

    Boards of directors usually do not have enough education, time, or interest in the companies they "direct" to do a good job. The entire board of director system is out of control. But Intel's board of directors is especially inappropriate.